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Goalkeeping Numbers; or, How Good is Kasey Keller?

Obviously the primary problem the Sounders have is scoring goals. But on the defensive end, it has appeared to me that we give up goals despite controlling the run of play much of the time, and that we give up a high amount of goals relative to the number of opposing goal-scoring opportunities. There could be multiple reasons for this, one of which is goalkeeping.

Since the new MLS website is operating under the belief that statistics are to be hidden away in dark caves far far away from anyone who might want to use them, I went in myself and calculated the save percentage for each keeper who has played over 500 minutes this season. The number given is the total number of shots on goal a keeper faces, divided by the number of saves that keeper makes. I.e., Ricketts saves 93.4% of shots on goal.

Donovan Ricketts, LA       0.934
Kevin Hartman, Dallas      0.792
Bouna Coundoul, NYRB   0.758
Matt Pickens, Colorado     0.756
Preston Burpo, NE           0.738
Will Hesmer, Columbus    0.738
Stephan Frei, Toronto       0.7
Andrew Dykstra, Chicago 0.667
Jimmy Nielsen, KC          0.658
Joe Cannon, San Jose     0.647
Nick Rimando, RSL         0.645
Pat Onstad, Houston        0.64
Kasey Keller, Seattle        0.639
Troy Perkins, DCU          0.615
Zack Thornton, fat           0.607
Chris Seitz, hahaha         0.545

(raw numbers found here)

Two things stand out right away. Donovan Ricketts is really good, and Chris Seitz is really bad. Both of which makes sense.

But the placing of Keller is interesting. The Sounders netminder is well below the elite level of MLS keepers. He's faced only 36 shots on goal, but has made just 23 saves. This would seem to be indicative of one of three things. The defense in front of him could be normally very good but often breaks down to allow goal-scoring opportunities that the keeper can do nothing about. Keller and the defense could just be very unlucky. Or, Keller might not be saving as many shots on goal as he should.

The on-field evidence suggests that at least the first possibility is true. There have been quite a few stupid turnovers by defenders that led directly to goals. But maybe it's time to stop thinking of Kasey Keller as one of the very elite goalkeepers in MLS, because at this point, the numbers don't back it up.

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For future reference

The USA Today site has a decent collection of mls stats, including save percentage for goal keepers.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jun 1, 2010 12:15 AM PDT reply actions  

No

I think we’re working on getting more information like this available, tho.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jun 2, 2010 7:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Soon

That’s all I know for now

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by Dave Clark on Jun 2, 2010 7:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

But when the alternative is Terry Boss

there isn’t much option to keeping Keller out there right now. Not to demean Boss, he’s just totally unproven and this team needs relative consistency wherever it can be found. Keller is mid-pack in GAA, so it’s not like he’s descended from elite to awful. However he’s at an age where he’s not going to get better. So if the team continues to treat the playoffs as something to be avoided, they’ll need to give Boss some MLS starts to find out if he’s the answer going forward.

As a sidebar, you’re right, Ricketts is crazy good right now. He’s conceded two goals in 10 matches!

by 108Ultra on Jun 1, 2010 9:40 AM PDT reply actions  

I agree in that I don't see Keller as an elite keeper these days

But he seems like a pretty solid option (I thought there was a decent case for calling him the Sounders’ man of the match last Saturday), and Boss is going to get playing time when the schedule picks up after the break. (I don’t think that the Sounders really meant for Keller to get as many USOC starts as he did last year, but our backup keepers kept getting injured.)

I know keeper isn’t the most physically demanding position, but at Keller’s age, I doubt it’s ideal to have him starting twice a week very often. CCL play could be interesting—do the Sounders maybe start Keller on the road in CCL play because he has experience playing in those countries from WCQ and then start Boss in MLS and/or USOC games? It won’t be something we’ll see much of if we don’t get past Metapan, but DCU got past Firpo last year, so I’d say we certainly stand a chance against Metapan.

Keller’s biggest advantage would seem to be his experience organizing the defense in the back. I don’t know enough to say whether that’s been going well or not, but our overall defensive numbers have still been pretty good considering that we’ve had a few bad giveaways in our defensive third.

by ubelmann on Jun 1, 2010 10:40 AM PDT reply actions  

One thing that would be great in terms of adjusting GAA...

…is to adjust it for score. I’m sure that scoring rates are different (probably significantly different) depending on the score and the time of the game. As dominant has Ricketts has been—and I have been very, very impressed by him—LA has also been giving him a lot of leads, and with the lead, a team can play more conservatively on defense, and by playing more conservatively on defense, the keeper will probably not see as many high quality shots on goal.

At one point I was looking at stats on MLS’ old site where they had goal scoring broken up into 15-minute chunks of the game. If you look at the league as a whole, scoring is lowest in the first 15 minutes, it increases until halftime, then decreases right after halftime, and increases to its peak in the last 15 minutes of the game. Which makes sense to me—I think that in general defenders probably tire a little more than strikers, and at the end of the game, it’s more likely that one team is going to be pushing harder for goals than the other, which should increase their scoring some and also increase the opportunities for counterattacks.

Anyway, I don’t have a decent database of goal scoring to do the heavy lifting on that, but the information is all out there—all you need to know is when each goal is scored during each game. From there, you could get even fancier if you wanted by adjusting for number of players on each side, but that’s probably a smaller effect on the overall GAA since it doesn’t often happen that a team players a man down.

by ubelmann on Jun 1, 2010 10:52 AM PDT reply actions  

Sample Size?

Remember its only 10 games at most for Keepers, most even less.

Two shutouts for Keller and two Rickets blowouts and the needle moves significantly.

Bouna was considered awesome in the first five games or so…and now?

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by Dave Clark on Jun 1, 2010 11:18 AM PDT reply actions  

First off, I'm obviously not advocating dropping Keller because that would be a little bit crazy

This was something I’ve noticed, and something I thought might have gotten a bit lost underneath all the other problems the Sounders are having. This post was more intended as a jump-off point for discussion than a “Play Boss now!!!” rant.

Sample size is why I mentioned that luck could be an element. The numbers are to be taken with a grain of salt. For what it’s worth, Keller’s played the most minutes of any MLS goalkeeper.

And personally, I would argue that BounaTime is still pretty dang good. Third highest save percentage, for one thing. And a lot of the goals he’s giving up aren’t on him, despite his reputation. In the 3-2 loss last weekend, one of those was an own goal and one of those came with New York down to 9 men. The game before that, a 3-1 loss to the Crew, one goal was on a complete defensive breakdown and the other two were unmarked headers. It’s the Red Bull defense that’s caused them to start skidding, not their keeper.

Of course, two shutouts for Keller would go a long way. Plus we’d even get 2 points out of it!

by Nick S on Jun 2, 2010 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

More Bouna defense

The four goals he gave up against SJE were also a man down.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jun 2, 2010 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just noticed the team you listed for Thorton

I can’t smile big enough

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by Dave Clark on Jun 2, 2010 6:19 AM PDT reply actions  

Keller seems to be making saves

that he should. Other than the first goal in the LA game, I can’t think of a time when I said “Keller shoulda’ had that.” Most of the goals that have been scored on him have been shots that he has had no chance at. And I can think of several saves that Kasey has made that were absolutely amazing, that on most goalkeepers would have been goals. I think that Keller is an above average keeper that is playing behind a defense that has let through too many goal scoring opportunities.

by seattlecubsfan on Jun 4, 2010 8:48 AM PDT reply actions  

For a clearer view...

…I’d like to see the figures for goals allowed during the run of play. It seems to me that an unusually-large percentage of the goals scored on Keller have taken place during set-pieces where one of our defenders totally failed to mark his opponent, and there was little the keeper could do. For run-of-play numbers, and with the exception of the total flub on L.A.’s first goal, Kasey has seemed to me quite solid.

by regnaD kciN on Jun 5, 2010 12:35 AM PDT reply actions  

In case you missed it

Here’s the piece I did on the Sounders’ goals allowed on set-pieces dating from two weeks ago. I don’t have all the numbers handy on the other teams, but this will show that Keller has been pretty good in run of play.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jun 5, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

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