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USA v Slovenia Team Cards, Preview and Open Thread

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For the last match I wished for the impossible, and only received the unlikely. Today one of these teams moves from hopeful to almost certainly through to the knockout stages. Sure the math says that a tie still gives the USA a shot, but Slovenia would be at 4 points and could play for the nil-nil. This would leave the United States counting on other teams, and essentially backing into the knockout rounds, and a likely match-up with Germany.

The USA with a win can make a push for winning the Group.

But I'm not going to be all emotional about this. I don't expect 10Million viewers on a Friday morning. I don't expect hype and pomp and anticipation. I do expect results. Our Americans need this win, badly.

I could break it down with key matchups and the like, but honestly there is someone who knows these two teams, and this game much better than I. So I will lean on Jonathon Wilson.

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Here's the Slovene team card. If the formation looks familiar, that's because it is. Just read what Wilson writes.

For the U.S., Friday's match will be like looking in a mirror -- at least from a tactical point of view. Slovenia, like the Americans, plays a basic 4-4-2, has a style based more in physique than technique, keeps its wide midfielders narrow and has a big man/quick man center-forward pairing. Both even have an attacking right back, and each would rank its goalkeeper among the best two or three players in the team.

When comparing two teams that are tactically similar, that both face large incentives to win (only way USA takes the Group, most likely way for Slovenia to qualify) comparing the two teams relative strengths is quite important. The USA is a +1.3 team ranked 14th, while Slovenia is +0.9 and ranked 25th. This would generally indicate a marginal win for the Americans. But let's not get carried away with the stats (USA has a better shot at winning but currently likely to finish 3rd in C). Slovenia is stronger along its backline. The Yanks have a better anchor at Keeper, even if injured a bit and taking pain shots.

It will have to be the American offense that takes over this game.

Dempsey, Donovan and one of the forwards will need to pick the ball up out of a crowded midfield and make magic. Ideally they could play like a Greece or Slovenia after picking up an early lead and play with six behind the ball. That's going to be an issue, and an ideal scenario for both sides. One early goal changes this dynamic into a game of punt and pray for the side that is down.

The probability is that the center will be crowded on Friday, with all eight midfielders and possibly Dedic battling in the same space. It's likely to be attritional and unpleasant, a battle of will as much as ability. There won't be any sweeping 20-pass flurries or brilliant slaloming dribbles; aesthetes should probably turn away. Art, though, comes in many guises, and just because it isn't beautiful doesn't mean it isn't soccer.

The question in this match, will truly be about desire, as the tactics and skill level are quite similar, at least according to Wilson.

One game changes everything.

Here is the SBNation preview of the days action.

Jeremiah and I will be at a soccer bar in the Fremont area for the match. Consider this your Gamethread.

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Your Americans HAD the win my man.

Unfortunately, they decided a ref from the poorest nation on Earth was needed for this match, and the big punters had long ago decided that they would bet the draw. I am willing to bet ( pun intended ) that the ref’s bank account just got huge. He had the whistle in his mouth before the kick was even taken, and the only people fouling were the defenders…

That’s the only reason I can see that 3rd goal being disallowed.

Horrible reffing this match. You have my sympathies USA fans.

by vancitydan on Jun 18, 2010 9:04 AM PDT reply actions  

This

a thousand times.

It didn’t matter what happened in the box, In the refs eyes the US screwed up some how. And Slovenia was all over us second half. What did they get 5 yellows there?

by Derek R on Jun 18, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am so fired up right now

This match was ridiculous. The disallowed goal was the icing on the cake for a game full of bad calls and non-calls. I don’t know how I’m going to settle down and sit through meetings all day.

by chrisperry1983 on Jun 18, 2010 9:31 AM PDT reply actions  

This is so how I'm feeling. I'm enraged.

I’m almost at the point of saying ‘F-this’ for the tournament.

In addition to this game the ref was horrendous in the Germany game earlier today. I’m so damn tired of the refs being so horrible. Takes the joy out of watching.

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jun 18, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

When I jumped in the car this morning

heading to my buddy’s house to watch the game and heard Serbia had won, I just about crashed. I’m so watching the replay tonight…

by chrisperry1983 on Jun 18, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Get ready for some MLS quality refereeing. Except for the fact that he shows about 10 bajillion cards. 1 for every foul. Great refs today!

by Perrinbar on Jun 18, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Today was the exception though

The refereeing has been exceptionally excellent from most of this World Cup. Honestly, I’ve never seen referring this consistently excellent, today excepting.

The football’s been shite, but the reffing’s been pretty good.

by Vasilii on Jun 18, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

us vs England and every other game I’ve watched had great refs.

by chrisperry1983 on Jun 18, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Holy crap what's with England playing this bad

This is some impressively bad play.

Missed the US :(

by Vasilii on Jun 18, 2010 12:24 PM PDT reply actions  

England and the dream team concept

Just like the Dream team concept in USA basketball, at some point the world catches up enough that just rolling out a team full of stars doesn’t work anymore. Each guy is great, but they don’t have any role players to support them.

They need either Gerrard or Lampard to sit down. They need a striker partner that will work to get Rooney the ball in spaces where he can be effective.

You can’t just run the ball to the corner and center it and expect Rooney to head the ball into the goal. That’s not how he scores with Man U. You need a midfield that is distributing the ball to Rooney’s feet while he is running at goal. Just look at how deep he was dropping tonight to get any service at his feet, because the entire midfield for England was a black hole of distribution where positive play is sucked off the pitch.

If they don’t find that playmaker in midfield, they will waste this entire generation’s talent wondering why they can’t win at the world cup.

by blakec on Jun 18, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Generally I agree

but Capello is starting some role players. Emile Heskey exemplifies the “role-player forward” at this point, doesn’t he? He’s like the rich-man’s Brian Ching. Garreth Barry isn’t a star midfielder, either — he’s supposed to win balls in the air, provide good defense, etc. No one would confuse him with Sneijder or Iniesta.

I hear what you’re saying about Rooney at Manchester Utd, but England just isn’t as talented as Man U. England doesn’t have a Nani or a Park Ji-Sung or even a Giggs to draw the defense’s attention and make room for Rooney. England is a lot easier to defend against than the Red Devils.

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by Nick on Jun 18, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

The dream team concept doesn't work as well for football as it does for American sports

Lack of draft and parity in the most important football competitions means the dreams teams are the ones with a shot at winning the Champions League, which year-in-year-out is Arsenal, Manchester United, Liverpool, Chelsea, Bayern Munchen, Inter Milan, Barcelona, Real Madrid and AC Milan (plus a bunch of outsiders).

They actually have a lot more flexibility in roster construction than the national teams, and are often significantly more “complete”. Just look at Argentina or the Netherlands, whose offense is surely “dream team”-esque, but whose defense is sorely lacking.

So the dream team is a great way to describe national teams from US leagues with parity/draft concepts, it’s not that relevant a concept for football. As Nick said, a lot of these players depend on having a very specific role to fulfill in their own team, and are oft pushed into different roles they do not fit when playing their national side.

by Vasilii on Jun 18, 2010 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

On a side note

My confidence is really shaken the way Algeria performed today, and how we played like sh— the first 45. I really, really, really hope we make it out of our group. I know a lot of people said our group was a slam dunk, but I was never really convinced.

by chrisperry1983 on Jun 18, 2010 5:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Algeria's first half was solid

They threatened the goal, and dominated possession. They just couldn’t convert.

The Green-Green-Green unis looked very familiar in that role.

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by Dave Clark on Jun 18, 2010 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

With no offense intended

Group C has been arguably the least impressive in a really poor World Cup. If you can’t get out of that group, it’ll say a lot about your side.

by Vasilii on Jun 18, 2010 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

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