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Sounders Dominate, but Edge Metapan in 1st Leg of CCL

The Sounders were clearly dominant from the earliest moments of the match. Except for the odd Vagenas Yellow Card for taking a kick early, the first 15 minutes were all about Sounders' success. They then built on that as they got stronger with the Osvaldo Alonso appearance.

This was one of those matches like we saw early in the year, where the Seattle side was clearly better. The difference is that the fluke goal went in their favor. The 1-nil win isn't as good as it should have been, but it puts them in the driver seat.

It means that as long as Seattle has the edge heading towards the second leg. Any result down in El Salvador with Metapan +1 Goal (except a 1-nil) means that Seattle advances to the Group stage. If the aggregate is tied at 1-1 after regulation in the next match we will see extra time, and then a Penalty Shootout.

There is no way to pick apart this game. Every Seattle player was better than their opposite today, except maybe Keller who was threatened once. Metapan tried to out physical an MLS team, and that is a large part of why they lost. Seattle is used to getting knocked about, but normally it is by a team that is stronger and larger than they are. The side in Electric Yellow was able to maintain possession more than Metapan expected, and threatened from the numerous deep Free Kicks and near infinite amount of corners.

Next Tuesday probably won't be as easy as this one was, but a single goal down there changes every thing.

Marathon won 3-0 on the road. Joe Public managed two away goals in their 2-2 draw with Brujas.

Oh, that supposedly lazy Fredy Montero scored within a minute of appearing and played an inspired game until the final whistle.

But the Open Cup lineup is what powered the Sounders today. A lineup that most observers would call subpar. Forgetting that Seattle does not lose with those lineups. They will eventually but not to a thuggish team, not at Qwest.

Stats, quotes and some of Jeremiah's thoughts after the jump.

Star-divide

I know there's some disgruntlement over Sigi's choice of lineup. I thought, at the start, that it was a decent roll of the dice. The fact is that the Sounders have four games in 10 days and probably can't play anyone starter's minutes in all four. With that in mind, I kind of expect Riley to sit in one of the next two games, Alonso to be subbed out earlier than we'd like and for Nyassi to sit the next game.

More importantly, though, I think we can expect Nkufo to start on Saturday and to be available off the bench on Tuesday, and for Montero, Zakuani, Parke and Ianni to start both of the next two matches. This gives us a pretty solid chance to at least get a tie on Saturday and still have the bullets left to get the needed result on Tuesday. This was a far from ideal situation, to be sure, but I think Schmid played his cards about as well as could be expected.

It looks like the Sounders will catch a bit of a break when they play the second leg in San Salvador. The Metapan coach painted a pretty said picture, saying he doesn't expect more than a few thousand people as the game is being played 2.5 hours from their normal home. The crowd may not being as hostile as many of us feared it might be.

For whatever it's worth, I'm also expecting an announcement soon on Alvaro Fernandez. Even if he signs, though, I doubt he'll be available until the Houston match. 

Here's the stats and quotes:

Goals by Period

1

2

Tot

Isidro Metapan

0

0

0

Seattle Sounders

0

1

1

Scoring Summary:


SEA -- Fredy Montero (Osvaldo Alonso) 60

Isidro Metapan -- Misael Alfaro, Jose Alvarado, Erick Prado, Ernesto Aquino, Moises Menendez (Mark Lester Blanco 69), Oscar Jimenez, Hector Mejia, Emerson Umana, Rodolfo Suarez (Andres Flores 80), Anel Canales, Josue Flores (Jorge Luis Moran 87).

Substitutes Not Used: Milton Molina, Carlos Carrillo, Elias Bladimir Montes, Jose Gonzalez. 

TOTAL SHOTS: 2 (Emerson Umana 1); SHOTS ON GOAL: 1 (Emerson Umana 1); FOULS: 20 (Rodolfo Suarez 5); OFFSIDES: 3 (Anel Canales 2); CORNER KICKS: 2 (Josue Flores 2); SAVES: 4 (Misael Alfaro 4)

Seattle Sounders -- Kasey Keller, James Riley, Tyrone Marshall, Taylor Graham, Leo Gonzalez, Sanna Nyassi, Peter Vagenas (Osvaldo Alonso 14), Mike Seamon, Miguel Montano (Steve Zakuani 57), Nate Jaqua (Fredy Montero 60), Roger Levesque.

Substitutes Not Used: Jeff Parke, Tyson Wahl, David Estrada, Terry Boss


TOTAL SHOTS: 15 (Osvaldo Alonso 4); SHOTS ON GOAL: 5 (Fredy Montero 2); FOULS: 17 (Leo Gonzalez 3, Roger Levesque 3); OFFSIDES: 1 (Roger Levesque 1); CORNER KICKS: 8 (Osvaldo Alonso 4); SAVES: 1 (Kasey Keller 1)

Misconduct Summary:

SEA -- Peter Vagenas (caution; Unsporting Behavior) 8

SEA -- James Riley (caution; Reckless Foul) 17

SEA -- Osvaldo Alonso (caution; Reckless Tackle) 19

ISM -- Rodolfo Suarez (caution; Reckless Foul) 36

ISM -- Erick Prado (caution; Reckless Tackle) 42

ISM -- Emerson Umana (caution; Reckless Tackle) 64

SEA -- Sanna Nyassi (caution; Reckless Foul) 67

 

Referee: Ricardo Arellano

Referee's Assistants: -Alejandro Ayala; Victor Calderon

4th Official: Jair Marrufo

Attendance: 17,228

Time of Game: 1:53

Weather: Sunny-and-75-degrees


All Statistics contained in this boxscore are unofficial

 

Seattle Sounders FC vs. AD Isidro Metapán - July 28, 2010 - Quotes

 

Sigi Schmid - Sounders FC Head Coach

(General comments...) "We had chances. I thought we had chances to score more than just the one and we're disappointed that we didn't get more. It's most important not give up a goal at home. We have a lead. It forces them when we go down there that they have to score a goal. They can't sit back. Here they can sit back. And for us on the road to score a goal, we force them to score three, so that's really important. We wanted to hold them at zero at home and get as many goals as possible as home. We also wanted to make sure that we can play with a strong lineup when we go down to El Salvador because it's going to be a hostile environment. The refereeing certainly is going to be a little different than it is in the MLS and it's going to be a situation where we're going to need our veteran players down there to get the result that we need to advance."

(On yellow cards...) "Obviously, with two yellows you sit out a game, so we have to be careful with that. I thought early in the game we got drawn into some of the theatrics on the field and we didn't play with enough composure. A couple of yellow cards we didn't need to take. It doesn't affect us for the next game. The most important thing is to get into the group stage and then we'll see where we are with yellow cards."

(On win being good for MLS...) "It shows that anything can happen. When you look at the Galaxy game, Puerto Rico got 4 shots and 4 goals. I'd much rather be in our position than the Galaxy's position at this stage. It's good for us to get a win and it's good for the league, but mainly what we're concerned with what's good for us."

(On substitutions...) "Our team has adjusted a little better to realizing that if you're coming into the game as a sub, you can make an impact on the game and you want your subs to have an impact on the game. That's something we talked about with our midfielders. I know Fredy was disappointed with not starting because he wanted to start, but he had his head about him, made good decisions when he came in, and he played with a lot of effort and enthusiasm and scored an important goal for our team. I knew coming in that it'd be hard to play all of our top players today, on Saturday, and then on Tuesday there, so we wanted certain guys like Fredy and Zakuani to play Saturday and then come back on Tuesday. Our subs have realized that they can have an impact and we've also told our players on the field that they have to get the subs involved when they get in the game. They have fresh legs, so get them involved."

(On Michael Seamon...) "Michael for a first year player is a good player. He could have done a few things better tonight defensively, but offensively a good example is the ball he played over the top to Sanna. He has that type of ability and vision. As he continues to mature, he'll get better and better. He has good physical qualities. He has a good mind for the game, he just has to learn when to go. The game sometimes comes to you. Not every game is the same. For him today, it was a midfield game where he got to see more of the ball."

(On touches...) "I think some of our touches up front weren't always the best. Sanna getting in twice really well in the first half and just that final pass and making that final decision has to get better. Metapan did a good job of getting numbers behind the ball and packing the defense and not getting themselves stretched too much defensively, so that made it a little tougher for us. You have to take your hat off to them because they made it difficult for us to win. We need to make it difficult for them when we go down there. We can always get better at that final pass. We can always get better at that final situations."

(On needing players for short turnaround...) "We didn't want to play [Blaise] Nkufo today because we want to make sure we don't put him in a situation where we jeopardize an injury when coming back into fitness. [Patrick] Ianni didn't suit tonight. We had some other guys on the bench. We have people there, certainly I'm not worried about that. Sometimes when you're in the rhythm of playing, the games go. Players would rather get their fitness in games than in practice."

(On Miguel Montano...) "Miguel is a young player who is very talented, but sometimes his performances go up and down. He's had better performances than he had today. It was a case of wanting to get Zakuani on the field because he can get them wider and stretch them out a bit more. He'll make his impact here down the line."

(On goal...) "I subbed him on and I just turned, so I didn't see the shot. I saw the tail end of it. I saw the goalkeeper scrambling for it and have it spin off his hands and go in. I didn't celebrate as much as I normally would do on a goal. That's what happens. You take your eyes off him for a second and he scores a goal."

Fredy Montero - Sounders FC Forward

(On expecting to score a goal when he came in...) "I think so. From the bench and while I was warming up my focus and concentration was on scoring a goal and on my first play I managed to score."

(On where goal ranks personally...) "It definitely represents a lot. It's part of the team's history. I scored the first goal in MLS and now the first international goal as well. A beautiful goal for me and always recognizing the goodness of playing with this team and all the colleagues with me."

(On style of play...) "They knew the style of play in the MLS. They know that we can run all 90 minutes. They kept possession for a long time and watched them fault in the back. We knew the goal was very important to keep the advantage and for the next game as well."

(On the shot...) "It was a three point goal. We always try to make it beautiful. This time maybe not so beautiful, but it was incredibly important and I'm very happy about it."

(On being prepared...) "The warmup was very good. I was very focused. I had the motivation and really wanted to face the team. It was a decision from the coach, but I was ready and motivated. I'm very happy that I was able to get out and help the team."

(On studying the keeper...) "The keeper has good technique. Usually keepers with such good technique tend to play a little more forward. I observed that and wanted to test him early on and that's why I attempted a shot and good thing it went in."

(On style of play and importance of the game...) "The style of play is similar, I was familiar. Many teams in Colombia play with similar rhythm. So I understand the dynamic of how the defenders play. I can talk to them and try to get them out of their game a little bit. It was definitely an important game and we had to play in our rhythm and our fashion. It will be important to know that they will attack and that we will counterattack them."

Kasey Keller - Sounders FC Goalkeeper

(On the game  . . .) "Overall, we were not quite at our best today but we got the goal and we got the win. It's something to hold on to down in El Salvador. It's going to be a tough game. They are a crafty team. I thought we stuck with them pretty well. I think physically we were better and that showed in the end of the game. I had very little to do and I was happy about that."

(On second leg in El Salvador . . .) "It could be. At the same time, if we fall into a shell and let them come at us when what we need to do is to keep the same attitude in the back, keep it tight. If we do it the right way, we should have a lot of opportunities on the other end."

(On Sounders FC offense . . .) "I really thought we wanted to come away from this game with two or three goals. We had opportunities, we didn't take them. Hopefully that doesn't come back to haunt us. I feel very comfortable that we can go down there and get a result. The nice part is we come away with a win and without conceding an away goal."

(On going into second leg 1-0 . . .) "It's great. I mean, 0-0 is not a bad result for us either at home because, like I said, with the away goals counting as double in the case of a tie. Having that lead means that they have to beat us by two and I feel very confident that we can go down there and not concede a goal and be comfortable in scoring two or three."

(On last few matches . . .) "I think over the last five or six matches we have really turned that corner that we have talked about that we were capable of - the fighting for one another. I think there is a whole new amount of energy going out there and once again Fredy Montero came on and was working hard. I think that fans appreciated the fact that he is chasing people down and doing things and that's infectious. When guys are working like that it draws other people to work like that as well. We have to keep that going and the harder you work the easier it is to work harder the next game."

 

Edwin Portilllo - Metapán Head Coach

(Opening statement...)"Losing always hurts. It bothers us, but knew it was going to be a difficult game in a difficult stadium full of people; we are not that use to such a full stadium. It motivated us as well. It was an unfortunate mistake by our keeper. He's crying out for the mistake, but this is human we need to recover and move on. The Sounders did better, we came looking for a tie and ended up losing. Last year we lost 1-0. Now we will do better on our own field."

(On what the goalkeeper saw during the goal...)"Everyone is giving him moral support. He was in the locker room crying. The ball changed directions and he wasn't in very good position at the time, but at the same time it was a surprising kick from the player who just came in. For the keeper with the years of experience with the national team, he is bothered by it, he is not happy."

(On the style of play difference between the two teams...)"In the MLS the style is very different; first of all the infrastructure is much stronger.  The payers are more professional and even more so from a style they move faster. Collectively they're still missing, but individually they are very fast. We came here very cautions to play defensively. We didn't want a large score against us."

(On the players playing on the artificial turf...)"We had played before on artificial turf. We didn't feel much of a difference. We played a friendly in LA and another in Panama. It isn't a field we are used to working on, but not a tremendous difference."

(On playing a more aggressive style for the next match...)"That will be the focus of our team. We have to change the tactics. We need to score 2 goals and that comes with more risk, but that's the only game. We will have to run the risk we don't have any other alternatives, so we'll have to expose ourselves to keep in the tournament."

(On CONCACAF not approving its home stadium [Estadio Suarez] suitable...)"That maybe surprised me a little bit. The last time we played in a tournament at our home. This time CONCACAF didn't approve of our stadium. Our stadium is indeed small, but for one reason or another they didn't approve our facility. We're going to play in the capital [San Salvador's Estadio Cuscatlan]. That might give a better show, but it might reduce our advantage. In fact in our stadium we have won 30 or 34 games without losing and now we have to play in a place that makes it a little bit more neutral."

(On the expected crowd capacity for the next match...)"We are from the municipality, not the capital. It will take two hours and it's a weekday so people have to work.  I will not create false expectations. I expect 3,000 from the capital and a few more from the municipality."

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I hope Vagenas is ok

We need every midfielder we can get.

by brokejumper on Jul 28, 2010 9:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Agreed

Sigi burned a sub by starting him. It would have been a different game without Alonso in there.

by Cornchops on Jul 28, 2010 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sigi has quite the balancing act to walk in deciding how much playing time to give everyone.

Obviously Blaise and Montero start on Saturday, but does Zakuani? Alonso? Both played a lot of minutes between today and Sunday.

Now with more lemon bars!

by Fear on Jul 28, 2010 9:40 PM PDT reply actions  

In post-game presser

He made it sound like everyone other than Vagenas is available on Saturday.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 28, 2010 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

What I'm really worried about

Is that we will try and hold our 1-0 lead during the next game instead of going for the win in that game as well. The Sounders seem to have a tendency of going very defensive when we have the lead. We also seem to have a tendency to let up a lot of goals when we get that way.

by Derek R on Jul 28, 2010 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is all true

Maybe 1-0 win is better in that case? Team knows that 1-0 means OT and they can’t want that.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 28, 2010 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Open Cup lineup

I was hoping for better than an USOC lineup. Sure, we did well enough (I hope). But it would have been nice to get another goal, or two.

It is getting hard to tell what our “best” lineup is. USOC, MLS, CCL. They’re starting to run together.

by Cornchops on Jul 28, 2010 9:42 PM PDT reply actions  

I'd say more then well enough

Given the fact that we have so many games coming up I’m not surprised by the lineup. And honestly when you are getting that many chances against an opposition without going 100% then why burn yourself out? I’m sure we would have seen even more chances if we didn’t have a goal in by the 75th-80th minute, but the fact of the matter is we did. And we still continued making chances.

by Derek R on Jul 28, 2010 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Tauro 0-3 Marathon

A 3 goal win on the road should see Marathon through to group C. If the Sounders can find the net once in El Salvador, I’m sure their through as well.

He didn't go.

by BUCKETSinSB on Jul 28, 2010 9:44 PM PDT reply actions  

17k

And 18k in Toronto last night.

While that’s 19k short for us (but still ridiculously high for a CCL game), and only 3k short for TFC, it’s good to see some teams’ fans show up for games that count.

by Cornchops on Jul 28, 2010 9:45 PM PDT reply actions  

it was a good crowd

and the FO seems to be under the impression its better to play cup matches at Starfire… :-(
not quite sure why we could have the USOC semifinal against Chivas at Qwest… well, too late now…

...that's MISTER Keller to you!!!

by malcontentjake on Jul 28, 2010 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lackluster Lineup

First of all, they really messed up in selling the tickets. They must have held the midfield tickets for season ticket holders so everyone was sitting at the goal line. I feel like attendance would have been better if they had made the better seats available earlier.

As for the lineup, while I wasn’t expecting all the starters, I was hoping Sigi would take this game somewhat seriously, which he clearly didn’t.

I won’t even type his name, but a certain midfielder should never be seen again wearing rave green after today. Also, Jaqua seemed really lost out there. He missed an awesome cross in the first half that he easily could have chested in the goal.

by Michael Belle on Jul 28, 2010 9:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Actually the majority of the fans seemed to be behind

so still a mistake, but it did feel pretty full out there. I was sitting on the opposite side of my normal season ticket location and 3 rows down, 10 or so chairs towards the ECS. It felt a lot louder then normal (though I get the feeling most of the season tickets around me are company owned as they never have the same person twice).

by Derek R on Jul 28, 2010 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

East side

I was sitting on the west side looking at how lopsided the seating was on the east side of the stadium, It did seem a little more uniform on my side, but still screwy.

by Michael Belle on Jul 28, 2010 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder how well ticket master handles this sort of thing

For us at least we just put in 3 best seats available and it put us in 246 J, which was very populated

by Derek R on Jul 28, 2010 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Section 204 was full while 207 was half empty. What gives?

I wonder what the front office (or Ticketmaster) will learn from this ticket sale debacle. My suggestion is this: For the first week, open up ticket sales to season ticket holders only, but with all seats available on a first come first serve basis. In other words, not reserving season ticket holders’ own seats. After the first week, open up sales to the general public.

by Eastside Ajacied on Jul 28, 2010 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you think this lineup indicates that he didn't take the game seriously

then you expect the team to lose every Open Cup game too.

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Sounder At Heart

by Dave Clark on Jul 28, 2010 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

What I mean

Is there isn’t any lesser player they could have started the game with in my view. If you think this is them taking the game seriously Dave, then why don’t they start these same players for MLS games?

by Michael Belle on Jul 28, 2010 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

They played on Sunday

It’d be really hard to juggle the starting XI to make it work with that sort of constraint

by Graham MacAree on Jul 28, 2010 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

The only guy out there tonight who hasn't started an MLS game

Is Graham

Every single one of those players would be a rotational guy or better for an average MLS side.

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Sounder At Heart

by Dave Clark on Jul 28, 2010 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Judging by the standings ignores that Seattle was ravaged by injuries

The spine of the team broke and there were a lot of losses that wouldn’t have happened.

Jaqua being back is HUGE. Alonso healthy even bigger than that.

There are probably five teams in the league I think are better than Seattle right now

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Sounder At Heart

by Dave Clark on Jul 28, 2010 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well

he’s now playing in the right spot. He wasn’t before. That has been a huge difference.

Now if we could just get rid of Noonan…

Now with more lemon bars!

by Fear on Jul 28, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would disagree

I’m sure you know better than to take the opinions of a random commenter too seriously, but in every single game I’ve seen we’ve had the talent to match up favourably against every team but the Galaxy. Although the results don’t show it, I’d have the Sounders at the very top end of MLS.

by Graham MacAree on Jul 28, 2010 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

We had plenty talent to win this game

I think that’s what you’re saying, so I think we agree. Our rotationals whipped their starters silly. Given our inability to score regardless of who is out there, I’m not convinced the lineup had anything to do with the relative lack of lopsided score.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 28, 2010 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

The lineup was important

We wouldn’t have scored with our starting lineup. The defense was fine, but why not start Alonso, Montero, and Zakuani and pull them after they score a goal?

by Michael Belle on Jul 28, 2010 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

They had to out in the time anyways

So why couldn’t they do it at the beginning of the game?

by Michael Belle on Jul 28, 2010 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think you can just assume they would have scored early

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 28, 2010 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because there's only 3 subs.

Alonso only came out because Vagenas dropped. The rest played ~30 minutes.

And pulling guys after scoring a goal is just a terrible idea.

by Brian Floyd on Jul 28, 2010 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Players comming off the bench

Generally have more energy then players on the field. 2 normal starting forwards in the last 20-30 mins of the game makes a huge difference over starting them at the beginning. And as everyone else has pointed out, players like Zakuani did just play 90 mins on Sunday. If it was something easy to continuously do we’d see a lot more quality soccer.

by Derek R on Jul 28, 2010 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know if you're a baseball fan at all

But there’s a reason that closers come in at the end of the games rather than starting them

by Graham MacAree on Jul 29, 2010 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Starting Alonso, Montero, and Zakuani with the intention of subbing all 3 of them off after 60 minutes or a goal is a terrible idea. Injuring happen. Defenders get sent off. You need to have extra subs just in case those scenarios happen. Starting people you know that can’t/shouldn’t go the full 90 burns up subs and you don’t want to do that with 3 players.

Today was a pretty balanced squad. We had Riley, Marshall, and Gonzalez in back. I know Marshall is becoming 3rd pick CB, but that is basically 3 MLS starters in defense. Jaqua would be our starting striker if we didn’t have Nkufo. Montano and Nyassi are each competing for the regular position at right mid. Seamon is really doing well as an attacking mid, not quite MLS starting material, but he contributes a lot to the attack. And before the Montero and Zakuani came on we were making chances, just not finishing well (especially in Nyassi’s case). And the goal our starters did get was more a fluke anyway so I don’t think it’s fair to credit Montero too much as having played superior than the starters when the keeper put that in for him.

by reesebw on Jul 29, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was standing right in line with Jaqua when Nyassi hit that cross

Jaqua wasn’t getting to that ball. Nyassi drilled it way past Jaqua, instead hitting Montano’s diving head.

by Brian Floyd on Jul 28, 2010 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am totally comfortable with the defensive lineup Sigi played

but the problem starting the second string? semi-rotational players? whatever you want to call them is goals. We have enough trouble scoring goals with the best lineup out there. Put in the 2nd string and, yeah, the D and midfield play might be reasonably fine, but the finishing really drops off. Nyassi (God forbid Noonan makes it out there) Levesque, and Montano just don’t have the finishing ability that others do.

by Nevtelen on Jul 28, 2010 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

If they had the stamina

to do such a feat while still playing 100% in league I’m sure we’d start our starters every game.

by Derek R on Jul 28, 2010 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then that wasn't a problem in this game....

Since a 0:0 tie would have been great for us in terms of the aggregate, a defensive lineup was just what was called for. It would have been far better for us to draw 0:0 than 1:1, so a defensive lineup was what was needed out there. The fact that we managed to get a goal, and the win, was just an added bonus.

by regnaD kciN on Jul 29, 2010 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Overconfident with a B lineup

I think that Sounders wanted to win this game. In that respect, they were serious. However, they expected to win it with an Open Cup lineup. They were proven right to a degree in that the game was tilted their way for the most part, except that they were in a scoreless draw after 59 minutes. The fact that Montero and Zakuani were sub’ed in tells me that, in the end, Sounders did take the game seriously. My opinion, however, is that the Sounders didn’t take the game as seriously as they should have from the beginning.

by Eastside Ajacied on Jul 28, 2010 11:11 PM PDT reply actions  

And you are certainly entitled to your opinion

I just don’t think you happen to be correct.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 28, 2010 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let me ask you this

Ideally, what would you like to see happen? The Sounders, at some point need to rest their players. Every guy isn’t going to play last Sunday, today, Saturday and next Tuesday (that’s four games in 10 days). You have to make some tough decisions.

I said at the start that I thought this was a decent lineup. I think the dominance they showed proved it was adequate. The fact that Zak and Fredy were available and used as subs, to me, further shows that it went almost perfectly.

I honestly don’t think you can blame the 1-0 result on the lineup. The guys had chances. There’s no guarantee it would have gone any better if Zak and Montero had played more minutes.

I guess my question is this: Assume no player can play starters minutes in more than three of these games. Which games would you like to see Zak and Montero not start?

Because if it's not Love | Then it's the bomb ... | That will bring us together

by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 28, 2010 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Answer

I was hoping the plan was that either Zak or Montero would sit out against San Jose so they could’ve played hard in this game, and Alonso might have to sit out anyways because of our starting line up. No there are no guaranteed goals, but at least it would have appeared we were willing to sacrifice a little in order to compete better in this tournament.

I’m not complaining about the number of goals scored, I just feel that Champions League is supposed to carry more weight than it appears to, and I was hoping the Sounders would contribute to that sentiment. It’s more an issue with the grand strategy, not the tactics.

If we advance, we’ll have to play a lot of games in between MLS games, and the teams we play later will be better I would hope.

My question is this: Would you be willing to sacrifice any of our starters from MLS games for these tournaments?

by Michael Belle on Jul 29, 2010 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

What?
No there are no guaranteed goals, but at least it would have appeared we were willing to sacrifice a little in order to compete better in this tournament.

Why does it matter what the appearance is? This isn’t some show, it’s a tactical game. Unless you were in Sigi’s head and knew what he was thinking with his lineup and tactics, it’s unfair to surmise whether he took this seriously.

He shouldn’t be running out a lineup that may look good to the fan sitting at home. He should be running out lineup a lineup keeping in mind he has a league game — one where we’re fighting to get into the playoff picture — and a second leg within the next week.

Please, everyone, stop trying to judge whether the Sounders were “trying hard enough” based on a lineup. None of us were in the team’s head and whining because it looked like we overlooked a game is ridiculous.

by Brian Floyd on Jul 29, 2010 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the constructive Comments Cougfan

Everyone else is “ridiculous” and your opinion is the only one that matters, I get it now.

by Michael Belle on Jul 29, 2010 6:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

What he is simply trying to say

is that results are what matters and that Sigi would be doing the team and the fans a disservice to play a lineup just to make it look like he is taking it seriously. And I fully agree. I’d rather we win, and win without sacrificing too much in other areas. Even as far as appearances go I’d rather win a game that’s on ESPN in front of 36k+ then a game on FSC in front of 17k+.

by Derek R on Jul 29, 2010 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Why sacrifice MLS Games?

They did what they had to to win. That’s what I wanted. A victory. I’m not sure why we’d want to sacrifice MLS games if we didn’t have to.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 29, 2010 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

The San Jose game is not relevant

What matters is the Colorado game – it’s what prevented Alonso, Zakuani, and Montero starting. Soccer players do not start two games on three day’s rest, especially dubiously fit ones like Zak and Fredy.

The Sounders also completely and utterly outclassed Metapan with their B team… so why the complaints? Are you that hung up on the scoreline that you’re willing to throw away a game in which the Sounders dominated and won?

by Graham MacAree on Jul 29, 2010 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wasn't thrilled with the lineup coming in, but after about 15 minutes my concerns had faded entirely.

It certainly appears as though Sigi had a far better idea of what to expect from Metapan than I did.

by Aaron Campeau on Jul 29, 2010 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Would you prefer

That we put more emphasis on this then league play? We’d easily be able to start our starters every cup/tournament game but we’d never have a chance in league play. And as important as these cups are, the league play reflects on the team more.

by Derek R on Jul 28, 2010 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is 3 games in 6 days.

What did you expect them to do, run the whole regular lineup out there?

by Brian Floyd on Jul 28, 2010 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

I also expected N’Kufo to fly in on a helicopter.

by Michael Belle on Jul 28, 2010 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, could we put this to rest?

“Oh, that supposedly lazy Fredy Montero scored within a minute of appearing and played an inspired game until the final whistle.”

It’s starting to sound like a cranky wife who just won’t let it go. Nearly everyone has sourced Montero’s lack of effort early this season (including you at one point this season). Clearly, he’s a different player out there and anyone who can’t see that ain’t watching. I’m just happy to be getting the level of play we’d always hoped for!

by swansuite on Jul 29, 2010 9:03 AM PDT reply actions  

Differant player or differant position?

The reason Montero is covering more ground and impressing the “i like players that run more” crowd is he is in a differant position then he was before. He was stuck forward as the “target” forward. Now he is in the withdrawn position and is allowed to drift back.

He has consistantly put up goals and assists through the whole season. He is just in a new role.

by DarthGreedo on Jul 29, 2010 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

I believe what people are getting at

Is that Montero was never as lazy as people called him out to be. He was simply in the wrong position

by Derek R on Jul 29, 2010 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have never complained about a lack of effort

I wrote that in sarcasm, more to mock those.

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by Dave Clark on Jul 29, 2010 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good position

A 1 – 0 win in the first leg at home is good start. It would ave been better to score more goals obviously but the most important thing in the home leg is to not allow any goals. Now if we score 1, they have to score 3. I’d be more comfortable if our defense wasn’t riddled with injuries and so inconsistant but I think we are in a good position to advance.

by DarthGreedo on Jul 29, 2010 9:10 AM PDT reply actions  

Thankfully

It looks like we are clearing up some injuries

by Derek R on Jul 29, 2010 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Let's focus on Metapan for a minute

I saw absolutely nothing that worried me about this side. They might not even be able to beat USL teams with regularity. Their strikers could barely, if at all, outpace Marshall and Graham, who we all know are not fleet of foot. They were constantly being dispossessed in the midfield. Metapan’s few counterattacks of note were the result of Sounders mistakes, rather than their own skill or creativity. Their ONE shot on goal was a weak roller that a cardboard cutout of Kasey Keller could have stopped.

Despite Metapan playing 9 behind the ball and going into full retreat whenever the Sounders gained the ball, the Sounders were able to lurk around the 18 yard box at will. I’ll give them credit for cagily playing the ref with their stalling tactics and diving, but that’s about it.

Lastly, with their “home game” in San Salvador, any advantage there is likely negated. If the Sounders don’t advance next Tuesday, something will have gone horribly wrong.

by 108Ultra on Jul 29, 2010 10:06 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

All of this is very true

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 29, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

With the way the ref was calling the game and handing yellow cards to Sounders left and right

this game should have been a lot closer. But it didn’t matter, even with yellows we were taking the ball away from Metapan players left and right. They couldn’t keep up, and they couldn’t hold the ball away from our players. On many plays, they were forced to simply hack at a Sounder player to keep him from getting a great shot on goal. I think their appearance of being thuggish/dirty was a result of them being consistently beat more then anything else.

It was just a great game from our offense and midfield.

Now with more lemon bars!

by Fear on Jul 29, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

And I left out

that their keeper was, to put it charitably, highly suspect. Montero’s goal was a good shot, but should have been stopped. I don’t recall him cleanly catching any shots. He had a punchout, but he coughed up everything he attacked with open hands. The Sounders need to trail their shots on Tuesday, because rebounds will be there to clean up.

by 108Ultra on Jul 29, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Second leg is different

What you say is true, but I also saw a team that was playing very defensive in a hostile environment.

They had a corner early on where they only had 2-3 targets near our goal! And most of the second half they were delaying the game with the obvious intention of just trying to get back to a friendly environment where they will come back more rested and more attack minded.

I still think we look like a better team but we may not respond as well to them when they are in attack mode.

by lysander on Jul 29, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

You are right on about their tactics,

but I think they have to be careful about getting too frisky. With a clear talent and skill deficiency, in my mind Metapan will find it difficult to mount a cohesive attack. Also, committing more players to attack weakens their already suspect defensive formation. Throwing just 1 or 2 more players into the offensive half will open up space that the Sounders should be able to exploit. Toss in an unsound keeper, and that’s a recipe for a rout.
As for the environment, while it won’t be hostile, they won’t be playing at home, instead they’ll be in a large (45k) stadium in another city, who’s fans may not have any interest in rooting for their rivals. The Metapan fans who do travel are going to be lost in all the empty seats. Saprissa it ain’t.
Senor Portillo has to know this, so I think we’ll see similar tactics, he’s just going to hope for more Sounder errors and counterattack opportunities. If he’s lucky, he’ll get another friendly referee who might send a Sounder off. It’s not ideal, but it’s probably his best option.

by 108Ultra on Jul 29, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

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