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Sigi means to break out the 4-4-2 again

Today, in his post-practice quote fest Coach Sigi Schmid noted the effectiveness of the offense when they have been in the 4-4-2. They are going to discuss using it over the next few (I'd read that as two) matches.

So the question is, who and how?

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First there are several common variants on the 4-4-2.

Traditional 4-4-2 with both layers of four having the outside players get forward more than the inside

Diamond 4-1-2-1-2 with a CDM and a CAM

Arrow 4-1-3-2 with a CDM and a WF

Inverted with aggressive wingbacks and wingers playing almost a 2-4-4

Wingers rather than wide mids playing like a 4-2-4

Lopsided, or assymetrical with one wide mid playing both ways and the other as a winger

All can be used successfully, and have throughout the years. Is there one that you would prefer?

Here are the healthy players listed as Attacking or Defending (Evans listed both times, as is Sturgis)

Attacking: Montero, Ljungberg, Zakuani, Levesque, Montano, Noonan, Nyassi, Estrada, Sturgis, Evans

Defending: Marshall, Graham, Parke, Gonzalez, Ianni, Riley, Wahl, Scott, Alonso, Evans, Sturgis

 

What variant would you prefer to see the Sounders play? Who do you start?

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Sigi from today's practice as well as Sounder at Heart notes from Memorial Day practice

Sigi Schmid – Head Coach
(On thoughts on Colorado game . . .) "We have got to keep working away. I don’t want to sound like a cliché or a broken record, but we have got to keep working away. We’re a little bit just looking at highlights of other games and you see [Joe] Cannon and [Jason] Hernandez making a complete mess of the first goal in the San Jose game or you see [Jimmy] Nielsen from Kansas City not being able to hold a soft cross and you’re saying, ‘When are we going to catch a break like that?’ The handball that was on [Omar] Cummings, you compare that handball to the handball that got called on Leo [Gonzalez] last year in New England or the handball that got called on Ozzie [Osvaldo Alonso] when he was in the wall, it’s like, ‘How come we are not catching that break?’ But, at the end of the day, you make your own breaks. It’s not the refereeing that’s stopping us. It’s us that’s stopping ourselves right now. Offensively it’s not good enough. We have got to create more things. Like the reserves today, the times we have played in a 4-4-2 I think, at the end of the day, we scored more goals. For us, whether we stay in a 4-3-3 or go into a 4-4-2 is something that we will definitely decide upon this week. We have just got to generate more consistent attacking play."

(On Sounders FC injuries . . .) "They still got to do a lot of hard work before they come back in. I think you could even see the rust on Jeff Parke and maybe the rust contributed a little bit. But, at the end of the day, I’m not really counting on [Nate] Jaqua until after the [World Cup] break and with [Peter] Vagenas we’ve got to see the same thing. I think we have enough people, we have enough personnel, and we have enough quality. It’s just a matter of our execution and just playing with a good spirit."

(On today’s reserve game versus Kitsap Pumas . . .) "It’s always good when you see people score goals. So Roger [Levesque] in the last couple of reserve games, obviously he got the goal against Boca, he got two here today. The reserve game before he got another one as well. So he is starting to score goals, which he wasn’t doing early on so that was good. I though David Estrada had some good moments. I thought Michael Seamon played well again. I thought [Nathan] Sturgis was good. Taylor [Graham] organized us in the back well. Sanna [Nyassi] had some good moments also. From that standpoint, it’s good. But what I really like most of all is they came out, especially in the first half where they dominated the game, they came out with a really good spirit. They came out with a really good team attitude and work rate."

(On New England Revolution and Shalrie Joseph’s return . . .) "We have got to worry about ourselves. Joseph’s been back now two games for them. Shalrie certainly makes a difference for them. It would have been nice to play them without Shalrie but that’s just the way it is. There are some teams that had the benefit of playing them twice while Shalrie was out – that’s something our league needs to look at. We need to look at within your first 15 games, you play 15 different teams, and then you play 15 different teams in your second 15 games. We have already completed our season series with New York and we’re not even halfway into our schedule. That’s wrong. Then you either get the advantage of a team being injured or you get a disadvantage of a team being on a role. I think we have to look at that as a league. For us right now, our concern has got to be ourselves. We have got to play soccer. We have got to take care of ourselves."

Goal Scorers today in the Reserve Game v the Kitsap Pumas were Levesque with two, Graham on a corner served by Sturgis and David Estrada.

Fucito will undergo surgery tomorrow. His knee looks like Jello, it wasn’t a comfortable site.

Jeremiah talked with Riley. I talked to Parke. Both were in the scrum with Sigi. I grabbed Adrian Hanauer for a quick single topic.

Lastly, Graham, Carlos and Kirsten (who has an open invite to write here) all got wet watching the Reserve Game where Jamal Wallace was in Sounders gear, though a Pumas player.

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by Dave Clark on May 31, 2010 3:15 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree with Sigi about the schedule

In addition to some teams being healthy or on a roll, there winds up being a lot of US national team duty during the MLS season, and that can make a big difference, too. For a number of reasons, I hope that Donovan and Buddle aren’t back for LA by July 4th, for instance.

by ubelmann on May 31, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Careful, I might just take you up on that offer.

And then your blog will be filled with rants about people who are unable to set their dvd players.

For now I like the lopsided 4-4-2 from below, except I’d like to see what happens if T.Graham gets stuck in. Also, with Alonso still limping, who takes his place right now? Please, someone give me a better option than Sturgis.

by Kirsten Schlewitz on May 31, 2010 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

It would be good to see seattle take advantage of the break and get some of the injured players healthy again.

by gstommylee on May 31, 2010 6:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Graham might have talked me into the assymetrical 4-4-2

               Freddy and Freddy
Zakuani
             Alonso Ianni Evans
Gonzalez Riley
                Parke Marshall
                       Keller

Yes, Evans folds in when he’s a RM, and Riley gets forward a ton to make that work, but the fact is it did work. This would be similar to what the Sounders started ’09 running, except without Jaqua

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by Dave Clark on May 31, 2010 6:45 PM PDT reply actions  

I suppose this would be an arrow, and I think it would bring out the best in our best players

      Montero Levesque
Zakuani Evans Ljungberg
            Alonso
Gonzalez – - – - Riley
        Parke Marshall
               Keller

Montero is at his best as more of a withdrawn striker than a pure target man, and I think Evans is best as a box-to-box type. Ljungberg gets to be on the wing so he can a) have more room to run and b) not get fouled as much so his head doesn’t explode. Levesque is not very good anywhere, but he’s essentially just filling Jaqua’s spot for two games, and would probably get subbed out for Noonan or Montaño around minute 65.

by Nick S on May 31, 2010 10:12 PM PDT reply actions  

I like this formation

I’d probably go with Nyassi instead of Levesque though. And maybe shake up the D a little bit – Wahl for Gonzalez, and maybe even Graham for Marshall once he’s fit. Gonzalez has been making me nervous lately

by chrisperry1983 on Jun 1, 2010 7:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

definitely play Nyassi this weekend. let him play against his brother! way better option than Levesque.

i like Gonzalez. i would replace Marshall or Riley before him. I really hope Graham is good to go. he is great at heading clear and organization!

by chinsmd on Jun 1, 2010 7:20 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

the big picture - who plays well together?

soccer is about the spark between two players. I haven’t seen it in 2010 for any sounders. Siggi has completely killed any imagination and fluidity with his absurd personnel practices. Vaginas and Nyassi are mindless wastes of space, so “giving them a chance” by allowing so much playing time is idiotic. Same goes for Evans. Play defensive mid or get off the field, cause you can’t create OR finish. Ljunberg needs ball-to-space forwards like Zak, not ball-to-feet strikers like Montero. Montero has really stepped it up since getting benched – respect. All we’ve needed in 2010 is a tall forward to balance us out, but the douchebag Siggi keeps having Marshall boot the ball to montero when everything fails in midfield (see vajinas or injured alonso). Play estrada and montano and the kid the scored the 3rd goal against boca. SIGGI’S COACHING IS OBSOLETE. The MLS has changed way beyond his abilities. now crucify me for not being patriotic

by Alex Golubev on Jun 1, 2010 9:27 AM PDT reply actions  

I think the team plays extremely well together

save those few games where someone’s having an off day. We just simply can’t finish. We create chances. We get shots on goal. We dominate possession. But we’re missing our target man (Jaqua) and for whatever reason scoring has dried up for Montero. Hopefully with a veteran striker coming in we can turn things around, or hopefully get things turned in that direction in the mean time. There’s no reason why we should be losing these games when we dominate play, and the only shot on goal the opponent has is the one that scores.

by chrisperry1983 on Jun 1, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

possession is meaningless

Chris, we can’t get the ball past midfield most of the time and resort to having Marshall boot it to little Montero at best or empty space at worst (except for the time he gave it away for an away goal). Without a tall forward target, this long-ball option is a liability and the other teams knows this quite well. Overcrowd our midfield and force the long ball to montero.

The other times we penetrate midfield, Nyassi makes a bold careless run down the side and loses the ball half the time or even worse shoots it. His supporting runs are always extremely late. he should be hit in space to capitalize on his speed, but he pulls up few yards on sides almost parallel to the ball carrier. we’re not using his only strength- speed.

Zakuani is great every single time. but he has to do everything himself, cause the sad truth is that Montero is a lone wolf. he wants the ball at his feet and then he’ll do his shake’n’bakes. that’s a great skill, but it belongs in italy or spain, not in the rough of MLS. I cannot wait for our bigger swiss frontman to get here. Ljunberg, Zakuani, and him will hook up for some amazing soccer. if they get some 95 mariners luck we may even make it into playoffs, but i’m very skeptical.

I still think Siggi needs to wake up. Taking off Montero when we’re down by a goal is idiotic. Remember the free kick we had to take without Montero? What in the world was he thinking? Take off a defensive midfielder like Evans instead of Montero and for gods sake bench Nyassi and Vajenas forever. WE have a lot of depth as the boca game shwoed. Letoux was a great asset at the end of last year – we haven’t seen him at all! We have so much new talent and it fully remind me of the US national team style – keep talent on the bench and play old US-known names who actually can’t play worth jack.

by Alex Golubev on Jun 1, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Le Toux was drafted by Philly in the expansion draft

You also realize that there have been at least two starters and one rotational player injured for every game this season?

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by Dave Clark on Jun 1, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

We get the ball past midfield constantly

We are out-shooting every opponent by huge margins every single game. We are making crosses right and left, and winning tons of corners. We’re in the offensive zone, but we aren’t connecting where it matters. Headers off the cross are lost every time. Ljungberg is the worst corner taker in the history of the game. And nobody seems to be able to put the ball on frame (but even in that case we’re outshooting opponents on frame)

I will agree with you that Sigi’s substitutions against Colorado were questionable at best. But overall, I think he knows what he’s doing. He’s the winningest coach in MLS. Two MLS cups, two supporter’s shield, two USOC’s…he clearly has what it takes to work this league. I don’t know if I’d put the blame on him yet. These looks like a combination of injury, a continuation of the goal drought experienced last year, and sophomore slump.

by chrisperry1983 on Jun 1, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

By the way

Zakuani had a limp yesterday. He was pulled due to injury.

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by Dave Clark on Jun 1, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Man

We can’t catch a break. Although since everyone we’ve played has gotten smart about Zakuani, he’s been double teamed with a third in wait on him and has basically made him ineffective as far as making runs goes. He has to immediately drop it back or setup a one-touch run, which doesn’t usually seem to work out.

by chrisperry1983 on Jun 1, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sigi won the MLS cup and supporters shield

not that long ago. You’re over-reacting just a tad. Is Kinnear a horrible coach now because the Dynamo aren’t doing as well as last season? How has the MLS changed way beyond Sigi in the last 3 months? Come on.

by Nevtelen on Jun 1, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

What I'd like to see

I’m not sure how much stock to put into the 4-4-2 idea since they haven’t really played that way with Freddie in the lineup since, what, the Toronto game? That was six matches ago. None of the reserve games had Freddie and I get the sense that if he’s going to play, he’s best suited for the CAM role.

Rather than a formation change, I’d like to see Graham get some time at CB alongside Parke. That gets you another big body on set pieces.

I really wouldn’t mind seeing Levesque get another shot at RW, even if it’s as a late sub. I think you either start him or go with Montano. I think you have to go with Ianni and Evans at the defensive mid spots.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jun 1, 2010 1:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Graham needs to be back in

His height was a beautiful thing to see in the back. And if he had any rust on him he shook it off quick. I’d love to see Montano get the start. I like that he’s not afraid to shoot.

by chrisperry1983 on Jun 1, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: shooting

I know that a lot of times guys don’t shoot is that they really don’t have a shot. Just to clear that up. Not implying that people sit there and don’t shoot.

by chrisperry1983 on Jun 1, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

the diamond four has a CAM

Ljungberg started there last year, and then got moved right

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by Dave Clark on Jun 1, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I get that

I’m just saying it’s been like six matches since they used that formation. I would rather them go back to that after the break.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jun 1, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

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