If MLS wants another Seattle, look at Austin
The addition of the Philadelphia Union gives MLS 16 teams. When Vancouver and Portland officially start in 2011, that will be 18. It's pretty clear that Montreal will end up being No. 19.
I think it's fair to say that No. 20 will be right around the corner, and that will halt expansion for a fair amount of time.
The smart money would seem to be on St. Louis being the lucky city. They already have an ownership group that is working on getting a bid together, which may end up being the only thing that ultimately matters. It got me wondering, though, which city in an ideal world, would make the best addition to MLS?
After going through demographic information, attendance figures and some other stuff like site location, I realized that none of it drew a direct line to what teams succeeded at the box office and which ones failed. Without a clear direction, I thought I'd look at the most successful MLS city to date -- Seattle -- and looked for the city that might best emulate it.
What I ended up deciding was Austin, Texas would make a great No. 20. Not only would the MLS team have the market of about 1.6 million people essentially all to itself, but the area's population, at least on paper would seem to be soccer friendly.
Add in the possibility of a three-team Texas rivalry and another city MLS supporters would actually want to visit, and suddenly you have the makings of a pretty attractive bid.
How I came to this decision is certainly unscientific, but it wasn't random, either. Here's some of the stuff I considered before ultimately deciding on this:
Obviously, the most important thing for any new team is stability; there would be few things worse than starting a team and being forced to contract it a few years later (like with Miami, which was around for four years before being folded along with original MLS member Tampa Bay).
The easiest thing to do is to learn from past and current mistakes. Last year, five teams failed to average at least 14,000 fans, all of which have pretty easy to identify issues.
- New England (13,732 per game average in 2009): They play in a NFL stadium, which in and of itself is not a killer as we well know, but the Revolution have the added problem of playing outside of their city center. Making matters worse, there seems to be very little attempt to make Gillette Stadium feel like a soccer field. They also share their season with two teams, again not a killer, but that's exasperated by the fact that they are really the fifth most popular major league team in their market. On the plus side, it is a college town, but being 30 miles away kinda renders that point moot.
- New York (12,491): If the Red Bulls still fail to draw after getting their own stadium, they will officially be out of excuses. On paper, they really shouldn't be struggling to draw as badly as they do. Sure, there are eight other teams in the market and four of them essentially compete directly with soccer season, but there are also nearly 20 million people in the metro area. That alone should be enough to render any competition meaningless. Playing in Giants Stadium, far from ideal in almost every sense, obviously hurt as well.
- Dallas (12,441): FC Dallas has its own stadium, but is probably hurt by the fact that it's about 30 miles from downtown Dallas. The four other teams in the market -- two in season -- don't help, but with 6.3 million people in the metro area, that shouldn't be as big of a problem as it is. From everything I've read, it sounds like marketing has been a problem and the team's rebranding has not gone off particularly well.
- Colorado (12,331): The Rapids have their own stadium, but also had to go to the suburbs to get it. Of course, it's less than 10 miles from the city center, so you wouldn't think that would be a huge issue. The biggest issue here, I think, is that the Rapids are essentially the fifth most popular team in an area that is the fourth smallest metro area in the league, are forced to compete with the Rockies in the summer and the Broncos in the fall, and skews a little older than is probably ideal.
- Kansas City (10,053): Obviously, the Wizards have problems. They left Arrowhead where their attendance ranged from awful (8,073 in 1998) to acceptable (15,573 in 2003), and moved to a minor league baseball park across the state line in Kansas where there just aren't that many seats to fill (10,385 capacity). There is a new soccer-specific stadium on the way, also on the Kansas side of the border, that should provide some boost. But big problems, such as being the third smallest market in the MLS while still having to share their season with the Royals in the summer and Chiefs in the fall; having a demographic that skews too young (more than 31 percent of Kansas City residents are younger than 20) without much disposable income; and not having much in terms of successful history make me wonder why anyone thought building a stadium was a good idea.
Much of the same negatives can be said about the two failed franchises in MLS history. Tampa Bay was one of the smaller markets to have to share its season and played in a football stadium that was less than ideal (it was usually about one-sixth full) and Miami was actually playing about 30 miles away in Ft. Lauderdale in a converted high school football stadium.
To put it in a nutshell, the ideal MLS situation would have the market all to itself; play in a stadium that is either soccer friendly or situated near the urban center; have about 55 percent of its population be between 20-49 years old (most of the information I use is from the real estate site Zillow); at least 40 percent of its inhabitants be single; and have a proven ability to draw fans to soccer matches.
Here's how the Top 5 MLS attendance teams fair in these regards:
- Seattle (30,897): They play in a stadium that was designed, at least in part, for soccer that is right outside downtown; almost 56 percent of the city's residents are between 20-49; about 42 percent are single; and the USL's Sounders had showed serious promise.
- Los Angeles Galaxy (20,416): Home Depot Center is considered the model for MLS stadiums; about 48 percent of its residents fit inside our age bracket; 37 percent are single; the city has a long history of supporting the national team; and despite sharing the market, being in the second biggest metro area helps a lot.
- Toronto (20,344): The only problem with BMO Field is that the team may have to expand it, as they continually sell out the 20,500-seat stadium; about 53 percent of the population is between the ages of 20-54; due to common-law marriage in Canada, marriage statistics are little more complicated there; and although they share the market with the CFL's Argonauts and the Blue Jays, neither team outdraws Toronto FC by much.
- Houston (17,047): If there's a team that has real attendance growth potential, this might be it. Despite playing at a college football stadium in a bad part of town and not fitting in to my nice little demographic target (49 percent are 20-49 and 32 percent are single), the Dynamo still draw well. I suppose winning titles the first two years the team was in town didn't hurt. Imagine what would happen if they had a stadium they actually wanted to go to.
- Salt Lake City (16,375): Rio Tinto Stadium is, apparently, a pretty easy light rail ride from downtown Salt Lake City; 52 percent is in our ideal age range; only 32 percent are single; but not having to really compete for attention certainly goes a long way.
Using this same information, I think we can safely assume the three new expansion teams will do just fine attendance wise.
- The Portland Timbers will have their own stadium in the middle of downtown; already average about 5,000 a game for USL matches; don't really skew my way demographically (50 and 32 percent, respectively); but won't have to compete for attention among the area's roughly 2 million residents.
- Vancouver will play in a downtown stadium designed with both the Whitecaps and the B.C. Lions in mind; has about 55 percent of its population between 20-54; will only have to compete with the Lions for attention; and recently drew 50,000 people for an exhibition game between the Whitecaps and Galaxy.
- The Philadelphia Union will start off playing in a stadium soccer fans are already drooling over; skews a little young (just 44 percent in our age bracket); is sufficiently single (40 percent); have already sold out their club seats; and will have to compete for attention, but with nearly 6 million people in the metro area, should be just fine.
Which brings us all the way back to the point of this post, which was to support Austin's candidacy for MLS inclusion.
Unlike St. Louis, as far as I can tell, there's no ownership group making its case, and that might be the end of it. But there's no reason MLS has to hurry up and admit St. Louis. In fact, AC St. Louis is really only now starting, so while it might make some sense to admit Montreal sooner than later (they fit our mold nicely), they still won't be playing until 2012.
The best thing Austin probably has going for it is the fact that it's a totally untapped market with the closest professional team being about 80 miles away, while a St. Louis MLS team would be competing directly with the Cardinals and Rams. Although the St. Louis metro area is certainly bigger than Austin (2.8 million compared to 1.6 million), if you consider it on a per team basis, that ratio is practically flipped (938,903 to 1.6 million). Let's also not forget that Austin does have an active minor league team, the Austin Aztex, which will play in the newly formed USSF D-2, drawing as many as 4,500 fans for a game against the Dynamo.
Neither city has a soccer-specific stadium that would be MLS worthy, but Austin is a much better fit demographically (56 percent in our age bracket and 40 percent single as opposed to 44 percent and 41 percent). Austin also has a much higher median income (about $42,000 compared to approximately $27,000). I also like the potential of having the University of Texas' roughly 50,000 students on the front porch.
I'll be the first to admit that this suggestion may be dead in the water, but if we're looking at which city fits our ideal, I challenge you to find a better fit than Austin.
As a side note: I considered several other cities than the ones detailed here for possible expansion. Real quickly, I main dismissed Miami and Tampa because they have already failed; Atlanta because the city has shown little willingness to support any sports, let alone "second-tier" ones; Carolina is probably too small; in general soccer has not caught on in the professional ranks in the South as well as it has in other regions; Baltimore would have to compete with DC United and is probably too small, anyway; Minnesota might be the next best option, but would have to compete with both football and baseball.
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My dream MLS
Is 27 sides in 3 Conferences each with 3 Derbies of 3 Teams in a 34 match season where every team is faced at least once
I think Austin would be a good fit in that size league, but there are some major TV markets (Montreal, NY2, St Louis) that must get in as well, and the SouthEast needs some serious representation.
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by Sounder At Heart on Feb 4, 2010 3:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure what you mean about 3 Derbies of 3 Teams
With 27 sides in 3 conferences and every team being faced at least once, I see how you get to 34 matches (26 games for each team once and 8 games playing the teams in your conference a second time), but I don’t understand the part about the derbies.
by ubelmann on Feb 4, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
3 teams in a Derby, 3 Derbies in Conference, 3 Conf in League
Just my little Dream, and as a dream I was off by 4 matches – 38 should be the total
within the Derby double home/away for 8 matches (Example: Cascadia of SEA, PDX, YVR where seattle hosts each twice and goes to each twice)
within Conference against non-Derby just home/away for 12 matches
Home against one Conference, Away against the other for 18 matches
The concept is to get an unbalanced schedule that maximizes regional rivalry but still hosts every team at least every other year. Since most revenue in the league is from gate related receipts that’s why the Derbies are important, as they would drive gate up. Ending the season on a Derby date would also maximize the impact on Sheild and Playoff race.
Also, this is a way to maximize the size of the league without getting an absurd number of matches.
Again, just my dream.
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by Sounder At Heart on Feb 4, 2010 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a pretty cool setup
I like that within the conferences the schedule is kept somewhat balanced by playing one conference all away and the other all home. I also like having the rivalries at the end of the season, the way that college football does it, since even in a down year, fans can use the rivalries as a consolation prize and could be interested at the end even if the playoffs are out of the picture.
How would you do playoff seeding in this system?
by ubelmann on Feb 4, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Conference Winners
and next best 5 teams
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by Sounder At Heart on Feb 4, 2010 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Minnesota sports marketplace is extremely saturated
Not just professional football and baseball, but also basketball and a hockey team that can get sell-out crowds (18K/game) for even a mediocre team. On top of that, they have D-I football and basketball and a hockey team that can average 9-10K/game. Not that soccer could never succeed in Minnesota—people there are pretty crazy about sports—but it would be difficult for a team to develop a consistent following with so many other established options for their sports dollar.
I also wouldn’t quite say that Austin has no professional sports—D-I football charges high enough ticket prices and has large enough attendance that it may as well be counted as a professional sport.
If MLS is going to stick to a 20-team limit, at least for the time being, it’s a little hard for me to envision three of those teams in Texas, though obviously that wouldn’t automatically exclude them from consideration. Sounder At Heart makes a good point about Austin not necessarily being a big TV market.
You make a good case for Austin, but I don’t think that MLS will rush to pick their 20th team. I could see them letting this play out for a couple more seasons to see how well St. Louis draws and whether an interested owner can come up with a big enough bid. And, I suppose, that ultimately whoever is willing to pay the most to enter the league probably winds up getting that spot.
by ubelmann on Feb 4, 2010 3:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I would agree...
About the D1 college stuff, but I don’t know that there are any markets worth moving to that have neither D1 or pros.
As far as St. Louis goes, I just think Austin’s a better fit. The market in St. Louis might be bigger, but I just think a team there would struggle with attendance more than it would in Austin. Same thing goes for teams in the South. Those markets have shown very little interest in anything other than football and baseball. NBA and NHL franchises have both struggled in those markets, I don’t see why MLS would be any different.
Mainly, I think that if you’re going to add a 20th team, the most important thing is putting in the city that has the best chance to succeed. From where I sit, all ownership issues aside, that still looks like Austin to me.
And just to be clear, we agree on the Montreal thing. I’m taking their inclusion as No. 19 as a given.
by BayAreaRefugee on Feb 4, 2010 6:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Part of why you like Austin
I like some of the periphery markets in the South East
Birmingham, Raleigh, Charleston, Richmond, Nashville, Memphis, Knoxville
Now, I actually think there is a correlation between MLS attendance and a certain political leaning that is true for Austin as well
Being in too many “minor league” cities though might hurt the ability of the league to claim major league status.
By the way, I don’t think the league stops at 20, there is strong reason to think that at 24 teams, with 22 or more cities the league gets much more attention from ESPN
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by Sounder At Heart on Feb 4, 2010 6:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can see that point about minor leagues...
I just don’t know that any South Eastern cities other than Atlanta fix that problem, either.
I’d love to think you’re right about expanding to 24 or 22, I just wonder if the league would be exposing itself too much. I mean, it wasn’t that long ago that this was a 10-team league. If that’s what it takes to get better TV contracts — and you’d know better than I how much of a factor that ends up being, attendance be damned — I’d certainly get behind it. And I realize that Austin would be the second smallest market in MLS, which wouldn’t make it any easier to convince ESPN to pony up big money — maybe if they came in along with a NY2 or something.
Anyway, I really think Austin would have the upside of turning into someplace like Seattle attendance wise, but probably wouldn’t do any worse than Columbus — similar sized market, a college town, but more soccer-oriented market.
by BayAreaRefugee on Feb 4, 2010 7:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Miami still wants in, apparently
I happened across this story today and just thought it was interesting.
I think it would be a rather significant mistake for MLS to re-expand to Florida, and would much rather see the league focus on areas it hasn’t already failed.
by BayAreaRefugee on Feb 5, 2010 10:34 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Because the MLS has flourished in TX
with two competitive teams drawing pathetic attendance, I would say that the MLS should steer clear of Texas, period. Soccer hasn’t caught on with the Dynamo being so competitive down there, so the MLS would be committing suicide by further saturating an area uninterested in soccer.
The MLS is best suited going after markets that don’t have much competition, like the new AFL is smartly attempting to do by tapping cities like Spokane, Wilkesbury-Scranton, and the Tri-Cities. Portland and Vancouver are perfect fits, and as the MLS grows in popularity we will see more markets in need of a soccer team. Texas is a dud from the MLS’s point of view.
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by SoundPound on Feb 6, 2010 5:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I know Houston is still top 5 in the MLS
but with their success, an interested fanbase could do with Reliant Stadium what we do with Qwest. I mean their stadium holds 32K, they should have no trouble topping 20K.
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by SoundPound on Feb 6, 2010 5:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Houston is in an awful stadium
They can’t do in Reliant what the Sounders do in Qwest, because the Dynamo are not owned by the same people who own the Texans. Its apples to bacon.
Houston has two weekly multihour soccer radio shows (seattle has zero), to question that fanbase is absurd. MLS wishes that every team had a fanbase as good as Houston.
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by Sounder At Heart on Feb 6, 2010 9:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh... hmm...
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by SoundPound on Feb 14, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
MLS wants another Seattle?
Does MLS really want another team that challenges the foundations of their slow growth, American-soccer-is-just-a-wee-baby, half opened large stadiums with capped season ticket sales? Another team that could shame their recommended stadium size?
Wake up and smell the Starbucks.
by soccerreform.us on Feb 8, 2010 8:45 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yes, MLS wants another Seattle
Its why they have approved Portland and Vancouver
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by Sounder At Heart on Feb 8, 2010 9:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
National League
For MLS to truly have presence nationwide, it will need some SE derbies. I’d like to see a 3 or 4 city combo of Atlanta, Charlotte, Jacksonville, Charleston, Nashville, or maybe Birmingham. I have no idea how the demographics work out for all of those, but I have a feeling Atl is big enough, and that MLS would do well to tap into the growing ranks of young professionals in the Carolinas. I doubt Birmingham is good for demographics, but as far as I know there probably would not be much competition as far as other teams nearby.
MLS has no local presence down there Creating local rivalries that the fan bases care about will go a long way towards creating a league that is actually relevant on a national scale
This is of course not to take away from Austin, as I feel that a properly sized league would be really smart to add Austin.
by agtk on Feb 9, 2010 9:50 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Good point
Maybe I’m thinking too small … if you are going to put one team in the South, you should go ahead and put two or three. You’re right, the best way to succeed there is to build on that regions love of rivalries (UG-Fla, Fla-Fla St., UG-GTech, Fla-Tenn, etc.).
Taken individually, all the cities down there pose some kind of somewhat serious issues. My unscientific research suggests, for instance, that Charlotte and Atlanta aren’t perfect demographic fits, but aren’t awful either. My issue with those has more been the willingness to support sports other than baseball or football.
If you look at the this year’s attendance for NHL and NBA teams in all the MLS cities that have at least one of them, the averages in Charlotte and Atlanta are worse than everyone. They would rank below even Miami and Tampa.
I haven’t researched the other cities, admittedly.
I think you’re right as far as the need to expand to the South in order for MLS to become truly national, but I’m just skeptical about its ability to succeed there.
by BayAreaRefugee on Feb 9, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also good
Your point is well taken, that baseball and football (both pro and college) rule in the SE. To a lesser extent, NASCAR as well. MLS will have a tough time making inroads with the popular culture.
That being said, I truly believe soccer, with the right management and growth structure, can succeed anywhere. Around the world, there are few places where club soccer is irrelevant. Here, America is becoming even more cosmopolitan. Soccer may never replace baseball or football here, especially in the SE, but it doesn’t have to to be successful. Soccer fans are a different crowd from your average American sports fan. The marketing will simply target a different, but overlapping, slice of the pie. If it is done right, I have no doubt that it could be successful down there. Perhaps not quite to the level that it has been embraced here in Seattle, but MLS can certainly find places in the SE as good or better than SJ or KC.
Again, I do stress that you are certainly right that Austin would probably be a really good spot for a team. The Aztexs is a pretty legit name, though they would have to change their jerseys since they look exactly like FC Dallas.
by agtk on Feb 11, 2010 11:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why is there no team in Charlotte?
Anyone? I know soccer is huge over there and they have stadiums and fans…
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by SoundPound on Feb 14, 2010 11:44 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
You can substitute "Carolina" for "Charlotte"
Basically, it faces the same problems as Atlanta in that anything other than football and college basketball has received very little support as well as probably being pretty close to maxed out in terms of professional teams:population ratio.
That being said, if MLS is going to get serious about a Southern strategy, I would think that other than Atlanta it would be the most obvious location.
by BayAreaRefugee on Feb 14, 2010 7:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There is are a couple teams in Carolina but not in MLS
The Carolina Railhawks were a USL team last year and I guess (since they created new lower division leagues) are now in the newly created NASL. They did really well last year from what I saw. I don’t know what their attendance looks like though. They play in the Raleigh area…. I think their stadium is in Cary, NC. I guess there is also a team in Charlotte that plays in the new USL whatever it’s called the Charlotte Eagles same league the Portland Timbers are in this year.
by majora999 on Feb 19, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
also Charleston
The Battery, with the most beautiful small stadium in the country
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by Sounder At Heart on Feb 19, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dallas must flourish, or move.
Perhaps the Dallas franchise is the one to put in Austin. It’s hard to see them evolving from the NFL and D1 College football mentality.
by Arjaylee on Feb 15, 2010 8:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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