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Filling Team Needs

Sometimes the question you ask leads to an unexpected answer. In my efforts to suss out the status of LWB Jared Karkas and LW Mike Fucito I made an unexpected discovery. Now some readers may have known this already, but the Sounders have a Senior Roster spot available.

Why is this an unknown? Because the MLS website and Sounders FC website have different statuses listed for each player currently on roster. To make it more confusing the MLSPA lists salaries that can not be accurate for some of the players' statuses as listed at MLSnet.com. This can lead speculation as to how to fill team needs to wonder in ways that waste effort.

But again, Seattle has a Senior slot available, though it could be used on a Developmental Player as well. Also of importance in figuring out who could be added are the number of International Slots that the team is using, which by my count is between 6 and the max 8 (there are at least two players that may be Green Card holders). This means that Sounders FC is not limited to the nationality they look at though they may need to trade for a slot, if they are truly at eight internationals.

To quote General Manager Adrian Hanauer as relates to the July window, and the ability to trade for talent in MLS.

We are always looking to improve our team and there is a chance that we will be active in the July window.

You see, other clubs are already starting to trade talent

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(Oduro to Houston for Super Draft picks) and in other cases shopping talent (RSL shopping defense for offense or San Jose shopping Bobby Convey). With significant talent available as Free Transfers, or with in the league's trading system.

Let's look three deep and see what kind of players the Sounders should look at, because my math has them somewhere between 150-350k as available under the cap. Yes that would be enough for a second DP if they acquire the slot.

    My depth rankings

in parenthesis are the averages in league matches from Prost Amerika's Player Ratings

Target Forward - Nate Jaqua (6.7), Roger Levesque (5), Jarrod Smith (NR)
Center Forward - Fredy Montero (6.31), Sebastien Le Toux (6.6), Freddie Ljungberg (7.21)
Left Mid - Steve Zakuani (6.6), Le Toux, Kevin Forrest (NR)
Attacking Mid - Ljungberg, Brad Evans (6.72), Steven King (5)
Defensive Mid - Osvaldo Alonso (7.28), Evans, Peter Vagenas (5)
Right Mid - Evans, Le Toux, Nyassi
Left Back - Zach Scott (6.57), Nate Sturgis (5.83), Patrick Ianni (6)
Center Back (x2) - Jhon Kennedy Hurtado (6.6), Tyrone Marshall (6.95), Taylor Graham (NR), Ianni, Wahl, Sturgis
Right Back - James Riley (6.94), Wahl, Evan Brown (NR)
Keeper - Kasey Keller (6.67), Chris Eylander (5), Ben Dragovan(8)

Now with the ability to add a fairly pricey player, it is likely that they could add a starter pretty much anywhere but at the attacking mid or keeper. With the number 5 offense and number 3 defense in the league, one could also argue that they don't need to add talent, but the injuries are racking up, Graham just joined Eylander and Smith on the IR.

Here is a partial list of Free Transfers within the MLS pricing structure. From last transfer window, here are some pricier talents, but with likely bigger payoffs on the table.

So as I head back to work, I ask, in light of the depth questions that the Sounders have answered with Draws (4 points in last 4 league matches) what type of player should Sounders FC add to win the league?

Freddy Adu? Would the sacrifice to rise in the allocation order be worth getting the enigmatic youth?

As for Karkas and Fucito? Here is what Hanauer left me with concerning their status.

We are in contact with Fucito and Karkas, but are not going to comment on when and if they will return to the team. We also have a local player named Lamar Neagle training with the team. And we will continually bring in other players, on trial.

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Considering that SSFC has an open slot and Fucito and Karkas are not on the roster, I don’t think that they appear to be in the teams long range plans.

However, I never followed MLS before this year. I understand that SSFC still holds the rights to both. If Karkas for example, had been added to the roster and subsequently in July, the team added a player (let’s say an international free agent) and needed to free up a roster slot and released Karkas, would Seattle still hold his rights?

If not, that could be the reason that neither are on the roster.

by Coug1990 on May 27, 2009 4:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I say we get Roberto Carlos and clone a younger version of him. He’d have everything we need: a fast wingback with a good free kick.

Also, let’s get a pony.

Seriously though, a player in the Roberto Carlos mold would be perfect for us.

by CarlosT on May 27, 2009 5:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Coug, the rights are only held until they are signed. A release would set them free. But both were/are finishing up school – Fucito at Harvard, Karkas at Azusa Pacific. Both players joined the team during their last spring break even. I will have more about Jared Karkas this week, as I caught up with him.

Carlos, I love the Roberto Carlos idea, well except for his price. Adu fits your mold for a kick taker by the way. Any interest in him for the RW? That would improve depth at Forward as well.

With the IR there are between 1 and 3 slots available, though some of those will disappear as Eylander, Graham and J.Smith get healthy.

by Dave Clark on May 27, 2009 5:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Dave. I think then, the major reason that they haven’t been signed it to keep the teams options open. I don’t think either is ready to play this year. By not signing them, they are to borrow a college term, “redshirting” them. They will probably challenge for spots on next seasons teams.

by Coug1990 on May 27, 2009 6:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Fucito would have been a top 20 pick if he hadn’t had the hammy issue, then again, he gets a degree from Harvard on June 4th. Would you pass that up for an MLS minimum?

But either of these guys provides deep cover, which while Seattle could use, isn’t going to push them to make a run for the 2009 triple.

by Dave Clark on May 27, 2009 6:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I don’t like the idea of paying big bucks for Roberto Carlos; I like the idea of signing a very fast left back with a killer free kick. Roberto Carlos himself probably wouldn’t be value for money.

I have to confess I don’t know enough about Adu’s play to really have an opinion one way or the other. If he’s really a clear cut upgrade in the free kick department, then it might be worth taking him. As you know, I really think free kicks are our biggest need right now. If we have someone who can consistently put the ball on frame from 30 yards in then the current game plan for playing us goes straight to hell. The top teams in MLS have good goalkeepers, but giving a team a bunch of free shots on goal is really testing your luck. For example, if we had a truly exceptional free kick taker, then I think we come out of the Chivas game with at least a point, if not three.

As for RW, if I’m understanding you correctly, he’d replace Seba, who would rotate in at forward? I like the idea of Seba playing forward, so anything that helps that to happen would be a good thing.

by CarlosT on May 27, 2009 7:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Adu could play a withdrawn forward, rightwing (not mid, basically a rightsided Zakuani) or center attacking mid. His kick on setpieces is potent.

While it would likely push Seba to the bench it would mean that the depth at forward and mid gets stronger.

by Dave Clark on May 27, 2009 7:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That sounds good to me. While I think he’s starter quality, I think Seba could be our Super Sub and could imagine him coming on for Jaqua or Montero in the second half to run tired defenses to death. That could be huge in helping us either kill games off, or rally back if we’re down.

by CarlosT on May 27, 2009 7:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The Man Who Takes Every Free Kick as a Penalty

What do you think the price on Juninho would be? According to Wikipedia, he has requested to become a free agent.

by Mark on May 27, 2009 11:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Here’s the link again, since somehow the comment engine mangled it:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-ldeStp0-xGg/the_man_who_takes_freekick_as_penalty_kick/

by Mark on May 27, 2009 11:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ah, Juninho Pernambucano. Now, there’s a dream signing for any team.

I think his price would be very, very high. His skills aren’t exactly a secret and there are a lot of teams who would pay a lot of money to sign the best free kick taker in the world. He’s a huge insurance policy against rough play. Foul too much and you could be watching the ball sail into your goal, even from over forty yards away. If I remember correctly, Juninho’s longest goal from a free kick was from 52.5 yards away. That’s just mind-blowing.

Signing him might not be an impossibility, but it would be extremely difficult, and in no way realistic. First we’d have to somehow acquire a second DP slot, because there’s no way that we’d get him for a regular MLS salary. We have almost enough room for a second DP, but we might have to juggle some things around. Then we’d need to somehow convince him to play for us when he could play pretty much anywhere in the world. I think Paul Allen would have to write a very large check.

Having said all that, if he somehow managed to sign Juninho Pernambucano, then I think I would need to start a new religion to worship Adrian Hanauer. The man would have proved beyond a doubt he’s a god.

by CarlosT on May 28, 2009 1:17 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow, to say I didnt just wet my pants thinking of Adu playing for the Sounders would be an out right lie. Freddy Adu is phenomenal! If anyone hasnt seen this guy play yet, just look on youtube for him working every national team hes played against. Do you think a signing like this is even being looked at? Or is it just a nice thought? If it’s possible, sign me up! This guy would add so much to our attacking presence, he would surely be a fan favorite! Ok ok, (inhale, exhale) I’m done.

by Phil on May 28, 2009 2:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Letting myself get a little optimistic here, it seems like Juninho could be possible (even if very unlikely). Assuming that the high end of Dave’s numbers are right and we have ~350k available under the cap, we’re only 75k away from the 415k hit that a designated player makes against the salary cap.

I don’t know what’s involved in trading for a DP spot, but if we were able to get one, it seems like a high DP salary amount over the 415k would be possible, since the only real limit would be on available cash. With its attendance, Seattle must be pulling in a lot of money — I’ve heard we’re projected to be profitable already this year.
I’d think this means it’d be possible to get up towards 10M for a DP. (I could be very wrong.)

Juninho is 34 now, so he’s unlikely to be picked up by anyone in La Liga or the EPL. He’s said himself he’s likely to go to Vasco da Gama in Brazil, Qatar, or maybe Japan.

http://www.imscouting.com/global_news_item.aspx?id=1663

What are the salaries like for big players in those leagues?

I was able to find out that Juninho’s 2008 contract was worth €4.56m, which I think comes out to about 6 million USD.

http://lyon.theoffside.com/player-news-and-rumors/top-50-football-player-salaries-in-the-world.html

So, not likely, but, pretty possible?

It’d make for an incredible addition in playoffs! That’d be exciting.

by on May 28, 2009 3:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually, I didn’t realize that a 2nd DP only counts 335,000 against the salary cap… and I heard elsewhere Seattle was rumored to be looking for a 2nd DP spot.

Seems like a 2nd DP could be quite realistic.

by Mark on May 28, 2009 3:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I am not 100% on this, but I thought I remember reading before the season that a 1st DP counts as $400,000 against the cap and a 2nd DP slot counts as $250,000 against the cap. Perhaps Dave can ask his contacts at SSFC.

by Coug1990 on May 28, 2009 3:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designated_Player_Rule

That says 1st counts $415,000; 2nd $335,000

by Mark on May 28, 2009 4:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

A second half of season DP may count for only half that value (Beckham’s loaner reduced the cap hit).

It would take a trade with one of the teams that has no DP though in order to get the slot.

by Dave Clark on May 28, 2009 4:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The big question would be who could we talk into a deal? Here’s the list of DPless clubs (in current league position order):

Chivas USA
Toronto FC
Colorado
Kansas City
Houston
Real Salt Lake
New England
FC Dallas
San Jose

No one with serious playoff aspirations would agree to give us a second DP slot: they could be completely screwing themselves over in the playoffs if we acquired a player like Juninho. That means you could probably scratch off everybody above New England for sure. That leaves New England, FC Dallas, and San Jose. I think New England is still iffy because I don’t know if they’d throw in the towel early.

That leeaves Dallas or San Jose as the most realistic targets for a trade for their DP slot, but then what do we give them? I’d love to say Vagenas, but that’s not going to happen. I’m not familiar enough with what those teams need to know what we have that they might want.

by CarlosT on May 28, 2009 8:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Chivas and Salt Lake both have already dealt their DP slots already.

by Dave Clark on May 28, 2009 8:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ah, well. Doesn’t change the picture too much for us, since I don’t think either of those teams would have dealt to us in any case.

I’ll say it again though: if Adrian somehow managed to sign Juninho, I’d start a cult.

by CarlosT on May 28, 2009 9:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I had a quick moment and wanted to include that data since I knew it off hand. There have only been a few deals involving DPs. I will get the full list of those trades later today.

by Dave Clark on May 29, 2009 6:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fresh post up on the value of the DP, as it just kept on growing.

Juninho plays a CM primarily in a 4-3-3, but has featured on the Right and Left as well. The wide mids in a 4-3-3 generally have greater defensive duties than in the 4-1-3-2, but I haven’t watched Lyon at all, so I don’t know if they are running like TFC with the 433 as a 4-2-1-3.

I’m guessing that he would slot in as either the CAM forcing Ljungberg to the RW, or as the Right Mid serving to Jaqua, et al. This would put two adapt crossers on the right side, furthering the one armed status of Sounders FC, and in either case would put Brad Evans in a sub/depth role playing CDM, CAM, RM, LM and likely putting Le Toux as the bench forward, which may increase his productivity anyway.

One could almost call this man a Brazilian Beckham.

by Dave Clark on May 30, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dave,

I might be missing something, but I don’t see your count. Both sites give us 24 players and four development players. Can you explain where we have an extra senior roster spot?

by TL on May 31, 2009 2:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

TL, SoundersFC does not list Evan Brown as a Developmental, at least did not when I asked Adrian Hanauer what they were going to do with the Developmental spot. I probably should have taken a screen shot at the time.

Hanauer sent me via Email. It isn’t MY count. It is his statement to me that says that they have at least one Senior spot open.

by Dave Clark on May 31, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Dave, for the clarification. Very exciting, because I believe we are lacking a true finisher. Montero is going to be, but is still figuring out the way. I think Ljundberg is a fantastic player, but he is a playmaker. He needs a complimentary player to work his magic. It definitely does not matter how famous the player is, as long as he is either a true finisher, or maybe even a set piece master. I remember reading that the Sounders are the only team in MLS to utilize a sort of computerized form of scouting, through a European company. This company is used by teams, such as Valencia and more. I believe that Hanauer and the Owners, are serious about taking things to another level. If we truly have an open spot and have, or can make enough wiggle room in the cap. I am confident that we will see someone who comands alot of money and will be a huge addition to the team in July. Please, keep posting topics like this and please continue updating us on this particular topic. Best in-depth site around.

by TL on May 31, 2009 4:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually, call Beckham the English Juninho. Juninho has played for Lyon since 2001/02. In that time he’s made 344 appearances and scored 100 goals, for a goals per game of 0.29. Beckham played in 326 matches and scored 61, for a gpg of 0.19. That’s around 9 goals in 30 games for Juninho and 6 for Beckham. Add in the fact that Juninho’s scored from beyond 40 meters three times, from 41 meters in 2006, 45 meters in 2007, and 48 meters in 2008. Notice that the trend is getting longer, so he’s probably due for a 50 meter free kick this year. Also note that those numbers are meters, in yards it’s 44.854, 49.23, and 52.512. Since Qwest’s field is 110 yards long, that’s the equivalent of scoring a free kick from almost the halfway line. And note that these are free kicks, where the keeper has all the time in the world to set himself and his defense. Given all that, if I have to pick one, I’d pick Juninho every time.

Now, the question is, is it at all possible to sign him? Our set piece problems would pretty much instantly disappear if we had Juninho and the current strategy for playing the Sounders would instantly become suicide. Dave can probably tell us how many fouls we’ve suffered within 35 yards of the goal. Now imagine converting 20% or more of those free kicks into goals.

by CarlosT on Jun 1, 2009 1:32 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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