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Draft Profile: Dustin Corea - IF he signs a GA deal

With updates to Buzz' 2010 GA target list, particularly due to the news that there are a few official signings, I was hoping that the first player I had targeted for profile would be on the list. At this time, he is not. But what Dustin Corea is, is a player beyond his years.  One of only 6 players on the above linked target lists still in high school.  That's at about 15%, and while yes, High Schoolers may not have the best reputation in MLS to the Seattle mind (Nik Besagno comes to mind first), there have also been successes like Adu and Gaven.

So if MLS were to reach an agreement with Dustin "The Ghost" Corea what would that mean to the club drafting him? And where would he wind up drafted? Reading the story linked at 3rd Degree gives you a start on those answers, but hopefully the following interview with his high school coach helps you get a more complete picture.

Dave Clark: In reading the Clackamas Review story it seems that the Dustin has a tactical awareness of the game beyond his years. How has this developed?

Roberto Aguilar (Head Coach Milwaukie High): Dustin has developed his tactical awareness from being raised in a culture of soccer, from early development in LA through club, ODP & US National Team experience while in Oregon.  When I say, culture of soccer I mean this... if you walked into their home and only his mother was home she would be passionately watching a game on television on her own.  You can imagine how it would be when the whole family is present.  Also, remember, his father was a professional in El Salvador.  It's in their soul to watch and play every minute possible.  This early development was further improved with opportunities to play at a high level with his club (Eastside United FC Liverpool coach by Gavin Wilkinson), via ODP and with the US U17 National Team.

 

 

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DC: You also note his speed as compared to other players at the high school and college level, but that it is accompanied with good on-ball skills. Steve Zakuani was a great college player with similar skill sets and moved out wide for the pro-game here in the USA, would you expect a similar move for Dustin as he progresses?

Coach Aguilar: Yes I do.  His speed is quite amazing and his ability to challenge and beat players is even more so.  He has a great ability to score from any where on the field but he can also send high quality service.  Based on team personnel, I would say that he could play either upfront or wide.  When you consider the lack of depth on the US National team, wide left, I would certainly be looking to develop Dustin for that position.

DC: There are strong statements that would lead one to think that Dustin was a leader on the team, was it vocal leadership, or by example?

Coach Aguilar: Dustin is a team leader both vocally and through his action.  At our level he can physically change a game at any moment through his play.  He certainly is confident in communicating with his teammates.

DC: Have you and Dustin been talking to some of the MLS players that came out of the Oregon area about his next steps?

Coach Aguilar: I am one of few coaches with whom Dustin comes to for advice.  However, I have not been present when he has communicated with any of the players out there. Primarily, Dustin speaks to his U17 USMNT team members who have recently signed professional contracts in an attempt to replicate their success.  I have encouraged him to speak with local players such as Alex Nimo & Danny Mwanga (Oregon State) about their steps towards becoming professional.  We have also discussed meeting with some of the current Timbers.  We have had many discussions about potential agents.

* It should be noted that Carrick is reporting that Mwanga well not be signing a GA, and instead will be going on trial in France. Nimo was drafed 17th by RSL on a GA contract, and later loaned to the Timbers.

DC: Lastly, as a Coach, how will the Timbers and Sounders both being in MLS help you find more talented players in the future?

Coach Aguilar: I am very excited for the TIMBERS (I'm a fan but not part of the "army") and the Sounders to compete against each other in MLS.  Their MLS status will certainly encourage more players to aspire to become better players.  However, considering I only coach HS at this time, it will have no effect on my ability to "find more talented players" as I can only access players who live within my area.

I emailed for further clarification on the final question.

DC: I wanted to clarify the final question as I know some high school coaches have trouble convincing players to keep playing and that they tend to have the best athletes play the "premium" sports.

Coach Aguilar: Thank you for the clarification... this is one of those, what if Lebron James played soccer questions?  I am hopeful that soccer does become a "premium" sport and surpass both NHL & MLB.  I think this is possible ("handball" and bball will always be more popular).  Then we might be able to recruit those "superior" athlete to become soccer players.  So, yes, I believe we will be able to recruit players to continue playing soccer or switch to soccer because of the introduction of MLS teams in the Northwest.

What is notable is that despite the praise of Dustin as a player his coach also recognizes that he will not be able to simply walk onto a pro-roster and start, as he said the following as an introduction to his responses.

I certainly look forward to Dustin playing professionally.  It will happen.  I'm sure that he'll need to start on a reserve squad but he has all the skill and that special ability that so many wish that they had.

What does this all mean for a team drafting Dustin? They would need to be a team with some depth on the wings, who is not looking for 2010 help from the pick they use. I would suggest that a team that finished well in the standings, who returns a lot of talent would use a late first round or second round pick on a high schooler on GA contract, who can't immediately step into the traveling squad. While Seattle's 11th pick wouldn't be a likely result, as they do need a winger who can start, they do have the coaching staff that has a history of developing youth national team players, and a few veterans at the very positions where Corea is most likely to contribute in the pro-level.

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"Best Athletes" is a meaningless term without proper context

Let’s choose between two players, one is 6’7" and the other is 5’7". You pick one and I’ll take the other. Well, if you chose the 6’7" player, you chose wrong, because you took Jan Koller, and I got Lionel Messi. You got a French Third Division forward and I got the top player in world soccer. Even it were more fair, and you got Koller at his very peak, you’re still getting a vastly inferior player if you’re picking on athleticism.

What kind of athlete is “best” depends entirely on the sport in question. LeBron James is a superb athlete for basketball but he’d be a complete joke in horse racing or gymnastics. In the case of soccer, physical parameters can vary greatly because skills count much more than anything else.

  • Think back to the Confederations Cup Final. What allowed Brazil to come back to win that game wasn’t athleticism, it was superior skills that allowed them to take control in the second half. This is particularly evident in their third goal, which was scored off a corner. Lucio isn’t any bigger or stronger than the defenders around him on that play. What got him the header was the fact that Elano put the ball in perfectly so Lucio barely had to move to get to it. That’s a skill difference, not an athletic difference.
  • Think of any MLS match. What’s missing, athletic ability or soccer ability? The lack I’m seeing is soccer ability. I’m seeing a lack of control of passes, sloppy first touch, a lack of the close control that allows a player to get by defenders. Skill, not athleticism, is missing.

The question to ask is not what if LeBron James played soccer, but rather why isn’t Landon Donovan Lionel Messi? What is it that allows a 5’7" kid from Argentina to become the best player in the world? Why is Kaká better than Clint Dempsey? Get the answers to those questions and you’ll get somewhere.

by CarlosT on Dec 21, 2009 3:21 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I would disagree

In that during the youth ranks, the best athletes in Brazil play soccer and develop their technical and tactical skills.

In the USA the best athletes do not play soccer, thereby never developing those same technical and tactical skills.

In high school in America good soccer players leave the sport so they can get a scholarship as a basketball player, even if their peak for basketball is not as high, but the earnings/scholarship for basketball is so much higher. Take Steve Nash for example, a great athlete, a good soccer and basketball player, but due to the appeal of basketball in North America he did not stick with soccer.

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by Sounder At Heart on Dec 21, 2009 5:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Name me the Brazilian who's built like LeBron James

The LeBron James equivalents play either basketball or volleyball, because those are the sports for which that kind of athlete are “best”. The athletes who are “best” for gymnastics in Brazil become gymnasts. The point is what’s the source of the definition of “best athlete”? If you’re looking to other sports, then you’re getting a distorted picture. “Athlete” is a much too general term and in any case, by the time you get to the top levels of professional sports, athleticism is mostly a wash anyway.

The big difference between youth development in the US and elsewhere is that in the US it’s largely done by amateurs and in Brazil it’s almost entirely done by professionals. Look at the biography of almost any top player in the big European leagues and you’ll see that professional clubs scouted them, gave them coaching from professionals, on all the way up to those players making their first team debuts. Inter’s academy is a good example. They have ten youth teams starting with kids as young as eight years old. How many players are getting coaching from a professional coach at eight here in the US in any sport? It’s gotta be pretty close to zero. Inter may have a particularly well developed academy structure, but their not alone, because all these academy teams play in leagues against other teams at the same level organized by other teams. I choose Inter because they have a website up and everything, but this kind of thing is replicated all over the world.

by CarlosT on Dec 21, 2009 4:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ignore James

take a 16 year old that could win a decathalon

take a 16 year old human slug

both have the same level of soccer skill. In America the first one will NEVER play soccer, ok, very rarely. It isn’t about height or weight, but overall athleticism, and that without local heroes within the sport, there draw will always be small towards a sport.

Don’t focus on Lebron, look at Steve Nash. He supposedly was MLS level talent, if not better. He’s a great athlete, but he didn’t pick to stick with soccer.

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by Sounder At Heart on Dec 21, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But athleticism isn't the problem

American soccer players aren’t getting killed on athletic ability, so enough athletic guys are playing the sport to fill the national team. A team of “human slugs” would never have beaten Spain and pushed Brazil hard. US players are great at running hard and jumping high and all the standard athletic stuff. It’s in the soccer stuff where they’re deficient. When Brazil turned the game around, it wasn’t by running harder, jumping higher, or any bit of athleticism. It was by controlling the ball, by making the right pass, by making that superior turn and shot, by placing that cross precisely on the head of your teammate. It’s the same in MLS. Players are in great shape, but they can’t trap the ball, pass accurately, finish, and so on and so forth.

I’m not denying that good athletes leave soccer to play in other sports, but focusing on that is solving the wrong problem. The top US players are physically on a par with their counterparts in Latin America or Europe, but they don’t have the same level of skill.

by CarlosT on Dec 21, 2009 5:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There are two choice

I find the easier short term solution to get the better athletes, which will lead to better investment in coaching. Because the USA is really good at producing top notch athletes.

At this time I don’t think there are enough coaches to make an impact. The 2010 project was supposed to have regional centers all over the country, we still only have Bradenton. What was supposed to be dozens is still 1, after over a decade.

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by Sounder At Heart on Dec 21, 2009 5:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, the US produces great athletes

But athletes with the same skills will produce the same results. The US isn’t losing out on the basis of athleticism, it’s losing out on skill.

This is why the MLS and other professional clubs need to step up. In other nations, it’s not the FA or some entity like that developing players, it’s clubs who are looking to either find a great player to strengthen their squad or to transfer to a bigger club for a hefty fee. In other words, capitalism, which for whatever reason, people are hesitant to give free reign in American sports.

As for regional centers, that’s one more than Brazil has. What they do have is hundreds of clubs looking for young talent, finding it, and developing it into top players. The players who filter up to the top in that process are proven winners, with the skills to play at top level.

by CarlosT on Dec 21, 2009 6:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So about Dustin Corea

Or high schoolers going to MLS in general…

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by Sounder At Heart on Dec 21, 2009 6:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

The Problem with HS

All but our very best HS players could not expect to seriously crack an MLS lineup. And even those players are often going to seriously struggle with the physicality of the game. And owing to the fact that we simply cannot develop players in this league without a reserve team or the like, I just can’t see my way clear to thinking this would likely work out well.

by brokejumper on Dec 22, 2009 2:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

or DUSTIN going to the Sounders

Have they even heard of this kid? or contacted him?

I mean really, shouldn’t MLS pick up (just about) EVERY US U17 MNT player that wants to join the league? Wouldn’t that raise the league’s profile, or talent level? Isn’t that the kind of thing we’re all hoping MLS is trying to accomplish?

This is the guy that juked Brazilian defenders when they played in Dec ’08. (the second time.)

by rosebuzz on Dec 22, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Best Athletes

I would completely disagree with the idea that Brazil was not more athletic than we were.

MLS needs to be supported, when the money is there, the athletes will come and the US will be competing to win the World Cup.

by Charles J on Dec 22, 2009 9:35 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Then identify an instance where athleticism failed the US in that match

Brazil was better in that match, but it was difference in skill, not in athleticism.

by CarlosT on Dec 22, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Coaching versus Pure Talent

“The question to ask is not what if LeBron James played soccer, but rather why isn’t Landon Donovan Lionel Messi? What is it that allows a 5’7” kid from Argentina to become the best player in the world? Why is Kaká better than Clint Dempsey? Get the answers to those questions and you’ll get somewhere."

>>>I could coach Kaka to be better than Clint Dempsey. You honestly think that the reason LaBron is better than his Brazilian basketball playing counterpart is because he got better coaching ?
No it is because the LaBron of Brazil went to play in the World Cup.

We get one good/great athlete in LD and he wins player of the US every year.

by Charles J on Dec 22, 2009 9:50 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Who is the LeBron of Brazil?

Seriously. Give me a name. The fact is, there’s almost no one like LeBron James playing soccer anywhere for anyone. LeBron is built for basketball (or maybe volleyball) and he wouldn’t have any particular advantages in soccer. He might in fact have some disadvantages. I can imagine that his size could make him more susceptible to fatigue over the ninety minutes.

Messi entered the youth system of Newell’s Old Boys at eight and was brought into the Barcelona youth system at 13. At 22, he’s had 14 years with professional clubs. That’s not a unique story, either, but what American can say the same?

Do you really believe that Kaká could have developed into the player he is without instruction and development? Brazilians and Argentines are better than Americans because there are dozens of clubs in each country looking for talent constantly and, yes, giving them top quality coaching. It’s not that these countries have that much more talent genetically or something that like, it’s that talent is identified early and developed professionally.

Discussions like these suggest to me why the US has been great at developing keepers and lags at developing field players. There’s a type of athleticism that is considered “best” in the US and that lends itself well to goalkeeping, but isn’t necessarily all that applicable to other positions. So those skills get developed in goalkeepers here, but other soccer skills are left underdeveloped.

by CarlosT on Dec 22, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But the best athletes in Argentina and Brazil

always become soccer players, always

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by Sounder At Heart on Dec 22, 2009 5:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No, they don't.

Again, the “best athlete” thing is meaningless outside of some specific context. The guys who are built for fighting going into jiu-jitsu or boxing, the guys who are really big and tall go into volleyball or basketball, and the guys have great reaction times and can stand 3-G turns become Formula One or World Rally Championship drivers.

It really seems the term “best” here is really a substitute for “best paid” or “highest profile”, which will by definition mean NBA, NFL, or MLB players in the US and soccer players in Brazil and Argentina. But that doesn’t tell us anything useful. What is useful is thinking about how we can build up the kind of infrastructure that allows teams around the world find and develop good players.

by CarlosT on Dec 22, 2009 8:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I have defined athlete

as someone who I would think of as a complete athlete
Fast, Strong, Nimble, Flexible, Enduring, Quick

I tend to think of decathaletes, basketball and soccer players, wide receivers and safeties, centerfielders and shortstops.

Just being tall does not make an athlete
Just being strong does not do it either
Just being fast is not grandly athletic

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by Sounder At Heart on Dec 22, 2009 8:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Remember Michael Jordan and baseball?

Just because you have athletic ability favors you in one sport doesn’t mean you’ll succeed in another. Messi wouldn’t be a decathlete, or a basketball, football, or baseball player at the professional level. I’d still consider him a complete athlete.

Your definition also excludes all gymnasts, who’d I’d argue are some of the most athletic people on the planet. I knew a male gymnast who could do pushups without his feet touching the ground. I doubt there are many athletes in your definition who could do that. And this guy wasn’t Olympic class or anything like that, just good enough to be a college gymnast.

What’s “best” depends on the sport.

by CarlosT on Dec 23, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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