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Let's Say Something Isn't Clicking on Offense for Sounders

Actually it seems everyone is saying it these days. The thoughts around the Greater Sounder Nation is that there is something wrong with the team, particularly the offense. Fingers have been pointed, around the blogosphere most of these are at Adrian Hanauer for not getting Talent upgrade until halfway through season, some have pointed at Sigi for not having the team ready when the season starter. One article points two fingers even.

So let's assume this team that is on pace for 40 goals (sample size!) on 50 assists has problems on offense. Let's assume that the 4 points in 3 matches is merely due to a low offensive output and doesn't have anything to do with two poor defensive set-plays.

What is to blame for those woes?

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Talent: Are the Sounders lacking the offensive talent as compared to the rest of the League? While I would be certain that Colorado has more offensive talent 9Casey, Cummings, Clark, Lopez) and the Galaxy (Donovan, Buddle, and that's really enough right now) I don't know what other team an outside observer would say has more talent than the Sounders concerning offense.

Remember pre-season the Sounders were again considered to be a solid squad with an offense likely to improve and a steady top-5 defense. There were mentions around the net that Fredy Montero would win a Golden Boot and maybe an MVP. Everyone expects more from Ljungberg and Zakuani, and while Jaqua is out he did score last year. Those that are fans of his want him back, those that weren't fans and claimed that any player could do what he did, well we haven't seen it.

But in MLS having an offense that goes three deep is pretty good (Fredy, Freddie and Zakuani), and the supporting cast isn't awful and many would say better than average (Evans, Alonso, Gonzalez and Riley as a whole).

Tactics: Here we call it Sigi's Game and the formation Sigi's Arrow. It is about quick passing a formatino that shifts, but one that certainly puts pressure up the middle, maybe even over exerts said central pressure. It is a variant on a 4-2-3-1 or 4-1-4-1, and is quite similar to offenses that have won Cups for him in his history.

It does only put 4 players on offense if the typical modern formation puts five (think 4-1-3-2), but since up to four more players may enter a play as an offensive threat that should be mitigated, right? Sigi's offensive numbers have varied quite a bit, he's had league leaders and stragglers.

He's a Cup winner, this is a proven system, it generally works.

Chemistry: I know a ton of people just scoffed, but for me in this sport it matters more than most. Where for baseball it matters nearly not at all, as more teamwork is required the amount of chemistry required increases. I'm not talking club house pranks, I'm talking a group of guys working as one. That old Hoosiers line about 5 pistons in one engine.

We are again seeing cracks in the Freddyain. Last match saw each overlook each other rather than pass. Certain elements on the team did not work as if they knew where the other was going to be. Steve Zakuani regularly sends in those tight low crosses and there seems to be a runner lacking.

This isn't about a GM, nor really about Coaching, this is about the Players.

 

It is likely that all three of these are a bit to blame, but knowing which is the primary reason starts to grant insight into how to fix the problem.

Poll
What is it that the Sounders lack on offense that is showing up as the team being average at scoring goals?
Talent
26 votes
Tactics
30 votes
Chemistry
88 votes

144 votes | Poll has closed

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Over emphasis on long through balls

It seems to be a problem for everyone in the league. Its the American way. It doesn’t work. Its like we’re forcing it.

by zeeehjee on Apr 15, 2010 4:59 PM PDT reply actions  

DON'T PANIC.

I think it’s early days still.

I haven’t watched every game this season, but I still think the quality of finishing needs to be improved. I also agree with the poster above me that balls over the top do not work for this team, and need to happen less often. I guess they makes sense in order to keep the opposing defense on their toes, but we still do them too often.

Brad needs to get his mojo back. I think when he does well, the team does well.

by Murk on Apr 15, 2010 5:08 PM PDT reply actions  

It's chemistry

Too many times I’ve seen beautiful crosses only to have nobody there. Passes that should be one-touch returns while running, and the runner didn’t run. Plays that don’t see to go nowhere. I think we have the talent. We have the tactics. But at time, we look like a high school team just blasting the ball up and frantically passing away without any real thought of what will happen next.

That said, we have moments of absolute brilliance. And, most of the time in our games I think we play fairly well. But fairly well doesn’t seem to be cutting it in the heat of the moment when chances are created and subsequently wasted.

Let’s get Michael Owen or van Nistlerooy in here to help out. And Juninho.

by chrisperry1983 on Apr 15, 2010 7:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Tactics

Simply because Sigi gave too many minutes to Levesque on the wing the first two games. I love his formation but when you only play 1 forward your wings need to posses attacking talent not holding skill.

I didn’t see the Salt Lake game. But 2 goals is a good sign. Right?

He didn't go.

by BUCKETSinSB on Apr 15, 2010 7:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Chemistry

but I would also mention that the team seems not quite sharp. They haven’t started like they did last year. Many times they seem like they see the run, they anticipate, but the pass is off, the touch is off, and it disintegrates.

However. We’ve soundly beaten the expansion team. We lost to a NJ team that has improved significantly, not just with their player changes, but also with a seeming different attitude. We tied the defending champs at altitude, in a place where visitors basically never win and rarely tie. We won when we should have won. We lost to a team that will win its share this year. We tied a team we will battle all year for prime spots in the West.

We are not the elites of the league. We may be at season’s end. But not now.

I’m not that worried. We have scored goals and taken points. We are fine.

by Cornchops on Apr 15, 2010 9:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Good point

The goal is to be the best at the end of the year, not necessarily the best now. RSL is a great example of that last year.

In fact, at different times last year Seattle, then CUSA, then Houston, LAG, Columbus were all thought to be MLS’s best at one time or another. RSL was never thought to be the best until after the Cup.

by Coug1990 on Apr 16, 2010 7:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I still don't think of them as the best

They finished eighth on goal difference on the last day of the season, and then had a decent run of four games. That’s not exactly glorious, even if it’s worth some silverware.

by CarlosT on Apr 16, 2010 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

We'll learn a lot this week

I really believe chances will come in bunches this weekend. Whether scoring follows will tell us a lot.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Apr 15, 2010 9:13 PM PDT reply actions  

A combination of things, really

Look, the two Freds just don’t play that well together. They have moments, but not the kind of moments you’d expect from two enormously talented players. To illustrate that, Brian Ching has gotten all kinds of playing time on the national team, despite lacking several important qualities (mainly scoring), but he hooks up with Donovan like they were twins and has the much the same connection with several other players on the team. We don’t get that from the two Freds.

We have zero presence in the air, particularly in the box.

Montero: a talented guy who is slow on slow. I really don’t think this gets enough attention. Montero is easily the slowest player in MLS today (yes, that’s at ANY position). Easily. Defenses give him zero respect because they know that even if they get beat, they’ll recover. It’s a problem for Montero that will plague him, even if he gets that much rumored (and I keep saying it’ll never happen folks!!!) transfer. You can’t play at the top level without some degree of athleticism. If he doesn’t go to Norway or Denmark first, he’s making a huge mistake, because the level of play AND athleticism over there will just swallow that poor boy up.

Jaqua: A solid target man…. but unfortunately the kind who is more likely to make a great pass off his head than a shot. That’s reality. The guy can be magic with his passing at times, but there’s clearly no real killer instinct in the box. I think he does make a huge difference for us on the field…. just not the target guy everyone thinks he should be.

Ljundberg: he’s a poacher and always has been. Unfortunately, we’re playing him out of position, so there’s no poaching to be had.

Zak: Just needs to continue to grow—he’ll just keep getting better.

All that said and I’m going to agree with BayAreaRefugee: the goals are going to come. The team is just too talented not to score. Blaise will change everything.

by swansuite on Apr 16, 2010 5:07 AM PDT reply actions  

don't have a stroke...

…but i agree with much of what you conveyed. F&F don’t work well together at all, and each is much more concerned with offense. maybe egos colliding? neither looks to find the other much, let alone work together. it’s obvious they’d each rather have another partner in crime. and FM is slow, but i do like his 1st 3 steps. i just wish he’d work hard throughout his time on the field. he diminishes the overall team energy because he doesn’t.

i will also concede your header/target point in the box as well. my issue is energy, speed, and chemistry on the offensive end. Zak and Ljungberg are fine by me.

i noted you omitted any reference to Noonan. inserting him as a starter right away only further disrupted chemistry. so far he has done more to “clog” than open things up, and has been a non-factor. but i’m hopeful that will improve. i would also be cautious in pre-ordaining Nfuko as the savior, given the chemistry issues. but i would love him in there for crosses and corners regardless, and his energy and quickness. i do hope you’re right.

in the meantime, you already now my vote… plenty of speed and energy available right now with Fucito. i realize you don’t see it that way. let’s just agree to disagree for now (without the disparaging comments), and wait until he gets a solid 60 or 90 under his belt…

by roadrunner11 on Apr 16, 2010 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

No Stroke

I knew if I kept hanging around, we’d agree on something sooner or later… ; ) You’re also totally right that Montero has nice quickness and excellent feet. He shakes a lot of much faster guys with that first step or two. The problems mostly come before and after that.

My thing with Fucito is just that he needs to play in some meaningful second tier games first (open cup, concacaf cup, etc.) before we turn to a relatively inexperienced player to solve our seeming systemic issues. That said, we may not have that luxury. The problem may become so apparent and pressing that we simply have to try everything. I doubt we’ll get there (I’m expecting a nice breakout tomorrow).

The other thing that you haven’t mentioned, but is in Fucito’s favor, is that MLS has a history of being pretty kind to rookies and inexperienced players. Could be that his speed is just the antidote we’ve been looking for, but I’d rather wait a couple more games before going that route.

by swansuite on Apr 16, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Now is the time if we're looking to bring Fucito along this season

Early season MLS games rarely mean anything because there’s just so much time to recover. So we might as well throw him into league play to get him blooded early. The goal is to be in the top eight, then have four decent games. That’s the recipe for an MLS Championship.

by CarlosT on Apr 16, 2010 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

we're good

totally on the same page regarding montero. hope i get you on my page with Fucito sooner than later… :-) hoping we’ll see him tomorrow… because he may be the source of your breakout…

by roadrunner11 on Apr 17, 2010 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Academy

The U-18 Academy team has 4 players who could step in and contribute right away. It may be an issue of not wanting to spend money on a player that will block someone cheap.

by TheTank123 on Apr 16, 2010 6:22 AM PDT reply actions  

The Academy is the answer?

One, it can’t be until next year

Two, look into how teenagers do in MLS

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by Dave Clark on Apr 16, 2010 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Arsenalitis

Too much dicking around on the edges of the box waiting for the perfect chance.

by Graham MacAree on Apr 16, 2010 7:43 AM PDT reply actions  

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