Supporter for a Day - From within the ECS
Over the past couple years covering this sport I have made some good friends, be they the fellow members of the Council, many of the other Sounders bloggers (if I don't know you, you can't be a friend), some of the fellow members of the 214 even. All of those have made a ton of sense, but I also have a few friends in the Emerald City Supporterswho aren't on the Council, they aren't bloggers, they are just good people who follow the sport in a very different way than I do.
Due to a change of my own plans I needed a ticket to the game on Saturday, and I called one of these friends. They had the extra, but of course it would be in General Admission. I was asked if I was willing to sit there? I said of course, I will make a whole day of it - Fuel, their section of the March to the Match, the GA and ideally a post-game party.
This post is a different one for me, it isn't about the team, or the sport, instead it is about my day, my experiences as a Supporter for a Day.
Fuel - The day starts early. While yes, the bar opened at 8AM, I only show up at 9AM. Three hours of pre-game for a Noon start just feels right. There was immediate warmth despite my at times making statements that aren't necessarily ECS friendly. I was welcomed, not as a tourist, not as a potential member, but I was welcomed as a member of the family who hasn't been seen in too long a time.
It wasn't just that I was offered beers (I was), nor that people wanted my opinions about the game (Zakuani, Montero and Riley were popular topics), but likely due to me knowing several of the members through the Council even those that didn't know me personally reached out to welcome me on a day where I was a bit of an outsider. I'm older than their typical demographic. I only drink about a beer an hour. I like to watch the game from inside the stadium (I'm going to get back to that).
March to the Match- In the past there have been differences between the ECS and the team over the March to the Match. Most of these related to two issues - first year growing pains, the punk rock ethos (hat-tip to MFUSA) v corporate interests. Things eventually worked out, and the March is better for it.
The ECS does march separately, but they immediately follow the team led march. The chants are a bit more raucous with language that I only normally allow here in immediate comments in a gamethread. Several children watching kept asking their parents what certain songs meant, and the fathers quite simply stated "They are soccer songs. They are showing support" and left it at that.
In the front and sides of the ECS section of the March I saw roughly a dozen road marine flares lit and held up in pride. My first thought when I saw the flares was likely due to my time as a Boy Scout, but I worried about safety. I did not need to worry. The people with flares stayed highly aware of their surroundings. They stayed to the edge of the group. They were prepared to be responsible. It was well done, and added a certain ambiance.
General Admission - From the outside I have seen the section grow. No matter how you define section, by number of people, size of displays or even number of groups and sub-groups. There is a PA system installed this season and it really and truly helps the capos lead the chants. From within the section I did not notice the speakers, but honestly I didn't notice much besides those standing beside me, the flags waving in front of me and a sense of passion.
I was dead center of the GA, brought there by Greg Mockos in order to get me the maximum experience. From that spot the game became more than a game, it became a communal experience an experience that in ways reminded me in ways of my time in US Army Basic Training, and my time as a very active member in several church youth groups. There is something to a large group people acting in unity, it is a certain psychological high that comes from being one of many acting in unity.
It is even played up during two chants. I can't recall the two, and someone will be sure to mention which two, but we put our arms up around our neighbors and jumped in unison (pogo-ing). This physical closeness to a bunch of no-longer-strangers probably highlights the somewhat religious feeling.
You don't see the game from the section, maybe occaissional glimpses, but you experience the emotion of the match as if you have jacked into the emotions of all 35,000 people. A direct link between the entire crowd and your primal emotions. It is powerful, and enjoyable. Timm, a capo, mentioned that he hasn't actually seen live play in quite some time, but he doesn't miss it. That's what the DVR is for, match day is about more than the play on the pitch. He helps to lead, he helps to build that passion and connects the back of the section to the front.
There are still chants I will never sing - and I did not even while inside the group. But that experience was a day of joy, and emotion. My emotions were quite maximized by being in that group. Several readers of this blog, and people who helped to vote me onto the Council, were nearby when Fucito scored that winner. I exploded, I didn't see how it happened, and it didn't matter. I knew that I would see highlights and the match later, but then all that mattered was that the ball went in the net.
I hugged people that I had met that day. I was not confined to just high fiving strangers (a common occurance in the 214), but grabbing my neighbors in primal joy with tears and screams and lost voices, an explosion of passion.
I'm going to try and get a little 30 second video up from within, but I took it upside down, so I have to figure that out, but it should be up later today.
Final Thoughts - Yesterday the first hand experience taught me a few things. For some the game day experience is not about the game, it isn't about being provided with entertainment, it is about showing support for the team. That support helps the team emotionally, and many players mention that during post-game interviews. It is notable that while the team applauds and thanks every section of the stadium their final bow before they head to the lockers is in front of the GA in the "Brougham End." But only after wins.
While many judge the ECS and other supporter groups, I would highly recommend that you experience from within before you judge. It was a day that I am glad to have enjoyed. It is not something I can do every game, but it is a thing that helped me enjoy a Sounders gameday in a way that I never have. Try it, try it with any group, there are several, and if the ECS isn't right, maybe another one is.
I will likely experience a day with Gorilla FC and the North End Supporters in the future as well. But yesterday with the ECS, and a Fucito game winner, was a day of joy from sport that may not be rivaled due to that lucky confluence.
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Charles J
Cool article.
I am fortunate enough to sit right behind this group. Too old to sit in it, but I would like to try for one day.
When you sit with the North End Supporters, tell them to come up with something more original and a little cooler for the opposing goal kicks. I am embarrassed for them everytime the other team takes one. A lot like they are pledging a frat and the older members force them to yell that, while laughing at them thinking what a geek.
I think you got it pretty well on the nose...
…in the GA, in the midst of ECS, it’s way more about the group experience then it is about seeing the game. And that’s okay.
We see enough to know what’s up, what’s going on. But by becoming part of a bigger group, and being a more active part of the game, in a way we wind up feeling like we’re MORE a part of the overall game than the folks who’re sitting in the upper reaches of the rest of the stadium.
Do the prawn-sandwich eaters give an emotional boost to the players? Nope- but ECS and the rest of the fans that are screaming their lungs out can. And that’s what it’s all about for us.
Glad you came out and experienced it. If you’re willing to pogo and sing and so forth (even if you skip a few songs- which ones, BTW?) you’re welcome anytime!
by Blue Eyed Buddhist on Apr 18, 2010 9:47 AM PDT reply actions
I'll talk about that later
Let’s stick in this joyful mode for a bit
I am not a Supporter | I am not a Fan | I am a Sounder
Sounder At Heart
Thanks for coming
I’m sure I was pretty near where you were, and I’m glad you got to be a part of it.
If I may nitpick on a detail (i know you like details) – the flares are marine flares, not road flares. Burn time is much shorter which helps keep it safe and fun.
I don’t want anyone reading to decide they want to rush out to buy flares, and get the wrong ones…
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace R.I.P.
by phil26687 on Apr 18, 2010 10:24 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Actually...
this is something that every supporter who’s been around a while wishes that all that write about footy would get right, every time, from the first point. Marine flares are MEANT to be hand-held; they’re designed to spit and drip far less nasty burning gunk than road flares. See http://www.orionsignals.com/marine/Products/handheld.html for examples.
ECS has a guy (we’ve grown enough we’ve “got a guy” in all sorts of fields) that has marine industry connections and we group ordered a boatload (haha) of flares in bulk.
Rookie supporters get road flares and then have 15 to 30 minutes of pyro hell to deal with. And this isn’t just rookie supporter groups, either- I was in Germany with the Ultras Nurnberg 94 and they were dealing with the repercussions from a flare incident in the terraces at an away game that sent 8 or 9 guys to the hospital. :(
Done right, flares look awesome. Done wrong, they can really screw people up. ECS tries to do stuff right. :)
by Blue Eyed Buddhist on Apr 18, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Some people asked about the shirt I was wearing

I sell them on this site by the way.
I have a signed one that I will be wearing much more frequently now.
I am not a Supporter | I am not a Fan | I am a Sounder
Sounder At Heart
The first time I ever went to a game I was with some friends at half field.
It was a blast, but I couldn’t help but notice the GA section. At half time, I met up with a friend who had season tickets and spent every game over there. I’ll admit it, I was a bit jealous. The crowd I was around was fun, we yelled and clapped and cheered on our Sounders. But it was nothing compared to the general admissions section. Those guys sang non stop the whole game (even though we lost eventually), and it just looked like they were having an absolute blast.
Now with more lemon bars!
“You don’t see the game from the section, maybe occaissional glimpses, but you experience the emotion of the match as if you have jacked into the emotions of all 35,000 people.”
I have to comment this. I was standing almost right in front of you, and I saw most of the game, with maybe occasional moments blocked by a flag, two-pole or a scarf. That is how it is every time. Capos do not see the game live because they face the crowd, but even they watch the screen. If we did not see the game, we could not support.
I stand by the phrase
I certainly did not have the awareness of individual play, but instead I was able to sense the action. The details were blurry, I don’t have a problem with that. Timm was also clear that he follows the jumbotron intently.
I am not a Supporter | I am not a Fan | I am a Sounder
Sounder At Heart
I think what you described in your comment comes off quite differently from what you wrote in your original blog post.
On the more general point, I guess it is a matter of perspective. I understand that if you come to the GA from the good seats, it may seem like you see very little in the GA. The location in and of itself is bad for watching the game, and then there are the flags etc to block views. If you are used to the bad seats, adding a few flags etc does not seem like a severe impediment of your views. There were probably five or so times when I felt like flags etc prevented me from seeing something.
I forgot to say that I enjoyed your writeup very much. Good observations and it seems like you definitely understand what we do in the ECS. And more importantly, you understand the why.
The flags prevented me from seeing a lot, including the winning goal, and I was sitting in GA to the left of ECS.
I love ECS and I give a majority of the credit for the atmosphere at Qwest to them, but flags should never, ever be up while play is ongoing.
by Aaron Campeau on Apr 18, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
This is a tired debate by now...
…and what I think it boils down to is that in the GA, which is the designated supporters’ section, flags will be up during play. Period. It happens in plenty of other stadiums around the world, and it’s happening in ours, too.
The only way this is going to change is if the Sounders front office specifically bans this from happening. As far as I know (I’m just a plain old member, not ECS leadership) that’s not happened yet and not expected to happen any time soon.
I’m sorry for people that aren’t happy, but the GA is roughly 3% of the stadium. Folks that don’t like the flags will VERY likely be able to find a seats somewhere in the other 97% of the stadium. Even if ECS grows to the point of having, say, 6 sections, that still means that 94% of the stadium is without flags.
Some of the things that people have been carping about a bit (the flags up during the run of play, the speakers for the capo PA system, etc) in regard to ECS are part and parcel with the atmosphere. They’re inseparable. You want a great, strong, nutty supporter section with terrific overhead banners, singing, chanting, cheering, and color?
It comes with flags. And drums. And PA systems.
And you better believe our goal (granted, I’m just a plain old member, not a member of leadership) is to someday fill as much of the Brougham End with that nutty atmosphere as possible.
I’m writing this comment from Cusco, Peru. Went to the local game yesterday. About 40 or 50 supporters in the end, and they had drums, horns, and yes, flags going the entire game. Believe me, after listening to the horns tooting for 90+ minutes, be grateful we don’t do those. :)
We welcome anyone who wants to drop in and join the atmosphere. We do NOT want people to have a crappy experience at Sounders games. But we’re also a wee bit frustrated at people complaining that the supporters sections have people acting like… supporters. :|
by Blue Eyed Buddhist on Apr 18, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, we'll agree to disagree.
I don’t think the flags being up during play is at all necessary but I am also outnumbered by a great deal. It’s not enough to keep me out of GA but I wish someone could give me an explanation as to what blocking the view of spectators while the match is in progress adds to the experience.
However, it sounds as though this debate has been had in this and probably plenty of other forums, so no sense in rehashing it I suppose.
by Aaron Campeau on Apr 18, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, we agree more than you might think...
I agree it’s not NECESSARY. :)
We could all just sit down and watch the game quietly. Flags aren’t necessary. As evidenced by comments below, some stadiums don’t do flags while play is going. Songs aren’t necessary. Chants aren’t necessary. Two-poles or banners or overheads aren’t necessary. Some places do some, all, or none of these things.
But some do. Including us. :)
And I keep hearing this “blocking the view of spectators”, and I say again- GA is less than 3% of the stadium. If you don’t like what happens there, MOVE.
I mean, I don’t want to be intentionally rude, but come on- there’s over 35,000 tickets sold every game that are away from the GA. Thousands of them are for the same price as the GA sections. For that matter, the outsides of 121 and 123 are portions of the GA where folks can sit/stand and not have their view blocked by flags.
The flags cover only a tiny portion of the stadium. So if I sound like a stereotypical rude ECS member when I say something that sounds like “tough luck, if you don’t like it, move” there’s a pretty good reason for that. Common sense.
Frankly, we don’t really feel like we owe folks an explanation why we like flags (despite the fact that I tried, above). We do ‘em because we like ’em. If you don’t, don’t stand there. We’re not out to ruin your experience, but to improve ours in the way we see fit.
ECS wants people to have a good time at the game and to support the Sounders; please make no mistake about that.
by Blue Eyed Buddhist on Apr 18, 2010 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
They had flags UP during the entire game?
Because as someone who just spent over a month touring football stadiums in England, I can tell you those flags come down as soon as play resumes.
Throw them up on a whistle,ok, fine. Have them up before the halves. But there are quite a few people who love to be in the supporters section who do not like having to squint between the flags.
And it’s really annoying to be told that we’re not acting like supporters by anyone within ECS. It’s quite possible to be a supporter without blocking the view of the field during important matches.
Coming Soon to SBN: Aston Villa!
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Apr 18, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
And yes, I support almost everything else that ECS and other supporters do.
I just don’t think that blocking the field educates anyone on how to appreciate footy.
Coming Soon to SBN: Aston Villa!
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Apr 18, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Support however you see fit!
You have every right to support however you want. If you want to dress up like a fool and spike your mohawk and mug for the cameras and form a “supporters group” that puffs up your ego by putting your own image onto the scarves you sell other people, by all means, go ahead.
I think it’s stupid, so I won’t be doing it.
Likewise, what we do in ECS might be something YOU think is stupid. If so, don’t join ECS, or join but don’t take part in the stuff you find stupid.
I agree it’s entirely possible to be a supporter without a blocked view of the field. But in ECS, that’s how we roll, and that’s how it’s going to go.
And I just came from a game in Cusco, Peru, and they had flags up the entire game. They also called their owner, their coach, and their own PLAYERS obscene words, vehemently, in mixed company. And they didn’t even lose; it was just a draw. I have to wonder how nasty they get if they lose!
by Blue Eyed Buddhist on Apr 18, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Dude, don't you see how it's hypocritical to insult other supporters groups while exhaulting ECS?
Also, you weren’t even at the game yesterday. You don’t know what happened in GA. You weren’t standing on the edge of 121—which you have decided is a GA area in which your views won’t be blocked by a flag—and not able to see the game winning goal because a flag is up for no reason.
There is no reason to be so divisive within a supporters section. I love the atmosphere of GA. I love chanting, I love jumping, I love singing. I love the fact that ECS brings that to GA.
I also happen to love football, and love being able to watch the game. All I’m asking is why do we have to choose one or the other?
There’s going to have to be a time when ECS stops immediately being so defensive about their actions and starts actually listening to what other supporters have to say—supporters who love their Sounders just as much. That’s really the only way the atmosphere at Qwest will continue to grow and prosper.
Coming Soon to SBN: Aston Villa!
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Apr 18, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Flags are awesome
Full stop.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace R.I.P.
by phil26687 on Apr 18, 2010 4:56 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I never really saw the winner
I actually thought it was assisted by a player no longer on the field.
I FELT it go in, and then realized which player it was that scored.
I loved that day’s experience, but feedback is a necessary and valuable element to growth. I say this as a supporter of supporters, but most of all a Sounder.
I am not a Supporter | I am not a Fan | I am a Sounder
Sounder At Heart
it's not hypocritical at all...
…when you consider that I strongly believe they should have a right to support however they see fit, even if I think it’s stupid.
Likewise, I believe ECS should have that same right. Thus, I’m not a hypocrite; my actions agree with my words.
And what makes you think that ECS doesn’t listen to other supporters? Listening and agreeing with what they might say (and changing our actions) are two entirely different things.
The very fact that several ECS members have chimed in here proves that we’re listening. Simply because ECS doesn’t say “gosh, you’re right, we’ll change our practices immediately!” doesn’t mean we’re not listening.
Personally, I would prefer to see every single ticket for 121-122-123 labeled “possibly obstructed view”, and new GA sections created in 120 and 124 for those folks who presently are in 121-122-123 and not happy about the various supporter activities. I will suggest that to Gary Wright when I get a chance.
If it doesn’t happen, it doesn’t mean he wasn’t listening. ;)
by Blue Eyed Buddhist on Apr 20, 2010 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions
If the flags only affected those in ECS it would be one thing.
I want to jump and yell and chant and sing and call the referee all sorts of dirty things when he deserves it, but I’d also like to watch the match. If I could do both things in a different section of Qwest it would be one thing, but I can’. And I realize that majority will rule, but I’d like to think that ECS would at least be willing to listen to criticisms from other very rambunctious supporters when they are offered. I don’t always get that sense, and it’s kind of frustrating.
by Aaron Campeau on Apr 18, 2010 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions
That should read "can't" in that second sentence.
Might change around the point of that comment a bit otherwise.
by Aaron Campeau on Apr 18, 2010 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
England is a bad choice
Kirsten,
I appreciate your feedback, but please be advised that England is a bad choice when it comes to football support. They have practically castrated the supporters over there. Fans are forced to sit down. No beer is allowed in the seats. Terraces were taken away. Granted, they are not required to be a supporter, but they have shut out and arrested people for creating the types of atmospere they had in the past. If you watch an EPL match now, it’s very evident as the song volumes are a fraction of what they were before. Of course hooliganism has caused them to lose a lot of their privileges, but the adminstrations have taken way too far to the other side now. Having been to England myself and speaking with those who go to matches there, many supporters envy a lot of the things that we can do here.
"If you watch an EPL match now, it’s very evident as the song volumes are a fraction of what they were before."
Really? Because I watched my Villa against Pompey this morning and the atmosphere was incredible. Pompey Chimes rang out at a level that made it nearly impossible to hear the commentators and the Villa supporters drowned that out with praises of John Carew after his equalizer.
A lot is made of the difference in crowd support in England now and crowd support in England pre-Hillsborough, but based on what I can discern a small amount of rowdiness has been sacrificed in order to help prevent violence in the stands and fatal crushes.
by Aaron Campeau on Apr 18, 2010 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Really?
Because I didn’t sit down at one match. I watched banners and signs being unfurled in the national stadium. I heard people being just as loud as they were there.
Trust me, I speak with plenty of people who go to matches there, on a daily basis in fact. And one of the things that I love is that they know about the Sounders—because of our crowd support. I think that’s awesome.
This wasn’t meant to turn into an us-versus-them thing. I realize people do things differently around the world. The only point I was trying to make is that I want to watch the game, within GA, within the excellent atmosphere that ECS provides.
Coming Soon to SBN: Aston Villa!
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Apr 18, 2010 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I want to add on to Kirsten's last sentence here:
to me, this isn’t an us-versus-them at all, it’s an us talking to each other sort of thing.I hate disharmony amongst fanbases, but I think healthy debate is a wonderful thing as long as all parties are truly engaged.
by Aaron Campeau on Apr 18, 2010 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm glad you got to be there, Dave.
It certainly looks like fun down there, and I’d try it once, maybe. But for me, I am so hyper-focused on the play on the field (even at home with the TV; The Wife finds it ridiculous) that the flags and poor view would drive me crazy.
I don’t mind the ECS and other groups; I fully support what they are doing. I’m not a member, but I have contributed small amounts to their tifo fund. The more they do, the better my experience is at Qwest.
On another note, I’ve felt that the width of the jumping and chanting and waving has narrowed this year. I was expecting and hoping for a significant increase in the raucousness of the BE (do to the less hardy moving out, and the more desirous moving in), but I haven’t felt it, from the 214. Both games I’ve been to (Philly, KC), it seems like the whole stadium has been quieter overall. I wish it wasn’t so, but that’s what my ears tell me. What’s the view in the ECS? Have things gotten bigger and louder?
A bit of both...
We had a couple hundred new folks move into the GA this season, and a large portion of those were ECS. However, not all of them are die-hard into the singing/chanting/pogoing.
Some want to, but don’t know the songs. Others want to but are afraid of looking/sounding like dorks. (Fortunately, this doesn’t stop many of our members, including me.) But more of them are coming around, and learning, and so forth.
It’s a balance kind of thing- finding the happy medium between being all aggro-ultra and getting in people’s faces and telling them “look, if you’re not going to sing, don’t get into our section” or being all passive-aggressive Seattleish and just fuming at them under our breath but never saying anything and thus they think what they’re doing is okay.
ECS continuously strives to find that happy medium. We argue about it on our web forum and other Sounders forums. But in the end, we want everyone to have a good time at the game, and we want our section (or sections!) to be the biggest, best, most dedicated, colorful, LOUD supporters area in the world, not just MLS.
Stadium overall? Bit quieter, methinks. But I’ve only done one game in my section 130 seats, and one in my GA seats. I think there’s an additional 10K or so of new folks in the stadium that are learning how it works, plus we’re off to a bit of a slower start.
by Blue Eyed Buddhist on Apr 18, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I commented to friends yesterday that ECS seemed quieter.
Within the GA section there are definitely people getting fed up with ECS, and I hope it doesn’t come to a point where it’s more about anger between different supporters than actually getting out there and supporting your team. ECS does great things, and people shouldn’t deliberately plant themselves in GA and not sing/chant just to make a point.
Yesterday it honestly felt to me that it was the day game getting to people—like they just weren’t quite awake yet. I hope that was the case and we see more excitement for Columbus.
Coming Soon to SBN: Aston Villa!
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Apr 18, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I forgot this point.
Also, when I went to Starfire, I seem to recall multiple ECS leaders. Anyone know why that’s not happening at Qwest? I can’t hear the megaphones if I sit in GA just to the left of the main section. If I could, I’d be singing better. I wonder if perhaps the excitement not extending is because we have no one to guide us in the other two sections?
Coming Soon to SBN: Aston Villa!
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Apr 18, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Hard to say
From inside if it’s quieter or not. It’s hard to compare reality to a memory; is it really lesser, or do we remember it bigger than it was?
Either way, the goal is always to be bigger, louder, and better. Every day.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace R.I.P.
by phil26687 on Apr 18, 2010 4:59 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, ECS was quieter yesterday.
It was like this for day games last year also.
I think the typical reaction of a fan when the game is scoreless or we’re down a goal is to shut up and be hyper focused, tractor-beam staring at the game… And ECS tries to do just the opposite, to break up the atmosphere of nervousness… but we are all just human too. And when the team was playing so poorly I saw plenty of ECS members just STFU on Saturday.
Lack of "flare"...
Let’s remember that it has rained at every home mach so far. We don’t bring out all the 2-pole and some other stuff if it’s raining. That’s why it may seem like there’s less “flare”. Also, the rain can make it difficult to stay chipper, know what I mean. Just you wait….it’s about to get epic…:)
Glad you joined us for a day.
I have found it rather amazing how much of a lightning rod ECS is for so many people. It is the case even in my own group of friends where some love it and some hate it. I have been there last year and again this year, but next year I hope to take my child to games so I may move elsewhere.
First off let me say how much fun I have in that section. I get to use my gift of being loud without having any problems. I do not mind the occasional blocked view of the game personally as it is just so enjoyable to be a part of a group of people who make so much noise. ECS is a neat and in my opinion needed part of the Sounders experience.
Now, the main reason I will move is that too many in the ECS need to chill out on the anger. They need to grasp how blessed they are to have a section like this. For the past 20 years I have been getting yelled at for being too loud at Mariner games. To actually have the team on board with what you are doing is such a cool thing to behold. Enjoy it rather than get so defensive. Definitely stop staring down or yelling at people who do not join in on every single chant. I have taken a few newbies to games and one said he is never coming back because of how he was treated by some ECS members. It was his first damn game and he got yelled at three times for not cheering.
Militant behavior, whether for or against fan involvement, is counterproductive. I fully grasp the battle that ECS wages in terms of all the complainers against what they do, but to guarantee we do not lose what we have been given I feel ECS needs to stop giving people a reason to dislike them.
by Sec 108 on Apr 19, 2010 11:15 AM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Flags, and why they go up.
Why are the flags used?
They are used as visual support for the team that synchronizes with the audio support.
It all combines to create a certain type of atmosphere.
Make no mistake. There are supporters groups all over the world and each one does things differently, even if they seem similar.
Why flags? Flags help inspire everyone to get get louder and more active and project that energy into the game and onto our players.
The whole stadium sees those flags. It helps them to get more involved.
The purpose of a Supporters Group is to support the team. It is to do what it can to inspire the team on to victory. Visual support is part of that. The players see that, and they see that we care. They hear the energy, they SEE the energy and they FEEL the energy. it hits them from as many senses as possible. Heck, if we were allowed smoke bombs they would smell and taste the energy too… lol…
Area few blocked views more important than the rest of the stadium getting louder because they see the Brougham End going crazy? Are a few blocked views more important than the team SEEING that support and feeling more inspired to put forth that extra effort to get the win when they are feeling tired?
Remember, Supporters Groups are there to help will the team on to victory. Not worry about blocked views.
There is room for everyone in Qwest. Everyone just has to be honest about what they like and be willing to MOVE and get different seats. Rather then complain about how they are entitled to this or that. The ECS can not move somewhere else in the stadium and do what they do. Individuals who don’t like what they do can.
Good seeing you Dave!
My girlfriend Jen and I somehow managed sitting right behind you on Saturday. Good seeing you man and always enjoy your articles. You should make it down more often… :)
So about the flags… Honest question… Why would someone sit in the GA if that person didn’t like the flags, or don’t like ECS for that matter? Is it because that person likes the atmosphere, all BUT not the flags during the run of play? I don’t understand why a person, who has chances to sit elsewhere in the stadium for the same price would choose to sit in the GA where there is a sizable minority of ECS folks who want flags going all the time.
Isn’t that a bit like walking up to a jukebox at a country bar and playing a bunch of hip hop? Rather than try imposing your will on the folks who want the flag waving during the run of play atmosphere, why not go to the hip hop bar to begin with?
by soundersfcfanboy on Apr 19, 2010 6:11 PM PDT reply actions
Nowhere else in the stadium offers anywhere near the environment that GA does.
As I said before, it’s not enough to keep me out of GA, and no one is trying to impose their will on anyone. It’s something I would consider to be a valid criticism and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with voicing it.
by Aaron Campeau on Apr 19, 2010 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs

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