Expansion Draft Losses Effect On Depth Chart
As Portland and Vancouver used the Draft to build their rosters, or just to trade for talent as the Dax for Rodney Wallace and 4th Rd pick just did, Seattle has lost three players in the past 24 hours, while adding two. The depth chart is in flux, as Seattle will be adding and losing players in the upcoming Re-Entry Drafts, but this does let us know a bit on how losing both Nathan Sturgis and Sanna Nyassi to Vancouver will effect the off-season player hunt.
Here's a reminder on how I build the depth chart. At this time I listed every player in a role where I think they are useful as a Starter, Rotational or Sub on an MLS winning side in League play. Some will have minor changes in how Sigi and his coaches see him, rather than us here, but it should be close.
Starter is a fairly obvious definition. Rotationals are players who can start for stretches. Subs are players who will make almost all appearances in a sub role. Player is listed by full name where I expect they will get most of their time. Since the bolding and hyperlink blurred things I will also seperate the depth with a |
It is structured with Sigi's Arrow in mind. 4-1-1-3-1. This is a stacked CM version of a 4-2-3-1 with center of the band of three being more Withdrawn Forward than Center Attacking Mid (meaning a scorer over distributor).
Sturgis would have been rotational at both Defensive Mid and Center Mid, and having use in a sub role at right back. Sanna would have been a rotational at Right Wing with sub roles at Left Wing and Withdrawn Forward.
Sigi commented on what they meant to the team, and their loss to Vancouver.
"Sanna's explosive speed will be missed and his role in our Open Cup championship will be long remembered," said Sigi Schmid, Sounders FC head coach. "Nate was a very important player to our team last year, starting in our central midfield as we turned things around in the second half.
"We are disappointed to lose them both to Vancouver," added Schmid, "and we want to thank them for their contributions to Sounders FC."
With both expansion teams actively seeking trades let's look now at the Depth Chart for Seattle.
Target Forward: Blaise Nkufo, Nate Jaqua | Levesque | Pat Noonan
Withdrawn Forward: Fredy Montero | Mike Fucito | Roger Levesque, Estrada, Montano
Left Winger: Steve Zakuani | Fucito | Montano, Estrada
Right Winger: Alvaro Fernandez | Fucito | Evans, Levesque, Miguel Montano, David Estrada
Center Mid: Brad Evans, Fernandez | Alonso | Mike Seamon
Defensive Mid: Osvaldo Alonso | Evans | Ianni, Seamon
Left Back: Leo Gonzalez | Tyson Wahl | Scott, Danny Earls
Right Back: James Riley | Zach Scott | Ianni, Evans, Parke
Center Back: Jhon Kennedy Hurtado, Jeff Parke, Patrick Ianni | Julien Baudet | Tyrone Marshall, Taylor Graham
Keeper: Kasey Keller | Terry Boss
I see the biggest needs for improvement in depth at both Center Midfield roles, in Left Back both starting and depth, in Right Back depth. Over the next week we'll find out more about the cap space available, but it isn't much at this time, essentially being just the monies from annual cap expansion. DP changes could effect that as well. If Montero as 3rd DP happens it could lower his cap value, since every team got new allocation dollars.
At this time Seattle has the 4 picks in the first two rounds of the SuperDraft to help as well, and it should be expected that those go to two or more Generation Adidas players.
It would be better if every role in the Arrow was filled with bolded players, and maybe Fucito makes the leaps I expect (9/4), and that would help at the WF/RW/LW. The two Rapids players could be better than they are made out to be and help depth on the backline quite a bit.
One thing is clear. The Sounders, and MLS as a whole, aren't done making changes prior to the Primary Transfer Window opening in January.
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Players like Sturgis have under-appreciated tactical value
Just because Sigi decided to run more of a 4-2-3-1 with 2 defensive mids in Alonso and Sturgis doesn’t mean he wasn’t valuable. Complaining that Sturgis is lacking as a DLP or B2B CM is akin to complaining that Montero is lacking as a target man.
He was, essentially, our #2 CDM behind Alonso, and the logic that his loss will force an upgrade at CM is flawed, because this implies he was a “Brad Evans” CM, which he never was. We can’t ask Alonso to play all 46+ potential competitive matches next year, and he needs a deputy at that position. Evans, Ianni, and Seamon are all best utilized in other roles in this system.
...that's MISTER Keller to you!!!
Every player is replacable. Nobody wanted to lose either Nyassi or Sturgis, but with the depth the Sounders
had, it was inevitable that they were losing two players. They both were contributors to a decent team, but there were several teams that were better. The Sounders need to get better and they have all offseason to find replacements and add depth. The Sounders added two main pieces during this past season and that could happen again. The roster we see today won’t be the roster that we see by the time the season starts. So, I am not worried about losing Nyassi or Sturgis. The Sounders have shown they can scout with the best of them.
I wish both players well…. but, not too well.
I agree with you...
Sturgis was good at playing the 2nd CDM and helped eleviate all the work that Alonso has to do sitting right in front of the defense.
I just hope that we start playing with a “Brad Evans” type CM so that we can then move the ball better through the middle of the field and also up the wings (something I think that we lacked badly against LA in the playoffs). If that means that Evans comes back into the roll now that he should be getting healthier or we go out and get one is still up in the air a bit (or even Alvaro moves into that roll and Fucito is out on the wing I would also be fine with depending on the play of those two).
With JKH and Parke healthy, Ianni won't be getting as many CB minutes
and is a decent backup for Alonso at CDM
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He's likely to start
every non-league game at CB, so can’t be the CDM in those.
Currently I expect 12 non-league matches.
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How did LA escape without a single loss from their roster?
by DiehardSoundersFan on Nov 24, 2010 2:49 PM PST reply actions
They
traded an international slot to Portland thus Portland wasn’t gonna pick a LA player.
Regarding cap space
Most GA players have big contracts that come with them. Would we really pick up a couple? Are there special rules for GA players and their cap impact?
GA = Cap Exempt
At least that’s what I remeber reading a couple months ago.
by MicahRowe18 on Nov 24, 2010 3:19 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Exactly correct
GA, HGP, Reserve and the Developmental/Protected players are exempt, but Dev/Pros are min senior salary guys. Reserves are 33k.
GA and HGP can have good contracts
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Thanks guys
I thought they just didn’t count against senior roster.
by chrisperry1983 on Nov 25, 2010 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
Size in the midfield
I’d like to see us pick up a CM with a little size. If our mid field turned sideways, it wouldn’t cast a shadow on the ground. We need a guy or two that can play enforcer and match up with the Connor Casey’s of the world in the mid field battles.
Is Shalrie Joseph available? I’d give him PBP’s money.
Midfielders don't often meet up with forwards like Casey
Except in set-play situations.
Seamon is a 6 footer, probably the bulkiest of the current mids.
Joseph not available.
Although the upcoming Searching for Frees post does have a CDM or two in it.
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See, that's a joke about Joseph being available.
I’d be surprised if they don’t DP him soon.
We lose an awful lot of long ball battles to those types of forwards
We just get pushed around and at this point, I’ve given up on Keller learning to roll the ball to our team vs just punting it into the middle.
Nkufo and Jaqua are the targets for Keller punts
But it has to be the CBs that stop the opposing with Alonso getting 2nd balls.
It wouldn’t be the best idea to have a CM that came that far back on defense every time their keeper got the ball. He’d be winded by half.
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Then Keller is really awful at punting
cause he keeps putting it near some player for the other team that is man handling Sturgis at that moment.
My point
Is that we are super small on offense.
Alonso, Montero, Zakuani, Evans or even Seamon, not going to win any prizes for body building. It just makes it easier for other teams to come out and play physical against us in the middle of the park. I’d like to see a guy with a little bulk as a option in mid field that could battle the De Ro’s and Joseph’s of the world.
We are just really one dimensional and if you play rough against us, we don’t have any tactical answers.
Remember half the season looked weak up top
because there was no Target Man.
With Alvaro instead of Sanna that’s more of an air winner. Not that I’m saying Alvaro is good, but compared to Sanna?
Evans > Sturgis in the air as well.
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Yeah we will be much taller this year
And I’m hoping that either Alvaro or Fucito is the answer on delivering corner kicks.
I’m much happier about our ability to attack in the air next year, but I just can’t help but feel that Alvaro isn’t a tough guy and will get the “Ljungberg” from the opponents. You know, any time he touches the ball, fouled badly.
This is what I was thinking when I saw the team possible moving away from the "Bucket" by leaving Sturgis unprotected.
Do you see Evans providing more of an attacking role in front of Alonso? Or basically just doing what Sturgis did but a little better.
Well yes, the Bucket was forced by injuries
That’s why I call it Sigi’s Arrow, or a 4-1-1-3-1
Or a CDM with CM pairing as Sigi’s preference. It is what he’s done with much of his time. One of the two CM is a box-to-box guy.
Search for Sigi’s Arrow in the search box and read more. Or here’s a look from late last year.
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Honest assesment
Starting day 2012, is it Evans or Seaman starting in midfield?
I'm going to bet on Evans
but there’s a chance he moves backwards to improve his national team hopes.
He isn’t that much older than Seamon. IIRC 25 v 23?
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What about Fernandez?
Why would he not be the starting CAM now that the defensive style of Sturgis is not an option. Wouldn’t Fucito to the right wing effectively replace Nyassi? Somehow Fernandez is being looked at like a pretty good player, not a top dog. He scored some nice goals and has shown really good vision, all off the bench. Also, in the second half of the Galaxy game, he looked like the pressure was no problem. Playing in those pressure packed World Cup games will do that. I just think Sigi kept Sturgis in center because of the don’t fix what aint broken idea.
Seattle will not play a Diamond Midfield as long as Montero is on the Team
Alvaro won’t be the CAM, because they don’t use one.
My preference would be that he be the CM in a box-2-box style like Evans was, with Fucito on the right wing if Seattle continues to play the 4-1-1-3-1 that Sigi has used for the vast majority of his time coaching.
But I expect that Evans will be the CM and Alvaro the RM.
Of course, Seattle could shift to a 4-1-2-3 and I would have Alvaro starting over Evans with Evans backing up all three midfield roles.
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You gotta remember
Seamon only joined the team in June. He arrived straight out of college with no contract and was playing in his 3rd or 4th game and pretty much handled the backup duties for the remainder of the season. I would like to see what he can do with a full training camp. He is much more of an attacker
Right, primarily a Forward in college
He’s still learning the mid at this level
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I am very high on Seamon long term
That’s why I ask the question. If Evans stumbles a bit this year, Seamon could grab the job.
O'Brien White slots in at backup target forward
Does this make Noonan expendable?
I kid.
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That sucks for Sturgis
Hopefully TFC gets it turned around while he’s there. I’m not sure that is a great locker room to be in. At least they have a good-sized fanbase (for now).
I'm
amazed TFC was willing to give up a first rounder.
Wow, the Sounders could have got a 1st round pick for Sturgis?
No offense because Sturgis was not a bad player, but there was a reason he has been left unprotected twice. I wonder what the Sounders could get for a really good player?
A lot of these trades have been odd.
Why would TFC not trade White to us for allocation before the draft?
Why would we not trade Sturgis for a first-round pick?
I guess maybe teams hope they can keep a player first, and think about trades second. Certainly we knew we weren’t going to lose Vagenas in the draft. But now that we’ve lost Sturgis and Nyassi and then seen Vancouver make relative hay from them, you wonder why we hadn’t explored that option, as well.
by Cornchops on Nov 25, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe
the team feels they can get better players specifically in the mid outside the superdraft shrug. Hard to say what Adrian is planning.
Yeah, but if we get a 1st round pick for Sturgis, for example,
then someone else goes in the expansion draft. So look at it like that – sure we didn’t get anything for him per se, but we could have lost Ianni or Nkufo or someone. I’d much rather have those two known quantities and not Sturgis than have gotten something for Sturgis, have lost Nkufo and/or Ianni and have an unknown quantity with a draft pick (which we already have a few of this year anyway).
If they dealt him
they wouldn’t have to protect him.
He was the 2nd pick from Sounders
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