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Quick Review: Terry Vaughn had 3 Assists in Sounders 2-2 Draw at Dallas

I like to blog about tactics. I like to blog about players. I like to blog about the game. Very rarely do I blog about referees. Tonight, in this thread I will. But still not much. We'll break the game itself down more later, but for now, let's just note that the referee should be given an assist on both PKs and the Montero Free Kick.

Terry Vaughn became the game. Late Sounders were getting run-over from behind with no call. And then finally while the Sounders apply solid defense somehow a penalty is granted. Boss guessed wrong and 3 points became 1 in a road match where a draw would have been the 'proper' result, it came about in a completely wrong manner.

Seattle showed weaknesses tonight, the same ones we typically see, but we also saw that promise that they can be more. In a match with Keller only going 45, and Ljungberg about 15 the Sounders were very close to getting a win on the road.

The story this evening throughout MLS will not be about Cunningham, nor Montero, not about Harris, nor Zakuani, it will be about Terry Vaughn, and that's a shame.

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The ref was calling things early and throwing around cards

and then the last 5 minutes decided not to call any fouls. Except for that late PK which was atrocious to my eyes. Not sure what was going through the Ref’s head.

Now with more lemon bars!

by Fear on Apr 22, 2010 7:48 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

league credibility

I love what this league is doing with the extra DPs, which is an important step towards developing credibility. I don’t think we will actually achieve that until we have world class refs. When ya can’t even get an evenly called game it makes us look bush-league

by Holum on Apr 22, 2010 8:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Actually this wasn’t the only time i heard of where a player taking a dive and was awarded a PK. Last time i heard that happen it was in one of the European league games.

by gstommylee on Apr 22, 2010 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry but you are wrong.

This is a no call in every other league. No ref is calling a questionable PK in the closing minutes. Except in MLS.

by LonelyintheBleachers on Apr 23, 2010 7:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was talking about diving that resulted in getting a PK not that it was in stoppage time.

by gstommylee on Apr 23, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed: officiating destroys credibility

It is pitiful. If this were a one off event, it might be forgivable. But it is endemic. The ref is often the story.

I think it simultaneously holds back the soccer fan from becoming an avid fan an the soccer curious from becoming a fan at all.

I have read here and elsewhere strange excuses like “that’s just the way it is in MLS.” it doesn’t have to be. We can protest loudly, work our ownership, write letters and make it an issue.

The league can’t grow or mature until it addresses this issue.

Shameful.

by zeagle on Apr 22, 2010 8:15 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think the biggest issue and its not just this game nor its just this ref. If refs don’t start calling for diving. Players will dive and that doesn’t matter who that person that dives if its ljungberg montero or some player on another team and that is something the league will need to address.

by gstommylee on Apr 22, 2010 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope they review and issue a statement about why it was a bad call

They seem to be dogging everybody else’s goals in the league. Dallas better get the same treatment. In addition I hope they fine him for diving. I was sick to my stomach when I saw the call being made.

by chrisperry1983 on Apr 22, 2010 8:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Honestly i think fining him for diving may potentially stop him from doing that again but overall is not enough imo cause someone else is going to do that and get a PK cause they know the can get away with it most of the time.

by gstommylee on Apr 22, 2010 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

He should at least be punished

It won’t give us our two points back, but at least if they issue a statement there will be some sort of vindication.

by chrisperry1983 on Apr 22, 2010 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Punished yes but how is punishing one guy will get the rest of the players to not do that. You need to punish everyone that does that. Only then It will stop.

Same thing with the thuggery the refs need to be harsh and show yellows and reds and yes fans will object and go at the refs for that but if that what it takes to clean up the game then that what happens.

by gstommylee on Apr 22, 2010 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yikes.

Just watched the highlights. Rough!

Can someone let me know why Keller subbed out?

by zeeehjee on Apr 22, 2010 8:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Keller was having some vision problems because of the challenge that resulted in the first pk.

by majora999 on Apr 22, 2010 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

You could give Vaughn a 4th assist

for ignoring Hurtado’s flattening of a Dallas player that started the possession that led to Zak’s goal.

by bauckus on Apr 22, 2010 8:37 PM PDT reply actions  

but it didn't result in a PK in the 94th minute.

Give that train of thought a rest. It was 4 defenders on 3 on Zaks goal and Hurtado wasn’t even in the picture. Zak dribbled in from 50 yards out. You can’t compare that to a terrible call that results in a PK at the 94 minute.

Get some perspective.

by soundersfcfanboy on Apr 23, 2010 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Settle down

I was just pointing out that the ref was involved at some level in all 4 goals. I was not in any way implying equivalence between the 94th minute dive and a call that could have gone either way 70 yards away from the goal, and I certainly did not mean to detract from Zak’s sensational run and finish.

by bauckus on Apr 23, 2010 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Depressing...

to see only a handful of people in that beautiful stadium.

by zeeehjee on Apr 22, 2010 8:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Why I'm sad

Apart from the two points we were about to receive I’m sad that Montero’s AMAZING free kick will be hardly talked about because the officiating took the spotlight. I also thought Estrada fit in fairly well with his first regular season start. Too bad no one will be interested in talking about them.

by Brian 2.0 on Apr 22, 2010 8:56 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

To be fair,

It was the number 5 highlight on Sportscenters top 10 tonight.

by Mind of no mind on Apr 23, 2010 3:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

The view over at 3rdDegree is intriguing

The opening paragrahs

There is no justice in football, so they say.

Surely, that’s what Seattle Sounders’ supporters will be yelling to the Soccer Gods and anyone who will listen. And they are probably right, at least for one night.

The ending

So, as Dallas and Seattle fans both found out Thursday night, the Soccer Gods can be fickle creatures, deciding only to intervene on the whistle of a referee with shaky judgment. I think they also know the only way to get out of funk from which they currently suffer is to play through it.

So hang in there, just or not, the Soccer Gods will be out there all season.

Read the whole thing

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by Dave Clark on Apr 22, 2010 9:01 PM PDT reply actions  

If only it were the Gods

…flukes, luck and even divine intervention happen. This is not that.

This is a consistent, clear and demonstrable pattern of poor officiating.

It’s not about the result; its about the quality of the product being tainted regularly by the ref. It damages the product — and the Soccer Gods should be alarmed.

by zeagle on Apr 22, 2010 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s more than just that though. More than how the refs decide to call the game. If the teams are going to play to where the ref decides then there a problem. If Seattle could close out the game today with another goal or two then it wouldn’t matter with that questionable call. Same could be said with Dallas and everyone else in this league.

Seattle played like crap and it came down to a questionable call by the ref.

by gstommylee on Apr 22, 2010 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe

I don’t disagree that this was not a well played game by either side, but that does not excuse shoddy officiating.

MLS officiating is random, inconsistent and very often becomes the story — regardless of the play on the field. It is an enormous problem. I’m pro-MLS and want to see the league grow and thrive. It is held back by poor officiating.

by zeagle on Apr 22, 2010 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

To some extent yes, but

Do you just say, well I guess we should win every match by 3 goals, then! Oh well! How realistic is that?

by Nevtelen on Apr 22, 2010 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

total crap

I don’t think the BS penalty at the end should obscure the bad performance by the Sounders tonight. The first half was probably the worst half of soccer this team has played. They were awful. Levesque looks lost. Estrada was nervous. Montero was apathetic. Zak was nothing until the goal (which was pretty sweet). This team has some serious motivation problems. Not sure what the answer is, but they better figure it out quick. A draw was probably deserved, but not the way it happened.

by jamesington on Apr 22, 2010 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

This I agree with...

…it is a total shame that shoddy officiating becomes the story.

The team looked lost for 40 minutes, found some form for 30 minutes and then lost it again when it mattered most.

We all had hoped for the magic of a season under the belt plus a pre-season of practice and an established identity would have banished these ghosts. In some ways, it is worse.

I sure hope this to do with the funky line up and a road game.

by zeagle on Apr 22, 2010 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

totally agree with gstommylee

We had a couple of beauties and they had a couple of PK’s. It was a typical MLS game to start both halves, but Dallas pretty much dominated the last quarter. We need to finish (Levesque).

Having said that we did give some time to folks who don’t normally play much.

Having said that…. Why? I thought the lineup was a bit questionable. Why not start FL? Is Estrada going to start getting worked into the lineup? It seemed like our entire offense was invisible for most of the game except on goals. I was only seeing plays made by our defense. lame

by soundersfcfanboy on Apr 23, 2010 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have a feeling

Freddie is hurt more than he’s let on. And I’m not so sure his absence had anything to do with the quality of play. I actually thought Estrada brought some good energy and, while probably overthinking a bit, showed promise.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Apr 23, 2010 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agree on Estrada

He gave up possession too easily a few times early on, but showed good energy and technical skill on the whole.

by bauckus on Apr 23, 2010 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

This really, really sucked

On the other hand, we’re on eight points after five games, which is pacing for 48 points. That’s not a Supporters’ Shield pace, but it’s probably a playoff pace, and in the end that’s what really matters.

I am interested in hearing what Paul “Unfair Advantage” Tamberino will have to say about this one. I get the feeling that he’s going to try to say that the ref made exactly the right call. Which just diminish the credibility of refereeing in MLS.

by CarlosT on Apr 22, 2010 11:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Compared to two weeks ago

While the RSL game felt like it was a fair result, especially in light of the fact that we put ourselves in a position to fail in that game, this really felt awful. No, it wasn’t a perfect game. But after a very rough start, I thought the Sounders rebounded admirably. We had the better chances. We had the late lead. I don’t know how much better you can ask on the road. I definitely need to watch this game again, but my initial reaction, unlike against RSL, was that this was a game we deserved to win.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Apr 22, 2010 11:33 PM PDT reply actions  

BTW

if these things really do ‘even out’ (which I generally don’t buy), I wouldn’t want to be in Dallas’ shoes at the end of the season. They’re near the bottom of the table now, but 2 of their points (vs us and vs Columbus) came on bad last-second calls that allowed them to get a tie in stoppage. Without those bad calls going their way, they’d be down there almost with DCU, with only 1 point.

by Nevtelen on Apr 22, 2010 11:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Seasoned Officiating

   I have become disheartened by the attempts of the Referees to grasp a hold on the players and a touch on the pace of the league.. Perhaps the intensity is too much and the High energy is confusing to quite a few, somewhat seasoned officials…First and Foremost, I want to say that I am Postive about the officiating in the MLS. But we can all take a step forward in the reality of a need for impeccable officiating! I would hope that after 10 years of experience in the FIFA realm that a seasoned veteran referee would be able to decyfer a desperate attempt on the Dallas player who had no chance on the play and with the dive maneuver that was inexcusable.The official didnt really see it! He was tired..Lame.. A serious thought should be given to a sideline ruling with possible replay review! Is this so off track and should it be demanded to make the right thing happen..This has been a long time coming and We (Football players/coaches/referees) should make the move toward a good game! Foul replays are inevitable when the game is on the line, it should be standard practice..

by Rodney Marsh on Apr 23, 2010 3:50 AM PDT reply actions  

Wow

So it is amazing how few of you get Karma, last week a bad call gave you a win and nobody in KC was calling for heads to roll, nobody wanted blood in the streets. You get the bad end of a call and act as if your entitled to justice, really.

I love what your franchise has done for the league, but get over it. Bitch one, but things like changing wikipedia pages, a million comments on twitter and facebook, OK you have had you say, now move on.

by denz on Apr 23, 2010 7:32 AM PDT reply actions  

That was a shitty call too. The problem is not that the refs are biased against us, its that they don’t call things correctly. We should not have been able to throw in from that spot and no way in hell should this have been a PK. When a game comes down to which side of a shoddy call you wind up on that is not good for anyone. Don’t you think its a problem that we have back to back games decided more by the refs then the players?

Who wants to watch a game that’s not fair?

by Giffy on Apr 23, 2010 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Come on

You’d be saying the same thing if it happened to you. A clear dive after he tripped.

And karma doesn’t exist.

by chrisperry1983 on Apr 23, 2010 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh come on

When RSL lost in a similar way to Houston, don’t tell me RSL fans weren’t going ballistic. A little venting is certainly in order. I realize you were calling for cooler heads then and that’s admirable, but I think the circumstances of yesterday’s game warrant at least a day of people being upset. Can it be taken too hard? Of course, but most of what I’ve seen on this site has been well within the bounds of reasonable frustration.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Apr 23, 2010 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not quite the way that you are portraying the throw in

They had let players move up during the game to throw the ball, the Evans throw in was not the first time that it occurred during the match, so the call was consistent to how the ref was calling the game.

The KC players still had a chance to defend the Evans throw in and the Fucito shot.

Defending a PK is less skill and almost all luck.

They are not comparable.

by Coug1990 on Apr 23, 2010 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

You can’t make Evans stop and back up 15 yards in the 93rd minute if you’ve been letting players do the same thing all game.

by bauckus on Apr 23, 2010 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

It goes around, it comes around

Three points would have been sweet, but I’m honestly not too worked up by the call. Yes, it was a bad call, but I tend to think these things even out over the course of a season. Last week we got a sweet goal late in stoppage time off a non-call. See, now we’re karmically even?

Vaughn was random and didn’t call a good game, by any means, but he could have just as easily called a PK earlier on Evans handball in the box and he let that go. Conversely, Levesque or Montero could have buried their 2nd half chances and put us up a goal or two. We had chances to win this game, but we left it to fate. And our fate seems to be the fair result to me.

We’ll make the playoffs. We may event still contend for the Shield. It’s all good.

by The King of Norway on Apr 23, 2010 7:40 AM PDT reply actions  

Last week

Zakuani probably should have gotten a red card and be suspended for last night’s game, let alone score in it.

If Cunningham had a clear scoring chance on the foul that led to the first PK, then Keller should have gotten a red, too.

The officiating is inconsistent, but I don’t think we’re only victims of it.

by PeterJH on Apr 23, 2010 8:02 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Zakuani shouldn't have touched the ref last week but if you watch the replay of the incident the ref gets into Zakuani's space, not vice versa.

Stills houldn’t have touched him but if someone gets 3 inches from my face I’m putting my hands out to back them off. The refs are really taking away my passion for this league. It’s frustrating.

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Apr 23, 2010 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry, there is a huge difference in what occured against KC and what occured yesterday

Against KC, the Sounders still had to go out and make the play and KC did have the chance to defend the play.

Defending a penalty kick is less skill and more luck.

The two are not comparable.

Besides, as Sigi said, they had let players move up during the game to throw the ball, the Evans throw in was not the first time that it occurred during the match, so the call was consistent to how the ref was calling the game.

In the Dallas match, the ref was letting everything go and then in the last minute he changed the way he was reffing the match. This made the call doubly bad because 1) it was not a foul, 2) he was letting contact the entire game and changed as I had just wrote.

by Coug1990 on Apr 23, 2010 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not the Point

Whether we won or lost or how it things balance out over the season is – IMHO – pretty irrelevant.

What is relevant to me is that I – as a fan of soccer – am finding my pleasure in and respect for MLS soccer greatly diminished by the reffing. I don’t expect to always agree with the ref. I do expect consistency, discretion, integrity and the ability to control the game. I want to see games determined by the skill of the players in an environment that ensures the athletes safety and the opportunity to exhibit their skills. That is the responsibility of the ref and that simply isn’t happening

I demand and deserve better. I think the players demand and deserve better as well.

by Stephen Nesbitt on Apr 23, 2010 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Got it

I’m saying the crappy reffing, in this instance, won’t affect the Sounders over the course of the season because we’ll get other breaks we don’t really deserve. You’re saying the crappy reffing, in the larger picture, affects your enjoyment of the game.

Can’t argue that, it’s a fair point. Better reffing is very much desirable from a “beautiful game” perspective.

by The King of Norway on Apr 23, 2010 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

FC DALLAS FORWARD JASON YEISLEY (From the Trib)

On PK at end of game…
"Whether I get one minute or twenty, my job as a sub is to come in and make it happen, help the team salvage the goal. The ball was bouncing around and I settled down on the tackle and the ball got through and I got a PK out of it. We had ten minutes when I got in. I was focusing as hard as I could to make it happen."

Do you notice he doesn’t say that he was fouled? He just says that he got a PK out of it?

by Coug1990 on Apr 23, 2010 9:44 AM PDT reply actions  

I don’t think he was fouled, and I don’t think he thinks he was really fouled. I don’t even think he dove intentionally (which would have actually made me more upset). It was just a horrendous call.

by Nevtelen on Apr 23, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am not sure if he dove or not

But, when he went down, he immediately started grabbing his ankle when he was on the ground. He was trying to earn the PK and the ref fell for it.

by Coug1990 on Apr 23, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

No matter how badly the Sounders play

And we all know they have the capabilities of playing badly, they will NEVER, EVER have as bad a game as Vaughn did last night. The League has to make some sort of a statement on that call. It was embarrassing.

by Angus Podgorny on Apr 23, 2010 10:02 AM PDT reply actions  

Agreed.

Garber wrote an extensive post on the MLS website last year after a rash of outrageous red cards. It actually was thoughful and responsive.

I hope he steps up and does the same here.

by zeagle on Apr 23, 2010 10:24 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Here's Garber from last year...

via mls-rumors.net

"In my last post, I mentioned that I would discuss officiating in a future blog. After reading your feedback and witnessing the many recent discussions about referees in MLS and other sports leagues, I decided to address the topic this week.

As most of you know, based on FIFA rules, the national associations (U.S. Soccer and the Canadian Soccer Association in MLS’ case) assign referees for League matches. Dr. Joe Machnik oversees officiating for MLS, working closely with our Director of Player Programs, Alfonso Mondelo. Alfonso was the head coach of two MLS teams and played professionally in Spain. Joe has been associated with the sport for more than 40 years as a player, professional and college coach, athletic director and professional administrator. He has been involved with officiating for decades and has numerous awards for his service to the sport in this area. In addition to managing our officiating, Joe oversees the MLS Disciplinary Committee, is a FIFA and CONCACAF Match Commissioner and works closely with the USSF and CSA on a variety of officiating programs.

We are all well aware that officiating in every league is a tough job. That’s the nature of sports. Whether it is the UEFA Champions League semifinals or the NBA Playoffs (or many other examples that exist in recent sporting events throughout the world), officials are faced with making decisions that often affect the outcome of games, but never as much as players and coaches. That, too, is the nature of sports.

Other professional sports leagues and events have incorporated technology into the officiating decision-making process. Whether you are a fan of the NFL’s Challenge and Review System or tennis’ Hawk-Eye automated line-calling mechanism, technology in certain sports does assist with ensuring the correct call is made. However, FIFA has been very clear that technology is not expected to play a role in officiating decisions for professional soccer.

While many fans do not agree with all referee decisions made on the field, we believe the vast majority of MLS matches are well officiated. It’s impossible to think that any job that requires judgment, angles and split-second decision-making will be perfect. The MLS Department of Officiating Services, USSF/CSA, and a group of independent assessors review every MLS game. Also, all of our club coaching staffs submit postgame referee reviews. You would be surprised that many of the most controversial decisions are usually correct. Unlike many broadcasters and fans, we, along with the USSF and CSA, have the benefit of postgame video review using a multitude of camera angles from a variety of broadcast feeds.

A detailed overview of MLS’ relationship with the USSF and CSA can be found at MLSnet.com and I also encourage you to check out U.S. Soccer’s Referee Week in Review, a transparent review of the key decisions that take place each week. I believe USSF’s Week in Review is unique in the sport and is a credit to the Federation’s commitment to the area.

That’s not to say that every decision is right or every game is well officiated. But it is much better than many people think. Not because I am saying it … but because the video review proves it.

I’d like to make another important point. Clearly, in recent weeks there have been too many MLS games with multiple yellow cards and in some instances red cards. We often hear phrases like "the referee is a good player manager" or the "referee is losing control" of the game. Well, the responsibility of managing or controlling the game does not just fall upon our referees; it also is the responsibility of our players and coaches.

Our game officials undergo intense training, rigorous review and are committed to the sport. They deserve the respect of our players, coaches, fans and teams.

Like all other aspects of our business, we are always looking to get better. Many programs are already in place to continue the improvement of our officiating program. This year U.S. Soccer and the CSA introduced referee headsets, providing better communications between the referee and assistant referees. U.S. Soccer expanded its instructional format this year to include two camps for MLS referees, one during preseason and one at the All-Star break. Also in 2009, MLS instituted a bonus structure which rewards referees for consistently good performances.

Moving forward, there are other areas we will discuss with U.S. Soccer and the CSA to address the continued improvement of our officiating program. A few examples include:

• More full-time referees. It was a bold statement by U.S. Soccer when they hired four full-time referees in 2007. Since then we have added two more teams and we will add three more by 2011 with Philadelphia, Vancouver and Portland. We would need to add four more full-time referees by 2011 just to maintain the percentage of games officiated by full-time referees when the program was started. It would be smart to continue to increase the number of full-time referees as we expand.

• Better working conditions for younger referees. There are 150,000 registered referees in the U.S., but many quit due to sideline abuse, lack of a pro career path and poor compensation. We need to provide more incentives for younger referees to develop and desire a career as a professional referee.

• International referee program. This program would feature international referees working with U.S. and Canadian officials in MLS and SUM games. We had a similar program years ago and it is a subject that we will revisit with the USSF and CSA.

Finally, MLS used to have an incentive program for former MLS players to move into the referee ranks. In other sports leagues, former players (the NBA’s Leon Wood and Haywoode Workman, the NFL’s Chad Brown and former NHL referee Paul Stewart are examples) have gone on to become successful referees. Unfortunately no former player signed up for the MLS program and it was discontinued. We may revisit a program that will provide better incentives to our former players to enter into a career as a referee. Any former MLS player who wishes to pursue officiating should definitely give me a call."

by zeagle on Apr 23, 2010 11:15 AM PDT reply actions  

Steve Davis' take

SB Nation’s own was at the game last night and thought the Sounders looked good, for whatever it’s worth. He thinks we’re perhaps being a little hard on our boys. He was especially impressed by Evans and Alonso.

It’s also worth noting that he was upset with Terry Vaughn’s work, and not just the end-of-game call. He blames Vaughn for letting teh game get out of control early.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Apr 23, 2010 12:14 PM PDT reply actions  

I would also add, aside from referees

We are showing ourselves to be quite a handful on the road. Two points from two games, sure, but 4 goals in two games, and both games we led until the final seconds. I’ll take two goals on the road and the lead in the final seconds in every away game of the year. We’ll end up winning a lot more than we tie.

by Cornchops on Apr 23, 2010 12:33 PM PDT reply actions  

What's the bar?

10 points needed from road games, to (generally) make the playoffs? We should do quite well.

by Cornchops on Apr 23, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

sounds about right...

points on the road is the goal — and 3 is obviously always better than 1 — but we are still gathering points. and we are averaging 1.6 points per game. that is a playoff point trajectory.

like you, i think we have actually played tough on the road. i think we have only one loss in the last 8 games (stretching back to last season). it is the kind of record we should be proud of — even if our play is occasionally suspect.

by zeagle on Apr 23, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

The problem with that is

that this team finds it very difficult to get results at home, so significantly more points than that will undoubtedly need to be scored on the road to even things up, a la the road stand to end last season.

by Nevtelen on Apr 23, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes.

That is definitely the problem.

by Cornchops on Apr 23, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Averaging 2 points at home and 1.3 on the road

gets a team to 50

That doesn’t really suck

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by Dave Clark on Apr 23, 2010 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nope.

It just seems like it at the time….

:^)

by Cornchops on Apr 23, 2010 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

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Aaron Campeau (Villa, Mariners)

Dave Clark (beer, specfic, mideast)

Brian Floyd (all Seattle sports)

Nos Audietis (podcast stuff, snark)

Chris Coulter (photos, academy)


Managers

Tiny_dave_with_scarf_small Dave Clark

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Nos Audietis Crew

Avatar_small Aaron Campeau

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Authors

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Ravelry_logo_small Abbott Smith

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