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Always Use Protection

I know what you're thinking. 'But sidereal, it's too soon. We're still crying in our delicious array of Northwestern microbrews about the Sounders starters looking like a JV team for the fourth time in a row against the Galaxy.' Well suck it up, camper, because the expansion draft is scheduled for November 24, just a couple of weeks away.

Enter The Protectinator. Many will enter. Nobody wins. Check the 11 players that you think should be protected from the expansion draft and we'll tally up the results.

PlayerVotesPct PlayerVotesPct
1. Steve Zakuani7580.9915. Nate Jaqua2250.29
2. Fredy Montero7550.9816. Nathan Sturgis1610.21
3. Osvaldo Alonso7360.9617. Miguel Montaño1350.18
4. Alvaro Fernandez7260.9518. Mike Seamon380.05
5. Jhon Kennedy Hurtado6770.8819. Roger Levesque330.04
6. Jeff Parke6120.8020. Tyrone Marshall270.04
7. Blaise Nkufo6110.8021. David Estrada250.03
8. Patrick Ianni5770.7522. Terry Boss150.02
9. Kasey Keller5110.6723. Pat Noonan100.01
10. Mike Fucito4480.5824. Pete Vagenas90.01
11. Leo Gonzalez4070.5325. Taylor Graham80.01
12. James Riley3870.5026. Zach Scott60.01
13. Sanna Nyassi2900.3827. Tyson Wahl40.01
14. Brad Evans2460.32

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Wow, getting to nine was easy...

But those last two spots were hard to pick. Sorry Jaqua!

Karma police, arrest this man.

by wyte_lightning on Nov 9, 2010 1:59 PM PST reply actions  

Agreed.

Kind of surprised Alvaro wasn’t unanimous.

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by JWAY on Nov 9, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, he didn't start very much.

This could be someone’s reasoning. It’s not my reasoning.

by yuniform on Nov 9, 2010 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Ya

I think he’s probably a key component of our long term plan, but right now, he is a 300k sub who plays outside his natural position.

by CapHillSounder on Nov 9, 2010 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

You don't think..

Next year things will be different? He’s pretty talented

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by JWAY on Nov 9, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes. He'll be more integrated next year.

Also, you have to account somewhat for trolls and such. People may not like his CHILDISH goal celebration.

by yuniform on Nov 9, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

What celebration

I do not remember anything other than crediting montero.

by lysander on Nov 9, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

He sucked his thumb

Apparently it was aimed at his newborn baby.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Nov 9, 2010 5:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Or Zakuani and Montero

They actually got 99% each. I’m thinking Really!. Who would leave Zakuani or Montero unprotected? And 4% of people left Alonso unprotected too! Really? The top three are pretty hard to dispute in my mind.

by DiehardSoundersFan on Nov 12, 2010 5:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Damn, this is painful.

I’m assuming a couple things:

I think the FO will leave Nkufo and Keller unprotected to free up more spots.

I’ve heard rumors that Nkufo may be headed to Vancouver to be a little closer to his family there. If not, his age and salary are up there and he’s unlikely to be taken.

And I doubt either team would take Keller, again because of his age and salary.

Presumptuous of me, I know – but what the hell, eh?

With that said, I’d protect:

Fucito – Jaqua – Montero

Zakuani – Alonso – Sturgis – Fernandez

Gonzalez – Hurtado – Parke – Riley

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by Michael Wiegand on Nov 9, 2010 2:07 PM PST reply actions  

I wouldn't

assume that they won’t take Keller. If the best GKs is available in the draft it would be most likely they would get taken.

by gstommylee on Nov 9, 2010 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Really?

Portland have already signed Cronin to the MLS team. They have their GK. So why would Vancouver take an expensive (albiet good) GK with one (maybe two) year left in the tank when they could get somebody younger and better for their future?

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by Michael Wiegand on Nov 9, 2010 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Salaries

are a moot point when it comes to expansions cause the expansion team can renegotiate them. Keller’s contract expired this year anyways.

Cronin isn’t that good and i have heard Vancouver may take a GK in the expansion draft.

I honestly don’t trust boss taking over the #1 GK spot at this point.

Its not worth the risk to create a possible mess both PR and finding another quality Kepper immediately.

by gstommylee on Nov 9, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Even if they do re-negotiate...

…the cost for either Keller or Nkufo will still be high for what they can provide long-term.

Portland must think Cronin is passable to have signed him.

And none of this accounts for any under-the-table deals that Adrian may have going to protect more than XI by unconventional means (offering VAN/POR a draft pick or a later trade in exchange for not taking guys left open).

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by Michael Wiegand on Nov 9, 2010 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Why would we think that an expansion team with huge cap room can't fit guys

When Seattle can and has very little cap room?

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by Dave Clark on Nov 9, 2010 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

The argument isn't that they couldn't fit guys...

…it’s that the money could be better spent on a couple younger guys. If it were me running these clubs, I wouldn’t take a guy knowing he’s gonna hang it up in a year. New teams need continuity going forward. Maybe that’s just me though…

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by Michael Wiegand on Nov 9, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Why would Van/Port

take a draft pick when they can get a couple players that already have MLS experience for free.

We would most likely be trading players which means we would still lose a guy anyways.

by gstommylee on Nov 9, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh

I could definitely see Portland taking UP legend Keller as a first-year promotional tool. Don’t get the sense that season tickets are all that hot among casual fans yet. He’d be a guy to get buts in seats to check out the new product.

Anyway I get the sense that Hahnemann could be in Seattle as early as 2012. Worth a risk.

by Samuelson on Nov 15, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Kasey is good

But he struggled early and even admitted it might be time to hang it up. He turned it around, but how many more years does he have?

If I’m Portland and Vancouver I would be afraid that I would have a one year rental of a keeper that solves no long term problems and might be a step slower next year.

And before people jump on me, I love Kasey. But we can’t ignore that he was a little slower at the start of the year, was more banged up this year than last, and is yet another year older going into next year. For an expansion team I think he’s a risk at this point.

by 02Coug on Nov 9, 2010 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Love it!

Well played, sidereal. Just hope the FOs of Portland and Vancouver don’t get ahold of this.

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by chrisso on Nov 9, 2010 2:08 PM PST reply actions  

Really, five defenders over 50%?

I had Ianni and Hurtado. I get that some folks think more highly of Parke than I do, but if the FO protects more than three defenders, it is acting out of sentimentality.

by ChPitiFuentes on Nov 9, 2010 2:15 PM PST reply actions  

Well that 50% mark makes it 12 players

so, I wouldn’t say that 50% has much meaning.

People are shuffling a ton in the last 1-3 players

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by Dave Clark on Nov 9, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

It at least solidifies the conventional wisdom among readers.

There are 12 at 49% or above, but a large gap after the top eight at 80 percent.
So, if the team omits one of those remaining four, it wouldn’t be much of a surprise.

by yuniform on Nov 9, 2010 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmmm....

One non-sentimentality argument would be that they feel continuity is important, which I think you can somewhat make the case for.

Personally, I think Ianni and Hurtado are no-brainers. On top of that, I put Parke on but not Leo on these grounds: couldn’t Parke be as good a left back as Leo? Better maybe? If you have a back line of Parke-Ianni-Hurtado-Riley, then late in games where you are down a goal, you could even just fully push Riley up as a right midfielder and go with a three-man back line, which I think would be a nice tactical adjustment to have in your arsenal that wouldn’t require burning a sub.

I put Riley on just because I’m kind of terrified of Scott and Wahl, and Riley knows the system.

I think it’s easier to justify protecting more defenders just because we have so much less depth in defense, compared to, say, outside mids.

by ubelmann on Nov 9, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I had five defenders

I put down five defenders but the only three I would definitly protect are the center backs. One thing that none of us know is what the FO thinks they can pick up in free agency/trades. I’d put the outside backs as a prime place for us to upgrade this offseason so if that’s the plan I’d leave them unprotected.

by snu on Nov 9, 2010 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

This was not quite as hard as I thought it would be

I definitely thought of the list strategically, rather than as a Best XI list. For me, the Sounders don’t have anyone who can exactly replace Fucito, so he’s more important to protect than, say, Sturgis or Evans, who are more or less interchangeable (to me.) And with the way that the draft works, if Sturgis or Evans got picked, it would be painful, but you could keep the other. And no matter what, one of those guys is going to be riding the pine next year, and you figure that losing bench players is the name of the game in the expansion draft.

by ubelmann on Nov 9, 2010 2:16 PM PST reply actions  

Simlarly...

…I could see taking a gamble and exposing Nkufo and Jaqua, on the merit that they are very similar, and one of them is going to back up the other if we keep both of them. If one of them got picked, you could then protect the other. Not sure about how attached Nkufo is to the Sounders or the Sounders are to Nkufo, though, managing that relationship matters since he came a long way to play here, and you wouldn’t want other players on the roster to feel as though the Sounders view them more as commodities than people. In that vein, there’s no way I would expose Keller. I just think it’s a PR disaster even to expose him.

by ubelmann on Nov 9, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Its beyond PR

Not protecting your captain sends a horrible message to all current and prospective players that they aren’t going to be viewed as anything more than a body wearing a jersey. The Sounders FO doesn’t think that way and they wouldn’t want anyone thinking they do.

by RobertC3 on Nov 9, 2010 7:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I was tempted to protect Evans

I ultimately decided against it because I’d like to see Alvaro playing CM and putting Fucito on the wing.

by magistermilitum on Nov 9, 2010 9:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Only surprise so far is that Evans isn't being protected

You can’t forget about him just because he’s hurt. He was a USMNT right back/midfield option very recently…

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by sidereal on Nov 9, 2010 2:33 PM PST reply actions  

Well, that was pretty much the USMNT C team, so I'm not sure how much weight to put in that

I have a hard time saying that Evans is really better than Sturgis. Sturgis has way more caps for the USMNT U-20 team than Evans, and then Sturgis had injury problems. Evans has also had injury problems. I feel that both are really solid midfielders for this league, but one of them (if not both, should Alvaro play CM next year) will wind up on the bench, and it’s tough to protect bench guys in the expansion draft when you can only protect 11. If either Sturgis or Evans gets picked (seems equally likely in my book), then you protect the other. You’d still be two deep at the second center-mid spot along Alonso.

I could see some sense in protecting one or the other and ditching a fullback from the list, on the thought that Sturgis or Evans could potentially cover at that position. I’m not sure how well that switch would go.

by ubelmann on Nov 9, 2010 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Evans gives good Riley cover

and we don’t have any fullback depth, especially given that at least one and possibly both are going to have to be left unprotected. Not sure how the Sturge is at fullback, but I haven’t been overwhelmed with his distribution ability. I think that’s Alvaro’s spot, and Evans deserves a shot to back him up.

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by sidereal on Nov 9, 2010 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Honestly, if we could somehow sneak through the draft keeping both of them...

…and most of our other pieces, it would be great. With Flaco and Alonso as our #1 center mid tandem, we’d potentially have Evans and Sturgis as our #2 center mid tandem, which could well be the best backup combo in the league at those spots. It would be great to have that for USOC and CCL play, plus with the reserve league they could get some minutes to stay sharp. This expansion draft is killing me, though. For competing in multiple competitions, it would be great to keep all four of Nkufo, Jaqua, Montero, and Fucito, and it would be great to keep all four of Alonso, Alvaro, Sturgis, and Evans. It almost seems like the expansion draft hurts current sides more than it helps the new ones. Certainly some of our expansion picks have been good for us, but the existing clubs would have been that much stronger had they been able to keep those players.

by ubelmann on Nov 9, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

this was exactly my thought

and why I didn’t include either Evans or Riley in my list. Left Keller off, I don’t see him being taken (if Vancouver is going for a well-aged keeper, it’s hometown boy Onstad).

I’m surprised how many people were not considering Montano. A bit of a hothead, tons of potential. It wouldn’t surprise me to see him become a regular next year…errr, assuming someone gives Sigi a push.

by PeterJH on Nov 9, 2010 9:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Why would you not protect...

The 2 outside backs that play every minute that they are available to protect fucito who has scored one goal in the MLS when the other team was boarding the after match bus. does that make him more valuable than Riley and Leo. I shudder at the alternatives outside of those two.

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by Ravengreen on Nov 9, 2010 3:16 PM PST reply actions  

He also scored 3 goals

in CCL against must harder teams + one against Chivas in the friendly. RB’s are one of the most easily spots to find a replacement.

You have to look at how many Points per Game stat and Fucito is the highest on this team at 3.19.

by gstommylee on Nov 9, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Of course

that 3.19 is only based on competitive matches.

by gstommylee on Nov 9, 2010 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Its a want rather than a reality pick

I think people who are protecting Fucito are doing it based on what they want him to be rather than what he is/will be for the Sounders. Just like LeToux exploded into very good player when he left, Fucito may, but he is not likely to get the chance with the Sounders. If Sigi et al saw him as many here see him he would get playing time. That he doesn’t says all that I need to hear about him. He is exciting, but they view him as at best a second sub off the bench.

by RobertC3 on Nov 9, 2010 8:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it's more what people see as potential rather than what they want to see

Fucito appears to me to have smarts and a great finishing touch. I think those can be pretty tough to come by. He might not pan out, but I think some of the other players have more generic skill sets.

by ubelmann on Nov 9, 2010 9:48 PM PST up reply actions  

So where are all these good outside backs???

We sure could use some cover at that position

Fucito is still a reserve with no right foot and or the touch to be a starter. Yet

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by Ravengreen on Nov 9, 2010 3:37 PM PST reply actions  

Riley was my 11th not Fucito

I think Fucito AND Riley are on a lot of peoples top 11. Just the question comes back to future vs proven.

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by chrisso on Nov 9, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Many of us

feel if Fucito is left unprotected hes gone. Why protect Riley at which is a spot that can easily be replaced vs Fucito who has produced at most of every opportunity he was given.

by gstommylee on Nov 9, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I have Riley and Fucito in

Keller and Nkufo out. That’s how I made them fit.

by chrisperry1983 on Nov 9, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Why

leave Nkufo and Keller out?

by gstommylee on Nov 9, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Mainly a gamble that I think would work out

Keller is 40 years old. He will likely command a larger salary than teams would probably want to spend. I know he is up for renegotiation right now and contracts are renegotiated if they are taken in the expansion, but it will still probably be a higher salary. Regarding age, I don’t think people would want to waste an expansion pick on someone who’s going to retire after next season. I would assume expansion picks would be to help build for the long term, or to use as tradebait for some other deal. Both teams have also signed their current keepers, both with MLS experience. I think if anything they’d be looking for a solid backup or another that’s on par with their current signings.

With Nkufo, his age and nearing retirement are along the same lines as Keller. For Nkufo too, his salary is another big factor. I know he’d be up for a renegotiation, but if a team is looking for a DP caliber player, I think they’d want to find one and assess how they’d work in the team rather than take one in the draft and contract appropriately.

I do think Nkufo would be a bigger risk than Keller, with his family in Vancouver and all. But I think both are risks worth taking. Worst case in my opinion is Nkufo is taken, but then would be the time that we move Jaqua or Fucito into that target man position and see what we can do.

by chrisperry1983 on Nov 9, 2010 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Jaqua

hasn’t shown anything in MLS play since he came off the IL. N’kufo provides a lot to this team more than Jaqua has this season. Fucito isn’t a TF. Fucito is the replacement more montero once he heads to europe.

Seattle needs to protect a TF in the draft and it anit Jaqua imo.

Now with Keller who do we have that we can relay on to be the next starting GK if by chance he is taken. I don’t think Boss is that answer.

by gstommylee on Nov 9, 2010 5:33 PM PST up reply actions  

He just needs to get back into form

It’s hard for him to do that when he gets 10 minutes a game, if that. I think once he gets back into the system he’d get back in form and be productive again. I’m definitely not saying we should get rid of Nkufo. I’m just saying I don’t think there’d be a good chance of him being taken.

I agree 100% with you that Boss is not the answer. I bet though if it came down to it, we could find a keeper if Keller was taken. Heck look at all the keepers last draft that were left open. Plus with Hannemann wanting to come back, that appears to be an option (I know there’s the reallocation draft, etc but I am sure there are ways to make it work)

In all though, I’m confident Keller wouldn’t get picked. Obviously though, this is like playing with Monopoly money for me, there’s no risk on my part to say Keller should be unprotected.

by chrisperry1983 on Nov 9, 2010 7:39 PM PST up reply actions  

i'm sure he would

but i just don’t think its worth protecting him this time around.

by gstommylee on Nov 9, 2010 8:10 PM PST up reply actions  

KC goal

was a one-touch right footed rocket at a tough angle from a bouncing ball.

Fucito’s right is better than Leo’s.

by Cornchops on Nov 9, 2010 7:51 PM PST up reply actions  

And he's not right footed

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by Dave Clark on Nov 9, 2010 8:06 PM PST up reply actions  

that is totally incorrect Ravengreen

Fucito has an EXCELLENT right foot, and he’s more equally balanced in shooting with either foot with power than Montero. He scored most of his goals with his right foot. Do your homework…
As far as being a reserve, he is because the Coach is just plain stubborn. He has been with both Fucito and Flaco. And it cost him. And he’s taking heat for it as we speak.
He should have started the Houston game.
The playoff strategy was abysmal from the outset. It was a no-brainer that Flaco needed to start at CAM in game 1, at home, to aggressively attempt to score multiple goals before heading back to LA. (I’m on record with that) And Nyassi needed to be replaced at 30 mins into the 1st half, and never seen again.
Instead, he went conservative, got outcoached decisively, and didn’t adjust to the defensive tactics until the 2nd half of game 2. And then he FINALLY decides to bring onto the field the hottest scorer on the team, when LA is already packed in with a 3 goal lead. Not exactly brilliant.. Zakuani’s total frustration and quotes reinforces his displeasure with the game plan, and my point.
The best offensive showing (and only goal) by Seattle was when Flaco and Fucito were on the field, and it was too late by then. Give Fucito any space at all, and he’ll give a defense fits, because he creates space, makes great runs, and can actually hit the target.. he served up 3 excellent balls in the box in game 2. 2 with his RIGHT foot, and 1 header for a gimme that Alonso missed from point blank range.
Personally, I hope Fucito goes elsewhere, for his sake. He’s got far greater upside than LeToux ever will, and there are plenty of coaches not so set in their ways to recognize what an impact player he is…
This isn’t about talent, it’s about tunnel-vision.
I suggest you watch the “Sounders FC Goals 2010” for enlightenment.

by roadrunner11 on Nov 10, 2010 9:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Performance in the league

is really the only way to judge and compare players.

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by Ravengreen on Nov 9, 2010 3:38 PM PST reply actions  

I'm so glad that isn't true

No players that don’t start would ever get a chance to start

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by Dave Clark on Nov 9, 2010 5:08 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Mine will be up tonight or tomorrow

Jer gave me a writing assignment…

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by Dave Clark on Nov 9, 2010 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll post one very soon too

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Nov 9, 2010 5:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Look at it this way....

Who would you absolutely hate to see on Portand or Vancover?
Keller would obviously be a complete disaster. And Fucito — I can easily imagine him killing us for the next 10 years. Do you really want that guy with his lightening speed and clinical finishing on our worst enemy?

by Alex Morrison on Nov 9, 2010 4:25 PM PST reply actions  

Question about NKufo

Does he have a no trade clause in his contract obligating us to protect him? I was wondering if he specifically wanted to be in Seattle to be near his family until they could properly immigrate from BC.

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by reesebw on Nov 9, 2010 4:25 PM PST reply actions  

no no-trade clause as far as we know

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Nov 9, 2010 5:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually no, I picked Levesque over, now I think on it.

by Targaff on Nov 9, 2010 5:36 PM PST up reply actions  

No, I just like to see gratuitous facial hair in the upper echelons of football. How many beards do you see in the Prem these days? None, that’s how many.

Looks like Leo’s just dropped out of the top 11 now, too. I know he got beat later in the season, but he’s still competent – he was actually pretty good in the playoffs – and I think we’ll find it far more of a struggle to replace him than we would Riley on the right wing.

by Targaff on Nov 10, 2010 8:43 AM PST up reply actions  

I love Levesque

but I kept him off my 11. I feel like I betrayed him or something.

by chrisperry1983 on Nov 9, 2010 7:40 PM PST up reply actions  

ditto

I love Levesque too. He is all heart..

by roadrunner11 on Nov 10, 2010 9:16 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm surprised Leo is making the cut, currently, over Riley.

He really seemed to have lost a step this year, but maybe that was just me.

by Menthu Ra on Nov 9, 2010 7:13 PM PST reply actions  

Seriously!

I like Leo, but he’s slowing down, bad. Getting burned left and right…I think we should start looking at other options.

by chrisperry1983 on Nov 9, 2010 7:40 PM PST up reply actions  

That's exactly how I picked as well.

The last 1/3rd of the season, Leo seemed so slow. Idk if he was nursing an injury or what, but he was looking extremely vulnerable virtually every match.

Karma police, arrest this man.

by wyte_lightning on Nov 10, 2010 12:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Apparently some players' family members found the link

I pray that’s the explanation for the votes for Scott, Noonan, Vagenas…

by LordIceman on Nov 9, 2010 7:23 PM PST reply actions  

seriously!!

haha.
unless it was a joke? or someone felt bad for them

by Sandra_R on Nov 9, 2010 7:26 PM PST up reply actions  

all 26 players now have at least one vote

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Nov 9, 2010 7:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Your own picks are now in bold

Just in case you forgot

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by sidereal on Nov 9, 2010 7:31 PM PST reply actions  

I think there were 27 on the list

I don’t see a vote for Taylor Graham. Quick, somebody send the link to his mom!

by LordIceman on Nov 9, 2010 7:41 PM PST reply actions  

Sounders 2009 Protected List

In case we’ve forgotten:

Alonso, Osvaldo
Evans, Brad
Gonzalez, Leo
Hurtado, Jhon Kennedy
Ianni, Patrick
Jaqua, Nate
Keller, Kasey
Ljungberg, Freddie
Marshall, Tyrone
Montero, Fredy
Zakuani, Steve

by LordIceman on Nov 9, 2010 7:52 PM PST reply actions  

So...

Alonso, Osvaldo
Evans, Brad Fernandez, Alvaro
Gonzalez, Leo
Hurtado, Jhon Kennedy
Ianni, Patrick
Jaqua, Nate
Keller, Kasey
Ljungberg, Freddie Nkufo, Blaise
Marshall, Tyrone Parke, Jeff
Montero, Fredy
Zakuani, Steve

If you want to protect Fucito, you have to leave Leo or Jaqua open.
If you want to protect Riley you have to leave Leo open.

by magistermilitum on Nov 9, 2010 9:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Fucito...

I love his potential. But, I personally think its crazy talk to have him in the 11 protected right now.

by jacobcda on Nov 9, 2010 8:04 PM PST reply actions  

Evans over Fucito...

is the only difference I had in voting over what the majority has currently

by jacobcda on Nov 9, 2010 8:06 PM PST up reply actions  

sorry

but i wouldn’t go that far to put evans over Fucito.

by gstommylee on Nov 9, 2010 8:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Mostly

cause i doubt Evans whos currently hurt will get drafted.

by gstommylee on Nov 9, 2010 8:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I wasn't taking into account

as a factor to who might be drafted. Because after all, there is plenty of time for a player to heal before next season starts.

by jacobcda on Nov 9, 2010 8:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Right

Its not as if people are leaving Hurtado unprotected because of the injury.

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by Dave Clark on Nov 9, 2010 8:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Interesting.

10 of the 11 I protected were also protected by the majority of voters.

My last choice was to protect Montano in favor of Gonzalez but I have no rational reason for doing that other than I think Montano has a lot of potential and I’d hate to lose him.

by ryanhealy on Nov 9, 2010 8:04 PM PST reply actions  

for me it was 9 out of 11

i protected montano and riley instead of fucito and ianni

by Sandra_R on Nov 9, 2010 8:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm baffled by Montano over Fucito

Both have very limited minutes

what do you see from the younger that you like more than the older?

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by Dave Clark on Nov 9, 2010 8:18 PM PST up reply actions  

i really liked how he played when he got playing time earlier in the season, he seemed as one of the team. and yeah i get the whole red card issue got him in the doghouse but in the mls games he played in i really liked what i saw. And with more development and also with him getting more comfortable in the US i can see him becoming really good. Also he kind of reminds of montero last year.

and i like fucito too but between the two i think montano has the more natural talent and more room to grow. And i also had a hard time cutting my list down to 11. My next two would be fucito and ianni.

by Sandra_R on Nov 9, 2010 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I think that what Fuctio has, you can't teach

You can teach Fucito to get better in midfield and defense if you need to, to improve his fitness, whatever he needs. But I just don’t think you can teach a guy to be a clinical finisher like he is. Montano might end up being very good (in fact I think he could easily be the star of the Reserve League next season if he plays in it), but I don’t think he’ll ever be the finisher that Fucito is.

by Nevtelen on Nov 10, 2010 9:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Nyassi leading votes over Jaqua?

Perhaps I’m wrong, but hasn’t Jaqua contributed more goals in the few appearances he’s had in USOC and a sub than Nyassi has as a starter? And don’t we have more much more depth in midfield wide players than we do in Target Forwards? Madness!

But I think I forgot to vote for Fernandez and protected Riley instead. ooops.

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by reesebw on Nov 9, 2010 10:11 PM PST reply actions  

USOC games

were being played on expect for the final on smaller pitches vs nyassi who with the expection of KC away game scored on larger pitches.

by gstommylee on Nov 9, 2010 10:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Larger pitches should help the wide players

not hurt them

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by Dave Clark on Nov 10, 2010 5:53 AM PST up reply actions  

And Jaqua plays better on smaller pitches

Field size is a wash when you’re considering Jaqua vs. Nyassi.

by Dizzo on Nov 10, 2010 9:08 AM PST up reply actions  

I just hope

vagenas and noonan and boss are proteted…

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by kelliott1527 on Nov 9, 2010 10:37 PM PST reply actions  

Nyassi?

I’m surprised to see him below Evans

by freethehenge323 on Nov 9, 2010 10:44 PM PST reply actions  

Difficult decisions but

I was also trying to keep an eye for the future. If Montero or Zak end up leaving on a transfer to Europe within a years time, then i want to have another year to let Fucito and Montano mature. I know Montero has probably staying with the news of the green card and house however, money talks and I don’t think for a minute if a solid club made a good offer, he would not find it too difficult to leave.

Montano is IMO is quick, has as many moves as Nyassi but also has better vision and passing ability. I think we can use him if Nyassi is gone or Zak ends up leaving in the future.

by fcjake on Nov 9, 2010 11:43 PM PST reply actions  

i definitely agree!

i just hope montano will want to stay through the off season because i bet he is frustrated with the little playing time he is getting.
because even in the last non mls games he was coming on as a sub

by Sandra_R on Nov 10, 2010 7:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Its not like not starting on a reserve side for a 2nd division argentine team would be bettter

because that was where he was before this.

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by Dave Clark on Nov 10, 2010 8:14 AM PST up reply actions  

AFAIK Montano is still on loan

I have a hard time believing the FO would burn a valuable protection slot on someone they don’t even have the international rights to. He may be a great player in the future, but he’s not right at the moment.

by Dizzo on Nov 10, 2010 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Quilmes.....

got promoted last year. They are currently last in the Primera Division (0-7-6). I still think he would like playing here more than there, that is as long as he is not homesick.

by murradus on Nov 10, 2010 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

He was on their Reserve Team

when they were in the 2nd division.

that’s my point.

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by Dave Clark on Nov 10, 2010 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Sad

Noonan got more votes than Wahl or Graham :(

by chrisperry1983 on Nov 10, 2010 2:39 PM PST reply actions  

Combined!

Noonan has 7 when I checked and Wahl and Graham have 3 each.
Double sad….

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by chrisso on Nov 12, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Top Nine Vote Getters Yes --- The other Two?

Facito or Jaqua
Evans or Sturgis

Potential over 2010
Health over 2010

by soccerG on Nov 10, 2010 4:48 PM PST reply actions  

Average age on opening day of current protected 11

27.7

Two players significantly skew the average

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by Dave Clark on Nov 12, 2010 1:32 PM PST reply actions  

I like this team going forward...

When we lose two of the players, we’ll be fine. Are we even guaranteed to lose two? I know there’s a max of losing two…

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by JWAY on Nov 12, 2010 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

no.

we can lose a max of two. each team can pick 11 players and there are 16 teams they can choose from.

so there is no guarantee we will lose two.

by Sandra_R on Nov 12, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

But we will

The combination of a pretty deep roster and the fact that we have 0 players we don’t have to protect (GA players, Academy signings, etc) means we’re going to have some of the better exposed players in the league. I’d be shocked if we didn’t lose two.

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by sidereal on Nov 12, 2010 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

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