On Main Stream Media coverage of Sounders and Soccer
With the recent news that Jose Romero is leaving the Seattle Times, the rumors concerning Arlo White joining the Sounders broadcast, latest release of the Face of Sports (US)by Nielson and the nearly constant complaints on soccer forums about local sportsradio's lack of coverage of the Sounders I thought I should share my thoughts on this in just one place.
For a little background I have some education in Broadcast Communications, leveraged that into a job at KJR-AM Seattle for about 2.5 years, and even taught a little bit at BCC. The job I did at KJR-AM was as a producer - which means I was responsible at that time for booking guests, doing show research, screening phone calls and helping guide the overall direction of the show.
In order of amount of time I worked on shows I was affiliated with the following programs on a dedicated basis;
Locked on Sports with David Locke (now in Salt Lake City as play-by-play for Utah Jazz)
John Clayton's Sports Saturday (now at 710 ESPN Seattle)
SuperSonics Basketball (now dead and gone)
Storm Basketball
Baseball's Best Postgame Show(numerous hosts - Seth Everett, David Locke, Bill Krueger, Mike Blowers, Steve Sandmeyer, Dick Fain and Shannon Drayer)
The 4th Quarter with Dick Fain (now called Sports Saturday)
Mitch in the Morning
On top of that I worked and supported the other shows on the air, went to numerous press conferences and team practices.
I give this partial resume not because Dave Clark wanted to talk about himself, but so that newer readers might k now that when I talk about radio talkshows I know a little bit about it. It was my job, and while the host is the primary driver of ratings, my time was well spent.
During my time there I received constant calls that we didn't talk enough about sport/issue X, Y and Z. Every time I took that phone call or email I had to think "Is this complaint legit?" "If we talk about this we gain how many listeners and lose how many more/less?"
I was an advocate for more coverage of the A-League Sounders and that coverage very rarely happened, and was generally confined to on-air ribbing of the slightly crazy producer (me). Callers tended to advocate for more NHL talk, maybe some NASCAR as well.
We didn't have a hard rule. There was not a magic number that needed to be hit.
What we had in my case was a host that knew the NBA/MLB (Locke), or the NFL (Clayton), or college basketball (Fain & Mitch) or Golf (Mitch). I'm not saying that they were limited to those concepts, but they were better at those than most hosts in the country. So we often leaned towards those topics, because that was where we could provide the most knowledge.
Every host also had secondary subject matters, but eventually there comes a point where a host can't talk about a particular sport. They don't have the knowledge base. You'll note at 950 KJR and 710 ESPN now almost no one talks about the NHL. If they do it will almost certainly focus on an interview with an expert who hopefully can use a few mainstream metaphors so that non-hockey sports fans can understand what is going on in the game. Even then I would bet that thousands of radios are turning off, as this isn't a hockey market.
In hockey markets the hosts have to carry that knowledge themselves. But they didn't start that way, not in all of them, some markets became hockey towns after the advent of sports radio, and their stations had to adjust. They could not ignore the sport. Carolina is probably the best example of that. The Program Directors had to find some new talent, or engage their old talent in a sport that was "new" to the region.
Right now Seattle is entering that same realm. There are no hosts (weekly name brand show) on the air in this market that are soccer fans. There are a few that enjoy the sport (Gas the strongest, followed by Groz and Softy), but they can't comment on that they way they do other sports. Honestly, this is true for every other MLS market except Toronto at this time. Sure some markets have dedicated, live call-in shows for just soccer, but that still leaves it as a fringe sport and not a ratings winner.
Has Sounders FC reached the tipping point where there aren't just dedicated segments/shows for the sport and team, but instead that talk should trickle its way into any given hosts day? Probably Not. Yes, the ratings are pretty good. Certainly the attendence is amazing.
But the sport still has more haters than lovers in this town.
There-in lies the problem. Sports radio is not an NPR type media that covers stories base on their "value" unless value by how many listeners any give topic receives. That's it. Every single moment on radio listeners are making decisions, and that is what drives topic selection. Unlike the internet and cable tv where "microcasting" can succeed, on-air media (and newspapers) are "broadcasts" and have to have broad appeal. Listeners/readers/watchers have to be a large demographic segments, not clusters of tiny ones.
They want entertainment, they want to let go of the worries of life and they want to think that the professional knows more than they do. So when people say that "Sport X needs more coverage" on a sports station just remember, the only way that is true is if it would increase ratings.
In Seattle, with the Sounders we are damn close to that. But the hosts will need an education on the game, in order to apply a critical eye and do so while entertaining those that both love and hate the game.
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Oh, and I failed to mention
I am trying to get on the air more often, and engage the hosts more often. Many of them have received invites to watch a game with me, come to a practice with me and all at KJR know who I am.
Dick Fain will almost certainly have me on as a semi-regular. Gas more infrequently, and we’ll see what else can be arranged.
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What is mainsteam?
I think the whole definition of “mainstream sports media” is changing and has already changed over the last several years. There really isn’t any media dedicated to general sports coverage. You have football, basketball, baseball, Tiger Woods (I mean golf), and regionally either NHL or NASCAR (but doubtful both) sources, which don’t stray beyond those sports. Then you have soccer, boxing, tennis, etc. covered by its own speciality shows or media outlets. Soccer and other sports cannot truly break into that first group because, by definition, it doesn’t fit. Those first sports overlap only because so many of their fans follow all of those sports.
Wendell
Mainstream Media cover ideas that are already popular.
NFL/College
NBA/College (College is stronger in South&Midwest)
Baseball
Golf
NASCAR (stronger in South)
Those all have great ratings in all regions of the USA
NHL is still regional, but where it is it is much stronger than soccer by about 5 times. As in the best Hockey markets pull in over five times the ratings of the best soccer markets.
The demographic overlap isn’t as tight as you think it is.
NBA is now a Gen Y sport. MLS is Gen X&Y. Baseball skews so old it maybe dying. NFL is GenX and Boomers.
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So
when does the S@H podcast start? I mean, LL has one now…
I emailed our local Bham sports show about Sounders coverage last year, but received no reply. They did mention scores each morning though. Maybe we’ll get there.
by Cornchops on Jan 30, 2010 8:20 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Making news reports is a first step
That’s got to happen prior to actual talk
For KJR they even LED several updates with the averted work stoppage story.
As for a Podcast hosted here it may happen, but I have a few other things I’m trying to do first.
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Encouraging
Thank you for sharing your history a bit as it does lend a ton of credibility to your assessment. I made a post on the club website here a while back and one of the things I listed as needing improvement in the gameday experience was to have a post-game call-in show on any radio station. After reading your post, it almost feels like you’re saying Sounders FC is basically becoming too popular to avoid for the stations. The interesting part though, was your explanation that part of the reason they avoid in depth coverage is because they’re hosts can’t provide the depth. That makes perfect sense. While I’m still frustrated with the lack of coverage, my frustration is no longer directed at the current on-air hosts. Instead, I guess my frustration should now directed at the stations themselves.
It seems like both KJR and KIRO have knowledgable tallent that could host a Sounders FC post-game call-in show if they were willing to take the plunge. KIRO has the hosts of the “MyNorthwest.com” podcast, and KJR has the guys that hosted the “First 90” pre-game show (and “Seattle Soccer Show” podcast). My theory would be that whichever station takes the risk of doing a post-game show first, will reap the greatest reward. I really want to listen to talk about the match on their drives home (and I know I’m not alone). I might even be willing to call in. The first station to tap into this market will win the loyalty of the fans I expect.
Side note… don’t bother investing effort into creating your own podcast. Instead, it sounds like you’re already lined up to be a regular or semi-regular on a number of shows. Is there a way you could provide your appearances on those shows in an RSS feed? Probably not due to copyright issues, but it would be cool if you could. I’ve heard you on the MyNorthwest.com podast once and it was very interesting content.
thank you
I actually haven’t been on the MyNW podcast yet. I think that was David Falk.
I have been on the First 90 when they had it (but neither host now works at KJR), and have several appearences with Dick Fain.
http://kjram.com/cc-common/podcast/single_podcast.html?podcast=sportssaturday.xml
scroll down and you can find some (at least one was never recorded)
But I will always post a link to my appearences, and if I get enough warning I will let you know about them.
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Prost then?
I think I confused it with your appearance on a Prost pre-game podcast. Steve does MyNorthwest with Libby. I guess you weren’t on the one with Libby, just the Prost podcast. Regardless, I remember you had intelligent things to say. Keep it up.
sounders weekly
The guys who do the weekly sounders show on 710 really have potential. I liked the show a lot. Hopefully they can get a show longer then 30 minutes.
by DarthGreedo on Jan 30, 2010 10:18 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Podcast appearences
Richard Farley www.worldsoccerdigest.com and about 12 other sites records many and I was interviewed for one that should be up later this week.
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Talk radio
It will eventually happen if the Sounders continue to be successful. But, it could be jumpstarted by a truly outstanding continuing performance that the whole city couldn’t help but notice. I can’t predict exactly what that might be but I remember when Griffey Jr. hit HRs in 8 consecutive games. Everyone was keyed into the Mariners. Maybe Montero needs a similar streak of goal scoring games so that even non-soccer fans start tuning in just to see if Fredy can do it again.
Have to admit I'm shocked
As a relative newcomer to the Seattle area, I’m frankly amazed that mainstream sports media hasn’t given more attention to the Sounders. I can only speak from my experience, but even during home games, I would have to get to the George & Dragon a good hour before kickoff to guarantee a seat. Point being, there’s got to be at least 50,000-80,000 fans that are following the Sounders closely with at least twice that taking at least a passing interest. That’s obviously still a little niche-y, but you’d think it would be enough to convince media shotcallers to pay a little more attention.
That being said, I don’t know that I’d get too worried. From my limited perspective, it seems that at least part of what makes the Sounders attractive is that they are an alternative to teams like the Seahawks, operating almost on a separate track of consciousness.
That provides an opportunity for fans like us to frame the way the team is viewed without so much interference from casual fans, who aren’t nearly as interested in examining the finer points of the game.
Once the big media players want on to the bandwagon, they’ll be forced to conform to the already connected fanbase, rather than dictate the terms to them. Maybe this lack of attention is a blessing.
good point
I think a good example of the mainstream media getting it wrong is the 30 min Sounders Weekly show on KING last year. They tried to dictate the terms by giving us a fluffy local sportscast. In the end I gave up on it. It was unwatchable. I was looking for more analysis of play, discussion of the league, etc. They gave us too much fluff and not enough meat. How about a discussion of the formation Sounders used? Once? Ever? What a great opportunity to be interesting and educate the soccer newbies. Instead we got ’what’s your favorite movie?‘—which is OK for 30 seconds at the end of the show, but c’mon. And it goes to the point raised above—they don’t have the knowledge to do that type of coverage.
The MLS highlights for the week should include EVERY GOAL. That can’t be too hard. How about an in depth look at the Sounders next foe? When they do a player profile, talk about their strengths and weaknesses as a player, show examples. Talk about where they came from, who they played for, and how that effects their style of play. There’s all kinds of interesting things that show could have covered,and what we got mostly was an extended local sportscast filled with dreck. I hope they try again, because it’s a huge investment, and could really grab a following. They need to rethink their approach, though.
by jamesington on Feb 1, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
awesome suggestions
I love everything you wrote here about how to improve the TV presentation.
I’d also think that this same basic format your outline would make for a great segment on either KIRO or KJR. I agree with Dave that for long term durability you need a host that gets it — but in the short run you just need a host who can facilitate an intelligent discussion between some experts once a week..
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Do you delete comments on this site, I posted something yesterday and it is not up there now ?
I have bad language, but not when I type, other than that I do not attack anyone ever. Not my style.
Why was it deleted ?
I did not delete a comment
It wouldn’t be my way.
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Sorry
Sorry for accusing you of doing it then.
I posted that I was sorry to Calabro go, he is a Seattle hero, a great announcer.
I was almost certain they would bring someone in with a British accent and a lame sense of pre-planned one line humor and no chrisma.
Sure enough. Although he isn’t as boring as most of the British guys, from what little I have heard, so I guess that is a plus.
Good points
As someone who wants to see the soccer dialogue elevated in the region, I always have to keep in mind these background forces. It seems to me that, of any city, we could become the MLS equivalent of an NHL town. But it will take one of the two stations to recognize the market opportunity — and as you note find a host who can drive the conversation.
Each station — and the tv folks at KING/KONG — have done a reasonable job of getting it into the information stream. It’s now a matter of taking it to the next level.
As someone noted here, the obvious first step is doing post-game call ins. Either station could capitalize on the burst of energy that comes after a match. Libby Denkman at KIRO does a good job with the podcast and she seems to have some formal roll with the station. She seems to me to be an obvious initial host.
If the Sounders stick, it seems to me that the station who figures out how best to talk about the Sounders will attract a new audience and add to their ratings. I for one would tune in for Sounders talk, and I rarely turn on either station.

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