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Is Standing Pat really that Risky?

Falk sounded off, and has really represented what a majority of fans are thinking. The Sounders haven't done enough in the off-season. They haven't added any names. And yet, is that an indication that they have wasted an opporutnity?

Are we really going to think that a surprise draft pick (David Estrada), a resurgent former 2nd Team All-American (Mike Fucito) and a precisely tuned offense are going to get this team to be the offensive power that we once that it should be?

I actually think so. There are some numbers to back it up, but they lack significant size.

Star-divide

So we are left with anecdotal stuff. The 24th Minute recently published the top 50 players in MLS. There were 3 Sounders attacking players in the top 37, 2 in the top 15. And yet the offense struggled. Steve Zakuani has been the focus of Sigi, trying to get him to be just a bit more decisive, a bit more productive.

Is this really just a team that needed only tweaking and not an overhaul?

4th on the Table. One Cup in Year One.
But an early exit from Playoffs
Two points shy of the Shield

That says to me tweaking, not churn is all that is necessary. Sure the defense is bound to regress a bit, but the offense actually gets better by regressing. Nate Jaqua's 10 and 8 was a DOWN year for him, as his Shots on Target %s well down from his average. Montero, Ljungberg, Zakuani are all learning the league.

Freddie Ljungberg is every bit as capable of being as good as Jaime Moreno. He ended the season in a very similar role, and ended the season as the Player of the Month. Fredy Montero can be a Juan Pablo Angel type (he was damn close). Seriously, this isn't about risk, this is about a team that was nearly the best expansion side in the history of sports, that UNDERPERFORMED.

Sure there are 36 scheduled matches at this point (30 League, 3 Friendly, 2 CCL, 1 Open Cup) and that could grow to add another 10. Depth may be an issue, but peak performance, from this team and this staff?

I don't think so.

Am I saying there aren't holes? No. Am I saying I wish the Sounders had borrowed (that's the opposite of loan right?) Nashat Akram from FC Twente or Khalfan Ibrahim from al-Sadd? Certainly. But adding talent to a team that has yet to gel would be no guarantee either.

We have no baseline for performance yet. RSL, Fire, Galaxy, United, Dynamo, Revolution all have major losses this year. Sounders FC, not so much. I don't want to get in the habit of writing rebuttal pieces, but I think that the Sounders Nation (as channeled quite well by Falk) is wrong on this point.

I see Sounders as 3 deep at Forward - Ljungberg, Montero, Jaqua
4 Deep on the Wing - Zakuani, Jaqua, Fucito and Estrada
4 Deep in the Center - Evans, Alonso, Vagenas and Estrada
3 Deep in the Fullbacks - Gonzalez, Scott, Riley
4 Deep in the Centerhalf - Hurtado, Marshall, Ianni and Graham

Roger Levesque can slot into several roles effectively as well

Oh, and they still have the best American Keeper in history in the pipes, with a hell of a battle for the #2

 

Churn let's you become Toronto FC. Champions only tweak.

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Should the Sounders have added a "name" talent this offseason?
Yes
62 votes
At Least two
8 votes
I'm fine with Standing Pat
66 votes
Not a name, but draftees and trialists aren't enough
51 votes

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Here's the Sounders FC notes on the players joining camp in Arizona

Eddie Johnson is a 25-year-old forward that started his pro career with Manchester United when he signed as a junior player in 1999. He went on loan to Royal Antwerp, Coventry City and Crewe Alexandra, netting 15 goals in 59 games over those two and a half seasons. He went on to play two years for Bradford City and one season with Chester City before coming stateside in 2009 to play for the Austin Aztex in the USL.

Yakir Lusky is a 23-year-old Israeli midfielder who scored four goals over 32 games in his six-year career in the top division of the Israeli league system. In that span he played with Hapoel Tel Aviv, Hapoel Petah Tikva, Hakoah Amidar Ramat Gan and Hapoel Ashkelon.

Josh Gardner is a 27-year-old midfielder who scored seven goals over 52 games in 2007 and 2008 with the Sounders in the USL, helping Seattle to the USL-1 Championship and Commissioner’s Cup in 2007. He was originally drafted 13th overall in the 2004 MLS SuperDraft by Sounders FC head coach Sigi Schmid, then coach of the LA Galaxy. The left-sided midfielder played 21 games over three seasons before his release prior to the 2007 season. After his two years with the Sounders, Gardner played with the Carolina Railhawks in 2009.

Eric Winblad is a defender from Azusa Pacific University. In 18 games his senior season he tallied two goals and two assists. In his junior season he was the Brine-NAIA Player of the Year after moving into a midfield role to help an ailing offense. He tallied ten goals and six assists in four years at Azusa.

Derby Carillo is a goalkeeper from St. John’s University. He had 11 clean sheets in 20 games last year with the Red Storm, going 9-2-9 with a 0.45 GAA in his senior season. He played two years at Cal-State Dominguez Hills.

They join the other players competing for only 2 open slots.

On Nashat Akram from his wiki - usually plays as a midfielder. Akram is one of Iraq’s promising young prospects, and has been linked with Manchester City1 and Sunderland2. In 2009, the International Football Awards chose Nashat Akram as the best Asian footballer of the year.3

On Khalfan Ibrahim from his wiki – into Al-Sadd’s first team at the age of 17 in Mar 2005 and scored against Al-Shamal. 2005-06 was more better when he scored goals in the Qatar League, Crown Prince Cup and Asian Champions League, which brought him into the spotlight. His performance in 2006-07 played a part in the Asian Player of The Year title. He scored 5 goals in Al-Sadd’s start to the league campaign and then was a crucial member of the Asian Games gold medal winning Qatar team.

Neither Akram nor Khalfan have been connected with Sounders in more than my dreams, but they are young talents who are either not playing, and/or need to take a step up to a bigger stage.

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by Sounder At Heart on Feb 4, 2010 4:36 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

have you thought

about applying for a scouting job? I’m impressed (for all that’s worth).

by Murk on Feb 4, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I have talked to both Adrian and Henderson about how to get into scouting

But, the above profiles are from the Sounders or from wikipedia, not from me.

I have written about Akram and Khalfan in the past thought.

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by Sounder At Heart on Feb 4, 2010 4:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Depth

Great piece. Keep up the amazing work.

With respect to your comments on depth:
“I see Sounders as 3 deep at Forward – Ljungberg, Montero, Jaqua
4 Deep on the Wing – Zakuani, Jaqua, Fucito and Estrada
4 Deep in the Center – Evans, Alonso, Vagenas and Estrada
3 Deep in the Fullbacks – Gonzalez, Scott, Riley
4 Deep in the Centerhalf – Hurtado, Marshall, Ianni and Graham”

(just taking into account the liability side of things…nothing against any of the players…not mentioning the obvious positives…)

  1. Forwards: Ljungberg is over 30, prone to migraines; Montero if playing well could jet at the hint of a contract with a big Euro club; Jaqua with some injuries from last year I believe (something about a pubic symphisis tendonitis or something, which he is likely to battle with all year long)
  2. Wing: Jaqua (see above); Fucito…not guaranteed to be on the team, didn’t make team last year…injuries maybe…either way, not proven yet; Estrada – sounds great but unproven
  3. Center: Vagenas is getting up their in age; Estrada unproven

I guess what I’m getting at is that I’m worried about depth. All it takes is 1 – 2 injuries and we are on the cusp of having to scramble. Including 2 goalies you’ve listed 20 players, I’d love to see us get at least 2 more players of “guaranteed” MLS starting quality, preferably one at forward as all 3 listed above can play wing or other positions. Then maybe another mid-fielder.

Anyways, I’m interested to hear more about Lusky and Johnson.

by Sounder on Feb 4, 2010 5:31 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

All the teams

are 1-2 injuries from having to scramble. That’s the nature of the 24-man roster.

by Cornchops on Feb 4, 2010 6:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Johnson with the Aztex

put up 5 goals and 4 assists for a PP90 of 0.67 at the USL-1 level on a team that really struggled and finished 10th.

I’ll work on more

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by Sounder At Heart on Feb 4, 2010 6:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

how do we make a significant signing

when the CBA is still in the works and we don’t know what the rules are yet?

by PeterJH on Feb 4, 2010 5:50 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I've also felt

that we will see much more of a “team” improvement. Remember all those times Ljungberg made or expected a run, to no avail? If half of those missed opportunities turn into solid chances, then we will see significant offensive improvement. That’s not from any change of individual performance; it’s from increased understanding with teammates. Many of the players can play at the same level as last year, and still see individual improvement due to more cohesive and effective team play.

So we sign a “name.” And then we get to see all those missed connections all over again, with our new “playmaker,” as he learns his teammates’ tendencies. Big names don’t win games. Teams win games.

It’s true, too that our regressions will be more in the positive direction. That underperformance frustrated us in year one, and cost us in the playoffs. Finish, finish, finish. We can’t miss ’em all.

by Cornchops on Feb 4, 2010 6:36 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Depth Projection

They didn’t need to name a DP type of “name,” especially with so many big names playing for European sides or getting trials there. Who’s to say that Donovan gets a full transfer to Everton? Blanco is back in Mexico for sure. Who knows/cares if David Beckham wants to come back. (Post-World Cup retirement?) But it’s never a good idea to bet on the other teams letting you win. There is always a need for improving the roster.

The scouts for Sounders FC seem to have done a good job of evaluating talent in the past, Osvaldo Alonso, Leo Gonzalez, and Montero. Drafting Zakuani might be a bit obvious/too soon to tell. They seem to have a knack for getting the right kind of players for Sigi.

Depth is why champions never have to churn. We should always be looking to improve and add depth. In addition to injuries, players often go through slumps which can be more detrimental at times. You have to wonder if Jacqua had a slump last year and will get back to 10 goals again, or if he will continue to decline. A couple of injuries could pile up fast, especially with CONCACAF Champions League added to the schedule. I’m looking forward to see how everyone performs. The defense is getting on in age also, never a good sign. I’m surprised that Philly didn’t grab James Riley as well, at least for the sake of tradition ;) But I’m glad he’s still with the team. He seems a good fit, although he has dodgy moments.

My guesses are that Levesque will be used more as a regular sub in the absence of Le Toux, Zakuani will improve and finish more goals, Freddie Ljungberg will be the most fouled player in MLS, Sounders defense will be in the top three for fewest goals allowed, and Montero will make a one touch pass back to a teammate. I’m looking forward to seeing who makes the final roster out of camp.

by SoundersASN on Feb 4, 2010 7:48 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

A good coach

should certainly be able to get more out of this collection of talent in the second year. It goes without saying that Sigi is a good coach. Barring major injury problems or key players disappearing, I’d expect us to be in position to challenge for the SS with 5 games to go. That said, I would still love to see the FO sign someone I’ve never heard of who turns out to be a stud, as they did with Leo, Osvaldo, and so many others.

I get tired of all the vitriol spewed on GS – witness the recent disowning of FL10, the past venom directed towards Montero and Jaqua, and the current criticism of the front office. Thanks for providing a home for more rational and empirically-based Sounders commentary and discussion.

by bauckus on Feb 4, 2010 8:24 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Sigi is up to it

I totally agree, bauckus. This team underperformed last year, and much of that had to do with their lack of experience. I fully expect Sigi to mold this now experienced crew into a more consistent and achieving team.

I actually think meddling with the team by adding “big names” would have threatened the excellent foundation we built last year.

This debate and Dave’s response reminds me of why I spend my time here with a group of thoughtful fans.

by zeagle on Feb 4, 2010 9:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I think using the word "underperformed" is the wrong word.

It was as Dave said, this team was perhaps among the most most successful franchises in sports history. I agree that the whole may not have been as good as the parts, but assembling a cohesive team of players that do not know each others tendencies does not happen overnight. They played as well as a Frankenstein team could play in year one.

by Coug1990 on Feb 4, 2010 10:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's the point

we were pretty darn good, while underperforming. It’s outstanding! Astounding! Incredibly encouraging!

by Cornchops on Feb 5, 2010 6:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Saying the same thing...

…I think we are all saying the same thing.

I agree with everything Coug1990 said and, like Cornchops, would characterize that as underperformance. It may not be the best word, but I mean it in its literal sense. Its obvious they didn’t live up to their potential for lots of very understandable reason. That’s why I am pretty excited about this year — and glad we didn’t tinker too much with the roster.

by zeagle on Feb 5, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

More depth to help with 2011

Something that I just thought of: with 2 new teams in 2011 I assume that means we lose 2 more at the end of this year to an expansion draft. Just another reason to add more depth this year…

by Sounder on Feb 4, 2010 11:01 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

It depends on the rules it could be set up to where each team loses 1 player and only let them select 8 each.

by gstommylee on Feb 5, 2010 5:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Outside looking in

I’m a United fan, but I’m not here to hassle anyone. MLS rosters intrigue me, and I’ll probably be running the rule over your team over on B&RU before the season kicks off.

From where I sit, Seattle has a very strong team that needs a couple small improvements. A discussion of contenders, at this point, would have to include you guys. This is a team that, for the most part, lacks weak spots. Guys like Keller, Hurtado, and Montero deserve to be in the discusson for being the best at their position in MLS.

Starting in the back, Keller is dynamite and has been mostly injury-free throughout his career. Plus, his experience provides a strong guide for your defenders. I don’t know much about your backups, but they aren’t particularly relevant. Obviously an injury to Keller would be a disaster, but most MLS clubs are in the same boat.

In the back, Hurtado is spectacular and I am deeply envious of you for having him. After that, though, it goes downhill. Marshall is a good leader, but he’s a guy that any coach aside from Schmid would be looking to improve upon. He’s one of Sigi’s favorites (though more deserving of his spot than Vagenas). Ianni was not a failure last year when called upon, but he’s not really a guy good MLS teams would feel comfortable relying on either. I know Graham is popular in Seattle, but during his previous MLS stints he was somewhere between “not good” and “crap”. If he was traded to DC for a few beers, he’d still be firmly behind Julius James (who I believe we need upgrade on if we want to be better than a mid-table team).

As for the fullbacks, Gonzalez and Riley are decent enough. They’re not elite guys, but they aren’t going to be your downfall by any means (though Riley really needs to improve his tackling discipline…he takes entirely too many bookings and is a red card risk in seemingly every game). Scott didn’t look out of place in MLS, but he also didn’t look like a guy you’d want to start too often. I know I saw Levesque here at some point (perhaps after a red card of some kind?) and he didn’t look terrible, but it was clear that this was an emergency-only move. If there’s an area to improve, your fullbacks are probably it.

Evans and Alonso are a really good central midfield duo. Vagenas flat-out sucks, and your play really dropped off when Schmid called on him. There is really no reason, at this point, that he’s an MLS player. This probably reads like I hold a grudge, but I don’t; I am just giving my honest evaluation. Estrada is pretty much an unknown. Schmid may have come up with a sleeper, but there’s just as much a chance that he was a massive reach in the first round.

On the wings, Zakuani is a potential scheme-breaking guy. When he’s on, he’s more or less undefendable; the approach becomes more about forcing people to pass elsewhere rather than stopping him. However, he’s inconsistent, so this only happens once in awhile. Still, MLS right backs are all distinctly uncomfortable about facing him 1v1. Jaqua makes an awkward matchup for any left back. He’s not brilliant, but he’s a battler who gets consistent results. Fucito didn’t even make last year’s squad, and I’d assume the Sounders will be trying to improve rather than regress. Estrada, again, is an unknown. Levesque was a decent option here as a sub, since he runs himself into the ground, generally plays a smart, basic game, and is not without technical ability.

Up top, Ljungberg and Montero are two of MLS’s most elusive players. Combine that with their skill, and they’re always going to be a real problem. If they can get a little better at working as a pair, their 2009 performances will be topped with ease. Ljungberg, in particular, should end up with more tangible results. Jaqua has done well as an MLS striker, so if called upon there are no problems with him. Levesque, again, is a pain-in-the-ass type of player that makes a great sub.

All in all, if you guys add an outside back and a reliable 3rd option in holding midfield, you are a real threat to win more hardware. Even without, you’ll still be a very good team as is. I hate saying it, but it’s true.

by ChestRockwell on Feb 4, 2010 11:24 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

Fucito has a good shot, from all indications so far

Last year he was dealing with injuries, and wasn’t able to give his best performance. This year, he’s impressed everyone with his speed, being the fastest player in camp so far. Given that the Sounders aren’t generally a slow team, that says a lot. From what I hear, he’s got pretty good physical presence as well, which is good in a foul happy league like MLS.

Otherwise, I don’t disagree with much. I think the important thing for us this year will be getting everyone on the same page, and as Sigi was talking about earlier, getting everyone playing the game faster. In the book God Emperor of Dune, there’s a saying that the difference between a good administrator and a bad one is about five heartbeats. The same can often be said about soccer players. Waiting too long pondering what the optimal play is can allow the defense to adjust and set itself, thereby eliminating any possible play. On the other hand, a decision taken quickly can be often be worked with, even if it’s not the very best decision possible.

by CarlosT on Feb 5, 2010 4:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the outside perspective

My own hope stems from the belief that our top 3 offensive players (Ljungberg, Montero, Zakuani) are almost certain to improve upon last season, while I don’t see any reason that our defense should be noticeably worse.

by bauckus on Feb 5, 2010 9:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I appreciate your analysis...

but disagree on a few -

Montero – When he’s on, he’s incredible. When he isn’t, he looks like he doesn’t care. No hustle, no techinical skills, overconfident, etc. I can’t count how many times I watched him take a guy on, only to dribble straight into him and lose the ball, then just watch the guy walk away with it. But man, when he wants to play, he brings it hard.

Vagenas – I don’t think this guy gets enough credit. I think he’s a solid 2nd choice to Ljungberg if necessary, and is flexible enough to move around the midfield line. He has is off days maybe a little more frequently than others, but overall I think he’s solid.

Jaqua – Highly disagree here. I think Jaqua needs some serious technical training in order to be a threat. He looks clumsy, can’t dribble, and seemed to get his goals as a result of luck. Of course, you could label anybody’s goals as a result of luck, but I truly feel as though Jaqua got lucky on most of his. I was ecstatic when Levesque started in his place when he had a concussion.

Graham – Watched him play in USL, he was 2007 defender of the year. I don’t believe he appeared for Sounders last season due to constant injuries, but he is a solid choice. Unfortunately we already have an incredibly solid back line.

Ianni/Riley – Both of these guys are highly skilled and reliable. I wouldn’t hesitate to put Ianni back, or up in midfield. Riley – while not a literal wall like Hurtado – holds his own quite well and is completely reliable. Always brings it to the table consistently well.

Backup keepers – Only saw Boss play once, and he was horrible. Like embarrassingly bad. I hope he is kept back at 3rd choice. Eyelander was incredible for the USL team. I was sad to hear that Ben Dragavon was kept in the pool rather than invited to camp with the team. He was incredible when Keller was ejected due to the red card last season. Then again, I don’t think we need 4 keepers. I’d take him over Boss any day though.

Evans – Don’t like him. He’s played pretty terribly since his stint with the US national team. Inconsistent, unreliable, and so on. I would 100% stick Vagenas in his place any day.

That said – what we’re really lacking is some depth up front. Levesque is the man, put him in and he runs circles around guys, much like Le Toux did. But not knowing anything really about Estrada, I’m afraid for our front line that we’re not going to have anybody worthwhile to back them up. I think we have enough depth for now in midfield, but another solid person in there would be a nice fallback to have, especially with Vagenas getting older.

by chrisperry1983 on Feb 5, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jaqua's clumsiness

is his camouflage. He obviously fooled you. I personally don’t remember many lucky goals. What qualifies as a lucky goal, anyway? Tap ins? Off the shin? Jaqua has the sense to make the run and be in the right place. Who cares if he looks like a giraffe doing it?

I disagree with nearly all of your assessments. You seem to want the churn. If so, it would be like being an expansion team all over again. I’m done with that. Now I want cohesiveness and teamwork.

by Cornchops on Feb 5, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jaqua's volley against the Crew

didn’t have anything to do with luck. Why do people have to complain about what Jaqua is not instead of appreciate what he is – a smart, scrappy attacker who can win and hold balls and has the potential to score 10 goals with a similar number of assists?

And to say that Montero has no technical skills is just silly.

by bauckus on Feb 5, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I blame the EPL

Most Sounders fans are used to watching the EPL and World Cup matches and so judge the team/league based against that level of talent, not the level of talent in the actual league.

Overtime we will mature, as will the team.

We will love them for what they are, and they will get better.

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by Sounder At Heart on Feb 5, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed you can’t compare MLS to EPL. Only MLS to MLS and EPL to EPL.

by gstommylee on Feb 5, 2010 5:39 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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