Quick Review: Pagaentry is not Enough
The Seattle Sounders put on a great show. As an organization they do so much in the community. The pre-game, in-game and post-game presentation is excellent. I have participated in pre-game twice now, and each time the level of coordination has been impressive. Today seeing the even larger US flag and the ECS' Armed Services Group out with active duty soldiers was excellent. Handing out the Golden Scarf was a bonus.
That isn't enough.
I enjoyed the fancy footwork of Montano, Nyassi and even Riley. Ljungberg and Montero's work as pivots at the top of the 18 was solid. Ianni and Sturgis did well to advance the ball, and their defense for the most part was good. We got to see Kasey Keller in offense today in a late dead ball situation. There was a nifty string of passes by header. There were some solid shots, though not on goal, that showed what the team could be as well.
That isn't enough.
After the home match against the Red Bulls we thought that if the Sounders played that way for a majority of the season they would win more than they'd lose. We thought the same thing in the match at Dallas. Again even in the first half against Toronto. The first 20 minutes or so against the Galaxy were solid.
That isn't enough.
Sure we want an active team in the community. We want the pomp. We want the pretty play.
More than that we want to see victory. We want to see goals. We want to witness trophies being hoisted and banners being raised.
Later we will break down the details, but right now this quite simply is not enough.
Stats and Quotes after the break
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SJ -- Chris Wondolowski 5 (Bobby Burling 1, Brandon McDonald 1) 11 |
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SJ -- Ryan Johnson (caution; Reckless Tackle) 35 |
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SJ -- Bobby Convey (caution; Reckless Tackle) 78 |
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Referee: Alex Prus |
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Referee's Assistants: -Paul Scott; Jeff Hosking |
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4th Official: Ramon Hernandez |
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Attendance: 35,953 |
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Time of Game: 1:50 |
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Weather: Partly Cloudy-and-52-degrees |
All Statistics contained in this boxscore are unofficial
Post-Game Quotes - May 22, 2010
Seattle Sounders FC vs. San Jose Earthquakes
Sigi Schmid - Sounders FC Head Coach
(Opening Statement...) "I thought we started off the game poorly. I thought our first 10 minutes were very poor. We allowed them to get into a rhythm of play and establish themselves and gain their confidence early. Their goal came out of that sequence as well. At the end of the day, then we woke up and probably had more of the game but having more of the game doesn't mean crap. At the end of the day we lost 1-0."
(Post-game message to team...) "I think we all need to look inside ourselves and ask ourselves why it takes 10-15 minutes before we start playing. We have to look at ourselves as to why we spend game time to argue insistently with referees. We've got ask ourselves, if a guy hits a bad pass, why we throw up our hands and stop playing for a second? I think we need to ask ourselves why sometimes if we lose a ball, we don't react right away and make a second effort and third effort, because we always want to do it on the first effort. Just all of us, that includes staff, that includes players, we need to ask ourselves why we can't do it better? Last week in New York, we were a good collective and I thought in the final 70 minutes we were a decent collective, but yet you can't take 15-20 minutes off. It's like if you go into a movie, you can't every four to five minutes close your eyes for 30 seconds and shut down your ears and not listen. At the end of the day, you don't know what the movie's about any more. I think we lose the plot in the game because we shut down. It's little things, you have Steve Zakuani outside with the ball for a throw-in and he had his shoulder surgically repaired so he can't really throw the ball in yet no one comes over and says, maybe I should throw the ball in for you because you have a bad shoulder. Patrick Ianni has the shortest arms on the team and they want him to throw the ball in. It's little things like that tell me you're not 100 percent in tune and that's what we've got to look at."
(On lack of home field advantage this year...) "It's like I've said before, when Crew Stadium opened in the first year and it was the first soccer specific stadium, the Crew didn't have a great record at home because everyone got so excited about playing there. I think every team comes in here and is excited about playing here. It's different for them, it's not the atmosphere they have at home. For them it's a thrilling, exciting experience and that sometimes works against us. But on the same token, our fans have been supportive of us and have been behind us and I think it is what it is. We have to overcome that as well. We have to turn it in to a difficult situation for the teams coming in."
(On status of Hurtado...) "We don't know yet."
(On 18 shots, zero goals...) "There's only three shots on goal and that's also disappointing. But they did a good job of packing in the middle, we told them they'd have to get around them on the outside, sometimes I think we tried to force it down the middle when we needed to go wide. But that's what we talked about all week. On the same token, you've got to force saves, you've got to put shots on frame. The ball that bends into the upper V counts just as much as the one that goes through the goalkeeper's hands. When the LA Galaxy scored their first goal against us that goal counted the same as the great header, which was their second goal, they both count a point. So we have to make sure we force goalkeepers to make saves. We've got to put our shots on frame, we've got to force more saves. Eighteen shots is great, but only three on goal was not good enough. Some were blocked for sure, that might have been on goal, and you have defenders saving balls for them, there were a couple that the goalkeeper saved that might have gone in, that were blocked by defenders. We're going to read in the referee's report that their goal was offsides and shouldn't have counted, I'm tired of hearing that in the referee's report. I'd rather have the referee return the favor to us in the second half. Things right now are certainly not falling our way."
(On mood of players...) "Obviously they're disappointed and they realize they're not happy with what we did, but none of us are happy with what we did at this stage."
(On guys who throw their hands up, Freddie being one of those - is that an issue when your leader is involved with that...) "If throwing his hands up motivates him and makes him work harder, it's not an issue. But if arguing with the referee takes away from time that you could be helping the team than it is an issue. As a leader, he's got that responsibility on his shoulders to help guide the team. He needs to look at it and say, hey, can I do that better? Can I be better at that because it certainly doesn't help our team."
(On if Jaqua's presence will improve things when he returns...) "Certainly having a big body in there helps it. People that understand soccer saw a little of what Evans provides for us as well, just his hard running and opening up spaces, and things like that. Although I thought Montero worked a lot harder today and made some of those runs but Evans' are just a little more definitive, a little harder and having a body in there will help us. But there were a lot of people who weren't happy with Jaqua last year when he played, but the heart grows fonder when you're not out there. It's a matter of, we've got to finish what we start. We start a lot of things and we don't finish them. And we've got to finish what we start."
(On possible changes...) "We're looking at all those options. Ours is a league where you have to subtract before you can add. There are a lot of guaranteed contracts. It's not like your European team or your South American team and you say, we're going to take our roster from 24 to 25 or 26. You don't have those options. There's not stones we're going to leave unturned. There's nothing that we're not too proud to look at and there's no player that we're that - if we can make our team better, we've got to look at that option."
(Good or bad to have a friendly this week...) "It's probably just good to get back on the field and play again. As a player when you have a game like that, you just want to play, you don't want to listen to the coach at practice. For us right now, we have to improve our concentration level and make sure that it's there for 90 minutes, all the time, that's the big thing."
Steve Zakuani - Sounders FC Midfielder
(On the game . . .) "I think the game was lost in the first ten minutes. They came out and we gave them too much time. I don't think we touched the ball in the first ten and then they got their goal and after that we decided to play. When you give a team a goal on the road, it becomes tough. So then we were chasing the whole time. Again, it's the same story, create chances but didn't finish. We had some very good chances. I had one in the first half. We had a few in the second half. We just didn't finish them. Something has to change and I don't know what it is. You can't win one week and lose the other week, that's too inconsistent. We need to go on some sort of run and we need to figure out a way to do that."
(On scoring troubles . . .) "The hardest thing to do in football is to score. We have to find a way around it. We weren't very anxious, we were patient. We played our game. Honestly, I don't think we had a bad performance. Take the first ten away, the last eighty minutes we played well. We moved the ball but if we don't score, everyone forgets that."
(On moving forward from this game . . .) "We are not going to panic. We won last week and lost this week. It's just the inconsistency is bothering us. Once you find consistency, it will be OK. Honestly, we aren't even half way through the season yet and a lot can happen between now and October and November when the playoffs come around."
Kasey Keller - Sounders FC Goalkeeper
(On reaction to game . . .) "This is not something for me to criticize or to make judgments. This is something that, right now, we have to leave in the hands of the coaching staff and the backroom staff to see what direction they want to go with it. They are extremely disappointed. Obviously the players are extremely disappointed. For us individuals, it's just about getting to training and see if we can work that little bit harder, that little bit smarter. I think I said a while ago that I kept feeling that this corner was going to be turned but at some stage there has to be some accountability."
(On the start to the game . . .) "I was very disappointed. We didn't clear the ball when we needed to clear. We let them put pressure on us. We let them get themselves into a game. They looked like the home team. [. . .] In saying that, we created enough chances to win this game comfortably. It's not super doom and gloom. I think if you're going to watch the game on tape you would see that we easily had enough chances to win this game but when things are going wrong, they are going wrong. For myself personally, it's just get to training on Monday and work hard and prove to the fans, prove to the coaching staff and ownership that you want to be at this club."
Freddie Ljungberg - Sounders FC Midfielder/Forward
(On Sigi Schmid's postgame speech to team . . .) "I think mostly we were a bit not on it in the first ten minutes and we made a mistake and it cost us dearly. I think after that, the rest of the eighty minutes, we were on it and we fight and we don't score a goal. But the main message was we need to switch on from the beginning. We can't let them get the advantage at 1-0. Like everybody has seen, teams bunker in after they get a lead here and it makes it ten times harder to play."
(On frustration with not scoring . . .) "That's just the way it is when you don't score. We are creating a lot of chances but we can't put the ball in the net. That's a frustrating thing but that's how football is sometimes. Not meaning to repeat myself, but I think that's why they got Blaise [Nkufo]. That's his job, to put the ball in the net."
Frank Yallop - Earthquakes Head Coach
(On his team achieving four consecutive shutouts...)"I think the team is having the mentality of not conceding a goal. It runs through the team that we don't want to get beat and we don't want to get scored on. Seattle should have scored a goal, but they didn't and I guess that is a little bit lady luck at the moment. We had a good team effort and strong character out there today."
(On playing so consistent this season...)"We have worked since the preseason and we tried to do it last year, but didn't have the horses to play the way I wanted to play. I feel we have the right personnel to play the way I want us to play. We can tinker with it a little bit here and there, but everyone is buying into it. We are not going to be a pushover and not be scored on easily or give up silly goals. To get four clean sheets in a row is tough in this league."
(On playing in a tough atmosphere at Qwest Field....)"It is a tough crowd and you maybe get a little anxious to play in front of 35,000 people. The Sounders will do well at home and score goals. The atmosphere is terrific and the players played well today. They did everything but the final touch."
(On enjoying coming in and playing in front of a large crowd...)"We did today. Last season not so much. We have a good mentality on our team and it doesn't matter where we go. We played well for 20 minutes and that was probably about it. We gave up a few offensive chances and made some mistakes on defense. [Steve] Zakuani probably should have scored in the first half. All in all, we got the three points and the win."
Bobby Convey - Earthquakes Midfielder
(On being excited to play in front of a large crowd...)"First and foremost I think it's unbelievable for soccer in the U.S. for what the ownership has done here. It is amazing to play in front of this many people. Every player no matter home or away takes the energy from the crowd. I think it helped us early on."
(On the crowd affecting the players...)"If you get booed yeah, I think the people here are really supportive of their team. For me there is nothing wrong with the people here; they are enthusiastic about the game. The owner has really set a great standard for the rest of the MLS to follow."
Joe Cannon - Earthquakes Goalkeeper
(On his team improved level of play this season...)"I think it is the blue collar collective outfit of the entire team. From a personal point of view, it's more enjoyable this year because we are not result orientated more task orientated. This group is a lot easier to work with because of their attitudes. For the group they are just blue collar and for me all I can do is give my best. In years past I would try to carry the team on my shoulders, now we can play well as a team and compete."
(On Seattle pressuring at the end to score...)"There were a couple of times that Seattle got close today. There was a ball that just missed the top corner by a few inches. If that goes in we are still the same team. We know we can go anywhere, this is probably the toughest place in the league to get a result."
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I think this needs to be pulled out and get a second mention
We’re going to read in the referee’s report that their goal was offsides and shouldn’t have counted, I’m tired of hearing that in the referee’s report. I’d rather have the referee return the favor to us in the second half.
Sigi
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I missed their goal, was he offsides?
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on May 22, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd have to see the replay
It didn’t occur to me as a likely offsides when I saw it live.
I do have to agree
that it is quite tiresome to see the Sounders constantly come up in the weekly referee review. I believe just about every week there is a review of the Sounders game where a goal/penalty should have been changed. And only in the case of the Fucito goal do I remember it working against us. Even in that case they were clear to state that it was not in fault to Evans but to the person who handed him the ball.
Has anyone been able to check this yet?
While it is now unimportant I’m pretty curious. I’m not sure if we caught the game on DVR this week or not.
I just watched it...
Honestly, I don’t think it’s super clear. On the initial ball into the box, Wondolowski looks like he’s still onside. When the ball comes off, I guess it’s Burling, he still looks really close to being onside. It’s a tough call either way. I doubt the refs will be wringing their hands over it. But, I’ve been wrong before.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on May 22, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
More than onside/offside
I’d say the problem was a.) not clearing the ball that basically went off Burling’s shoulder and then b.) not really marking Wondolowski at all. Don’t know whose responsibility it was, but he was totally unmarked right next to the far post. That’s inexcusable.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on May 22, 2010 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
If it looked that close
I doubt it will make it will even be noticed for the review (unless they take Sigi’s comment to heart)
I disagree; SJ's goal should not have been called off for offside.
We can all watch the replay a dozen times and split hairs based on that, but we also have to realize that game officials have to make calls based on what they see and they only get one chance to get it right. I’m not necessarily disagreeing with those who, after watching the replay, drew the conclusion that it was technically offside. The point I’m making has more to do with how we should expect officials to call games based on what they know they’ve seen and based on the rules in their complete form. The purpose of the offside rule is to prevent the offense from gaining an unfair advantage, i.e. no cherry picking. The rule clearly states that the offense receives the benefit of any doubt. The ball was being bounced around the 6 yard line. If there was an offensive advantage, it was because of blown coverage, not because the offense was cheating. If it was offside, it was very close and the action was quite fast. Does anyone out there claim that they would have been absolutely positive that it was offside had they been the ref, without the benefit of replay? Now, for the sake of the game, we have to ask ourselves: With plays like that, do we really want referees to invoke the offside rule and call off the goal? Be honest and look at it from both sides. If it had been a Sounder score called off, would you accept the call? In my opinion, calling such plays offside would ruin the game, just like two of the calls against the Sounders did when they played LA two weeks ago.
by Eastside Ajacied on May 23, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
That's pretty much the conclusion I reached.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on May 23, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
By that very logic Zakuani should never have been called offside
And yes, your knowledge of the rule is correct.
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I couldn't agree more.
The Sounders are great in so many facets of the organization, on and off the pitch, but one of the most crucial elements to the franchise’s success is missing this year; the ability to put the ball in the back of the net. Not only do we want to see goals, we NEED to see goals. If matches keep going at this pace, we are going to look back at this season as a failure. Something needs to change, and it needs to change soon.
Karma police, arrest this man.
Screw this pretty football crap.
It was fun for a while. Now I want to win.
I may not have been sure about what really did interest me, but I was absolutely sure about what didn't.
by Murk on May 22, 2010 4:11 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I've been to 4 games this season
and seen the Sounders earn 1 point, scoring 1 goal while conceding 7. Let me repeat that: in the 4 home games I’ve been to, the Sounders have allowed 7 goals while scoring 1 for three shutout losses and a draw. Atrocious.
I just see it as your fault
;)
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I'd happily trade my season tix
for a Supporters’ Shield and MLS Cup
You won't have to worry about the Shield
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At this rate it’ll be no for SS, MLS cup and no playoffs which will hopefully change into Yes for playoffs once players get healthy and Kufo arrives.
Just so long as we don't dig too deep of a hole
While I believe Kufo will be a great addition to the team and help turn a lot around, he can’t change everything.
What is "this problem"
And who isn’t taking it seriously enough?
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Exactly
What is the problem? You can’t solve it until you know what the problem is, but I’m at a loss to explain the continued awful results from games where we control possession and create more chances.
The first place to start
would probably to see where our plays break down. From there you figure out what went wrong, and in the end you have a list of small problems. Some of those probably repeat a bit. All I have is a list of requests.
I think that they pass too much
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In the box yes
(and those volleys just in front of the goal at the end of the match were brutal) But outside the final third it seems like we give the ball away too easily.
That is exactly what i was talking about. They don’t shoot when the opportunity is there then try to shoot when that opportunity closes I see that happen a lot.
Another thing do the players hog the ball too much instead of passing move up to receive the pass towards the player? I can name a few players that are guilty of doing that.
Although it is notable that Ljungberg is now considering him the answer
But they need more than one player.
I just added another to the Searching for a Free thread. Someone who is a set-play specialist.
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You thought the entry passes were poor today?
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Hopefully not mine...
I don’t really try much play-by-play, but can tell you passing wasn’t really an issue for the last 70 mins. Some sloppy stuff in the middle, especially early, but this was the same old story of just not finishing the chances.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on May 22, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Na Seattle Times and Sounders website. But i would have to watch it to given an actually opinion on service in today’s game.
Why would you read places like that?
;)
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Chopped liver over here
Glad the hard work is paying off ;)
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by Jeremiah Oshan on May 22, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Usually
I only read that thread before home games. Good to know that there is more to read before any post game discussion goes up
Not always super active, tho
We always like the company.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on May 22, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll be sure to keep on eye on it
with my phone during the game. Usually TV catches something we missed in the stands. I always text my dad about controversial plays when I’m at school and can’t make the game.
Honestly, I'm not sure what the problem is either
Not scoring is a symptom of some other problem. I haven’t seen it properly diagnosed. It’s not effort, as the CBUS, NY and SJE games should show. I’m honestly not sure what the organization can do aside from continue to work on finishing.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on May 22, 2010 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I feel like we make plenty of chances though
A problem thats cliche by this point is that we don’t finish those chances. We also seem to have a problem recovering well from our mistakes (also readable as “our opponents regularly capitalize on our mistakes”)
We definitely had chances
And that makes this problem so much more vexing.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on May 22, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Well question is why are we not finish those chances? Lousy shooting? Too crowded in the box? Passing instead of shooting when opportunity is open?
Dave,
Where is Seattle in Shots, SOG and Goals outside of the box compare to the other teams in this season so far and last season? I’m curious to know that where Seattle is at in that specific area.
I have access to goals from outside
but not shots and sog
but a shot outside the area is orders of magnitude less likely to go in than one inside the area
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But instead of passing and hope it creates an opening why not take a shot at the GK and have someone else get the rebound if there is one that falls to Seattle’s feet. That shouldn’t be too hard to try at least.
That is shooting from outside the box. It seems Alonso is the only one at least to me that does shoot outside the box.
It was a bit comical
I gave him the benefit of the doubt and assumed he thought he had caught Cannon in no-man’s land.
And one of those attempts turned into an assist
after Montero headed the ball in for a goal .
by Eastside Ajacied on May 23, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Can tell you from today's game
We had nine shots from outside the area, they had one.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on May 22, 2010 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
how?
How is shooting on goal with a very low probability of scoring better than shooting on goal with a higher probability of scoring?
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True. I’ll give you that. I just never been a fan on them over doing it on the passing within the attacking 3rd.
Maybe they just need to work on making better quality passes specifically on the receiving end. There been times where they make quality passes but no one is there to receive not there or doesn’t put in the effort to get that ball.
Not work rate again!
I’ll take skill over work rate any day of the week.
by bauckus on May 22, 2010 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Montero has skill
But I find him quite lazy when it comes to getting where he needs to be. I think if you were to combine Evans and Montero you’d have an amazing player. I personally think skill and work rate compliment each other. You can have all the skill in the world, but with out work rate you aren’t going to achieve anything with it. And if you work your ass off but have no skill you aren’t any better off. In the end both come out about equal, one relies on a lucky touch while the other relies on luckily ending up in the right spot.
I'll agree with you
That Montero’s skill + Evans’ head would make an amazing player. Too good for MLS, in fact.
You get my point we have the players that has Skill but what about the work rate. I think what Seattle needs is to have a few players that have both. Perhaps Kufo will be that player that provides both the skill and work rate when he shows up.
You will hate him
He’s a traditional target forward. They aren’t known for work rate.
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Le Toux wasn't a good passer
And he didn’t have a great touch either.
If he’s the solution to the problems on offense the team is doomed
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I’m not saying he’s the solution. He may not have the passing and great touch but what about the players we have that has the great touch and but lack the effort.
PV passes the ball to the left side of the field no ones there and goes out of play for a opponent thrown in or Freddie Passes it forward and player stops and the ball goes out for a goal kick. Not that it happens all the time but I’m frustrated when it happens.
For today's game
I’d say part of the problem with so few SOG is due to how tightly packed their box became after their goal.
There were a lot of blocks
I always thought that SOG should count blocks as well as saves
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Was it me
Or was there an inordinate number of shots and passes that deflected off Quakes’ upper bodies?
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by Jeremiah Oshan on May 22, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Perhaps as a different stat all together?
I’d say its hard to judge how accurate the shot would be if it was blocked early enough, but to have a separate stat that is just for blocked shots seems good to me.
Enough about n'Kufo
It’s beginning to sound as if our current squad can’t be expected to score, given the opportunities that they’ve had, but, not to worry, that n’Kufo, or perhaps Jacqua, will come to the rescue. The excuses are getting tiresome, about the refereeing, about the opposition’s tactics. Yes, Montano is young and inexperienced, but he had a clear shot at goal right in front of it. How much age and experience do you need to put the ball on frame in that situation? Why do our forwards repeatedly shoot straight at the keeper as he runs at them? I don’t mean to be picking on anyone in particular, but it seems like there is an underlying problem to the inability to score. I know that Zak, Montero, Montano, FL, etc. can indeed score. I’m just flabbergasted about why they and others haven’t when they’ve had good opportunities. It makes my concerned that the same bug could befall Jacqua and n’Kufo.
by Eastside Ajacied on May 23, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
More importantly then Montano's age
is the fact that he’s new to the league. Playing for only the second time (and for a total of less minutes then what equates to a full game) is going to make a big impact. Trying playing for only the second time in front of 35k people who are all desperately hoping you score. Without being a more veteran player its easy to miss easy chances to nerves.
I believe that until the Sounders can finish games on their own Kufo isn’t going to be the player people want him to be. He’s not going to come to the MLS and be able to carry an entire team on his shoulders. That said I fully believe that we have the skills to win games without him. We are currently losing because of poor choices in passing/shooting/etc. The Sounders are a solid team who are losing to themselves.
As far as excuses about refs go, I am of two minds. Our games have shown up in the weekly review for weeks 1, 4, 5 (3 times in week 5 for 2 games), 7, and 8. So in the 9 games we played 6 of them showed up in the review. While I’m not blaming specifically anything on the refs, they do make our players’ lives harder.
Sounders should focus on what they control.
Derek, I (and surely many others who visit USSF’s Referee Week In Review) have noticed the number of bad calls reviewed that happen to have been made against the Sounders. Without having seen every other MLS game, I can’t be sure, but it does seem that a disproportionate number of bad calls have gone against the Sounders, with several of them game changers. I would imagine that USSF and/or MLS has a mechanism to enable teams to deal with those concerns. What concerns me is when poor refereeing is repeatedly brought to the fore as a reason for the team’s lackluster results when there are other causes more directly related to the team. What I’m saying is that, as part of post-game commentary, I’d like to see the players and coaches focus more on what they do on the field and less on what the referees do. I’d like to hear more specifics from Sigi about what he sees as the team’s deficiencies and what immediate action he intends to take to fix them. What it means to me, when the focus is on bad calls or about n’Kufo not getting here until July 15, is that I shouldn’t expect significant improvement anytime soon.
by Eastside Ajacied on May 23, 2010 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
You bring up very good points
The fact of the matter is that the Sounders are capable of winning regardless of the refereeing and they simply aren’t. I think part of the reason why refs are so readily blamed is because its often the easiest problem to identify. A bad call where the ref screwed up and gave the other team a penalty or called something offsides that wasn’t instantly gets on fans nerves. I know I feel like the ref robbed me of what should have been a Sounders win. But then again, the important thing is why the Sounders didn’t win with the other 89 minutes of the game.
As for significant improvement in the near future. Unless Sigi can light some really good fires and get our team in gear, then yeah, no significant improvements till Jaqua and Kufo. And for all we know that still wont change anything. We have the talent to be great though, the team just has to figure out why that isn’t happening.
To be fair
4 of those came in a single game. Leaving 3 goals conceded in 3 games which, by itself, is perfectly respectable. To me I see the same problem we’ve always had. We can not finish.
Frank Yallop thinks they got away with one
We played well for 20 minutes and that was probably about it. We gave up a few offensive chances and made some mistakes on defense. [Steve] Zakuani probably should have scored in the first half
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He's right
But you can’t lose if your opponent doesn’t score.
I was shocked by that comment
I saw their play as going 90% defensive after they got the goal (something that scares the crap out of me whenever the Sounders do, bad 3-1 wins turning into 3-3 draws comes to mind). And honestly I think a team will look worse when all they are focused on is trying to keep the other team from scoring. While I think its not the right approach, it clearly worked out for them.
It seems that Seattle unable to stay healthy is a problem now. Hurtado is hurt and i hope its not too bad.
The official injury list priory to this game looked long enough
Out: FW Nate Jaqua (lower abdominal fascial tear)
Out: MF Michael Fucito (R knee contusion)
Questionable: MF Osvaldo Alonso (R quadriceps strain)
Questionable: FW Miguel Montano (groin strain)
Questionable: MF Pete Vagenas (R quadriceps strain)
Questionable: MF Brad Evans (L knee contusion)
Probable: FW Pat Noonan (R hamstring strain)
Adding Hurtado only makes it worse, especially since that would make 2 of my favorite defensive players with questionable health for upcoming games.
Its nowhere near what several teams have
Being Questionable or Probably isn’t a big deal.
Montano played, Noonon played. As recently as Thursday word was that Alonso would play.
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Playable sure
But not what I’d want in my game winning arsenal if I can avoid it. I’m probably wrong but I’ve always seen questionable meaning a starter would be able to play at rotational quality, a rotational would play as a back up, and a back up would play as a reserve.
Only caught the last 20 minutes of this game but.....
I have a couple questions and comments….
The finishing is the effect of our problem. What the actual problem is, is much more mysterious. Maybe it has to do with our young talents at forward? Montero has great talent, but seems to struggle creating space for himself for good opportunities. Evans as we all know isn’t a striker. Jaqua and Fucito are out injured. Zakuani is a winger/mid and for the greatness we have seen him from him, is still young and makes mistakes that someone still developing does. Nyassi is the same thing, he’s coming out better now though. Montano as well.
So yeah, I really don’t know but there is something causing this to be even worse than last in our finishing.
Questions:
How was Montano’s play today? As I said, I only saw the last 20 minutes and really liked what I did see from him. While he should have perhaps made that one he shot over the corner, it was only his second appearance and not for that long. He’ll get there I think. But anyway, just want to know what others thought of his play?
What happened to Hurtado? Did it look like a bad injury? This doesn’t sound good….
by SounderEvertonRomaFan on May 22, 2010 6:10 PM PDT reply actions
I'll try to answer
Montano looked fine, but if you saw the final 20 mins, you saw most of his time. I think he came in around 65’. He definitely should have finished that one shot from just outside the six-yard box, but he definitely looks like he’s not overwhelmed and that he belongs out there. I like what I see.
Hurtado apparently has a knee contusion and was barely walking after the match. WE’ll know a lot more in the coming day.s
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by Jeremiah Oshan on May 22, 2010 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Montano's shot
I thought that was the most egregious miss of the day. That should be a goal 9 out of 10 times at that level.
Inadequate :-)
I thought Montero’s play was in inadequate. Yes he ran more than he has, but it seemed forced and half-hearted. If I were a scout I would be saying – “Boy is he slow and boy is he selfish”. If I were a defender I would be saying “No problem”
And I don’t think it is so much a problem of him creating space for himself as creating space period. He seems so intent on having the ball that he is unable or unwilling to back off and provide the space need to let a play develop. In other words, to create opportunities.
Montoyo(?) provided an interesting contrast. He isn’t – yet – as finished as Montero. But unlike Montero, he made things happen and gave the defense heartburn. He hustled and fought and forced the defense to react.
One other observation I had today. The Sounders do not seem to have any sense of anticipation. I saw – as per usual – too many balls go through the SJ box without any Sounder in the area to collect it or put pressure on the defense. I saw shots taken and rebounds missed because all Sounders were bunched into a single corner or on a single plane (In particular the shot that bounced off the SJ keeper’s hands and went uncontested)
I don’t know about Hurtado. At least he was able to walk off the field unaided with a minimal limp.
Blah, blah, blah, Montero, blah, blah, blah, lazy, blah, blah, blah, selfish, blah, blah, blah...
Both Sigi and Arlo were commenting on how much more energy and desire F17 was putting into this game. But it seems some “fans” made up their minds long ago and don’t see anything they don’t want to see. It reminds me of the old line from the Greek leftist in Z: “Always blame America. Even when you’re wrong, you’re right.”
by regnaD kciN on May 22, 2010 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
My dad and I
were actually pretty big Montero fans last year. The problem with him in our eyes is that he isn’t getting into space when he needs to. There were great crosses that he missed receiving because he was jogging instead of sprinting. What I loved about Montero 2 games ago was that when he came on he was full of energy and got where he needed to be. I’d much rather see more of that kind of play from him. Too often it seems like he picks his plays before they develop instead of working every play like it will be a goal.
And I realize
That he had some major advantages that game that you can’t truly expect from a player playing a full 90. He came on with 20-30 mins left in the game so he didn’t have to preserve energy and all the defenders were already worn out. But that kind of attitude he had there is what I want.
Montero is awesome
I think our fans dog on him too much. He’s lazy, he’s whatever you want to call him but he is our best scorer. What was he supposed to do? Score 20 goals in his rookie season? I hear “Montero is lazy” from every Sounder fan I meet, is this an indication of how poor our knowledge of soccer is? If anyone out there hates on Montero, they need to look for other players to blame because Freddy is not the problem.
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by SoundPound on May 22, 2010 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Um
I hear "Montero is lazy" from every Sounder fan I meet, is this an indication of how poor our knowledge of soccer is?
No, it’s an indication that Montero is lazy.
Look, love him or hate him (I’m neither), the reality is that when it comes to off-ball runs and working hard, Montero is lazy. He rides his immense talent too often, too much. Sigi thinks so, nearly all of the journalists covering the Sounders think so, most of the bloggers think so, the national TV commentators and journalists who (presumably) are less biased think so. And I think so, which makes it so. (At least for me.)
by Blue Eyed Buddhist on May 23, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Sigi thinks so?
Most bloggers think so?
Most national commentators think so?
nKufo will be the most despised player in this history of the league if this is all true.
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I’m guessing he means other than here…I know I don’t think Montero is lazy. Maybe he’s had some lazy plays, but I thought he looked good yesterday and is the least of our problems.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on May 23, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think Montero is too lazy
but I feel like there are more plays he could have contributed in if he had sprinted more. If its a matter of being in shape then he should be pulled earlier. I love seeing Montero when he runs after everything and I realize that its hard to keep that up for 90 mins, but I think he plays best when he’s not trying to stay in the whole game.
Fans of bad/struggling teams blame their team's best players.
The Sounders inability to score has as much to do with Montero and/or Ljunberg (and I know you didn’t mention him but it’s the same general sentiment I think) as the 2008 Mariners being terrible had to do with Ichiro. They are what they are and what they are makes them the best players on the team, but for whatever reason people feel like laying the blame for the team’s struggles at their feet.
People can focus the blame on them all they want, but the reality of the situation is that the central midfield is almost completely absent from the build up, the Sounders seem incapable of doing anything clever when in possession of the ball in the vicinity of the opponent’s goal and the defense is susceptible to surrendering goals on the counter (which is at least partially explained by the shortcomings of the central midfield.)
I’m not saying Montero, Ljunberg and any other positive assets should be immune from criticism. Montero’s ability to place shots on target could use some improvement. Ljunberg needs to recognize that he’s not going to get calls he probably should and attempt to move past it. But in the grand scheme of things, neither Montero nor Ljunberg are a large part of what is wrong with this team.
by Aaron Campeau on May 24, 2010 1:09 AM PDT up reply actions
I generally agree, but ...
The counter-defense is really not a particular issue. The Sounders have allowed six goals on set pieces and three more with a couple touches of a throw-in (including Saturday’s goal). The defense has struggled, for whatever reason, when the offense has a chance to move players forward and the defense has not been able to match up. I’ll be writing on this issue extensively this week, hopefully we can make some sense of it.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on May 24, 2010 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions
I seirously don't think Montero is the problem
His effort was solid today. I didn’t have any problems with his play.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on May 22, 2010 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought Montero played
GREAT today. One of the few players who actually wanted the ball. I got so tired watching Sturgis and Ianni point to other players for the defenders to pass it to. Take it yourself if you know where it should go. Be PROACTIVE.
Montano
What do you guys think if we replaced Montero with Montano upfront? I think Montano has the work rate and seems to possess the skill as well. I think it’d be interesting to see what he’d bring as the front man.
Another problem i see with Montero is that he is consistently out of position. He tends to play in midfield as much or a little more than he plays up front. He’s suppose to be the front guy on the edge of the backline and yet if he is up front he doesn’t make runs. I’d like to see what Montano could bring in his place. Maybe he could provide the work rate Evans showed and something closer to Montero’s skills.
Sigi said they wanted Montero where he was this game...
As to Montaño, he strikes me as having a lot of energy, but not yet the skill to use it well. He looked out-of-control most of the time to me today on the pitch. I will grant that, if he put in the equalizer near the end of the match, I’d be singing a different tune…but that is, in itself, a symptom of his problem rather than my evaluation — he should have put it in, but didn’t.
My favorite thing about Montano
is that when he gets the ball he actually takes it FORWARD. Every time Riley gets it on the wing he takes one VERY quick look up the wing then passes back to Hurtado. EVERY time.
Montero looked just fine; he isn't our main concern.
You’re right though, he needs to find himself a way to make space. SJ in particular were making maneuvering very, very difficult.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on May 23, 2010 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Set plays
In the 71st minute we had a free kick from 25 yards. Why didn’t Ljungberg cede to Montero?
Regardless, his whining to officials is becoming tiresome. Someone should tell him we don’t do that in America.
by PeterJH on May 22, 2010 6:40 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I think that Montero couldn't take the kick
as his right leg was sore when he got taken down from behind.
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I know the Sounders philosophy on PKs...
…is that the person fouled shouldn’t take the kick, as he’ll still have his mind on the foul. I don’t know if that applies to free kicks as well, but it wouldn’t surprise me.
Maybe we should panic.
I think if our players played each game as if it was our last shot to make the playoffs because sooner or later we will be at that stage. I keep hearing how the season isn’t even half over yet, well what the hell are you waiting for??!! Get out there and get the results now so you can take it easy as you prepare for the post season. I’m tired of hearing about all the chances we create every game. Whenever I hear that now I take it as a bad thing.
What does panicking accomplish
I don’t think the issue is that the players “don’t want it enough” or whatever. Panicking just leads to craziness.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on May 22, 2010 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Don’t know how true this is but i am wondering if Seattle’s lack in finishing is related to Seattle’s whining at the refs.
I never see that much whining to the refs last year.
I think it's the other way around
I think they’re frustrated so they are complaining more.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on May 22, 2010 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions
No wonder why seattle doesn’t more calls going towards them if all they do is whine at the refs every times they are tackled/fouled etc happens to them. I would really wish the players would keep their mouths shut and perhaps more calls will go more towards their way.
If I ever hear the words "...everything but score" again
in reference to a Sounders game, I’m going to puke. This is completely ridiculous.
The Sounders did everything but score today.
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on May 22, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
MLS just isn’t at the same level of play as the other top leagues in the world, and today showed that perfectly.
Both team’s failed to capitalize on easy chances, obviously the home team more then San Jose.
Still the fact that there were so many defensive breakdowns that even allowed us to get so many chances is just another indicator that the “top tier” of American football is still a long way’s away from legitimacy.
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While the quality of play is much better
I hate the way their leagues are set up. The fact that champions can be decided weeks before the end of the season takes a lot of tension out. More so then that, the quality of team from the best to the worst is huge. Take La Liga, Barcelona finished 38 games with 1 loss and 6 draws. The last place team finished 8-10-20. Even the jump to third place from Barcelona is from 99 points to 71 (with the Galácticos at 96). While I love watching Barcelona, I’d hate to be in a league with them.
In 14 season 8 different teams have won the MLS cup (the most ever being 4 by DC). Compared to the EPL with 18 seasons and only 4 winners (most being ManU with 11). So while the EPL and La Liga are my favorite leagues to watch, I hope we never become them.
Amen.
Of course, the best of MLS isn’t in the same galaxy (pun intended) as the best from top European premier leagues. However, comparing our worst to their worst may not be too much of a stretch. I prefer the MLS’s parity over having to see the same team win year after year. A team playing like the Sounders would already be out of the running in the EPL. In the MLS, the majority of teams still have a realistic chance at this stage.
by Eastside Ajacied on May 23, 2010 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
The REAL money quote of Sigi's...
We have to look at ourselves as to why we spend game time to argue insistently with referees. We’ve got ask ourselves, if a guy hits a bad pass, why we throw up our hands and stop playing for a second?
It’s about time he called out Ljungberg. I would rather have FL on our team than not, but I’m getting sick of his bitching to the refs while play continues. And I’m getting tired of his complaining in general; it’s not helping. He’s had an entire season to see how they call things, and it’s not changing.
Quit whining, Freddie, and play.
by Blue Eyed Buddhist on May 22, 2010 9:26 PM PDT reply actions
I completely agree with this
I do often agree with what he is arguing about, but I strongly believe he should not be the one arguing it. Honestly, I have never seen a ref just say “Oh, yeah you are right. That was a bad call” and change his mind. And often times all you do is piss off the ref and make things worse for yourself. Let the fans do the booing and yelling.
I rather we don’t have Freddie and used the DP on someone else that cares about the team and not how the ref calls the game especially in the middle of the game.
There's certainly criticism to be made of Freddie (and plenty of other players)
but these assumptions that specific players don’t care about the team or the results aren’t fair. You have no idea what’s going through the minds of the players and to pretend as though you do is absurd.
Criticize based on fact, not inference.
by Aaron Campeau on May 22, 2010 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
A coach publicly calling out a player spells trouble.
I don’t disagree with Sigi in substance, but I do with his choice of venue. Yes, Sigi may be right, but comments like that should stay in the locker room, between himself, Ljungberg, and management. For a coach, manager or player to publicly call out someone else in the organization does more harm than good and is, IMO, unprofessional. I’m disappointed with that aspect of Sigi’s postgame comments. If these sort of comments from coaches or players are to continue, I expect turmoil in the Sounders’ future.
by Eastside Ajacied on May 23, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I felt it was aimed at more then Ljungberg
He just happens to be the most obvious case of this. But there are plenty of other players who do this as well (just not as often as Ljungberg). And take a look at that throw in last game just before the end. It took about 30 seconds for ANYONE to go over to the ball. Being down a goal with so little time left people need to be focused.
not enjoyable to watch
I’m a Supporter, so my relationship with the Sounders is like a marriage: ‘til death do us part… but this ineptitude I’m seeing is really sapping the enjoyment out of the relationship for me….
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