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Explaining the Sounders signing of Alvaro Fernandez

That's our new man, Alvaro Fernandez (right), chumming it up with International Superstar Diego Forlan. Let's hope some of the Uruguayan pixie dust has stayed with El Flaco. (Well, at least it's a clearer picture of him...)

A lot of these issues have been addressed in comments, but figured it would be worthwhile to get as many answers in one place as possible.

The most basic facts are these:

  • Alvaro Fernandez is currently classified as the Sounders' third designated player, but he's not actually on the roster. If he moves to the active roster before Freddie Ljungberg is moved, it would trigger a one-time payment to the league of $250,000 that would be distributed to all the teams without three DPs (and right now that means it will be divvied up among the 15 other teams). 
  • The payment is a one-time fee and is not refundable even if Ljungberg is moved, but would not have to be paid again if the team ever went back to three designated players.
  • Fernandez's status as a DP was almost automatic because the transfer fee that needed to be paid was included in his cap hit (no word on how much money changed hands) along with his salary.
  • The only things keeping Fernandez off the roster right now appears to be receiving his International Transfer Certificate. Once that comes, some kind of move will have to be made to make room for Fernandez. 
  • With Jhon Kennedy Hurtado on the Injured Reserve, there is an open international roster slot so the move just has to create space on the 24-man roster.
  • There was no indication that a Ljungberg move was imminent.

Star-divide

Most of the other issues are more subjective. After talking to various Sounders personnel and taking part in interviews with Sigi Schmid and Adrian Hanauer, here are some of my more speculative thoughts:

  • I got the sense that the team would look to add a third DP if Ljungberg is moved. He gave no indication about who that might be. Going through the tape of the interview, I'm not sure what made me think that, exactly, but I definitely came away thinking this roster is still not set.
  • Hanauer said the team has some "different and creative" ways to create space on the roster. Honestly, I'm at a loss as to what that might mean. 
  • I don't think the team wants to IR guys like Vagenas or Noonan. Whatever fans may think of them, both are players in whom Schmid has put a fair amount of faith. I really don't see Schmid willing to lose their services for six weeks of MLS play if their injuries aren't very serious. Brad Evans is the other player nursing an injury and I don't think he's going anywhere either. The three guys currently on IR are all players who seem to be part of the Sounders' longterm plans.
  • I'm not exactly an expert on roster rules, but I don't see a lot of ways around needing to move someone to make roster space. That could come in the form of a trade -- the midfield is starting to look pretty full -- or it could come by waiving a player. 
  • Schmid and Hanauer seemed pretty bullish on getting Fernandez on the field. I have a hard time seeing how he could be ready to play before the Houston game on Aug. 8. Realistically, it's probably even a stretch to expect him to play in that game.

 

In a more general sense, there was a fair amount of talk about what a move like this means to the league. Specifically, how the recent signings of twenty-somethings Nery Castillo by Chicago and Fernandez seem to indicate a different view of what a designated player can mean to a team.

"I think if we can show ourselves to be a viable league to bring in players like that and they are going to continue to grow and continue to develop," Schmid said. "Obviously if (Fernandez) does well then one day he might move on but then that opens up the door for the next guy to do the same thing. I just think when you get players at that age and at that level it just shows that you are a more viable league, that you are higher up in that pecking order across the world."

Obviously, my bias is to think this is a great sign for the team and league.

A few years ago, it was pretty much impossible for a MLS team to scout a World Cup player, especially one that is just 24, and then hope to sign him. It wasn't even about the league's willingness to pay for a player like that as much as it was players like Fernandez probably considered the league beneath them.

Now, we can talk about developing not just young Americans, but internationals with legitimate resumes. By the end of this season, the Sounders will probably be starting eight players younger than 27 and there's a pretty decent chance that all of those guys could at least start the season with the team next year.

This is an exciting time ... now if we can just figure out a way to win on Saturday.

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I've seen plenty of photos.

I do my homework.
They’re just not available to be used in front page posts—so this photo has been used at least three times.

by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 30, 2010 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe Kirsten didn't make this clear enough...

The issue is not that we don’t know where to find photos of Alvaro, it’s that they aren’t available through our internal photo system.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 30, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe it's because I've been reading Darths & Droids

But with that neck, he looks like a Kaminoan.

by CarlosT on Jul 30, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's actually

about the 2nd thing I thought of when I saw the Sounders pic of him (the first was how pumped I was to see him in a Sounders uni).

by Nevtelen on Jul 30, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry

misunderstood that it was the SBN photo rights that you were getting at.

by 108Ultra on Jul 30, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: "Houston game on Aug. 8"

I doubt you’ll see him in that game simply because he’s on the roster for the Uruguay vs. Angola friendly which is in Portugal on Aug. 11. That would be an awful lot of travelling…especially if he joins the team (even in street clothes) in El Salvador. I have no idea how long the ITC takes to process…but I am VERY excited about this signing. I hope people aren’t expecting fireworks from him…that’s not his MO. He’s much more of a versatile passing and – most importantly – positive midfielder. By that I mean, he can control and possess without taking his eye off of a potential attack. I think that’s what we have been lacking. Vagenas, when he’s in “controlling” never seems to be “creating” at the same time…..so much so that one blogger (not me) has taken to calling him “Passback Pete”. It will take time to work him in…but I couldn’t be more thrilled. He’s a super-talented impact player WITH the advantages of both youth and upside. GO SOUNDERS!!! Bienvenidos El Flaco!!!

by exSlacker on Jul 30, 2010 7:39 AM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, that's a good point

I keep forgetting about that Nat’l team game. Like I said, Aug. 8 was probably a stretch anyway. Maybe Aug. 14 is more realistic.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 30, 2010 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not yet

Rafa isn’t official yet

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by Dave Clark on Jul 30, 2010 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not yet

Rafa has not been offiically announced.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 30, 2010 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Didn't I read that

it’s supposed to be announced today? Or this weekend or something? Anyway, long before we’d get El Flaco on the roster, though probably (one would think) after FL makes a move.

by Nevtelen on Jul 30, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

That may be true...

The point is that as of this moment, the moment that Fernandez was officially announced as being signed, the Sounders are the only team with three DPs. If Marquez is signed first, I suppose the Sounders might receive their 1/15th of the $250k the Red Bulls would have to pay to the league. I really don’t think it will make much of a difference either way.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 30, 2010 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Houston
Specifically, how the recent signings of twenty-somethings Nery Castillo by Chicago and Fernandez seem to indicate a different view of what a designated player can mean to a team.

arguably started this trend signing Landin last year. The smoking crater where his career used to be shows MLS teams can’t just sign any young up-and-comer to a DP contract, they have to do their homework.

by 108Ultra on Jul 30, 2010 8:19 AM PDT reply actions  

Big difference...

Landin had not really proven anything. Both Castillo and Fernandez have at least played for national teams in major tournaments. Landin was also apparently on loan, although he did classify as a DP.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 30, 2010 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

That woud certainly be creative

And it would also prove that this team is far more powerful than I originally believed.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 30, 2010 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Zombie Sounders = Awesome

This is possibly the funniest post I have ever had the pleasure to read.

by SeattleStan on Jul 30, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Let me preface this post with saying I'm excited he is signed and look forward to his contribution to the team.

Having said that, his resume does not seem that impressive to me. I feel like he may be slightly more hyped because he played for a dark horse WC team that had an incredible run. Looking closer at his recent activity though leaves something to be desired…

- He’s bounced around between 2 South American leagues, Mexican League, and the Portuguese league

- His play with Nacional resulted in him being loaned twice, with 30ish appearances across all three teams

- None of the teams he was loaned to were “great” teams, they finished somewhere between 10th and 14th mid table in their respective leagues in the last season (this is not a direct reflection on him, just an observation)

I have faith that this kid will do well for the team. I’m just afraid that he might be overhyped due to the Uruguayan World Cup run. When I think of the Uruguayan team, I think of the obvious Suarez, Forlan, and Cavani first, then then Lugano, Fucile, Godin, etc. Maybe it’s just me and I just don’t know enough. But this guy was never on my radar. He nary received a mention by commentators or analysts.

If I am wrong, I would love for someone to set me straight. This is all based off my own WC experience and viewing. I might have completely missed the boat on this one.

by chrisperry1983 on Jul 30, 2010 9:23 AM PDT reply actions  

Fernandez is not an international superstar by any means

He’s not a player top tier teams are looking to recruit. But since there’s such a huge gap between MLS and the elite club teams, that’s hot a huge issue. He’s a quality player in an important position for the team, and the international experience is about what I’d expect from top MLS players on good teams.

by Graham MacAree on Jul 30, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think you may be mistaken

Most of the people I’ve read that have seen Fernandez play for extended minutes have come away extremely impressed. His contributions don’t always show up on stat sheets, and judging him based on WC play is probably too limited. Keep in mind that he hardly played and was also facing competition that is worlds beyond MLS.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 30, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

No errors of note

One positive sign for a young player on a good World Cup squad is his lack of errors. AFAIK, he didn’t have any major give-aways or other errors during his World Cup experience.

by Dizzo on Jul 30, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

True

It is too much to hope that MLS could sign a World Cup star (other than Nkufo, of course). And the only other players people remember are the ones that make stupid mistakes. So perhaps players nobody remembers are the best we can hope for. :)

by florean on Jul 30, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

How many MLS players started a WC game?

I don’t think anyone is focused on his WC experience, but how many MLS players started a WC game? Landon, Findley, Nkufo… not even Thierry Henry started (or even played) in the WC. So whether he was a key impact player or just a bit player, that puts him into a pretty elite class. You can dismiss that in the EPL, but not in MLS.

But I think a lot of people have been excited by his domestic performances, such as helping U. de Chile reach the semifinals in the Copa Libertadores. As mentioned in an earlier Sounders at Heart post, blogger Kevin McCauley has been following the Copa and noticed a huge drop off in U. de Chile’s play after Alvaro left: http://worldsoccerreader.com/2010/07/mls-musings-concacaf-champions-league-and-alvaro-fernandez/. And U. de Chile won the 2009 Apertura and have reached the Copa semifinals, so they aren’t simply a mid-table team.

There is a lot of hype, but he is a young, talented, international, young player and the people that have watched him play seem to think he has the potential to live up to the hype. We’ll have to wait and see, but the excitement isn’t based off of his World Cup performance.

by florean on Jul 30, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bingo...

If you look at the US team (which is the team you’d figure would have a few MLS guys), there were all of….. four MLS players. This guy actually played on a good team, starting a QF game. And it’s not like he had two autogoles, tripped over his own feet a bunch of time, and got sent off.
 
Furthermore, as far as the South American clubs go, I could have this totally wrong, but in my limited time following them, South American clubs seem to like holding onto guys’ rights as long as they can so they can sell them off at a much higher price. They don’t tend to have much money, so they tend to habitually loan the players out to bigger clubs (Nacional is one of the big two in Uruguay, but it’s a small country and not very rich), presumably in an effort to build the player’s international reputation. When they can get the real big money from Europe, they sell. Again, I could be totally off-base on this, but there is a TON of loaning going on with CONMEBOL guys.

by mistuhp on Jul 30, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you everyone

for your responses. A lot to think about. Like I said I am excited for this signing. Maybe part of why I sound jaded or something is because we’ve begun to improve. But we can only get better I’d assume. This is an exciting time for the team.

by chrisperry1983 on Jul 30, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Findley & Nkufo
I don’t think anyone is focused on his WC experience, but how many MLS players started a WC game? Landon, Findley, Nkufo… not even Thierry Henry started (or even played) in the WC. So whether he was a key impact player or just a bit player, that puts him into a pretty elite class. You can dismiss that in the EPL, but not in MLS.

I don’t think you can consider either Findley or Nkufo as normal starters either. Findley probably got more playing time than he probably deserved. And Nkufo played a lot of time due to injuries to Alexander Frei.

by Dizzo on Jul 30, 2010 9:55 AM PDT reply actions  

Nkufo was the leading scorer in qualifying I believe

He was definitely a legit starter.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 30, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tied with Frei

But Switzerland has rotated the two or started them both for years now. Nkufo would’ve gotten starts regardless of Frei’s status.

by Thomas Beekers on Jul 30, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Glad someone who actually knows spoke up

Thanks. Obviously, my research was a little lacking. thanks for clarifying.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 30, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, ideally the Swiss would have liked to have Nkufo coming off the bench and we would have liked to not even have Findley on the team. But Thierry Henry should have played. So the size of the group of should-have-been WC players is about the same as the group of actual WC players.

by florean on Jul 30, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Henry played in the WC

He came on as a substitute in France’s group matches against Uruguay and South Africa.

by 108Ultra on Jul 30, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not making fun, but referencing France's group matches made me laugh a bit.

As if France had a chance in hell of making it beyond group play with that train wreck of a squad.

by Sec 108 on Jul 30, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I guess I was needlessly specific there. :)

by 108Ultra on Jul 30, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

My bad. I couldn’t recall. I watched the games, but just for their karmic value.

by florean on Jul 30, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

That team

was a 23-car pileup with 2 jackknifed semis thrown in for good measure. Impossible to keep track of everything. And I was remiss in failing to mention your core point was totally valid.

by 108Ultra on Jul 30, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

With our track record of international players

I’m really not that worried about it, even not really having seen him play. All the players that have been recruited to the Sounders teams from central/south america have all been great additions. Also, Ljungberg was a great addition for that first year (at very least). Hanauer and Henderson seem to do their homework when recruiting players as evidenced by all the great players they’ve brought in from other countries so far: Hurtado, Gonzalez, Montero, Montano, Nkufo, and Ljungberg. I mean all those players came seemingly out of no where and most of them are starters (Montano probably will be in a year or two).

I don’t expect Fernandez to be any less than those players have been (at least some point in their time with Seattle).

by majora999 on Jul 30, 2010 10:01 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I cant link it from where I am

But Richard Farley has an article up on SBNation about the signing. Basically, Seattle is ahead of MLS teams in their use of the DP slot.

by Brian Floyd on Jul 30, 2010 10:59 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Here's the link

I think I’m going to move this link to the front, too.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 30, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Off Topic: Sounders in PDX?

First time I’ve posted here, but I’ve been lurking for quite some time. Thanks for the insightful (usually) comments thread.

I just recently moved to PDX from Seattle, and my resolve to be a loud and proud Sounders supporter has strengthened as I watch the silly Timbers fans all around town. I noticed at the Sounders/Timbers Open Cup game here that there were quite a few Sounders fans who seemed local, or I should say didn’t appear to have travelled down from Seattle with the throng who did.

Does anyone know a place here where Sounders fans get together deep in enemy territory to watch the games? Is there a supporters club for PDX-based Sounders fans?

by jordanR on Jul 30, 2010 12:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Don't know anyone who's been there long

But I know two of our authors just moved there. They are looking for places to watch the game on Tuesday. My cousin, a Timbers fan, lives there and suggested these places might be showing games (even though they are Timbers bars): “I imagine the usual soccer bars would show it. We liked the Marathon Taverna for World Cup games. The Bitter End, the Cheerful Tortoise, and Kells would all be good bets.”

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 30, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sounds good. Would be interested in getting together on Tuesday, as well as Saturday. I get FSC at home, but I much prefer a raucous group of Sounders fans to watch with. I believe Blitz also shows the games, down in the Pearl.

Which authors just moved down here?

by jordanR on Jul 30, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

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