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I'll be rooting for Mexico

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Hi, I'm an American supporter who will now be rooting for Mexico.

I know that will sound odd to some of you, and that still confuses me.

Granted, Mexico is our biggest rival. In the world of American sports, we don't normally root for the teams we call rivals, no matter the circumstance.

Maybe this is where I differ from some of you, but I see national-team sports as an entirely different animal than other kinds of competition.

From my vantage point, as long as Mexico isn't playing the U.S., they are the side that most deserves our support.

For purely footballing reasons, the U.S. has more to gain from a deep run by El Tri than from any other nation. Mexico is now the sole surviving CONCACAF side and while advancing two of our three World Cup entries into the Round of 16 was a decent accomplishment, failing to get any teams beyond that point would hardly bolster our case for more than our current 3.5 berths.

Really, though, this is not a football issue for me. If I'm being entirely honest, a significant amount of my decision-making process on whom to root for during the World Cup is based on personal feelings about the country and its people.

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In Mexico's case, I've always felt a strong kinship with its people. I grew up in a heavily Hispanic part of California and was exposed to Mexican culture almost my entire life. As a result, I ended up with many Mexican friends, teachers and co-workers. Eventually, I ended up marrying a woman of Mexican heritage.

I often hear U.S. supporters claim that Mexican fans hate us, so we should hate them right back. This may be true, but only to an extent. Sure, whenever the two sides play the vitriol is significant. When the U.S. visits Estadio Azteca, it is considered to be one of the most harrowing experiences for the boys in red, white and blue. Even when Mexico plays here, their fans turn out in significant numbers and can make a "home" game feel anything but hospitable.

I have seen precious little proof of this "hatred" when the two sides aren't directly pitted against one another. I literally do not personally know a Mexican-American who openly roots against the U.S. Most of them, in fact, root nearly as hard or even harder for the Yanks than they do for El Tri. On Spanish language television -- admittedly often filmed in U.S. studios -- commentators had apparently taken to referring to us by the nickname "El Pais de Todo" (the country of all). Their football federation recently threw its support behind the U.S. bid for the World Cup. Even if you believe that's for purely selfish reasons, it seems anything but indicative of "hatred." 

Even for people without personal ties to Mexico, rooting against our southern neighbors seems unnecessarily spiteful. Taking joy in their failure just strikes me as being uncomfortably similar to an older brother delighting in his sibling's struggles. I would like to think that we are comfortable enough with our own status that we don't need to prop ourself up that way.

Believe it or not, I actually took the time to rank all 16 sides that made it through to the knockout stage (chart on the left). Quite simply, in any given game I'll be rooting for whichever team sits closest to the top. With the U.S. already eliminated, I found this to be a useful exercise that helps me sort out my emotional investment in each contest.

My formula, if you can call it that, is a mixture of personal feelings about the country and how much I've liked watching the team play. As an USA supporter, I was obviously going to root for them above all others. I've already explained my reasons for supporting Mexico. Spain comes in at No. 3 for me mainly because that is the country I've most enjoyed when visiting there. The fact that they play an attractive brand of football makes supporting them even easier.

The next three countries are all Spanish-speaking South American sides. I put Uruguay up top because I've enjoyed watching Diego Forlan and Luis Suarez, and find it amazing that a country of less than 3.5 million people has managed to produce two world-class strikers (If we were to produce on that kind of level, we'd have about 100 such players). Paraguay may seem like an odd exception to this group, but I just dldn't find myself enjoying their play as much as the other three.

The Netherlands comes in after that group largely as a result of their style of play. I have Ghana ranked relatively high mainly because I like the idea of an African nation making a deep run, but the reality is that I might not get a chance to root for them.

I'm not sure that I can articulate my relatively high level of support for Japan, other than I've been impressed with their group-stage play and my mom grew up there. Similarly, I don't think I can explain my relative disinterest in Slovakia other than I just found the countries above them more intriguing.

That I have Brazil and Germany ranked so low may seem odd -- especially since I like the way both teams play -- but I'm also a sucker for fresh faces and the reality is that seeing either of those teams play for a title would just feel too familiar.

I'd love to hear how others choose their support beyond their primary country.

Consider this your Argentina v Mexico GameThread

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Netherlands first

Then whatever country plays good, interesting football.

It’s hard not to love Germany with their light-hearted 4-3-3 modern total football. On the other hand, I have a hard time caring for the badly miscoached and sometimes ugly Argentina. Brazil is awesome, but we’ll be up against them next if Chili doesn’t stop them. Spain plays beautiful football too. I really like Japan’s defensive style, it’s extremely well-structured and disciplined, really good football.

And that’s how it usually goes. I tried but I can’t bring myself to care what continent a side is from, I’ve never thought of the World Cup that way and don’t think I ever will.

So usually, it just goes Netherlands → countries with Dutch coaches (usually plenty of those, this time only Australia) → countries with players I really like (usually from my own side, but whatever) mixed with national sides tat play attractive football → ugly teams → road kill → Portugal

I really hate Portugal.

PS: I’d have figured Mexico is the big brother in that equation. Oh well.

by Vasilii on Jun 27, 2010 10:59 AM PDT reply actions  

USA v Mexico is basically even since the Gold Cup era started

They have one more championship in that time and a greater goal differential, but USA has more wins.

They have slightly outperformed the USA in recent World Cups, except for the time they met in the Rd of 16.

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by Dave Clark on Jun 27, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

the big brother thing

is more about economics and politics than football. I have trouble entirely separating the two, which was kind of my point.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jun 27, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mexico has looked great so far

Sometimes I forget how fun they can be to watch.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jun 27, 2010 11:39 AM PDT reply actions  

This is looking like it should be a 5 goal game

I don’t know how they will be distributed, but the rapid attacks and poor defense lead me to think that we’ll see another five goal game today.

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by Dave Clark on Jun 27, 2010 11:45 AM PDT reply actions  

Another blown call

Clearly so

Tevez shouldn’t have touched that at all, and the AR gifted Argentina a goal

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by Dave Clark on Jun 27, 2010 11:56 AM PDT reply actions  

Tevez was off by about 3 feet

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by Dave Clark on Jun 27, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

He was offside by about 6 feet

Behind not only the second to the last, but the keeper.

by Brian Floyd on Jun 27, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

worst missed offside of tourney

and it’s not even close. embarrassing.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jun 27, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

That was terrible

And the weird thing is, that probably goes in without him touching it.

by Brian Floyd on Jun 27, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is perhaps a credit to the officiating so far that this is the worst missed offside of the tournament

Because honestly, it’s a quick-moving and pretty chaotic situation where the line ref can’t be in line with the last line of the defense.

What’s interesting is that apparently the in-stadium crew decided to replay the goal and the offside situation on the video screens, and that led to all the protests by the Mexican players. They’re not supposed to replay controversial situations like that in the stadium to avoid riling up the supporters, but apparently also to avoid riling up the players.

by Sander on Jun 27, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Soley from the games I've watched

There have been 2 US goals, 1 Mexico goal, and 1 England goal that should have gone in on top of the 1 goal for Argentina that should not have gone in.

I wont blame the refs because I’m sure its hard to keep track of everything thats going on. But for FIFA to sit there and say that no changes need to be made to the way refereeing works is the most ignorant thing I have heard lately. If they don’t make any changes after this world cup I’ll really lose faith in them.

by Derek R on Jun 27, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

They won't want to

But the question is how long they can afford not to.

by Vasilii on Jun 27, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Only now?

This has been an ongoing theme for the past 10 years or so, and every time some controversial decision decides an important match it rises to the surface again. Without fail, every World Cup, every European cup and every Champions League season has some sort of controversial but critical referee decision, and every time the issue of video footage is brought up. And every single time, Blatter says “Bah, technology is useless”.

by Sander on Jun 27, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Imagine if he didn't

That would mean the refs would have missed the infamous Zidane headbutt, because the head ref himself never saw it.

It’s just such a mess, and I can’t see them keeping this up much longer – but then again, I would’ve said the same thing in 2004.

by Sander on Jun 27, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Officiating has dropped off since the group matches tho

I think the refs have been given some bad instructions. Quality of officiating overall dropped steeply.

by Vasilii on Jun 27, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes. Slightly odd, that

Perhaps the spike in good refereeing before the third round of group matches was just a coincidence, but it does seem to have gotten structurally worse.

by Sander on Jun 27, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I noticed that

I don’t blame them for being pissed, but they aren’t doing their country any good with the fouling.

by Derek R on Jun 27, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nothing says appropriate play

like a loan man making a run against 7 on the opposition.

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by Dave Clark on Jun 27, 2010 12:05 PM PDT reply actions  

This match is a joke

Terrible football at a painfully slow pace. Too many of Mexico’s players look dispirited, if that doesn’t change when the come back out this one is over.

And I’m sorry, I’m sure Argentina is going to get a lot of praise, but I’m having a hard time taking them seriously. They look undisciplined and barely organized, and sluggish like all hell. Both on and off the ball there is no discernible organization, which means the defense is leaving huge gaping holes all over the place, while the offense is completely dependant on individual actions. It’s like players just have to figure out amongst themselves how to set up each attack.

It’s little wonder they had to be gifted two goals. I guess they have the individual quality to pull off this kind of stuff, but without those gifts Mexico would be giving them a run for their money. How can I take them seriously as a Cup contender? Dangerous players, but the coaching sure is doing a great job of makin’ ’em play bad.

by Vasilii on Jun 27, 2010 12:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Argentina hasn't been that lavished with praise, have they?

And the Argentina we’re seeing here is the same Argentina we’ve seen throughout the tournament. The team revolves around Messi and his ability to hold onto the ball in impossible situations, and it’s certainly working so far. But as we saw against England, Germany should be the perfect side to expose the tactical deficiencies of Argentina.

by Sander on Jun 27, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

They're one of the favorites to win it all

Overall bookies odds (a more sound measurement than sites with unreliable statistics ;) ) has the favourites, in order, as Brazil, Spain, Argentina, the Netherlands, Germany, Uruguay, Portugal. I don’t see this Argentina go up against any of those other teams and win except with a good dose of luck.

Germany must be licking its chops. Much like they did observing the weak Group C. Lucky bastards, only Uruguay’s luckier.

by Vasilii on Jun 27, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK that was impressive

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jun 27, 2010 12:40 PM PDT reply actions  

And a shame

Argentina really doesn’t deserve to be up by 3-0 looking at the quality of their play vs Mexico’s play.

by Sander on Jun 27, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mexico's quality has been pathetic

Constant miscues in the backline, and they are leading to goals.

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by Dave Clark on Jun 27, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it is Mexico's fault

but honestly, the first goal stole Mexico’s spirit enough for them to screw up in the back line which took them out of the game all together. I’d bet we would have had a lot more enjoyable game had that first goal not been allowed in

by Derek R on Jun 27, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure, but Argentina has been pretty pathetic too

They’ve scored from an offside position, a ridiculously stupid mistake by a defender and a brilliant strike by Tevez that wasn’t really a created chance. And I can’t recall any other good Argentina chances.

by Sander on Jun 27, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tevez prevented a goal

That offside play should have been a goal, but Tevez inserted himself needlessly.

It would have been a goal without him. And was created by pure play.

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by Dave Clark on Jun 27, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd have to look at it again

But it looked like a defender could have gotten there in time

by Derek R on Jun 27, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know if it would've been a goal given the two defenders that stormed in

But that’s not the point. If you count that as a created chance, then that’s 1 chance they created over 70 minutes of play – that’s hardly worthy of a dominating 3-0 scoreline. Especially when you consider that Mexico has been plenty threatening too.

by Sander on Jun 27, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

At least it was Tevez

I’ve always had a soft spot for that little troll

by Vasilii on Jun 27, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I want to see Blanco!

At this point let us see the old man one more time.

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by Dave Clark on Jun 27, 2010 12:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Blanco can be great

But one of the stupidest mistakes Mexico has made this world cup was starting Blanco for the first 60+ minutes of the Uraguay game. He’s far too old for that.

by Derek R on Jun 27, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

true

But seeing him tonight would be good

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by Dave Clark on Jun 27, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

So one solid goal for either side at this point

But man, when the ref started blowing that whistle I thought he was going to take the goal back

by Derek R on Jun 27, 2010 1:00 PM PDT reply actions  

My first thought as well

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by Dave Clark on Jun 27, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Now that was a beauty

Hopefully Mexico can stage something approaching a comeback.

by Sander on Jun 27, 2010 1:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Or that Donovan guy

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by Dave Clark on Jun 27, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting perspective, Jeremiah

I take a different angle on it, though.

I have a pretty good history with people of Mexican heritage, a strong interest in their culture, and my first serious girlfriend was Mexican-American. We may not be coming from the exact same starting point, but they’re in the same neighborhood.

Things must be different on out west when it comes to the relationship between Mexican soccer fans and US soccer fans. Out here, it’s a flat-out ugly relationship. Fans of El Tri out here are openly hostile to any US success, dismiss any US win over Mexico as wholly reliant on luck, and generally treat the idea that the US is good at soccer as an example of the worst things in the world.

Between my own experiences as an American soccer fan and those of my friends, there’s just been too much verbal abuse hurled our way, too many beers thrown on us, and too many unprovoked physical threats or actions (still have a faint scar on my ankle from a studs-up tackle in the first minute of a game against a team of Mexicans) made to have any sympathy for Mexico’s fans. At least with the Mexico fans that live on the east coast, things are very, very antagonistic.

As a result, I thoroughly enjoyed watching Mexico implode after one bad call and get played off the field by Argentina. I have no desire for CONCACAF to gain more WC places, because frankly our region doesn’t deserve them. Really, I’m glad we get enough teams through the group stage to maintain our 3.5. I worry sometimes that we could easily lose that .5, since even our third-best teams end up being sides like Honduras (who did not enrich the tournament at all, save for helping eliminate the always-negative Swiss).

by ChestRockwell on Jun 27, 2010 1:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Post tourney I'm going to look at WC slot distribution

because CONCACAF did better than anyone but CONMEBOL

so why are those two competing in a playoff for the 8th spot?

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by Dave Clark on Jun 27, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Chest Rockwell's argument is solid

If the 3rd team you’re sending is Honduras, I don’t even want to know what the 4th team would look like.

Drastic reshuffles based on one World Cup seems like it’d be jumping the gun, but if anything, what’s needed is for UEFA to figure out why it sent France and Italy in the first place.

Well…France got in over Ireland thanks to the Terry Henry hand ball, so they shouldn’t have been there in the first place. World Cup would’ve been better for it if they hadn’t.

by Vasilii on Jun 28, 2010 4:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Drastic?

Losing a slot or two wouldn’t be drastic. It would be just and fair.

Just as happens in the UEFA CL

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by Dave Clark on Jun 28, 2010 6:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have no idea how it is Back East

Maybe it’s that Hispanic culture is so inseparably woven into places I’ve grown up, but I’ve found the relationship very positive. Not dismissing your experiences, just think we’ve come from very different places. Obviously, I’m not saying all Americans should root for Mexico, I just find the assumption that we should all hate them to be totally ridiculous.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jun 27, 2010 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting post

and I need something to take my mind off the pain that is the Sounders.

I usually base my rooting interests on my connection to people from that country, pretty similarly to you, and then just whoever catches my fancy with quality play or a good story. I have a connection to several countries still in it and will cheer for them, but my wife has a friend from Uruguay and they are also so fun to watch and a good story, so I’m really hoping they make a deep run.

I also tend to cheer on CONCACAF sides and was definitely cheering on El Tri today, which made for a frustrating match. Oh well.

by Nevtelen on Jun 27, 2010 8:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Man, my rooting interests seem to be curses

Only Netherlands has come through. Viva Espana!

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jun 29, 2010 9:43 AM PDT reply actions  

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