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MLS Academies: A Step in the Right Direction

All of these guys came through professional academies.

Recently, ESPN did a nice story on the burgeoning MLS academies and what it means for the future of MLS and US Soccer. The article is worth a full read, but there are some points I want to highlight:

 

  • First, this is the way forward, not fantasizing about "best athletes".
    Take a look at the biography of almost every top player and it's the same. Talent is recognized early and trained by full-time professionals, employed by teams who have strong incentives to find and nurture the very best talent they can find, either to add to their first team or to sell on for cash for the organization. The fact that MLS has fully committed to following a similar path is a hugely positive step for US Soccer.
  • That's not to say there isn't room for improvement.
    As it stands, huge swaths of the country are left out of the "catchment" areas that each club retains in a 75-mile radius around its stadium. In fact 32 out of the 52 metro areas with a million or more people fall outside the reach of an MLS club. This is important because each club can retain only two players per youth team from outside that area, and that potentially leaves a lot of players out in the cold.

    At the same time, there's a lot of double coverage. Obviously, because they share the Home Depot Center, the Galaxy and Chivas USA also share the exact same catchment area, and therefore might come into conflict about who gets to sign some youngster or other. Similarly, The Philadelphia Union is situated almost exactly between the Red Bulls and DC United, with significant overlaps with both. All the better in my opinion, because an arms race in the development of serious youth programs is  one of the best things that could possibly happen for US Soccer. Actually, it's the second best thing. The best thing would be to open the whole country to a free-for-all for all clubs, but socialist tendencies die hard.
  • Actually, there's something even better than that.
    The best thing would be if that free-for-all to produces teams all the way down to age 8. No, I'm not kidding. Lionel Messi was already playing for Newell's Old Boys, a first division club in Rosario, at that age, and most teams around the world have teams starting around then. Here's Inter's youngest team. Those kids were receiving training before they even turned 9 from the club that won the Champions League this year. Will all of them make it to be pros? Of course not, but the ones who make it all the way through the 10 youth teams have a real shot at becoming top level players, having had 10 years of professional coaching.
  • What about the Sounders?
    Joe Roth has said that one of the milestones of success for the Sounders, alongside the standard trophies, will come when an academy product steps out on the field to play with the senior team. Personally, I hope that he remains aggressive about this and pushes the organization to follow up with that goal. I hope that we're very aggressive with our two spots per team that we can fill with players outside our catchment area. A steady pipeline of young, skilled players who will play some of their best years here before moving on for big transfer fees would help make us an extremely strong club consistently, year after year.

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How do the academies work financially?

Are they funded by teams and select from the best trialists? Or does a kid have to pay to be in it and whoever has money gets in?

by chrisperry1983 on Jun 2, 2010 1:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Team funded

The link mentions how many teams charge (very few) and even then there are scholarships available.

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by Dave Clark on Jun 2, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

What funds AAU in basketball?

Is it local sponsors? Does Nike and Addidas drop millions on it?

by blakec on Jun 2, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

AAU is awash in

shoe company money. I also think some bball players fund certain teams personally which is where you get squads called the “X All-Stars” or something, though I could be wrong about that. Overall, it’s pretty murky and there’s a lot of dodgy $ floating around. Not the way you really want to run a good academy system. Although, soccer doesn’t yet have the issue of some of the kids becoming instant multi-millionaires and having huge entourages and ‘advisors’ based on that chance.

by Nevtelen on Jun 2, 2010 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder

Is minor league baseball more the model we should strive for as a farm system for MLS? Seems like between the PDL and USL, there are a ton of lower league teams where talent could be farmed out to for expert coaching.

by blakec on Jun 3, 2010 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cosidering that there are already some Sounders trialists

playing for Kitsap (Tye Perdido, IIRC, as well as our 4th rd pick this past season and Carillo) that seems like it wouldn’t be a bad idea. The infrastructure is already mostly there. It would give players time to develop and lots of competitive games to do it in. I kind of like that idea, actually. Especially if the reserve league gets going again – reserve team games vs lower division teams would give guys a chance to prove they can perform favorably vs MLS reserves.

by Nevtelen on Jun 3, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think the concern right now is

That the current lower divisions are pretty volatile, aside from a handful of teams. MLS, I think, is sketched out about the prospect of making agreements with teams that could be gone before the season is even over — St. Louis being a prime example.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jun 3, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

True

But A league ball is pretty volatile as well.

by blakec on Jun 3, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not really

Seriously, check the last time a team actually folded. It almost ever happens anymore. They move and are sold, sure, but almost never disappear.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jun 3, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

My point being

The degree of volatility between moving and disappearing is pretty significant.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jun 3, 2010 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is a tough subject for me, as I never followed the A-League

So, my question is does it really matter? What I mean is that when teams are bought and moved to another city, has the overall situation of the team really improved? Not for the fans of the previous city.

I am guessing that the sale prices are not that much either. So, the previous owner is happy to just get something, anything from his investment.

The new owner likes this, as having an already made team makes it easier for the new owner. But, he could have started an expansion team if he really wanted a team and there was none available or a team folded instead.

So, while it sounds like the this is less volatile, I don’t think it is. All this does is make it easier on the new owner who doesn’t have to go out and scout and sign players and it also put a little money in the previous owners wallet.

by Coug1990 on Jun 3, 2010 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

For the players and the teams that control their rights

NONE of that matters

They still have a place to play.

This is not true for US Soccer. There have been years with as few as 87 teams and years with as many as 112.

The “pro” levels are relatively stable now in the mid-30s, but have been as high as 65.

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by Dave Clark on Jun 3, 2010 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

But, is that a function of being able to buy and sell teams?

Or is it a function of current demand being stable? As I wrote, I didn’t follow the A-League and don’t follow them now. You both know the history of the situation better than I.

by Coug1990 on Jun 3, 2010 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Probably a function of baseball being much more popular than soccer

And with teams worth billions willing to subsidize the minors.

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by Dave Clark on Jun 3, 2010 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess that makes sense. Each MLB team pays for their minor league salaries.

If they didn’t, minor league teams would have the same volatile outcomes as non MLS level teams.

Although, minor league teams are feeder teams. Almost all MLB players played in the minors, so if you are a fan of a minor league team, you will be able to follow players up to the majors.

I am curious, how many A-League level players make it to top leagues around the world? Last year there were several A-League Sounders (plus Alonso) that made the MLS Sounders. I would guess that Vancouver and Portland will also have players make it to the MLS. Thanks

by Coug1990 on Jun 3, 2010 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

As far as volatility

MLS, I’m sure, doesn’t really care about how much fans of minor league teams would be hurt by moving teams. Just like MLB owners don’t really care when minor league teams move. The point is that there’s always a place to put their minor leaguers, a place that won’t just disappear in the middle of the season and won’t leave them looking for places to live when their paychecks stop showing up.

If the discussion is about why a true minor league system won’t work in soccer, that’s the main reason, imo. As it is, MLB front offices dictate the way players are used in the minors. It’s hard to imagine MLS being able to have teh same kind of control over lower level soccer teams since they are pretty much used to being independent organizations.

Anyway, the point is the systems aren’t necessarily transferable. I think you’d have to have a pretty radical change in the way A-league teams run themselves for MLS to be able to really work with them.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jun 3, 2010 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

That is a different subject but an interesting one

MLB has long had a symbiotic relationship with the minor leagues, so the system is ingrained in the fabric of baseball. It is the same with promotion and relegation in other football leagues. It has been that way for so long, it is ingrained in the fabric of football in other countries.

Each soccer team in the US is it’s own business. Those on the highest level would never agree to promotion and relegation unless it makes them more money. I do not see how that makes them all more money.

Regarding the A-League being a minor league with MLS teams being able to send down players like MLB does, that would be an interesting concept. The NBA in the 90’s came to an agreement with the D-League (a separate league similar to the A-League) that the NBA can send down players to get them experience.

But, anything that is ever accomplished is because all sides want something to be done. Not sure if MLS and the A-League want something accomplished at this time.

by Coug1990 on Jun 4, 2010 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're right

Although, I was under the impression the NBA-D was owned by the NBA, which would make it more like what MLS seems more likely to do. You’re definitely right about the cultural aspects. Changes like this only occur when all sides want the change.

I’m willing to bet that a Reserve League would involve a combination of MLS teams buying all or part of A-league sides and forming new teams from scratch. Whatever happens, MLS teams will want control over who the coaches are and how their players are being used. Otherwise, it’s not that different than what goes on now, other than the formality of it all.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jun 4, 2010 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe we should set up a minor leagues thread

Like we did for the promotion/relegation idea. See if we could fake up some rules for how a minor league for MLS would be structured.

by blakec on Jun 4, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Can you wait a week

I’m going to do a post next week on what it means to be a “pro”

It may just lead into what you want anyway…

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by Dave Clark on Jun 4, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yea look at down in Portland they are close to losing their AAA team again for the 3rd time i believe.

by gstommylee on Jun 3, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

But the organization still exists

In American soccer that isn’t true.

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by Dave Clark on Jun 3, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Academies are a great idea

There are, of course, issues about how young kids should start (and those should probably be rehashed if/when it becomes an issue), but getting quality training from professional coaches is huge. Just look at basketball, my other favorite sport, and the absolute mess that AAU ball is, where kids just learn to showboat and not play D the majority of the time, vs our real ‘academy system’, NCAA basketball. The skills a player learns in college are extremely valuable in molding future pros. Most pundits would probably agree that US players could be even better if they had more training in fundamentals earlier like several countries do in HS basketball academies (like Australia and (at least formerly) Canada). It’s pretty hard to change the corrupt structure of AAU now, though. It’d be great for soccer, which doesn’t have nearly as much of an established system in place, to be able to do it the right way from the beginning.

by Nevtelen on Jun 2, 2010 1:20 PM PDT reply actions  

More attempts to gloss over the problems

The best way to draw youth into the game is promotion and relegation….. As investment flows to unrestricted lower div clubs, they’re going to have to find domestic players to fill their squads. MLS window treatments don’t come close.

Another example of the needs of MLS owners contradicting the needs of the game. How many do you need?

by soccerreform on Jun 2, 2010 2:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Promotion and relegation will never work in the US.

Do you think Seattle will keep the 36k in attention if they were relegated to Division 2 no way.

by gstommylee on Jun 2, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think the problem with MLS

Is that it can’t find a way for the unrestricted investment dollars to come into the league. Can we simply say, see all other threads about soccer in the USA for the reasons why promotion/relegation isn’t the golden ticket for us.

by blakec on Jun 2, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not to mention that relegation can financially ruin teams

The Premier League has the dough for parachute payments, MLS does not.

by chrisperry1983 on Jun 2, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

To a man with only a hammer

Every problem looks like a nail.

Soccerreform, if you’re the guy who runs soccerreform.us, then there’s a lot that I agree with you about. I agree that, generally speaking, the open promotion/relegation model creates a wider, deeper pool of clubs. Individual teams may implode, but when anyone can start a team, there are always more teams to take those spots.

However, promotion and relegation are off topic for this post, because if we had promotion and relegation but not professional academies, we’d still be in the same place as before in terms of player development. And vastly improved player development is what the academies are promising, and that’s what they’re starting to deliver. You’re free to express your opinion, of course, but don’t be such a one issue person that you can’t see anything else.

by CarlosT on Jun 2, 2010 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Sounders Academies?

The article mentioned 4 teams (including 3 expansion teams – guessing Union, Sounders, Earthquakes) do not have an academy yet. Does anyone know about the status of the Sounders development plan and what currently exists?

The Timbers almost had their U-23 team qualify for the USOC through the PDL. If they have a pipeline in place, the Sounders have some catching up to do.

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by ColinMacLeod on Jun 3, 2010 4:08 PM PDT reply actions  

The Sounders just started theirs this year.

by gstommylee on Jun 3, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Academy teams will be limited to U-18 squads

the PDL players at this time are not locked into a future with Portland, Vancouver, Chicago, BUT there is also a quite likely solution to the Reserve League issue where Pro-PDL and/or USL1/2 teams compete against MLS Reserve sides.

I once wrote about this. Link.

Or as mentioned just this week by an MLS exec

"Whether it comes back in its same form I don’t know. But this is an extremely important area of our business we need to address whether it’s a reserve league in the way it was historically I don’t know,’’ Durbin said. "But we need to make sure we allow players at their most formative ages, 17, 18, to have games.

"Anything from reserve divisions to affiliations with lower division clubs is possible. There’s a couple models we’re looking at. One is if we can form a relationship with the second division. That can be teams forming one-on-one relationships, you can send players down and bring them back up for games, (like) affiliates.

"You could have a situations where we aggregate four, five or six MLS teams where they support one or two second-division teams. You could say Philly, DC, New England and Toronto could give to a team four players.

"(And) the most traditional one is one where you have expanded rosters after the first team. And you could even have a hybrid of that where they play games regionally. Why are you having Seattle travel to New England when they could get games regionally?’’

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by Dave Clark on Jun 3, 2010 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

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