Tomorrow Montero, Thursday the WORLD!
Actually likely not.
Sure, WorldSoccerReader and KING5 are both reporting that Fredy Montero is going to be extended/re-signed today. It seems likely that he's another Designated Player for Seattle. There are a ton of questions that arise if this is indeed what the Wed Noon Player Announcement is. Some of the answers will never be known.
But a few will start to take shape over the coming days.
With the strict cap how will Seattle still have depth without min/maxing? There is a strong possibility that Seattle becomes a team like Los Angeles or New York with a few players at high contracts, almost none at middle contracts, and many in the low ends. This doesn't have to be a problem, if the min. contract guys are good players capable of being better than average starters.
But without those middle contract quality guys it will make the non-League competitions that much harder to win. Seattle still has been quite firm that their goal is to win the CCL in their future. Those middle contract guys must be rotational quality players now.
To compete in more than one tournament the Sounders need to be have a league average starter and a high level rotational at every role. The weaknesses of the early 2010 season, and the poor start, actually had us pondering the usefulness of inverting the rotation in order to win non-League games like the Open Cup and CCL.
Looking back at the most recent depth chart Seattle is two deep at the Target Forward, either the WF or LW, either CM or RW, and at the centerback. If we believe that the spine is key to success (we do), then that's a good thing. Of the four chunks of positions with quality depth, it is notable that Seattle actually has depth where its DPs are. It does not have the depth in the wide positions, particularly on defense, nor at Keeper. There are ways to get around the cap and find more depth, we'll get to those in a bit.
This is just one of the issues with the 3rd DP and the Cap though.
Another problem is that it limits the ability of teams to discover talent, develop it and keep it. Now with 3 DPs this is certainly more possible than any other time, but the limits are there. Seattle won't have space for another U-25 potential MLS Best XI on the roster. Someone will eventually be sold on rather than kept.
This doesn't mean keeping Montero through this method is a bad idea. It is certainly better to control him longer, and earn more when he leaves, than to lose him now. Only those who are purely developed through the Sounders Academy can be kept, and then only on their HGP contracts.
Now, I'm quite stoked that the Seattle Sounders seem very likely to have Montero until his final contract entering his peak period. The same is already true for Alvaro Fernandez. We may see similar things with Steve Zakuani. This front office has found ways to get strong talents, in their youth to come here and stay. If they can keep this offensive core around for 2 or 3 years more each will likely leave to the best league of their life directly from MLS. This is a great change from MLS being a mere stepping stone from MLS, to Scandinavia, to somewhere like Belgium to one of the Big 5 (if the players are that good). MLS 3.0 may be a launching pad into the Big 5 leagues, which is a significant transition.
Again, it is a new era.
Not just 3 Designated Players, but also the new Home Grown Player (HGP) rules.
And this is one of the ways that teams like Seattle can get around the cash crunch.
Tristan Bowen and Juan Agudelo are the signs of what could be here in Seattle. Starting caliber talent, whether they start or not, but entirely off the salary cap (or budget limitations as Garber calls them). Seattle has a few players that could be keys here. Not by themselves, but as part of the overall plan. If even one of the potential HGPs are signed, and succeed they offset one bad contract at the mid-level. While the team is busy picking up options and negotiating contracts we can't know which contracts are as bad as last year but there are at least 3 that are purely over-valued.
The HGPs aren't the only salary relief though. Seattle has four picks in the first two rounds of the MLS SuperDraft. Every Generation Adidas player drafted has no cap hit (though these do expire in a few years). There are likely to be only 8-10 GA players in the draft (though 11 last year), but Seattle could grab a one to three of these capable of playing now and again soften their pressure at the mid-level of their contracts.
If Seattle has indeed signed Goleador as the third DP we should expect a combination of the following events, all to lessen the cap pressure while increasing the overall talent level of the team.
- Decline Options or Reduced Value of Non-Rotational Mid-Contract Players
- Sign Several HGPs Capable of Playing 500+ Minutes of League Ball
- Acquire One to Three Generation Adidas Players in the SuperDraft
No single move will be enough. Searching for Frees becomes a lot less important, because the team doesn't have room for significant international signings. But they do have room to add good players to their roster, players capable of helping the team win more trophies.
The questions that need to be asked is how the Sounders will have a team that competes in the CCL and MLS next year under the cap limitation? Does Montero's signing as a 3rd DP effect future Sounders signings of high level talent? Is this a further sign that Adrian Hanauer will continue to find pre-peak talent rather than the typical MLS DP entering the retirement era?
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Maybe I'm just a fresh egg...
But what’s to say that the Sounders don’t know more than we do, and make this kind of deal with the notion that the league financial rules will expand again soon?
It seems to me that the MLS has made several changes recently, and there’s no signs of them stopping. I guess that still limits our roster some what for this season…
A good poll question perhaps:
Which would you rather have Montero and focus on the MLS Cup, or a strong depth on the roster and compete better for everything? Neither options guarantees you anything, but would change the perception of odds. Thoughts?
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I might be a weirdo but I want international glory
CONCACAF to World Club Cup, more than anything else, then MLS Cup, then US Open, then Supporter’s Shield, in that order. I want my guys to beat the best by being last man standing—the regular season to me is just training and staging for the tournaments and playoffs.
by joesz on Dec 1, 2010 9:17 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I am with you...
Since the MLS Cup hasn’t seemed very exciting. The Open Cup Final was a better game to watch IMO. Let’s do something no MLS team has done before!
Terrible's what it is.
-Big George
The chatter is
That there may be more GenAd contracts given out this year with the expanded roster size and increased number of teams. It seems like every kid who has been signed as an HGP so far has a GenAd contract…just some food for thought.
All HGPs are GenAd
but with a team/shoe partnership, not league/shoe
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What do you mean
By team/shoe not league/shoe?
Can I apply for a commenter GenAd?
I’ll wear any shoe the blog wants.
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Plus
If you flame out, you get four years of college paid for! Zomg!
Meaning the HGP deals are with the team and Adidas
while GA are with League and Adidas
At least that’s my understanding.
HGPs are still always pending league approval for an appropriate number.
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But don't they fall
under the same guidelines? 4 year deals (usually 2 with 2 option years) and the guarantee of college paid for?
My understanding that the cash amounts are different
generally lower for HGPs.
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How can we accurately speculate about salary cap restrictions without knowing how much allocation money the team has?
Isn’t that how allocation money works? It allows you basically pay down your cap total, doesn’t it?
I think allocation isn't counted in the cap
So theoretically if you had $10 million in allocation, you could spend that entire amount to pay your players and not even touch your cap. Of course $10 million is probably not the case, but you get the idea. Or if you’re going ot exceed your cap by $100k, you could pay Parke in allocation since his salary is $100k. That sorta thing.
I think that’s how it works.
by chrisperry1983 on Dec 1, 2010 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
Right.
So, without knowing what we have in terms of allocation money it’s sort of impossible to know what the impact of any one signing will have on the teams flexibility with regards to the cap right?
No
because allocation is only in the couple hundred thousand dollar range for a non-expansion team that made the Playoffs.
While it is magic money/slush fund, it isn’t endless.
back of napkin Seattle’s cap number already increased more than the league cap number increased. Sure, Allocation can buy it down some, but the Sounders don’t have any Expansion Allocation left (that had to be used by end of season 2).
The team was tight at the end of the year and got tighter.
It is always good to have enough room to add a player during the secondary window (last year Sounders added two DPs)
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Trades and deletions
We could still cut a player or two, which would give us more room under the cap. Also, they may be working on trading a player for allocation money. I also think I read that teams that make the Champions League get an extra 100k of cap space.
The CCL bonuses are not yet official
There is a proposal to give allocation bonuses for teams based on their advancement in the CCL
ie Prelims = X$
Group = X+$
Knockouts = even more
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Alvaro Fernandez
Wasn’t he only a DP to take care of his transfer fee? If so, then Montero would only be DP #2, Fernandez’s cap hit would be lessened next year and they may be able to still look to the free transfer market for another DP.
Zero Details
Still no idea on how many years though. I guess this means that El Flaco is still a DP though since the headline is that he is our third DP.
Good for Fredy. Good for us!
He has skills now, and he’s still developing. This is a very smart move from the FO. I think Zakuani would also be a great DP choice as he is just as young and also extremely talented.
by DiehardSoundersFan on Dec 1, 2010 12:28 PM PST reply actions
yayy im happy for him!!
oh and the sounders got a shout out from USA bid committee!! for our attendance and parades!
El Flaco
How does the DP role work in his case? Can the club remove the DP designation only at certain times? In any case, not having to pay his transfer fee this year should open up quite a bit of cash- though not cap space or allocation$. Also- can we “lend” international slots to other quads in return for allocation money? It would seem that losing Nyassi and getting our top two emerging stars their green cards should give us some freedom to wheel and deal with the some slots.
As an aside: anyone know what Jamel Wallace is up to?
International slots can be traded
LA just traded one to Portland
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