Sounders Road To KnockOut Rounds of CCL Tough As They Get
You may have seen the FanShot earlier today about the Strength of Schedule for the remainder of the MLS season. It likely made you feel pretty good. To save you time, if you don't remember, the Sounders had the second easiest set of remaining matches, by the measure there. Hooray for the regular season and small hopes.
I'm here now to tell you about the CCL a little bit. And even smaller hopes. We're only in the third year of the format change to a Champions League rather than just Cup Winners. Since the change MLS teams have struggled, and struggled mightily. Mexico has clearly dominated the new format, and all of their sides make the knock out rounds.
The good news is that another team will always make the knockout from every Group. More good news? MLS has five teams in the tournament this time around. More good news? Nope. That's it for Sounders fans, ok, not really. There is a single bright spot left and we'll get to it in a moment.
Let's lay some ground work.
Are you familiar with the UEFA Coefficients? No, then read up. If yes, you can move to the next paragraph.
Wouldn't it be great if someone out there did that for CONCACAF even though they don't do it themselves? It would, and someone does. Here are the current national and team coefficients for our region.
From that though we can get a rough estimate of the strength of schedule for the Preliminary Round and rougher still for the Group Stage.
| Group | Team | Coefficient | % above avg | SOS |
| A | Real Salt Lake | 0.000 | 0% | 5.046 |
| Arabe Unido | 13.125 | 67% | 4.380 | |
| p | San Francisco | 8.125 | 41% | 5.046 |
| p | Cruz Azul | 73.250 | 372% | 1.739 |
| p | Toronto FC | 7.750 | 39% | 5.046 |
| p | Motagua | 12.979 | 66% | 4.781 |
| B | Columbus Crew | 21.469 | 109% | 3.887 |
| Muicipal | 13.521 | 69% | 4.290 | |
| p | San Juan Jabloteh | 9.750 | 50% | 4.977 |
| p | Santos Laguna | 51.250 | 260% | 2.869 |
| p | Brujas | 0.000 | 0% | 4.977 |
| p | Joe Public | 11.750 | 60% | 4.380 |
| C | Monterrey | 40.250 | 204% | 3.303 |
| Saprissa | 29.667 | 151% | 3.840 | |
| p | Seattle Sounders | 0.000 | 0% | 5.347 |
| p | Metapan | 4.380 | 22% | 5.125 |
| p | Tauro | 12.125 | 62% | 5.347 |
| p | Marathon | 30.979 | 157% | 4.389 |
| D | Toluca | 60.250 | 306% | 2.717 |
| Olimpia | 17.979 | 91% | 4.864 | |
| p | Los Angeles Galaxy | 15.469 | 79% | 5.777 |
| p | Puerto Rico Islanders | 28.000 | 142% | 5.141 |
| p | FAS | 2.938 | 15% | 5.777 |
| p | Xelaju | 7.521 | 38% | 5.545 |
The little 'p' represents the Prelims. Team p1 faces p2, p3 faces p4. Let's remember that in the Prelims it is a two leg aggregate goals scored situation. In essence the match is 180 minutes. Generally the "better team" wins the Prelims. For the purposes of this presentation I worked under the assumption that the team with the larger coefficient won the Prelims. For teams in the Prelims I counted both their Prelim opponent and their likely Group Stage opponents. The higher the SOS the more difficult the set of matches. This is quick and dirty. There is probably a better system. When I find it I will switch to it.
Here's one of those bright spots for the Sounders. They are facing one of the weaker teams in the Prelims. Let's get back to the grey clouds, not just because I'm from the Greater Puget Sound, but because I like reality. Seattle is in the only Group with 3 teams that are above average in this tournament.
Toronto FC and Real Salt Lake have it much better. One of them stands a decent chance of making it out of the Group Stage, as their Group is pretty weak. The Los Angeles Galaxy despite being the rockstar club of MLS probably won't make it. They have the toughest route of any team, not just MLS teams, any team tied with FAS. In fact Group D is down right tough, but probably not the Group of Death, as the winner of D is almost certainly going to be Toluca. There's really just a battle for second there.
Group C on the other hand is probably the Group of Death. Any of three teams could win it - Monterrey, Saprissa and Marathon. Yes, that's the weakest of the Mexican teams (they are in bold), but it is the strongest team from Costa Rica and from Honduras. In fact Seattle has the 4th toughest strength of schedule (albeit by my rough method), one though could say that due to the competitive nature of the Group, Seattle may just have a chance at winning it as there are likely going to be many more draws in this Group.
Before we get too worried about the Group Stage though we have a two leg series against Metapan, a team so good it won its national league while finishing fourth. They have Playoffs in El Salvador, a nation whose primary sport is soccer.
Max Bretos, formerly of FSC now of ESPN, said that he liked the teams from MLS in this CCL and figures this is the year of a run. I don't know that I'd go that far, but I definitely like the Crew to make it out of the Group Stage, I'll bet that one of RSL and TFC do, and if LA beats the Islanders they probably will. But I don't think that two or three representitives in the Group Stage is a run. Montreal Puerto Rico made the Semis, and until MLS does that in the current version of the CCL I will not be close to satisfied.
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Not that big a fan of using coefficients to predict anything
If you need any indicator of why, please note where DC United sits on that list despite being mauled in 2008’s CCL and the fact that finishing a close 3rd to Marathon in last year’s group stage was an example of us overachieving.
Seattle’s path to the 2nd round is going to be very difficult. Monterrey got Humberto Suazo back from La Liga (starter for Chile, left Mexican league after being the top scorer), and they also picked up Ricardo Osorio (first choice right back for Mexico). Los Rayados are almost certain to win the group.
After that, I’d say your next worry should be Marathon (assuming they get past Tauro in the preliminary round). They were in DC’s group in each of the last two years, and they take this tournament very seriously. They have lots of starters that are regulars in the Honduran national team, and they will play their best available team every time (unlike Mexican clubs that rest players because they can, or MLS clubs resting starters to save them for league matches). Marathon plays fast, direct soccer and has lots of speedy players. They also bring a lot of aggression, so don’t be shocked if these games get chippy.
Saprissa carries a big reputation, but they might actually be your easiest game (after Metapan, who won’t be a cakewalk but should be a team the Sounders get past). They do have some good players, like Walter Centeno, Jairo Arrieta, and Keylor Navas, but this is not the Saprissa that was the only real threat to Mexican dominance in the mid-00s. They’re very weak in terms of defensive positioning, and they rely on MLS rejects like Douglas Sequeira (a disaster for both RSL and Chivas USA) and Gabriel Badilla. It doesn’t look like they’ve seriously overhauled last year’s weak team, other than adding national team wingback Esteban Sirias, so that’s where you should look for your points. You’ll have the advantage of being the only team used to playing on turf regularly, so going to Estadio Saprissa won’t be as unsettling as it is to everyone else.
All in all, I’d say I expect Seattle to finish 3rd behind Monterrey (who will run away with the group) and Marathon. I think Dave’s pessimism is justified if we’re talking about advancement, but I don’t think you’re going to be embarrassed like we were in 2008. Actually, I think RSL and LA both got tougher draws than Seattle, something I’m going to detail in a post at B&RU. In any case, I think your situation is difficult but not totally hopeless. If your front office’s claims of being very serious about this tournament prove to be legit and not just talk, then you definitely have a chance (as long as you do no worse than split the series against Marathon).
Small correction
Great write up, as usual. One small correction, the Islanders made the semis, Montreal only made the quarters. They were really really close to the semis but managed to give up a few late goals to crash out.
Coefficients
I dislike using coefficients because RSL, SSFC, and Brujas are all carrying a coefficient of 0.000. Basically, every other team in the group gets a free game from them. Do like the coefficients as a way of showing which teams have been here before and are used to the travel.
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lets just get past Metapan
we may have a pretty effective side worked out by the time the group stage rolls around… anything can happen…
...that's MISTER Keller to you!!!
by malcontentjake on Jul 26, 2010 11:31 PM PDT reply actions
Perhaps as useful as coefficients...
would be payroll figures. What’s the total team payroll for Metapan or Marathon?

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