Was the Second Goal from a Corner?
by Dave Clark on Apr 1, 2010 6:24 AM PDT
in Sounders: MLS Regular Season
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PrintSometimes when tracking a game, no matter how stiff the definitions a play comes down to the judgement of the official scorekeeper. Baseball fans are all too familiar with this, as there is actually a time period when the official stats can change. Well, we get to see one of those cases from just the last game. From the weekly News and Notes
Seattleled MLS with seven goals scored from corner kicks in 2009. On opening night, it opened its account on 2010. On the game's
first goal[second goal], Freddie Ljungberg, who served the corners on each of the goals last season, forced Union keeper Chris Seitz to punch clear. The ball fell to Osvaldo Alonso, who drove the ball toward the left post. Fredy Montero's header redirected the ball into the net.
Correction is my own. Brad Evans scored the first goal of 2010. But did you think that was a goal off a corner or not?
Other parts of the News and Notes that intrigue me are below the break.
If you think the Blaise Nkufo signing is a big deal, you would be in the same camp as the Sounders Media Relations office. As we are getting regular updates on his, and his team's, performance.
Nkufo Update
Blaise Nkufo and Twente Eschede maintained its lead atop the Dutch Eredivisie with a 3-0 home win over Sparta Rotterdam last Saturday. Twente leads Ajax Amsterdam and PSV Eindhoven by five with five rounds remaining. Nkufo's team was ousted from the Dutch cup at the semifinal stage, 2-1, by Feyenoord on March 24. Nkufo, who signed with Sounders FC on March 4, will join the team in July after completing play with the Swiss National Team at the FIFA World Cup in South Africa. Nkufo is Twente's career scoring leader with 112 league goals, including 10 this season.
Current Trialists in Camp - Roster Currently Full at 24+1 on IL
Keepers - Carillo, Eylander
Defenders - Parke, Wallace
All other players have signed with the club.
There will be another "Reserve Game" on Monday. This one is against the University of Washington.
Lastly, did you know that the Sounders are running youth camps in Alaska and Idaho as well as Washington?
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Not off a corner
I always figured “off a corner” meant a goal as a result of one person making contact with the ball after it’s kicked in.
I thought Eyelander was waived, and Carillo was not invited back?
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I think it could be considered "off a corner"
Depends on where you define the end of the play on a corner kick is… I would say it would be considered off of a corner kick. It was all one play that resulted from the corner kick. The corner came in, seitz punched it out, alonso shot it, a loitering montero heads the ball in. Without the corner we wouldn’t have scored the goal.
I think it’s stretching the limits of what could be considered “off a corner”, but still falls within that definition. If Alonso trapped the ball and then chipped it to Montero I wouldn’t consider it “off a corner”. Since the Sounders didn’t really have any possesion during the play and it was a series of events that started with the corner.
That’s my thinking at least.
It's off a corner.
Other team had no possession between the corner kick and a goal, so it’s all one play.
Assist?
Did Evans (or Freddie, I can’t remember who took that one) get an assist? Most, though not all, goals off corners would give at least a secondary assist to the kick taker.
Seitz punched it out. Not well, but it was cleared outside the 18. The defense, except for Harvey, was stepping out.
I don’t know. Let’s count it for both—corner and run-of-play.
If you look at the typical positioning for a corner
There’s almost always a guy sitting where Alonso was ready to slam the ball back in if it pops out of the box. If it’s planned for as part of the set play, I don’t have a problem with giving it as a corner goal at all.
by Graham MacAree on Apr 1, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Corner
In a former life as a claims adjuster, it would be considered a “continuous chain of events.” Since the goal occurred within the “chain” it is a corner. The “chain” would have been broken with a change of possession or if the ball were cleared where the offense had to regroup to attack.
I'd say it's a goal off a corner
Imagine if Philly had gone for a defensive header but only grazed the ball, sending it to the back post for someone to finish up. It’s the same thing: one Philly touch does not mean the corner kick is over as a scoring opportunity.
Is it attributed to corner
When the corner is played in short to player 2, who passes it back to 1, who crosses in to 3, who heads it in? I say yes. It is all one set play, no loss of possession, with continuity of action.
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