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Several websites and blogs are quoting representatives of the MLS Player Union as saying that the two sides are still far apart on numerous issues and that a strike could be their only bargaining chip.

"In the last month, there’s been no significant movement at all," MLSPU Executive Board Member Pat Onstad said, according to Centerlinesoccer.com. "The last offer we put on the table has not even been remotely addressed. Right now, (the negotiations) are in a bad place. We’re far apart."

Talks are still ongoing, with a meeting scheduled for next week, but talk of a strike is definitely out there.

The players are apparently prepared to dig in on issues ranging from free agency to what kind of expenses players are expected to cover when changing teams. One of the bigger issues, apparently, is teams' ability to continue to control players' rights within MLS even after the teams have not shown interested in keeping those players.

"I know on our side, we’re prepared to strike if we have to for what we want," Earthquakes keeper Joe Cannon told Centerline. "If the owners feel as adamant about treating us like they do, that’s up to them. It’s their business."

I am promoting this to the frontpage so that you can share your thoughts on the issues, and track what will likely be numerous reports over the next 24 hours. Here is Ives post on the subject.

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Sounds worrisome.

I still can’t believe that both sides would shoot themselves in the foot/gut/head by delaying the season. Hopefully we can take some salt with these quotes, since they could just be bargaining banter.

But still. A little more worried this time than before.

by Cornchops on Feb 19, 2010 8:28 PM PST reply actions  

I'm shocked

This is completely opposite of everything I’ve heard over the past couple weeks. I know everything told was secondhand “friend of a friend told me” sorta stuff…but man. This scares me not only for the season but for soccer as a legitimate player in the US.

I want what’s best for the players, but the league is still fragile. This isn’t the time to overhaul everything.

by chrisperry1983 on Feb 19, 2010 8:37 PM PST reply actions  

I’m getting close to going from a Yes to trying to get tickets for the march 25th game to no I’m not and just watch from home for the entire season. This shouldn’t be taking this long to be taken care of and i blame both the league and the players union.

by gstommylee on Feb 19, 2010 9:28 PM PST reply actions  

Methinks this is a power play.

Union wants to put pressure on management. If they had intended to strike, they should have several weeks ago.

Simply stupid for the players to do this. If nothing else, they will end their own careers. Goal should be to take smaller steps toward the ideal.

by magistermilitum on Feb 19, 2010 10:15 PM PST reply actions  

You might be right

Could just be the union/union reps stoking the fire among fans and turning them against the league. I hope that’s the case. If not, goodbye MLS, and goodbye careers for all these players. Oh well, there’s always the Canadian league for them to go…

by chrisperry1983 on Feb 20, 2010 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Why assume it is the union?

I have actually seen this sort of behavior more out of the management side in labor negotiations. it could be that MLS strung the players along with happy talk until right up to the start of the season and then pulled the rug out from under them with demands that they take it or leave it.

We really don’t know and frankly assuming one side or the other with limited information tells us more about the commentators than it does the negotiations.

by brokejumper on Feb 20, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Hard to blame the players

If what they say is accurate, management essentially opened with a take-it-or-leave-it offer and haven’t shown any willingness to budge, mainly because they don’t believe players will actually strike. In some ways, this is the union’s only option if they are serious about making any gains — and what they’re looking for certainly sounds perfectly reasonable.

by Jeremiah Oshan on Feb 20, 2010 11:08 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

I don’t know who to take seriously anymore League or players?

by gstommylee on Feb 20, 2010 9:20 PM PST reply actions  

Jason at MatchFitUSA composites the Players PR attack

MLS PU Attack?

Yesterday’s sudden wave of noise from the Players was notable for it’s ratcheting up of the rhetoric. Out of nowhere, it seemed, the players rattled their sabers, letting anyone who would listen know that the League is holding things back. Playing the victims, as they’ve done throughout, they carefully and methodically chose the moment to let fly with a controlled message.


It started with two prominent soccer writers (Ives Galarcep and Jeff Carlisle) posting stories on the matter, with direct quotes from Pat Onstad in one case and Joe Cannon in the other. It continued on Twitter and Facebook…

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by Dave Clark on Feb 20, 2010 9:31 PM PST reply actions  

And MLS responds

Most of the same sources that reported on the MLS Players Union gave equal space the next day to the MLS response. In a nutshell, MLS claims they have given significant ground in almost all areas except free agency. Here’s the money quote from the Washington Post’s Steven Goff.

However, Abbott said the league will not budge on what appears to be the biggest issue in the talks: free agency within MLS. Under the current system, a team retains the rights to a player whose contract has expired, consequently making it difficult for a player to sign with another MLS club unless a trade is negotiated. Players are, however, free to sign with an international club.

by Jeremiah Oshan on Feb 21, 2010 9:52 AM PST reply actions  

For the sake of updating the situation

The head of the players union responded to MLS’s claim of their offer raising player compensation by $60 million over the life of the CBA.
He basically calls MLS’s formulations “fuzzy math.”

by Jeremiah Oshan on Feb 21, 2010 8:50 PM PST reply actions  

Interesting perspective on this

Here’s a link to the best ideas/analysis of the overall situation I’ve seen so far:

http://www.bigapplesoccer.com/columns/mytwocents.php?article_id=22680

Like this guy, I’m not really on the side of the players or the league. They both need to grow up a bit. I’m on the side of the fans. If there’s a work stoppage, it doesn’t matter who gives in first or who “wins”, the fans and the sport in this country lose.

by K61 on Feb 21, 2010 9:19 PM PST reply actions  

One more very good link

Here’s one more post with a deeper analysis of why, in the end, us fans shouldn’t worry:

http://soccerlaw.wordpress.com/2010/02/21/mls-and-union-cannot-risk-mutually-assured-destruction/

I’m curious what your thoughts are on these two perspectives.

by K61 on Feb 21, 2010 10:07 PM PST up reply actions  

totally agree

I really think the best thing the players could do is get whatever improvements they can get now, sign a relatively short-term deal and come back with more leverage in two or three years.

by Jeremiah Oshan on Feb 21, 2010 11:25 PM PST up reply actions  

offering a compromise

I don’t think either side has really compromised on the major issues at this point (at least that’s the impression I get from reading the rhetoric in the media). I think both side are looking for the other side to make the first concession, is what all this comes down to. Sigh…

by PeterJH on Feb 22, 2010 5:12 PM PST reply actions  

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