Protected List Day in Review
The Trade - Peter Vagenas for Julien Baudet and Danny Earls
MLS had a ton of activity on Protected List Day this year. Several trades went down and the Sounders were in on one of them (Initial News, Press Release, UZ over at BW, UZ here). In the short term it seems this deal was done by Colorado so that they could protect an additional domestic player, but it should be noted that it was also likely a salary dump. Julien Baudet is nearly a half cap player and made about 60K$ more than Vagenas. Danny Earls is in that young area above a Reserve but still cap exempt (think Nyassi, Fucito), and while the wee former Villan may not be good yet, he's also the key to the deal.
From a depth chart perspective Seattle dealt their 5th CM in 2011, at best, for a guy who would be (pending Expansion Draft) at best the 3rd, likely 4th, CB and a 21 year-old that can be the 2nd or 3rd LB. Under last year's roster rules this would have been a bad deal. But with 30 man rosters, and the Re-Entry Draft I think Earls is the key, and how he develops under someone who has a strong history of player development (that's Sigi we often forget his UCLA and U-20 coaching experience) will determine this deal's overall impact in 2012.
The Protected List - Keller, Parke, Hurtado, Alsono, Riley, Evans, Fernandez, Zakuani, Fucito, Montero, Jaqua
The "surprises" were really only 3 guys. Nate Jaqua was protected over Blaise Nkufo; Brad Evans was protected over Nate Sturgis or Patrick Ianni; and Mike Fucito was chosen over Sanna Nyassi. Altogether this List averages 26.9 years old, but a part of that is Mr Kasey Keller. Dropping Keller shrinks the average age to 25.5. Seattle's core likely to get younger for 2011, but will do it with experienced players.
With this list Seattle protects 73% of its offense, and it is probable that they retain 80% or more as I don't think that both Nyassi and Nkufo will be lost. The defensive triangle to start 2011 is now a known item as well. If JKH's health was at all an issue they would have protected Ianni. We'll find out in 24 hours if Ianni is the 3rd CB or if Baudet, Marshall and Graham are battling for that rotational slot.
The last choice chose someone in their peak age over someone who is still quite raw and developing. The Nyassi v Fucito debate has happened so often on this site that I don't know what else to say besides this. I couldn't be more excited by the decision. While Sanna may become a good player, Fucito clearly is right now. If that knee injury hadn't ripped out half the season Fucito would have been in the 1500-2000 minute range playing as a WF, LW and RW instead of Nyassi, Levesque, Noonan while spelling Zakuani and Montero. I think he's capable of a 9+ Goal, 4+ Assist numbers, if not more.
The Likely Losses - Nkufo, Ianni, Sturgis, Nyassi
While some might put Leo Gonzalez on that list, his age and contract make other outside backs more likely to be taken. The Expansion Draft will really just give us our first opportunity to see how the staffs in Vancouver and Portland think about team construction.
Both have a ton of Cap room, so the size of contracts will not be a concern. Vancouver already has a strong youth system, and so will likely go with middling veterans who can be a stop gap. They also already have one Designated Player. Even if they plan on going with 3 DPs in year one, Blaise is probably not their first target for that with Julian De Guzman available, unless of course the Nkufo thing was preordained from day one of his signing. I actually expect them to go with Sturgis or Nyassi. One is in his peak, with a few years of experience and is capable of handling the midfield in ways that the Whitecaps have enjoyed at lower levels. The other is international, young and capable of flash, but needs development time and they could turn him into something special.
With Portland the early speculation centers on Ianni. He has a connection to their coach, and is an MLS caliber starter at centerback. While those connections are useful in speculation, let's also remember that hometown/coaching connections weren't the strongest influences in either Expansion Draft in which Seattle has been involved. Philly didn't just pick South Jersey/Philly area players with connections to their coach. Remember we thought that Parke or King would be picked for those reasons? Seattle ignored several players with local ties, and instead crafted a team around their operating philosophy, not regional origin.
Expect the other Cascadia teams to do this too. Neither will pick players based on their locale, they will instead pick players who they think will help them win in years one, two and three of their existence.
The #snOMG
So, on Sounder at Heart's biggest readership day in its young life, on a day when I probably wanted to spend six hours writing and conversing with you I was instead one of the tens of thousands that were stuck in the heavy traffic caused by the weather and poor driving skills of this populace.
So Sidereal and Jeremiah carried the day. I got to use my Droid Eris to pass emails, texts, tweets to either or both of them, but I was essentially disconnected. But it wasn't just they who carried the site on a great day.
A few readers used the FanShots and FanPosts to update with the news of the day, the rumors and to use this place as their focus for conversation. Particular thanks to chrisperry1983 and reesebw, as well as joesz and moyerLives. Their posts on the overall expansion lists, MLS Cup and FIFA's upcoming hosting decision contributed to the community's knowledge base.
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I guess I didn't realize how much Baudet made
If we keep him, it probably means Marshall is gone (or vice-versa).
Good point on regional ties not being all that important. Ianni is still a solid piece, though, and I think he’s most likely gone. I think the Nkufo thing is just a lot of hot air, though. If Vancouver really wants to poach a strong attacker up front who is DP level, why not take Angel?
I had
the same thought why take N’kufo when Angel is available who’s been in the league longer that’s done better. I mean a DP that scored 58 goals in MLS in his career.
I've heard from several people than Angel wants to go to back to River Plate sooner than later.
With Nkufo you’d at least be guaranteed he’ll be around another year or two, barring injury. Angel also makes a lot more money, doesn’t he?
by Aaron Campeau on Nov 23, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
Vancouver would still pay the same in Cap space
regardless of which DP they take in the draft if they take one. Angel makes i think ~ a million or so but he has earned every penny.
But Dave does bring a point is N’kufo the type of player they want as a DP.
They take up the same cap space but the rest of his salary still has to come from somewhere.
by Aaron Campeau on Nov 23, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
Sure
they have to figure out where the rest of the salary comes from but the point was if they are gonna take a DP wouldn’t they take someone that’s a proven scorer in this league vs someone whose only been in the league for half a season.
As
Dave pointed out there is Julian De Guzman available as well.
I don't know all the details on de Guzman's performance
but it seems like they would steer clear of him.
by chrisperry1983 on Nov 23, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
Angel also supposedly hates Turf
likely due to his experiences in Giants stadium.
I’ve never read a quote from him, but it is what Turf haters say he’s said.
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Right
i don’t expect Angel to be taken but it was a good point to bring up anyways about other DPs being available that Vancouver can pick if they want to use a DP but not on Blaise.
I've put out a call to the Villa Twitteratti for some insight on Earls.
Not a whole lot has come back, which is surprising since some of my followers are pretty hard-core followers of the reserve team. Dan at AVFC Central (which is the premier Villa blog on the web in my eyes) said he remembered him being a very solid (if unspectacular) LB.
An encouraging sign for me is that he played a lot of games for the reserves at a very young age and Villa were not exactly starved for young defensive talent at the time. Obviously his recent play is more important, but I think his stint with Villa (who have one of the stronger reserve/youth systems in England) shows that someone important in their development system thought he was promising enough to give a decent amount of playing time to. Even if he hasn’t exactly set the world in fire since coming to the US, 21 is crazy young for a defender and if the natural talent is still there this could end up being a pretty nifty find.
Dave
Good call on PV not being on the roster next season.
I'm not really deep in the know about what Vancouver or Portland need
So it’s hard to tell who’s going to be taken. I surely hope that everything about Ianni is wild speculation, and that the only reason he was left open is because he’s no longer “needed” with Hurtado coming back. But, this could be that sacrificial lamb type situation where we make a behind the scenes deal with a team to prevent them from taking someone else.
If I were Vancouver, I would take Sturgis in a heartbeat. I don’t know what his future contract holds, but his current salary of I think around $70k is a steal for his relative skill and composure at a critical spot on the field. I’ve been a fan of him since opening day and I would hate to see him go. But with Evans hopefully coming back and being in form, I would assume he gets the starting spot.
Nyassi is an odd situation. I like the kid, I think he’s fast, and I think he will get better over time. But I feel like wanting to cling onto him so that he’ll develop in 4 years is kind of a stretch, when we really just need people to be good now. I was relieved to see that Fucito got his protection, and that Nyassi didn’t edge him out. Also glad to see Jaqua staying on, even though he hits our cap hard.
Regarding Baudet and Earls, Baudet is good and will be a nice addition. Unfortunately, he makes quite a bit and might not even be a regular. We have people to fill in depth wise already, I feel like this might be a bad deal if he’s a second or third stringer. Earls, being cheap, isn’t so bad and has potential to be a force. This is going to be a crazy expansion draft when it all shakes out.
by chrisperry1983 on Nov 23, 2010 11:35 AM PST reply actions
My (not very good understanding) of Vancouver is that they don't have a need at holding CM.
I believe they have a lot of faith in Terry Dunfield to be an MLS quality player at that position.
Vagenas trade
Was an example of shipping off a guy who WASN’T going to contribute for some players who MAY contribute. These are the types of moves a team makes to stay competitive in the long term. It was the best news of the day for me, personally!
...that's MISTER Keller to you!!!
by malcontentjake on Nov 23, 2010 11:37 AM PST reply actions
He was my dream player for Reserve Coach
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he's "friends" with Sigi
and I’m sure he understands the business. when he decides to hang up the boots Herr Schmidt will give him a call ;-)
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by malcontentjake on Nov 23, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
That's a big cap hit though
Unless we are definitely losing Ianni and having Baudet step in.
I’m sad to see Vagenas go.
by chrisperry1983 on Nov 23, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
The cap hit can be renegotiated, but not much.
and maybe they just expose Baudet in the Re-Entry Drafts. I don’t know the length of contract.
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yeah
I have a tendency to overlook economics because I can’t always keep track of them in this league ;-)
...that's MISTER Keller to you!!!
by malcontentjake on Nov 23, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
I did too
until I started reading this blog. Made me think a lot harder, and I’ve learned a lot more :)
by chrisperry1983 on Nov 23, 2010 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
hmm
I guess overall I am a bit disappointed that we did not protect Nkufo. I like Jaqua and what he brings as far as depth to the squad loaded with games. However, I was really interested to see how Nkufo might do in a full season with someone better in the midfield i.e. Flaco to serve him either from the middle or the wing.
We desperately need someone who can cross well into the box. Someone that is at least half as good as Beckham would make me happy.
Maybe it will all work out in the end.
More thoughts for next year.
Basically I want 4 things on my wish list.
1) A LB that is as good as Gonzalez but gets more involved in the attack.
2) A towering CB that can actually score some goals with his head.
3) A CM with better passing and vision that Sturgis
4) A RW that can beat a man like Nyassi but then knows what to do with the ball afterward.
I suppose Flaco and Evans might fit the midfield spots but I would be interested to see if anybody agrees with this wish list, or not.
Evans and Fernandez are clearly better passers than Sturgis
I’ve commented on the right wing situation so much I’ll stop.
Scoring CBs are either top 3 draft picks, or not in MLS. Would it be great to have Ike Opara or Omar Gonzalez? Sure. Instead the Sounders will have to deal with having just Hurtado, Parke and either Ianni or Baudet as their rotational.
I’m confused why you think Leo didn’t enter the attack enough. He was forward quite frequently.
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I suppose Gonzalez
got forward up to a point. But I would not agree that he got into the attack in the final third as much as Riley did. Correct me if I am wrong (and I am not trying to be sarcastic etc.) but I do not remember him putting too many balls into the box very well. Although I give him credit for a wonder goal and being solid on defense, I would have to go back and watch a lot of the games to change this impression I have of him. Its just a wish list anyway.
True Gonzalez is not a long crosser
He’s more a short pass interplay guy
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OT
But it’s been bugging me – why when referencing dollar amounts do you but the dollar sign after?
by m_b on Nov 24, 2010 8:09 AM PST via mobile reply actions
unique flair?
I know its improper, but it probably arises from me being a vocal communicator.
We’d never say out-loud “Dollars 40,000” so I probably write as I would expect to read if doing a radio update.
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