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CBA Update: Talks continue

You may have heard that the players have overwhelmingly voted to strike, according to Steven Goff.

Well, he's updated the story to reflect comments from MLS officials.

In response to comments made by players after the labor negotiations in Washington this week, MLS President Mark Abbott told the Insider on Thursday that "the meetings were productive and we have scheduled a number of additional meetings. While I can't discuss what takes place across the bargaining table, I can say that the players' comments do not accurately reflect the proposals that we have made to address the players' concerns or the productive nature of the discussions between MLS and the union."

Apparently, as part of the mediation agreement, neither side was supposed to be talking to the media. The players are obviously trying to apply as much pressure as possible. And as long as the mediation is ongoing, both sides are barred from calling a work stoppage.

The two sides are scheduled to meet next week, so there probably won't be any big news over the weekend.

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Yeah. It all makes sense as posturing. Of course it makes sense as an actual threat as well. I really hope they don’t have to strike, although I’d support them if they did. This league isn’t in a strong position to withstand a work stoppage.

by Perrinbar on Mar 11, 2010 3:00 PM PST reply actions  

While I'm sympathetic

to the players position re: salaries, termination of contracts, they are being absolutely pig-headed about free agency. It’s not going to happen in this CBA. Period. The owners don’t have to withstand a work stoppage, all they do is shut the league down, for good. When 12 of 16 teams (give or take) are losing money, it’s not like any owner is going to shed tears over the league dying, except maybe losing a nice tax write-off. Our own Joe Roth and Paul Allen might be super-rich with a full stadium, but the real powers behind the Wizard of Garber’s curtain, AEG and the Krafts, are not going to throw away single-entity under any circumstance in 2010. Maybe in 2014, but not today. I don’t mean to direct this rant at anyone here, I am just super effing frustrated with the posturing and greed by MLS players and owners.

by 108Ultra on Mar 11, 2010 3:24 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

After the game

I’m going to post an update on the 2007 Forbes rankings as to what teams are making money.

There aren’t a lot and AEG and Hunt have lost hundreds of millions to get to this point.

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by Dave Clark on Mar 11, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh yeah

In my emotional froth I forgot that Hunt is one of the puppet masters too. Look forward to that update.

by 108Ultra on Mar 12, 2010 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Certainly not what I was hoping for...

But I’d say this is pretty official. The union has essentially confirmed the strike vote story.

Recent comments from players simply reflect the fact that the players are unified and, per the results of our strike vote, will not begin the new season if a new agreement with the league is not reached," the union said in a statement Thursday. "This is not a change in position by the union and should not be read to reflect in any way upon what has, or has not, occurred this week in the meetings with the mediator and the league."

Essentially, this means the players will not be showing up to work on March 23 if a new CBA isn’t signed.

by Jeremiah Oshan on Mar 11, 2010 11:45 PM PST reply actions  

I found this this morning

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Soccer/TorontoFC/2010/03/11/13191231-qmi.html

It talks about how the system is suppose to work. I’d quote a section of the article but I’m not sure how to do that.

Supposedly the teams only have 48 hours to hold on to the rights if another team expresses interest in the player. My question then is Why has it taken this long for the out of contract veterans to be signed?

by majora999 on Mar 12, 2010 5:46 AM PST reply actions  

It's a little more complicated

As far as I understand it, the article isn’t wrong, but it doesn’t paint the whole picture either. It may be true that old teams only hold the rights for a player for two days after the player signs a new contract. In the “poster boy” cases the player hadn’t been able to agree to a contract with the old team and so the league never signed them. If the current team doesn’t want to pay the player’s asking price, he doesn’t get signed in many cases, allowing the team to hold his rights indefinitely. The only way that player can get signed, then, is for another team to express willingness to fit the player under their salary cap. What complicates matters is that the player (or his agent) aren’t allowed to go out and find that team. That’s the part the players have the big problem with, I think.

by Jeremiah Oshan on Mar 12, 2010 7:30 AM PST up reply actions  

More information

According to at least a few blogs, the union hasn’t actually voted to strike, they’ve voted to authorize a strike vote. That would be a pretty simple explanation for the extreme unity, since players haven’t actually committed to walking off the job.

The union statements seem to point to a much more unambiguous result, so I’m trying to contact some people who know about this stuff.

by Jeremiah Oshan on Mar 12, 2010 10:13 AM PST reply actions  

Hmmm

that is an important distinction. I’ve been having a hard time reconciling the reported “strike vote” numbers with the reality that many young players (like Montero and Hurtado) really need to play to have any chance of getting a much bigger contract in Europe.

by 108Ultra on Mar 12, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Not proof, but there's this...

Just found this Jeff Carlisle tweet, which suggests some people in the union certainly think they’ve authorized an actual strike:

JeffreyCarlisle
I asked union source if they needed to vote on strike again. He said “No.” Said power to strike is in hands of bargaining committee.

by Jeremiah Oshan on Mar 12, 2010 10:31 AM PST reply actions  

Interpreting that statement

OK, hate to do this all piecemeal, but Fake Sigi has a great take on where we are right now:

As to the mechanics of the players actually striking, and whether there has to be another vote before a strike can occur, my sense is that the players will put at least one proposed agreement before the whole membership before striking. While the negotiating team may not need another member vote to order a strike, and while the rank and file rejecting an proposal with concessions from the owners on guaranteed contracts and unilateral options is uncertain at best, I think striking without voting on an agreement runs the very high risk of introducing severe, fatal fractures in what has so far been a united union public front. Contrary to what Duane thinks, if the union membership doesn’t perceive the bargaining committee to be acting in its best interests, dissent in the ranks will show up real quick.

by Jeremiah Oshan on Mar 12, 2010 10:58 AM PST reply actions  

what I figured

All this does is confirm my initial hunch from late last month about the senseless posturing and “lack of good faith” non-negotiating stance from the League, hidden in their disingenuous “offer” to “not have a lockout” and “keep operating under the old CBA”

All that accomplishes is blame-shifting towards the Players, who now have to strike rather than be locked-out to achieve their quite legitimate goals of negotiating a new CBA that evolves players rights in the correct direction.

This “blame shifting” is typical of what we have see in this country in recent generations, and helps to demonstrate why we have become a nation that favors management and resents unions…

I was struggling to grasp how the season could possibly start in earnest without a new CBA… and all this news does in my mind is confirm what i have been thinking since January…

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by malcontentjake on Mar 12, 2010 1:57 PM PST reply actions  

This post answers your issues

I have been kind of playing around the edges with saying it, but all indications are the owners are preparing to start the season whether a strike happens or not.

It wouldn’t be too hard for owners to start the season, tell players who cross the line that they’ll get paid as always and fill in whatever spots are left with scabs. It won’t be pretty, and there will certainly be fans who understandably refuse to watch, but there’s going to be a season. MLS isn’t going to give in.

I agree that almost everything the players seem to be seeking is legitimate. As I’ve said many times, though, what matters is leverage. I just don’t see what leverage the players have, strike or not.

by Jeremiah Oshan on Mar 14, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kasey Keller interview

He has some interesting stuff to say. He does appear to reveal, for the first time I’ve seen anyway, that the players want a 20 percent raise of the salary cap, which would be about $460,000 per team. He also seems to indicate that this is one of the sticking points, which is also the first time I’ve heard this. Anyway, worth a read.

by Jeremiah Oshan on Mar 14, 2010 9:44 PM PDT reply actions  

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