Quick Review: Sounders fall 4-0 to Galaxy
UPDATE: Quotes are here.
With a score like that, it seems foolhardy to bother looking for positives. Sure, the Sounders probably had the better run of play in the first half, but they were once again unable to finish any of their opportunities.
It's impossible to say how this game would have been different if Kasey Keller had been able to save Jovan Kirovski's first-half strike. Would the Sounders have been able to play a tighter defense? With two of three-second half goals coming on set pieces, that seems like a dubious claim. Basically, the best thing the Sounders can do is figure out what exactly went wrong in this game, try to learn from it and move on as quickly as possible.
From what Sigi Schmid said after the match, I'd be shocked not to see at least a couple lineup changes.
"It's not time to panic but it's time for some people to wake up and for character to step forward," he said. "When you're down two, three or four to nothing, you have to step up. Some guys we've asked to step up and it hasn't happened so changes are forthcoming. You have to play with energy. We let them control the game. We had to speed it up and no one on our side made that happen. We got hammered on the field and they should feel hammered in the locker room. They need to go inside and find their reaction and their inner core.
"I've given some guys a longer leash than others. That leash just tore today."
Essentially, this match was all about Landon Donovan. I said in my scouting report of the Galaxy that he had become the supporting player to Edson Buddle's leading man. I didn't necessarily mean that literally, as I meant it more in the sense that Buddle is the one who gets all the attention.
Today was a perfect illustration of why Donovan is really the player that makes this team go. He had a hand in all four goals, assisting on the first three and putting the final touch by scoring the final one off an assist from, who else?, Buddle.
I didn't get a real clear look at Donovan's role in the first goal, but he had impeccable service on the two that came off set pieces. The goal that made it 2-0 was on a beautifully placed corner that Omar Gonzalez was able to get on the end of. The free kick seemed more a product of blown coverage, as Todd Dunivant was essentially unmarked inside the box off a free kick from just outside the penalty area.
On the final goal of the game, Buddle made a nice play to keep the ball inbounds. Made a couple nice dribble moves and found Donovan as he streaked toward the right corner of the goal. It was Donovan's first goal of the season to go along with eight assists. Buddle now has nine goals and two assists.
Honestly, I'm not sure where the Sounders go from here. They have a tough road game at New York Red Bulls next week and then return home to face a surprisingly tough San Jose team.
I would imagine they'll put the 4-3-3 on the shelf this week and reassess the team's strengths. It wouldn't be at all surprising to see some lineup changes. But anyone hoping to see a player brought in from the outside is probably going to be disappointed. There's not a lot of room for changes right now, and the Sounders will probably have to just hope Nate Jaqua returns quickly and that they are still in decent position when Blaise N'Kufo joins the team sometime after July 15.
Are there realistic changes you'd like to see made?
Stats and quotes after the jump.
Goals by Period 1 2 Tot Los Angeles Galaxy 1 3 4 Seattle Sounders 0 0 0
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Scoring Summary: |
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LA -- Jovan Kirovski 1 (Landon Donovan 7, Michael Stephens 3) 22 |
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LA -- Omar Gonzalez 1 (Landon Donovan 8) 52 |
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LA -- Todd Dunivant 1 (Landon Donovan 9) 57 |
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LA -- Landon Donovan 1 (Edson Buddle 2) 67 |
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Los Angeles Galaxy -- Donovan Ricketts, Bryan Jordan, Omar Gonzalez, Gregg Berhalter, Todd Dunivant, Michael Stephens, Christopher Birchall, Chris Klein (Tristan Bowen 63), Landon Donovan (Clint Mathis 71), Edson Buddle (Alex Cazumba 75), Jovan Kirovski. |
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Misconduct Summary: |
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SEA -- Jhon Kennedy Hurtado (caution; Reckless Tackle) 38 |
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SEA -- Leo Gonzalez (caution; Reckless Tackle) 48+ |
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SEA -- Tyrone Marshall (caution; Unsporting Behavior) 62 |
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LA -- Tristan Bowen (caution; Reckless Tackle) 64 |
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Referee: Kevin Stott |
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Referee's Assistants: -Nate Clement; Frank Anderson |
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4th Official: Edvin Jurisevic |
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Attendance: 36,273 |
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Time of Game: 1:51 |
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Weather: Clear-and-60-degrees |
All Statistics contained in this boxscore are unofficial
Seattle Sounders FC vs. L.A. Galaxy - May 8, 2010 - Quotes
Sigi Schmid - Sounders FC Head Coach
(General Comments . . .) "Got beat and got beat solidly. Not the kind of game you want to ever repeat again."
(On allowing four goals . . .) "The first goal you don't expect a keeper like Keller to have that happen, but sometimes it does. The second goal was a good goal. Our marking could have been better but I thought we were tight and he put it in the corner. The third goal was inexcusable. It skipped past two guys. You have to not hope that someone else will do what you're supposed to. On the fourth goal we were ducks in a shooting gallery."
(On moving forward from this loss . . .) "It's not time to panic but it's time for some people to wake up and for character to step forward. When you're down two, three or four to nothing, you have to step up. Some guys we've asked to step up and it hasn't happened so changes are forthcoming. You have to play with energy. We let them control the game. We had to speed it up and no one on our side made that happen. We got hammered on the field and they should feel hammered in the locker room. They need to go inside and find their reaction and their inner core."
(On offside calls . . .) "A couple times we got called because guys were lazy coming back. A couple offsides weren't offsides - bad calls by the linesmen. A couple of them the ball was played too late. I thought we were inches off breaking them down in the first half. Then we came out and gave up the second goal seven minutes into the second half and a horrendous third goal. It's embarrassing."
(On lack of offense . . .) "Close to creating things but not creating things. We need guys that will give up their body in the box. We don't need six playmakers. We need guys who can score. We need more movement, harder running."
(On loss of Osvaldo Alonso to injury . . .) "I thought [Nathan] Sturgis did fine. I don't think that having Ozzy would have had an impact on the second or third goal."
(On team's effort . . .) "They have to believe in themselves and learn how to transfer that belief into effort. Not pleased with the effort when we were three goals down. Have to show character and say if we're going down, go down swinging and get a couple goals. Some had that attitude and some phoned it in."
(On worst loss as Sounders FC head coach . . .) "It is the toughest loss. Remind me to never wear a sport jacket again. It was the first time I've worn one and it will be the last time. When I was with the Galaxy, we took a few shellackings along the way. Sometimes something like this is good because when you get your rear end handed to you, people are a little more attentive to what you're telling them."
(On competition for spots . . .) "We compete for spots every week. I've given some guys a longer leash than others. That leash just tore today."
Kasey Keller - Sounders FC Goalkeeper
(General comments . . .) "I made a mistake and we went a goal down and we weren't able to recover from that. It's one of the tough things about goalkeeping. I thought we were doing OK. We had a goal that was called offside and it wasn't so that added to the frustration."
(On team's effort in second half . . .) "I didn't think that heads were down. Guys were disappointed, sure, but I didn't get the vibe that we were going to come out and perform the way we did."
(On Galaxy's first goal . . .) "It swirled on me, but the ball swirls every time it comes at you so there's no excuse. It moved and I didn't react in time."
(On moving forward from this loss . . .) "I hope we wake up and get better. There are some good characters on this team and I don't see any reason why we can't bounce back. I remember a year in the Premiere League when Man U lost 5-0 and came back and won the title. So it's not the end of the world."
Freddie Ljungberg - Sounders FC Midfielder/Forward
(On mistakes . . .) "We've made mistakes and we continue to make mistakes. They were constantly under attack and we made mistakes. That's something that we have to stop doing. In soccer, most goals are made on mistakes. So that's something we have to cut out to win games."
(On team's effort . . .) "In any team that will happen when the game gets that embarrassing. If it's within one point, people will still fight. But more than that, it's hard to stay engaged."
Miguel Montaño - Sounders FC Forward
(On how he played . . .) "I feel really good. I went into the field with a lot of enthusiasm. I think it was noted. I feel really good. I try really hard. It was my first game in MLS and with the Sounders and I felt very good about it. I tried to do my best but of course the result didn't come with us so I hope that for next game we will do better. That was disappointing for me."
(On entering game down three goals . . .) "Yes, I knew that we were down but I still entered the field with a lot of enthusiasm and we needed a goal - attack, attack, attack. I was doing my best to do that. Now we know that we need to do it better. We need the wins and we are going to try for that."
(On earning more playing time . . .) "It's not just about the game that we had today. I know that I have to keep working day-by-day to keep earning my position and I 'm going to keep working in that direction."
Bruce Arena - Galaxy Head Coach
(On his team having a good game against Seattle . . .) "The first half was pretty even. We got an important goal. The second half our team played really well."
(On the Sounders plan to stop Edson Buddle . . .) "Edson Buddle had a great game, I thought. He doesn't need to score goals all the time as a forward. He helps create goals and scoring opportunities. He held onto the ball well tonight. Landon [Donovan] and Edson played really well tonight by any way you evaluate performances."
(On Landon Donovan and Edson Buddle playing together for the U.S. National Team...) "That is not my choice. I have a different job than that."
(On his team playing better than today . . .) "This is one of those games where everything goes your way. Hopefully we are going to play better games and we will get better. We have to get better. We are only eight games and there is a lot of season left to play."
(On his team's defense . . .) "We played very well at that end of the field. [Donovan] Ricketts is outstanding."
Landon Donovan - Galaxy Midfielder
(On the team improving as the season progresses . . .) "We can play better. If we were playing better later in the game we could have scored five or six goals. You never want to take your foot off the gas. If it's the other way, teams can make mistakes."
(On when the team was able to take control of the match . . .) "We know we were the better team and we wanted to be aggressive and not let them dictate the game. They had the ball in the first half and our back line did a great job. When we had chances to score, we were ruthless."
(On teams focusing on stopping Edson Buddle...) "Our team is really good. A lot of attention is being placed on him and everyone else is doing a lot of things right to put him in that position. Today, he did a lot of things to get other people in the right position."
(On Edson Buddle proving himself to gain a spot on the U.S. National Team . . .) "Yes, absolutely."
Edson Buddle - Galaxy Forward
(On creating opportunities for his teammates to score . . .) "I knew it was going to be a physical match for myself and us. We were aware of the Sounders tendencies and it was up to me to find the runners coming through."
(On having his teammates take the lead and score . . .) "I never plan it that way. It just so happened this year I have been able to get on the score sheet early. It just so happened that guys were able to score and we had a good result here in Seattle."
(On being nervous about possible call up to the National Team . . .) "Not really. My focus is on playing here on Monday."
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Great question
and I don’t believe there’s a short answer. We were talking about this as we left the game today and there’s just not much in the way of options. Even if we wanted to cut a few players and try to sign some new ones, there isn’t much in the way of talent available and who’s to say that any newcomer would be an upgrade from what we already have. This is a systemic problem and one that worsens every single week. While every other team in MLS this year (except NE) has incrementally improved, we have not. We haven’t gotten worse, they’re getting better. I’m not sure what that means, but I have a sense that this season is already somewhat lost. But in the topsy turvy world of MLS, we might find a way in the last 1/3 to get into the playoffs…. but I’m not feeling it right now.
every other team improving?
That isn’t true. Dynamo Chives Dallas Toronto DC salt lake Chicago are all teams that are worse this year than last.
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I watch a lot of games
All of those teams have improved, somewhat DURING the year (I didn’t say from last year to this). The Sounders have not. Improvement doesn’t always mean results. But it would be a damn sight better than what we’ve seen so far this season.
last week wasn't an improvement?
One game does not establish a trend
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No, it wasn't
Look, from game to game, every team is going to be a bit up and down. Improvement is measurable….. but the only true measurement is wins and improved scoring/defense. Where are you seeing that improvement? I’d submit (and I did all last week right here) that possession doesn’t translate to scoring and wins (it’s a style of play, dictated by your personnel). Domination does. I didn’t see any dominance, just a lot of posession that didn’t translate into any sort of dominance. Were we ever truly dangerous? Okay, we did have a couple of nice shots (last week). But they didn’t go in did they? In fact, most of them looked a little desperate and quick.
Dave, all I’m getting from you is questions and statements with absolutely no supporting argument. How do you feel this team has improved since game 1? Come at me with something substantive and I’d be happy to debate. If you’re just gonna talk about improved possession, we got nothing to talk about because, again, it’s a style, not an indicator. Plenty of teams bunker and counter and are VERY effective at it with little to show in terms of possession. Again, it’s a style, not an indicator. I gotta say, it feels a little like beating a dead horse (not you, them!).
I'll be honest
I’ve been posting from a cell phone for the past 24+ hours.
So longer comments have been impossible. That is fixed, and I’ll have much more over the next few days.
But you said this “Improvement doesn’t always mean results”
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Then “Improvement is measurable….. but the only true measurement is wins and improved scoring/defense.”
I think there are a few things that we can do to look at some trends, available players and issues facing the Sounders. I will continue to do so. Expect a post on that direction in a bit.
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Results based analysis is dangerous in any sport
Looking at the big picture is definitely a way to see trends and measure play. Results will come, but measuring the level of the team solely on results right now isn’t the way to go.
Just Gross
What an ugly, ugly, ugly game. We got completely and utterly undressed. We looked like – charitably – an expansion team.
A couple of quick observations…
- Once Alonso left, the midfield completely fell apart and disappeared
- Inexcusable defensive lapses yet again
- Current lineup can’t score.
- First time I’ve seen Casey play poorly.
What do I want? Two things.
- Sigi to admit that things suck and that they are playing inexecusably poorly. No we’re getting better and some individuals played well, but some kind of indication that there is a problem that needs to be addressed
- Any player who failed to show commitment/concern to the bench. There is no excuse for the play today. I’m seeing too much – so what, we’re really good. No your are not.
- A complete review of the lineup. Right now the only players i would consider having a lock on their starting job are Keller, Hurtado, Alonso and Ljundberg with the possible additions of Reilly and Zakuani.
- Any player – including Ljunberg – who talks back to the ref fined and benched. Anyone else see the free kick the Ljunberg made that no one else on the team got because they where bitchin’ about the ref?
What an utter and complete disaster. Simply inexcusable.
Bench the lot of them
I cannot believe how uninspired we played today. At this point I don’t care if we are fielding the best players we have. I’d rather see some kid that gives the ball away stupidly that wants to be there than a bunch of babies that can’t even get excited for a game when 36,000 people are cheering for them.
Actually, I think we played quite well for the first half...
We controlled possession, passed well, worked the triangle to perfection. The fact that we had eight offsides in the first half testified to our attacking game. If we had one weakness (and it’s a big one, with Jaqua out and Seba gone), it was the lack of a tall TF working inside. It’s easy for a defense to control a small team most of the time, since they can simply force them to the edge, clog the box, and know that they won’t be able to lob a pass in for the big guy to get a head on.
What bothered me about the game was that, once they got their second goal, it was a real gut-check for our side. Granted that we were unlikely to win, or even draw, could we still play with pride and intensity and, at the very least, not let it get any worse? The final score tells the tale. Essentially, from that point on, our players quit on our team, our fans, and each other. Not just in failing to score ourselves, but in failing to defend and surrendering two more scores. Shameful.
Let’s face it – this was a thorough ‘take to the woodshed’ ass-whipping. They were better than us physically, tactically, and especially on the basis of sheer talent. This is what happens when a talented team, clicking on all cylinders, meets a less talented team that really doesn’t have much of a clue.
Donovan was the best player on the field, but there were a number of his teammates who were close.
by Angus Podgorny on May 8, 2010 3:48 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I hate to bring up the past...
…but SoH’s post-season insistence that we really didn’t need to do much for 2010, just sit back and wait for the inevitable improvement that would come with the team getting more experience playing together, just seems downright silly right now.
Maybe we need to realize that the MLS, not unlike the National Throwball League, is a “parity league” where a team’s fortune can change drastically from one season to another (NYRB is the prime example so far), and that, unless a franchise is steadily making efforts to move ahead, they’ll do nothing but fall behind.
I'll just put this out there again
What moves, specifically, do you think we missed out on? The Galaxy didn’t change much and they are the best team in the league. We were basically even with them during the regular season last year. Unless there’s a specific move you think we should have made, I don’t know that this is the problem.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on May 8, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd say
that the first mistake was believing that we had the luxury to wait for N’Kufo until July. We should have had a signing in here when camp started (by working in the offseason to make it happen). But to be fair, injuries have also just crippled any options this team may have had.
nkufo was not going to quit twente and switzerland
Next idea?
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Cripes
we ARE in a bad mood. I was trying to point out that we should have gone for someone else. Someone better, paid more, and got ‘em in camp in the beginning. I know, shoulda coulda, but that’s really all we have at this point, because there is no quick fix around the corner. I’m just saying that the FO totally underestimated our need. Last season was evidence enough that we needed a target guy. I’ll go you one further…. I never felt we needed a striker as much as we needed a c-back of high quality who is young enough to stay 5-6 years and set a foundation in place. THAT’S what we should be targeting—the steady, savvy c-back with some set-piece upside.
Indeed i have my own list of roster needs that the team needs to solve but no idea who would be good to fill those needs.
RB starting & depth DM in depth CAM starting/dept RW (starting/depth?), LW in depth better quality in starting, depth WF and TF and so far they only solved starting TF but he won’t show up until July.
I don’t know if Ljungberg or Montero would be any worth keeping on the roster.
basically you think this is the worst team in the league
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I do know of one answer at RM/RW
Who may even be available right now
and it would piss off so many Sounders fans …
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Because it simply doesn't matter
I could give you dozens of names, but they’re just names. I believe it was you who said that we have no idea who they may have gone after in the offseason or what they may have been looking for and I totally agree. My post wasn’t about specifics as much as an overall sense that we may not have done that much at all, feeling that the team with a season under their belt would probably be improved. Gotta be honest, I may not have bought into that totally, but I thought it did have some merit.
What if we're out of play-off contention when n'Kufo arrives?
When n’Kufo’s signing was announced, I had figured that Sounders may have a chance at the MLS Cup if they could just stay in playoff contention until he arrives, that he should help Sounders do well in playoffs, so it seemed like a good move. Would it still be a good move bringing in someone like n’Kufo mid-season if Sounders are realistically out of play-off contention by then?
by Eastside Ajacied on May 9, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Even Red Bull New York was still in contention in mid-July
Also, the Sounders will be competing in the Champions League and US Open Cup still.
nKufo helps in the quest for those trophies as well.
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While I don't know exactly who or what was available...
…I do know that SoH was preaching the gospel that “we don’t really need to make any drastic moves, figures show that expansion teams always play better their second season, we just need more experience together,” etc., etc. At the time, I was unconvinced, and pointed out that our 2009 was not a normal expansion team’s first season, and expecting a commensurate improvement to, say, a team going 4-16-10 their first year to 9-10-11 their second season was probably unrealistic. In short, that we couldn’t just sit back and expect certain improvement for 2010. In light of the season so far, it’s hard to argue that I was wrong and SoH was right.
Well, I'll let Dave speak for himself (I'm assuming that's who SoH is)
I still think it was a perfectly reasonable expectation for this team to improve. No one disputes the skill that is here. It’s currently not performing up to snuff. I have no idea who could have been brought in that offers a clear upgrade over who we have and still manages to fit under the salary restrictions.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on May 8, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
You must hang with a different crowd
because questioning the pieces of this puzzle is about all we (my friends and I) did all off-season. I’m guessing that by skill, you mean the whole package: athleticism, speed, on the ball skill, soccer IQ, etc.
We’ve maintained all along that Montero is a high skill guy who, after taking folks by surprise in MLS, is now being shut down because of his lack of consistent work rate, his disdain for the physicality of the league, and some of the slowest foot speed I have ever seen out of a professional athlete… any sport. He is not respected by defenders and because of it, they can play up on him knowing that even if he gets by, they can recover and shut him down. And they do. I resent being called a hater, mostly because I really do like Montero’s skill. But I also said that the best thing that could happen to him is to be sat until he understands that it’s about a TOTAL game, not parts. Does everyone still pathetically believe that he’s going anywhere this summer? If he can’t play at this level, where the hell is he going?
We maintained that we had no presence in the box in the air or in the midfield for that matter. Nearly every team dominated us in the air last season. Jacqua allowed us to at least hold our own in some of those games (and Evan’s also helps with his work rate). Speaking of which…. he ain’t really a striker, he’s more of the b-ball equivalent of a point forward. A guy with a nice soccer IQ, strong passer, good work rate, but limited finishing ability.
We maintained that there was NOTHING after that. Nothing that was going to pay immediate dividends. Then Fucito came along and gave a sliver of hope. Cripes, I was upset when he went down with that injury.
We maintained that the defense was a little shaky sometimes and that too much was being put on Keller, Hurtado/Marshall, and Alonso. Marshall has had 3 knee surgeries in the past 7 years. He’s an old man. There is no way that he is/was going to stand up to the rigors of playing on turf all season, let alone the fact that his own body is going to start betraying him. If you think Ianni is an upgrade, you’re mistaken. I can honestly say that I don’t believe anyone in Seattle knows more about this guy than I do (other than the team itself). I’ve followed him his entire career since he was a youth player in our national system. He’s a good guy, a hard worker, with a limited upside.
That’s the SHORT list.
We were never going to be able to solve these issues in one off-season—there were just too many things that needed a little tweaking. Not a lot, mind you, because you’re right, this team does have enough skill to compete. But winning isn’t about having enough….. it’s about having more. More skill, more heart, more cohesion. I’ve seen that out of a few teams this season….. but, sadly, not out of us.
Finally, yes, the team will improve. How could they not? That was as bad as it gets yesterday. Maybe rock bottom is what it will take to shake things up. But despite all this negative talk, I think we’ve got more than enough pieces to get in the play-offs and, heck, who knows what happens then? But this lumbering ship needs to start turning in the next 2-3 weeks.
Not sure how different our crowds are
I don’t think anyone went into the offseason believing this team was perfect. That’s not what I said, I don’t think that’s what Dave said. What people like us did do, though, was take an honest look at what seemed to be available and trusted that if someone out there offered a clear improvement than some reasonable attempt would have been made to get him. Given our choices, bringing the band back together with the hope that it would improve with time seemed like a decent gamble.
I think there were certainly questions about this team that all of us had. The fact that there wasn’t a obvious big-name change sitting on the roster at the start of the season doesn’t mean those same questions weren’t being asked.
Maybe, against seemingly obvious logic, the Sounders can figure out how to bring in a player of the caliber you’re talking about. I’m just curious who you think that might be. You say that you realize this wasn’t going to get fixed in one offseason. In that case, I’m wondering who you think is the model?
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by Jeremiah Oshan on May 9, 2010 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Yea it is difficult to find the right person that would be an actually improvement and being able to get that person.
Plus Seattle has so many issues right now I’m not they will be able to solve it this summer yet alone even this year. Seattle may have a quality finisher this summer but if they can’t get the ball to him to where Kufo can put in the net Seattle has serious roster restructure going on after the 2010 season.
I’m almost to the point where i would be happy to see Portland and Vancouver take a player from Seattle. It forces Seattle to actually fix up the roster when there are open spots.
Agreed
and sorry for jumping to conclusions.
I’ll be honest, as I said above, I haven’t really gotten into specifics. I know the type of player I’d like to see us go for and at what position, but I’m uncertain both with who was out there this past off-season and who will be available come mid-July. Tough mid-level EPL type central defender, young enough to give us a good 5-6 years (29-30 or so) and willing to be a part of building something stable and lasting for the future. A mentor in the truest sense and a guy who will give us the benefit of his savvy and soccer IQ.
I know it ain’t going to be easy, but I also suspect before next season, we’re going to see some of these guys in the league—I want us to be one of them. We have a great city, nice atmosphere at the game, iffy field, a strong opportunity for a future beyond soccer in this town, and a great place to raise a family. Oh, and the money.
One more thing to keep in mind
There were a lot of people, not just Dave, saying this team was poised to improve regardless — and maybe because — they kept so many players.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on May 8, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
You're correct, there were a lot of people saying that...
I thought they were dead wrong at the time — and know they were dead wrong now.
Just changing things up isn't the answer
Look at the Galaxy – good example. There are only 1 or 2 new players on those teams. The issue the Sounders have is injury related. What if LA had Buddle, Gordon, and, I don’t know, another attacking player. They certainly wouldn’t be as good as last season, let alone as good as they are now. Major lineup changes just aren’t a good idea unless a team has really been floundering. With the salary cap, there are only so many good players that any team can have on the roster.
BTW
until the wheels fell off the bus after the 2nd goal, the Sounders were doing a very good job with the Galaxy midfield. They’ve done a very good job in the last several games in midfield. There have been very significant improvements in terms of possession and controlling a match so far this season. Specific players, like Zakuani, have significantly improved individually. If 2/3rds of any team’s attacking players were injured, any team in MLS would have issues.
The D is another question. I do think it is worse than last season and I’m not sure exactly why. I’m not sure that wholesale changes would have helped much there, though.
Midfield looked good
at least in the first half. I hope they don’t give up the 4-3-3. At least one of Vagenas and Alonso was always wide open for an outlet from back. The lack of finishing is a concern, but I’m not too worried.
But the defense is much worse than last year and I’m not sure why, especially since the personnel are the same. There were nowhere near this many mental lapses and failures to mark last year.
Agreed
and that’s very concerning because the offense at least has some obvious hope coming down the pike when guys get healthy and Kufo gets to town. The D doesn’t have any help in sight. And after being tied for the best D in the league last season, you would think it wouldn’t need it.
I'm really starting to lose faith in Marshall
besides that one slip up that allowed Lenhart to get that goal Ianni played great last game. I’ve begun to start cringing every time Marshall gets the ball…. by the way I have to wonder why Vagenas was the one trying to mark Gonzalez on that corner he scored…
HOw does anybody know what moves they missed out on? We have no idea what moves were available to them. All I know is that they struggled to score goals last season -especially at home – and their solution was to sign a 34 year old striker from Switzerland than won’t be here until July.
In what ways did they strengthen the team between this year and last year?
I would just look at what players changed teams
I haven’t done this, but don’t remember big names switching teams.
I would say it seemed like a perfectly reasonable thing to expect: that given more time together the skilled players we had would eventually improve together.
More to the point, worrying about what happend last offseason seems like a waste of energy. This team is probably only going to get better if the players already here improve.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on May 8, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
A new Qwest
We have 36k+ at every game.
What can we do to make Qwest a difficult place to visit? I feel like opponents look forward to playing here. It pumps them up. They feed off our energy. How can we increase the fear?
Though atmosphere aside, Qwest would be a lot more daunting if we were a better home team. Despite the numbers Arlo ran out there (just a handful of losses; this is only the second time we’ve allowed more than one goal), we don’t dominate at home.
Unfortunately, we don’t dominate on the road, either. We are currently subdominant.
"36k+ at every game"...
I’d like to think that this will continue, that “Sounder ’til I die” is more than just a chant. But Seattle is known as a town of front-running sports fans. Give us a winner, and we’ll bleed green and blue. But give us a bottom-of-the-table team? That legendary “three-year waiting-list for Seahawks season tickets” sure cleared out fast once the Hawks started losing. I can only wonder what might happen if the Sounders have a genuinely poor season, and wind up on the outside looking in for the playoffs. Will there be that 36k+ next season? Will there be 30k, or 25k, or 20k? For that matter, given, say, a match on a drizzly early-April night against the likes of KC, will we even be able to count on 10k in the stands? With a Sounders team with a proven track-record, sure, but with a team coming off a poor season? Only time will tell.
But we have 36k now.
So what can be done now?
You’re changing the subject.
You're right, I'm changing the subject...
…because I think it’s something the Sounders need to keep in mind. They’ve lived a charmed life so far, but I hope they realize that Seattle fans are notorious for supporting winners and jumping off the bandwagon once the winning stops, and they can’t count on this level of support with a steady diet of performances like this. From the die-hard soccer fans, sure, but I still don’t know how many of that 36k+ are “Sounders ’til I die” and how many are general sports fans who were desperate to see a winning Seattle franchise, especially after the Sonics left.
Now, back to your question: I’m not sure what else the fans could do. Get nastier with their chants? Throw bottles, like in Toronto? (I hope you realize those suggestions were tongue-in-cheek….well, at least the second one was.) It seems to me that the fans have done everything they could do, and that your initial observation that Qwest would be more intimidating if SSFC was a better team rings true.
My theory about Qwest
is that the first time a borderline call goes against the Sounders (in most cases probably a perfectly reasonable call) and 30,000 boos rain down it goes to the Sounders’ heads – they start arguing with the refs instead of paying attention and take themselves out of the game.
Once Alonso went down...
… the 4-3-3 no longer made sense. Do we seriously think we can defend with Vagenas and Sturgis plus the back four?
Someone needs to explain the offside law to Zakuani. He clearly is confused about it.
by PeterJH on May 8, 2010 4:34 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Let the speculation begin
Looks like changes are, in fact, on the way. Maybe Patrick Ianni in the back. Maybe Miguel Montano gets a chance to start. Does Sigi really sit guys like Marshall, Montero, Vagenas or Evans. You have to imagine at least one of those aren’t starting next week. Practice should definitely be interesting this week, and I’ll do my best to report what I see.
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I definitely think Montano should get a start. He was one of the few players that really tried to run at people and score. Everyone else was resigned to let Galaxy off with an easy win. I didn’t see any sense of urgency or drive to score after the second goal. Instead they gave up.
I firmly believe we have all the talent we need. I just don’t think some of the guys on the team are playing like they want it enough. Give the players that are playing like they want to score some time. It’s really too bad Fucito is out for the next few games… we could use him about now… or someone like Le Toux. Is Levesque hurt? cuz we haven’t seen him in a while and while he might not be the best at least he tries to contribute.
Hard to say
if Montano is starter material or if he just looked good because his teammates were sleepwalking by that point.
That's exactly why Montano should start
Do we want to see people who are going to give up when they are down or fight? Montano was one of only a couple who were trying to win the game til the end. I’d rather watch out B team try their hardest than watch our A team decide it’s not worth trying anymore. I mean the Revolution got two freaking goals today off of the Crew just because they were trying even though they have almost no one above mediocre on that team right now. Sounders could do better solely by putting people on the field that will fight and want to play.
Montano was like the only one who tried running at players instead of seeing there was a guy in front of him and passing backwards. We need more of what Montano did how ever we get that. It’s really too bad that Fucito is out for the next few games…
10 offsides? really?
I stopped watching when the first goal went in. Right now I have no faith that we can score when we need too, and I knew we would lose or at best get a lucky tie.
I don’t think I’ve seen 10 offsides given in a game before.
I may not have been sure about what really did interest me, but I was absolutely sure about what didn't.
A few of them were
just bad calls IMO, especially the first couple. They were mostly from the same linesman, too. Others were warranted, but not by much. Sigi said others were just laziness and I believe it, though I didn’t notice that speficially.
Some were definitely laziness
I think Montero, Evans, and Zakuani were all guilty. A few looked like poor calls, especially one on Evans in 1st half that took away a great goal-scoring opportunity.
Breaking down the film will be fun this week
Expect a closer look at this exact question.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on May 8, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Apparently there are several teams capable of scoring 4 goals in one game.
LA, SJ, TFC. All this weekend.
We just aren’t one of them.
We keep on saying, one of these days, we’re going to destroy a team. But we’re still waiting. 1 1/3 seasons. Are we capable of such a feat?

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