Today's Episode of Small Sample Size Theater
Sometimes the statistics mean nothing, but still make you smile. Like Ianni having a Plus/Minus per 90 Minutes of 90, or Fucito having a Points Per 90 of 9.00.
But they still make me smile.
Tomorrow is a Reserve Game and I hope to update the sidebars after that, but today here are the current statistics in League Play
|
Player |
Min |
G |
A |
Pts |
Pts Per 90 |
CS |
Raw +/- |
+/- Per 90 |
|
Fucito |
20 |
1 |
0 |
2 |
9 |
0 |
1 |
4.5 |
|
Scott |
90 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
2 |
2 |
|
Vagenas |
90 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
|
Gonzalez |
315 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
2 |
3 |
0.857 |
|
Montero |
343 |
1 |
2 |
4 |
1.049562682 |
2 |
3 |
0.787172012 |
|
Evans |
290 |
1 |
1 |
3 |
0.931034483 |
1 |
2 |
0.620689655 |
|
Marshall |
360 |
1 |
0 |
2 |
0.5 |
2 |
2 |
0.5 |
|
Keller |
360 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
2 |
2 |
0.5 |
|
Hurtado |
360 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
2 |
2 |
0.5 |
|
Alonso |
360 |
0 |
1 |
1 |
0.25 |
2 |
2 |
0.5 |
|
Levesque |
186 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
1 |
0.483870968 |
|
Zakuani |
301 |
1 |
1 |
3 |
0.897009967 |
1 |
1 |
0.299003322 |
|
Ljungberg |
329 |
0 |
1 |
1 |
0.273556231 |
2 |
1 |
0.273556231 |
|
Riley |
270 |
0 |
1 |
1 |
0.333333333 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
|
Nyassi |
44 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
|
Noonan |
194 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
|
Noonan |
194 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
|
King |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
|
Jaqua |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
|
Graham |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
|
Estrada |
7 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
|
Boss |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
|
Wahl |
45 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
-1 |
-2 |
|
Sturgis |
17 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
-1 |
-5.294117647 |
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Ianni @ +1?
Pat Ianni, came in after the Fucito goal yesterday.
And Wahl is @ -1.
by Mike @ GoSounders on Apr 18, 2010 6:58 PM PDT reply actions
Sounders release had Ianni in at the 89th minute
That would put him on just prior to the goal.
SEA — Michael Fucito 1 (Brad Evans 1) 92+
Kansas City Wizards — Jimmy Nielsen, Michael Harrington, Jimmy Conrad (Matt Besler 32), Pablo Escobar, Roger Espinoza, Davy Arnaud, Stephane Auvray, Jack Jewsbury, Ryan Smith, Kei Kamara (Chance Myers 89), Josh Wolff (Teal Bunbury 82).
Substitutes Not Used: Birahim Diop, Santiago Hirsig, Craig Rocastle, Eric Kronberg.
TOTAL SHOTS: 9 (Davy Arnaud 2, Pablo Escobar 2); SHOTS ON GOAL: 2 (Davy Arnaud 1, Chance Myers 1); FOULS: 12 (Kei Kamara 4); OFFSIDES: 0; CORNER KICKS: 9 (Ryan Smith 8); SAVES: 1 (Jimmy Nielsen 1)
Seattle Sounders — Kasey Keller, James Riley, Jhon Kennedy Hurtado, Tyrone Marshall, Leo Gonzalez, Pat Noonan (Brad Evans 70), Osvaldo Alonso, Peter Vagenas, Steve Zakuani (Michael Fucito 85), Freddie Ljungberg (Patrick Ianni 89), Fredy Montero.
As for Wahl, you are correct. He was on the pitch for both of RSL’s goals, and only one of the Sounders in that match.
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Sigi's comment
Was that he was trying to get the sub (Ianni) in before the kickoff after the winning goal, but the 4th official was dragging his feet. Ianni came on after the near disaster.
Also note that the first line in your blockquote has him in at 92+, which would be the correct time. The time in the lineup at the bottom is wrong.
First line in block quote doesn't mention Ianni
I’ll go through the Sigi quotes in my email
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Sigi in the game notes
Sigi Schmid – Sounders FC Head Coach
(General comments . . .) “I’m happy with the win. I’ll always take a win. Mike Fucito works hard in training and he battles. He was alert and made a good run behind the defense. He hit it and didn’t take extra touches, which we sometimes do in the box. It felt good to win on a late goal. We played better than we did in Salt Lake but still not up to standards we set for ourselves.”
(On Michael Fucito . . .) “He has a never say die attitude. Sometimes that’s what you need on the field. Sometimes you can die with beauty and sometimes you can succeed with simplicity.”
(On Brad Evans . . .) “It has been a tough week for Brad. He takes things pretty personal and pretty deep. He was still carrying a lot of responsibility in the early part of the week. Peter Vagenas does a lot for us on the field and he talks a lot on the field so he makes people around him better. For sure, Brad is not out of our plans and he showed that by contributing on the goal.”
(On control of tempo . . .) “We needed to get some energy in the game. We had good chances in the first half that we could have scored on. I thought before the substitution for Brad they had control for ten minutes. Bringing him in changed our energy.”
(On referees . . .) “It was an interesting game from the referees standpoint. I see it both ways. I can’t say anything on the offside call on Freddie. There are some calls that I’m far away from so I’m sure he got them right. There were others that I didn’t fully understand. It was an interesting game.”
(On Kansas City near goal at end . . .) “We almost fell asleep there for a second. I actually wanted to get the sub on before the kickoff and the fourth official was dragging his feet. I think Mike was in a state of euphoria still and didn’t get back on the left side on defense. I think he’ll be in that state for the next 72 hours.”
(On bloody jerseys . . .) “We’ve called Adidas and asked for a new shipment of jerseys because we’re running out.”
(On Sounders FC offense . . .) “We’re trying to be varied in our attack and have different people pop up in different places. We stay up too high sometimes as a front four. Sometimes we become stagnant, need to be flexible and variable in our attack.”
Now, I’ll admit I had to go off the official release, as I could not see the action.
MatchCenter also has the the following
92:35 Substitution Seattle Sounders FC Freddie Ljungberg
93rd Minute. Substitution: 4-Patrick Ianni for 10-Freddie Ljungberg, 89 minutes played.
So I’ll go with 2 of 3 “official” sources
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Please explain
points per 90. I thought I got it, but I don’t. I even tried my normal Google searches and turned up nothing. Is it an easy explanation? Or is there an article/wiki entry I could read?
It's really simple, once you know the trick...
Which is two points for a goal, one for an assits. Here’s the formula, at least as applied here: (Gx2)+A/minutes x 90.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Apr 18, 2010 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally
Actually…your applying the equation (((G*2)+A)/Min)*90 for PP90 :)
by Mike @ GoSounders on Apr 21, 2010 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions
To expound a little further ...
Like BAR said, the points in Point Per Ninety are personal points, not the points the team accumulates. Personal points are designed to be a measure of offensive contribution. A player’s point total is a single number that you can use to compare him with others. Points per ninety takes that number and turns it into an effectiveness stat, the idea being that given the same amount of time, a player with a higher PP90 will contribute more offense.
So if Fucito’s PP90 of 9 were “real” and not mainly due to the side effects of dealing with small numbers, we’d expect him to provide some combination of assists and goals that would total nine points for every ninety minutes he played. So four goals and an assist or three goals and three assists, or whatever. Fucito’s number is a good example of the grain of salt you sometime have to take PP90 with, which is that a sub who comes on and scores a goal can have a ridiculously and misleadingly high PP90, which shouldn’t be compared with those who have been playing the majority of minutes. But it is a good metric for players who have around the same amount of minutes.
Plus, it's a fun stat
Especially in small-sample sizes
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Apr 18, 2010 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions
True enough
Although I guarantee that if Fucito had a real PP90 of 9, he wouldn’t be playing for the Sounders, but for Man U or Barcelona or some other European powerhouse.
Thank you
BayArea and Carlos. I knew it was some measure of effectivity but I didn’t understand how the calculation was made, nor what it was really supposed to represent. Since I am a numbers freak and also an Excel nerd, now you’re gonna get me to combing various player stats and running their numbers and probably building a huge automated spreadsheet. I feel an unproductive day at work coming up tomorrow…
by chrisperry1983 on Apr 18, 2010 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Leo
Why do you have his minutes so low? I thought he was only out for half of the RSL game. MLS website has his minutes at 311.
I'll look back at the spreadsheet
I’m betting that I entered data wrong, as opposed to using wrong data.
Hmm, maybe waiting 48 hours has been a good idea.
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it's fixed
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Apr 18, 2010 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Does MLS track passes?
Like % completion and such. That would be another good way of tracking effectiveness I guess.
I love me some stats, Soccer could always use more of them.
I'm sure they do
Whether they make them available or not is another question. Elias Sports Bureau is the one actually putting the stats together for MLS, and that’s a pretty fundamental stat and I have a hard time imagining that they wouldn’t capture that info.
Stats are fun
It would be really interesting to see passes broken down not just to completion percentage, but to degree of difficulty, looking at who is attempting and completing difficult or creative passes, and conversely, who cannot be relied on even for easy passes.
I could also see a breakdown of how well guys receive passes. Do they trap well? Can they one-time it successfully? How often do they win the 50/50’s in the air?
While baseball statistics are certainly highly relevant, I feel like some of this would be similar to how the guys at FootballOutsiders.com break down every single play according to situation, quality of defense, and a whole host of other factors. A lot of their information is readily available on most play-by-play descriptions, so that doesn’t help the data gathering problem for MLS games, or soccer in general.

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