2010/2011 CONCACAF Champions League Start Date set
MLS and CONCACAF announced today that the Preliminary Round of the CONCACAF Champions League will start on July 27th. The draw for opponents will be held June(ish). Over the winter break though we have learned a few of the teams that Sounders could draw. These are not firm enough to decide that you must book a flight down to Central America in late July, but Brujas FC of Costa Rica joined Arabe Unido of Panama and CD FAS of El Salvador as possible Pot B teams.
One of the myths of the CCL is that it will cause fixture congestion. This will only be true if the Sounders manage to make it past the Preliminary Round. Otherwise it is merely two more matches. This isn't the only myth though, generaly when the CCL comes up some that like to deride MLS, or those that root for USL sides like to point out the failures of MLS on that stage compared to the USL and Mexican teams. Only one of those statements is correct.
MLS can not beat Mexican squads. No one in the region really can. In UEFA they use coefficients to determine how many teams a nation enters into the UEFA Champions League and Europa League, and at what stages. Someone has done that same math for CONCACAF.
Mexico comes out clearly ahead, but the USA (MLS) sits in second in a chunk with Puerto Rico, Costa Rica and Honduras. Canada, despite that great run by the Montreal Impact, sits at 7th. Yes, PR and Canada have both received representation from USL sides (and others) but anyone treating the success of the Islanders or Impact as an indicator of some sort of equivalence between the USL/NASL/USSF divisions ignores matches where the two leagues interact, while ignoring that in the past two CCL seasons there were only 4 matches between "2nd Division" and "1st Division" sides in the CCL, but there were 31 other competitive matches.
That's where we will look, the US Open Cup, the Voyageurs Cup and the CCL matches that involve competition between MLS sides and other teams governed by the USSF (USL/NASL in USA, Canada, PR and Bermuda). 35 matches over the last two seasons, and while teams like the USL Seattle Sounders made a run, or two, it wasn't really a contest.
MLS sides outscored their opponents by over half a goal per match, and earned 1.71 points per match played.
| Pts won | Matches | PPM | GF | GA | GD | |
| 2009 V-Cup | 9 | 4 | 2.25 | 8 | 3 | 5 |
| 2009 USOC | 20 | 11 | 1.82 | 20 | 13 | 7 |
| 2009 CCL | 5 | 4 | 1.25 | 3 | 2 | 1 |
| 2008 V-Cup | 5 | 4 | 1.25 | 4 | 4 | 0 |
| 2008 USOC | 21 | 12 | 1.75 | 20 | 14 | 6 |
| TOTALS | 60 | 35 | 1.71 | 55 | 36 | 19 |
I could massage numbers dropping Toronto FC, or not including the top clubs, but there is no need. The difference is significant. No, not as significant as the difference between the EPL and its lower divisions.
| Pts won | Matches | PPM | GF | GA | GD | |
| 08/09 Carling | 51 | 25 | 2.04 | 58 | 30 | 28 |
| 08/09 FA | 92 | 45 | 2.04 | 74 | 40 | 34 |
| TOTALS | 143 | 70 | 2.04 | 132 | 70 | 62 |
The CCL though is not about comparing MLS to the 2nd division, it is about an attempt at making the Club World Cup, and there's only 1 way to do that BEAT MEXICAN teams. Check those coefficient numbers again. It doesn't happen.
In fact its been 10 years since an MLS side was in Final of a version of the CCL, and only 3 times in the League's history have they done that. The chances that Seattle Sounders FC significantly stretch their roster from the CCL is pretty low, but the payoff for doing it is incredibly high. CONCACAF teams have finished 4th in 3 of the last 4 years and earned 2M$ while getting just a bit of national exposure. Five years ago though, Saprissa finished third. Yep, the last non-FMF team to make the Club World Cup finished 3rd.
So don't get distracted by "fixture congestion," and certainly don't focus on the minor clubs in this tourney. With rumored signings of Costa Rican Defenders, and Israeli Forwards it isn't about fixture congestion. It is about finding ways to beat Monterey, Cruz Azul, and likely a Saprissa or a Pachuca or America or Chivas.
Not rest. Not rotations.
Beating the best teams in the region on their home pitch. That's it.
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Is it enough
to win at home and draw on the road? As the old saying goes…
I’m looking forward to these games, for the constant variety of sport. I hope we go far, but if we don’t, I hope we get to try again next year (which would mean, of course, some sort of 2010 success). And the next year. And the next year….
by Cornchops on Jan 21, 2010 9:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’m definitely curious to see how the Sounders do in CCL action.
Playing two matches per week when you’re right in the middle of the MLS Playoff hunt isn’t easy. Rotations and rest are necessary evils. And the Sounders are going to have some decisions to make when it comes to prioritizing.
Of course that’s all IF you even make it to the group stage :P
by ShatzMarinara on Jan 22, 2010 3:29 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Due to injury/cards
Last year they rotated quite a bit. By the end of the season they were 6 deep in their 4 attacking roles. But have since lost one of those in Le Toux
They are 3 deep at LB, 3 deep in the two CM roles.
And if they get Delgado are 5 deep at CB
The place of least depth is RB
We’re use to seeing rotations.
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by Sounder At Heart on Jan 22, 2010 7:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As long as we can coordinate our cards
to alternate MLS/OC/CCL, then we’ll be fine, and Sigi won’t even have to make any decisions on the 18. The players can make them for him!
Actually, I’d appreciate less cards this year.
by Cornchops on Jan 22, 2010 8:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s easy to say that you have depth at all those positions, but do you really trust guys like Tyson Wahl and Nathan Sturgis to start at Toluca?
Foreleft’s post below is exactly my point. You’re going to have to emphasize one over the other at some point, and adding injuries and cards to the mix will only make that more difficult.
by ShatzMarinara on Jan 23, 2010 5:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What take precedence?
My question is, if we have a CCL match on Wednesday and MLS match on Saturday against LA, Houston RSL… which game are they going to be putting more emphasis on as a club? I can’t imagine Freddie will be playing more than one match a week. If he and some other starters are only playing once a week which match do they start?
by foreleft on Jan 22, 2010 8:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Precedent
I have been flamed in the past, maybe rightfully so, for saying MLS should just forget about CCL. I like it, but it really is not working to do anything but give people a reason NOT to go to games.
But, I think the Sounders will do well in CCL.
One,they have done well in the past in US Open Cups, etc. Maybe it doesn’t carry over, but maybe something is causing it that does, Schmetzer ?
Two, we actually have a crowd. I can’t imagine those other MLS teams are drawing anything for those games. We should be able to rival the Mexican crowds…unless they play it in Tukwila.
Three, other home field advantages….artificial turf ( I LOVE THE TURF ), and long travel distance to Seattle.
by Charles J on Jan 22, 2010 12:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Don't most MLS seem to ignore the CCL anyhow?
From reading other blogs it seems there is a lot of criticism of MLS teams for mostly starting their B and C teams while the other teams start their A teams.
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by bluemax on Jan 22, 2010 5:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True, most clubs have rested their teams
Sigi has won a previous version of this event, but with many fewer teams involved.
But the key is to do like Seattle did in the Open Cup – take it just a bit more seriously than most MLS sides.
Sounders typically had 1-3 more starters in their lineup and 1-3 more rotationals than the other MLS teams. It helped them build depth, and helped the substitutes and reserves develop teamwork with several starters.
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by Sounder At Heart on Jan 22, 2010 6:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The 2000 CCC was nothing like the CCL of today. Schmid’s Galaxy basically won a weekend tournament at home.
There’s a perception that MLS clubs haven’t taken the CCL seriously, but I think it’s highly overexaggerated. NY played their best available team last season; the problem wasn’t their level of interest, it was that they sucked. TFC also sent out their best squad, but their inability to finish cost them. Going back to 2008, Chivas used a mixed team with a decent number of starters, and simply showed no interest in winning either leg (making it worse, Tauro FC was quite awful outside of a couple players). Finally, New England had a ridiculous injury crisis that left them having to start several players carrying injuries that normally would have kept them out.
Of the teams that have played in the group stage, it’s been more varied. Mostly, it seems to depend on how you’re doing in MLS when the CCL comes around in the fall. Teams up near the top of the standings (Houston, Columbus) can afford to play their best eleven against the Mexican clubs and still roll with mostly regulars throughout. They use MLS play to rest their starters.
The main source of the “MLS clubs don’t take the CCL seriously” myth has been my own DC United. However, people don’t look at this in context. DC’s teams over the past 2 years have been old, and old teams can’t take the frequent games or the travel that comes with it. There’s also an even bigger factor: When CCL play started in both seasons, United was in a poor spot in the standings. In both 2008 and 2009, we failed to get ourselves into a promising position to make the playoffs. Where Columbus and Houston could give their stars breaks in MLS play, DC pretty much couldn’t afford to lose those games (of course, in both seasons they did drop results, and missed the playoffs by the slightest margin both times).
It’s a small sample size, but right now it appears that you’ll be able to predict how serious Seattle will take the CCL by the all-star break.
by ChestRockwell on Jan 25, 2010 10:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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