Sounders Release List of Players Protected in the Upcoming Expansion Draft
Jose Romero Reports
List of players:
Alonso, Osvaldo
Evans, Brad
Gonzalez, Leo
Hurtado, Jhon Kennedy
Ianni, Patrick
Jaqua, Nate
Keller, Kasey
Ljungberg, Freddie
Marshall, Tyrone
Montero, Fredy
Zakuani, Steve
Interesting that Riley was left off the list.There seems to be some disagreement among Sounders fans on how effective Riley has been as a defender. Perhaps the team thought he indeed had significant weaknesses. If the Union selects him, who replaces him? Scott, Sturgis, Brown, or Wahl? A new addition?
Le Toux of course was also unselected. He has a relatively high salary (over 100K) so I don't see the Union selecting him.
'm glad they protected Ianni, I think he will be a worthy successor once Marshall retires.
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Interesting list
Most of it seems in line with what most people predicted, but not including Riley is a real curveball to me. I get that they trust Marshall to perform, and that after spending a draft pick on Ianni (and considering the importance of the centerback position) they wanted to keep him, but I’m not sure if this is the best way to do it. I guess I just find it hard to believe Marshall would have been picked up at his age.
The gamble on Le Toux also doesn’t sit well, but hopefully you’re right about the salary point.
Also, why on earth do DP spots need to be protected? I get that the league wants there to be a decent talent pool for the teams to pick from, but it seems to me that those stars should probably stay with the team that have signed them.
by J Sep on Nov 23, 2009 4:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Just a guess
Perhaps it’s to avoid giving unfair advantage to teams which use the DP slots. Otherwise some teams could basically save their starting 11 and either their most promising prospect or their biggest spark off the bench.
by johnnycougar on Nov 23, 2009 5:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ljunberg's no-trade clause is the reason apparently
According to this post DP players don’t have to be protected unless they have no-trade clauses, which makes sense.
by J Sep on Nov 24, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that's what I thought too...
but it appears that the wording “Designated Players do not have to be protected unless the player has a no trade clause in which case he must be protected” is the origin of confusion. “not have to be protected” means the DP doesn’t have to be protected—like Chicago is not protecting Blanco—but the DP is then available to be selected. I believe the confusion is a lot of us assumed otherwise.
by PeterJH on Nov 24, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have added this to the FrontPage
Partially because I wanted to use the feature, but also because this story can’t be buried.
Obviously there were some interesting choices to be made. One of them featured on Freddie Ljungberg, who it seems by rule had to be protected, though many had thought that he would not. For me, if Adrian could protect 11 + Ljungberg Riley and Ianni are both protected. Another thing happened along the way, in that Steve Zakuani graduated from the Generation Adidas tag, so of course you want to protect him. If he hadn’t the Sounders would have been at 13 protected and one of Seb Le Toux and Pete Vagenas would have been guarded.
I didn’t get to Ianni yet in the recap series, he and Pete were next, but uber-quick. He’s fast for centerback, can enter the offense, plays CB, CDM and either LB or RB. He’s also young and appropriately valued in this league. If he hadn’t been protected he would be gone.
For me, the real surprise is that Marshall was protected. Because with his age, his contract valuation (yes, renogiations happen in frequently) he just wouldn’t be a wise pick for an expansion side. Certainly he had a great year, but there were also some signs that he had a bit of a hot-head and could be prone to a mistake.
Riley has some of those same traits but as a younger player with greater upside and less cost. James had a career year in terms of Games Started and Assists. He also was tied with the team leader in Clean Sheets for an outfield player, and early in the season played two positions at the same time as Alonso, Evans and Ljungberg were all central.
As I said on twitter, here expanded, past history is not an indicator of the future. Just because James got picked the last two expansion drafts does not mean that he will be this time. Wade Barret, Mike Chabala, Frankie Hejduk, Jay Heaps, and more are players who could make sense as a pick to play right back.
One thing I know is that James Riley will embrace whichever city he is in next year. He got rave reviews from San Jose personel I talked with this weekend at the Supporters Summit, and he wore the Rave Green quite well in 2009.
I had always thought that Tyson Wahl or Stephen King would be the pick off of the Sounders, but with Riley available, if I’m the Union I pick James. Here’s to hoping that Sounders FC are one of the five that get passed over by Philly.
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by Sounder At Heart on Nov 23, 2009 10:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’m just afraid the Riley is gone because he is pretty inexpensive compared to a lot of the other good defenders not being protected. It definitely looks like teams are trying to maybe trim down their cap to bring in more players.
by fox3r on Nov 23, 2009 10:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Riley Issue
I would like to have seen maybe a switch by protecting Riley over Marshall. The main problems I see are that if Philly takes Riley, who knows who our right back is and that means we have to buy a new player most likely (I don’t think Wahl or someone else is as good). And we also need someone up front to put more chances away than Jaqua did, so that Jaqua will play on the wing or be the super sub back up. So that means we would have to buy two good players instead of just one.
And this doesn’t include gaining more depth in the roster. It will be really interesting come Wednesday.
by fox3r on Nov 23, 2009 10:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
While Ianni could probably play Right Back
He would not be the type that could enter the offense at any time. Certainly he wouldn’t be a right sided Zach Scott, but remember that James covered as much ground as any player on the squad.
I think Sigi likes that style of player, and only James can do it. While Brad Evans can fill in at the Right Back, I didn’t get the impression that he could do that for 25 matches next season. Though pushing Evans back would open up a slot for a CAM, rather than a CM. I still see that Attacking mid as the biggest need.
As for the idea that Jaqua didn’t turn enough of his shots into goals, he was only the best starting player at doing exactly that. Only Levesque was better amongst starters and rotationals. Nearly 20% of Jaqua’s shots wound up as a goal. Le Toux and Ljungberg were both at 10%, Zakuani at only 7%.
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by Sounder At Heart on Nov 23, 2009 10:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
My problem with Jaqua is his footwork
There are times when I think the guy is absolutely stellar (particularly any time after a player hits him in the head), but a lot of the time it seems that perfectly good balls die at his feet because he doesn’t have the foot skills in space.
Honestly, I’m sure my perception of that is probably not at all inline with the actual reality of his skills. And I believe you when you say he’s statistically been a good player for us. It’s just that every time I see him mishandle a ball my emotions take over, regardless of the fact that I know it’s just my confirmation bias talking, and I start wishing Sigi would start Le Toux instead.
by J Sep on Nov 23, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Jaqua
I guess it wasn’t his not turning enough shots into goals, but all the attackers not turning enough shots on goal and a lot of passing around in the box. I think we need someone up top who will not be afraid to shot (which it seems like some of our players are), but also to just cherry pick some goals in to the back of the net.
by fox3r on Nov 24, 2009 9:05 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Evans, hmm...
Evans is an interesting thought at right back. I’m not saying it’s easy to produce a Leo (it’s not), but I do believe it’s not hard to convert a midfielder who can defend into a solid outside back. But midfielders are a bit harder to develop, and take some time. If we think Evans has a future in our midfield we should think long and hard before turning him into a back.
by PeterJH on Nov 23, 2009 10:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
National Team Duty
You will note that Sigi and Bradley have both used Brad at the Right Back. Would you rather have a fringe National Team Right Back, or a decent Center Mid?
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by Sounder At Heart on Nov 24, 2009 9:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it depends
If we truly believe Brad will go further in his career on the backline, and Brad views this as an opportunity, then I say great! I think he’d end up being better than Riley and it’s a win-win.
by PeterJH on Nov 24, 2009 9:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and he ain't gone yet
And, like Dave says, Riley isn’t gone yet. Most Chicago supporters last year were convinced they lost Pappa to us. Their management obviously knew something their supporters didn’t when they didn’t protect him (they did protect Pappa this year, though).
by PeterJH on Nov 23, 2009 10:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
What if...
…Hurtado goes to Europe? And we don’t have Wahl under contract.
Thinking about things this way, protecting Marshall is now starting to make a lot more sense to me.
by PeterJH on Nov 24, 2009 1:53 AM PST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
And Adrian Doesn't Know
I hope that our FO would know if a player like Hurtado would be thinking about going to Europe. If Hurtado goes to Europe and we lose Riley in the draft, our defense will be in shambles. Sorry but as much as Ianni improved I don’t want him in the back the whole season, I don’t know if he can withstand a whole season.
by fox3r on Nov 24, 2009 9:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not following the logic here...
We have Evans, Scott and Sturgis who can all play outside back. Riley blends into the attack very well, but on the defensive side of the ball I think he’s more average. The more I think of it, the more I believe we’re a lot less threatened at right back than we are in the center of the backline.
Ianni is only 24, why couldn’t he withstand a whole season? I’m not sure I see the concern here, I suspect he’s ready.
Hurtado was on the all star team, he’s one of the best in the league. It wouldn’t at all surprise me if there’s interest in Europe. He came pretty close to being picked up by AC Milan before we picked him up.
Don’t get me wrong, I’d rather lose none of them. But I don’t think our back line is going to end up in shambles if the worst case scenario plays out.
by PeterJH on Nov 24, 2009 9:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Reviewing Last Year's Expansion Draft
It is important to note that only two guys taken in the Expansion Draft are on the protected list.
Nate Jaqua (3 CAPS)
Brad Evans (3 CAPS)
No other player the Sounders took in the expansion draft are protected this year. Only Vagenas and Riley were starters and rotationals. Only Wahl was use enough I saw him in my “Sub” category, though arguments could be made that King and Sturgis belong in that group.
If Philly think they are going to get more than half their Starting XI from the Draft they will take Riley, Wahl or Vagenas because those are all starting quality players in MLS. If they are going to follow Adrians model with aggressive use of international free transfers (Leo, Jhon, Fredy, Kasey, Freddie) than if they pick a Seattle player it would be a Nyassi or King to develop them for future depth.
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by Sounder At Heart on Nov 24, 2009 9:19 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Union is Confusing
Their team is hard to read since they really haven’t done anything yet, no signings nothing. We should just give them Parke and our draft picks.
by fox3r on Nov 24, 2009 9:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Forgot
And if they don’t want Parke we will tell them that the other players aren’t for trade :D
by fox3r on Nov 24, 2009 9:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oddly Parke isn't on the Available lists I have seen
I don’t know why
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by Sounder At Heart on Nov 24, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Only roster players are available for the expansion draft
At least that’s my understanding. So that’s why Parke wouldn’t be on any lists. I think Parke’s rights could be used in a trade, though.
by CarlosT on Nov 24, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder then
If Seattle might try to trade Parke’s rights in exchange for the Union not selecting a Seattle player. That way the Union still get to chose eleven players plus pick up a 12th in Parke.
by Coug1990 on Nov 24, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Parke's rights
I think Jeff Parke’s rights are huge. He is from Pennsylvania and a solid bulding peice for a new club. We could get alot of allocation money for him, if they are willing another DP. The question is whether the league will be allowing more after the CBA. I don’t think Riley will be taken. Even though guys like Hedjuk are more expensive, the Union know that the cap is going to go up and they need experience. Hedjuk is a no brainer. Still gets called to the National team. We might lose a player like Nyassi, because of his speed. All in all, I have a feeling that we won’t lose anyone.
by Camnehem on Nov 24, 2009 7:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
King
Let’s not forget about King. He was a solid starter for us early on until he got crowded out and (iirc) injured as well. I would hate to lose him as a young and hopefully up-and-coming center mid.
by brokejumper on Nov 25, 2009 7:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wait a minute
I don’t doubt that King may be an up-and-comer, but King was never the first string starter. Alonso and Evans were.
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