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Quick Review: Sounders Draw Chivas on Road; No Goals for Either Side - Now with Quotes

Don't let one bad decision (or even a few) define this match.

Once upon a time the goal for a decent team in MLS was to average 2 points at home and 1 point on the road. That gets a team to 45 for the season, and the Playoffs. Today, while many will focus on the referee the Sounders got the result they deserved.

They earned that draw. Certainly the Sounders threatened on occasion but these were matched on the other hand. A few brilliant moments by Kasey Keller and Jeff Parke stopped Chivas USA. On offense the team didn't seem to have a solid threat. Sanna Nyassi did what he does - quickly, but missed the open Blaise Nkufo on multiple occasions.

Nate Sturgis failed to pass to Alvaro Fernandez and just couldn't switch the ball effectively. Seattle did not deserve three points, and no amount of finger pointing at the referee will change that.

Fredy Montero and Blaise aren't working well together. And similar to Freddie Ljungberg, Nkufo is frustrated with referees and with the lack of quality service.

Sigi Schmid does not seem to make game adjustments to his substitution pattern, as the two players who were struggling the most had one play 90 and the other was the second sub. Fernandez should not have been overly tired by this performance. He should not have needed to leave the pitch.

Leo Gonzalez' Red Card will mean that he is not going to play against the Chicago Fire at home, which could mean a stronger side for the next three CCL matches.

Again, a point on the road is good. Clean Sheets are good. Seattle moves forward in its quest for the MLS Cup Playoffs. Early in the season this was a match that Seattle loses. Now, it is a point. San Jose did get their win tonight, but in all the results favored Seattle (you'll likely get 2 to 4 ways to look at the standings/chances in the next 24 hours).

We'll have the quotes and stats for you shortly NOW for stats. Next up is the journey to Honduras to face Marathon in the CCL.

Star-divide

Goals by Period

1

2

Tot

Seattle Sounders FC

0

0

0

Chivas USA

0

0

0

 

Scoring Summary:

None


Chivas USA -- Zach Thornton, Mariano Trujillo, Dario Delgado, Michael Umana, Ante Jazic (Jonathan Bornstein 30), Rodolfo Espinoza, Michael Lahoud, Paulo Nagamura, Osael Romero (Giancarlo Maldonado 45), Justin Braun, Alan Gordon (Jesus Padilla 79).

 
Substitutes Not Used:
Kevin Guppy, Carlos Borja, Marcelos Saragosa, Ben Zamanski.

TOTAL SHOTS: 10; SHOTS ON GOAL: 3; FOULS: 8; OFFSIDES: 6; CORNER KICKS: 4; SAVES: 4.  

Seattle Sounders
 FC -- Kasey Keller, James Riley, Patrick Ianni, Jeff Parke, Leo Gonzalez, Sanna Nyassi (Roger Levesque 81), Osvaldo Alonso, Nathan Sturgis, Alvaro Fernandez (Miguel Montano 67), Fredy Montero (Nate Jaqua 86), Blaise Nkufo.

Substitutes Not Used: Mike Seamon, Tyrone Marshall, Zach Scott, Terry Boss.
 

TOTAL SHOTS: 10; SHOTS ON GOAL: 4; FOULS:11; OFFSIDES: 4; CORNER KICKS: 5; SAVES: 3.

Misconduct Summary:

SEA - Jeff Parke (caution; Reckless Foul) 89

SEA - Leo Gonzalez (ejection; Violent Conduct) 90

CHV - Mariano Trujillo (ejection; Violent Conduct) 90

 

Referee: Arkadiusz Prus

Referee's Assistants: -George Ganser; Brian Poeschel

4th Official: Ricardo Salazar

Attendance: 13,839

Time of Game: 1:50


All Statistics contained in this boxscore are unofficial 

Seattle Sounders FC Head Coach Sigi Schmid

(On the match . . .) “In the first half, I thought we played well. I thought we controlled the game pretty much, maybe we were unlucky not to get one. But in the second half, they certainly came out well. They made a couple tactical changes which we had trouble adjusting to and I thought they did an OK job. But you’re going on the road and you’re not going to win every game and so to come out of here – it’s a tough place to play – to come out of here with a 0-0 tie and at least get a point, we’re not super thrilled with it but we’re not super disappointed with it either.”

(On the defense . . .) “The defense I thought played well. I thought we defended together as a unit. In the first half especially I thought we did a good job of keeping [Ante] Jazic [. . .] and [Mariano] Trujillo out of the game. That was good from our wide players. We always talk about the back four, but that was really good from the wide midfielders to get that done. I thought [Jeff] Parke was very good today and overall defensively I thought we were solid.”

(On what kept the team from scoring . . .) “Obviously there was a great save by [Zach] Thornton on [Osvaldo] Alonso’s shot at the end there. And just the final pass, final decision kept us off the board a little bit. Some guys didn’t make as good a final decision as they have at other times. Again, like I said, playing away from home and coming into a tough place to play, playing against a team that needs three points and making sure that they don’t get three points, and coming out with a point, we’re still happy with that.”

Seattle Sounders FC Defender Jeff Parke

(On the match . . .) “It’s a bit both ways. I feel like in the first half we had the better of the play. The second half could’ve gone both ways. I feel like the team put a good effort in. It’s just a shame we didn’t get three. One point is good at least. It’s not exactly what we wanted but it’s still a step in the right direction and zero goals [allowed] is good as well.”

(On what to take from the match . . .) “There’s still some positives. You’ve just got to move on. You’ve got to forget about it now that the game’s over. We’ve got the game on [Thursday] and that’s the next important thing.”

(On the red cards at the end of the game . . .) “It looked like two girls smacking each other. I don’t think Leo [Gonzalez] really got too bad into it. I think it was definitely a red on [Mariano Trujillo’s] part and maybe a yellow on Leo, but it was pretty funny looking from my vantage point.”

Seattle Sounders FC Goalkeeper Kasey Keller

(On the team’s performance . . .) “It was fine, but I thought our final third just wasn’t as sharp as it’s been lately. We got ourselves in a good position and mistouched a trap, messed up the cross. It just seemed like it was one of those days but at the same time I was happy with the way we worked as a team and we defended and we did some pretty good things. Definitely it’s a positive step. We’re now nine games unbeaten and things are OK.”

(On keeping a clean sheet without making too many saves . . .) “That’s always nice. I like it when I’m cleaning up a lot of things and that seemed like more of what I was doing. I’m just happy with the way we’ve been playing and the way we’ve been stepping out to block shots, the way we’ve tracked runners and got out on the counterattack. It really has been an unbelievable turn around in the last eight to ten games.”

(On the physicality of the match . . .) “It was a physical match but you expect that. It’s part of the game. I took a good shot to the ribs and that doesn’t happen too often and that was a little bit frustrating. Besides that little fracas at the end, I thought it was a pretty clean match. There were some hard tackles but nothing where you thought anybody was going after anybody.”

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yep

i agree with this assessment.

There were clear opportunities to where Seattle could get a shot off at least on frame if they made a couple more passes but like i said in the game thread they tried to be fancy and it didn’t work.

And i also agree Seattle didn’t earn the 3 points had alonso or nyassi attempt gone in.

by gstommylee on Aug 14, 2010 10:24 PM PDT reply actions  

now my question

is what does Seattle need to do to get an actually goal against Chivas.

by gstommylee on Aug 14, 2010 10:28 PM PDT reply actions  

This Chivas team was nothing like the one faced three times last year

Except for Thornton.

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by Dave Clark on Aug 14, 2010 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I could

probably say that i underestimated Chivas today.

by gstommylee on Aug 14, 2010 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

It is a very different team

I look at their roster and honestly only recognize 3-4 of the names. It is clear that Martin is in the middle of a rebuilding phase and when I talk with some people close to that organization, he is getting a good core of players who understand what it is he wants from them on the pitch. They may not do much noise making this year, but next year we can expect them to be a very, very good team.

Good point on the road and 4th straight result against a Western Conference foe.

by denz on Aug 15, 2010 5:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

So. Um. That was a curious end.

I didn’t have a problem with the reffing until that.

by Matthew on Aug 14, 2010 10:40 PM PDT reply actions  

while i

was questioning the ref why he didn’t draw cards sooner. But i don’t think that really had matter given how seattle played today.

by gstommylee on Aug 14, 2010 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

There are

times i wish i lived in my own place cause i can’t really express myself on how i feel regarding the times where Seattle play rather sloppy in the house. My mom doesn’t like it neither does my dad.

by gstommylee on Aug 14, 2010 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can't rec this statement enough

I am not a Supporter | I am not a Fan | I am a Sounder
Sounder At Heart

by Dave Clark on Aug 14, 2010 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

it

happens. Not that i agree with it but what can you do. Shoving and pushing like that the end, players are bound to get sent off like that on both sides rather we agree with the call or not.

by gstommylee on Aug 14, 2010 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Does the league keep official possession stats by half?

Sounders possession in the first half might have broken a record. Also, my summary at SSS.

Sounders were unlucky. . how often does Thornton make that save, or how often does that Nyassi header go in? But it used to be unlucky meant a loss. Now it’s a road draw. That’s good.

by sidereal on Aug 14, 2010 10:43 PM PDT reply actions  

Agreed - unlucky, uninspired, but...

But frankly, if this is the “reality check” after our hot streak, it’s not bad to have a 0-0 draw.

There were plenty of shenanigans, things went against us, and clearly we ran out of ideas; but thankfully the backline held and with any luck we get a bit more of that chip on our shoulder to use as motivation in CCL (we’ll need it!)

One specific thing I noted tonight: Montano definitely was less impressive. Makes me inclined to trust Sigi’s judgement (on this at least), since Montano looked pretty much the way Sigi described him this week: very talented kid with a lot of maturing to do, who got his first taste early and now needs to earn a real spot.

by psygreen on Aug 14, 2010 10:58 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I agree on Montano

lots of potential, but needs more seasoning.

I’m not sure that ‘the team’ ran out of ideas, but I think out playmakers ran out of ideas. If you would have asked Nkufo or possibly Fernandez (not sure about Montero), I think they still had ideas. But I think that Nyassi and Sturgis fell into a bit of a repetitive pattern and that killed the creativity and the ability to get a good look at goal. Once Nyassi got the ball, everyone on the field knew what was going to happen. Sturgis was better at stages, but really calcified towards the middle of the game. I think subbing one or both of those two off would have improved play. Both have had better games.

by Nevtelen on Aug 14, 2010 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, it deserves to be mentioned

Sounders have still never scored on Chivas since joining MLS.

by sidereal on Aug 14, 2010 10:53 PM PDT reply actions  

yes

they have not since joining MLS however Seattle had a well put together team in their USL days and its going to be a while until Seattle can put together a MLS equivalent of what they had before joining MLS.

by gstommylee on Aug 14, 2010 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

In my own

opinion i felt I learned something from this game don’t take teams lightly regardless of where they are in the standings. Its only going to set you up for disappointments like it did for me for the DC home, philly away and now this game.

by gstommylee on Aug 14, 2010 11:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Definitely!

I think the only reason I’m not livid at the moment is because I went into the game nervous, worrying that we’d lose and totally shatter our confidence. Clearly Sigi saw this possibility coming and tried to prepare the guys, but sometimes it just isn’t possible (breaking the flow of games every few days probably didn’t help either).

P.S. that Philly game was the worst – but probably only because I missed the DC home match.

by psygreen on Aug 14, 2010 11:15 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Absolutely

There’s a ton of parity in this league.

LA probably isn’t going to shellack DC United like Chelsea did to West Brom earlier this week

by Tohoya on Aug 15, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, refs.
I said it before and I will say it again. Everywhere soccer is played competitively there will be refs who make bad calls, and games that are poorly refereed. It all levels from the EPL to the smallest leagues of Africa. From the World Cup to a simple friendly. Everywhere there will be mistakes.
I just accept it as part of the game. IMO every game either side will claim the reffing was biased against them, regardless of what happened.

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by iced on Aug 15, 2010 8:42 AM PDT reply actions  

No, not at all.
I was more referencing to some of the comments above about reffing. Before the WC break there was some discussion here too about the reffing in the MLS, and people didnt seem to understand that reffing errors happen in every league worldwide. The World Cup was proof that even at the highest levels errors are made, in fact just now in the Liverpool – Arsenal game there was a terrible red card given. I am more saying that personally I have accepted poor reffing as a consequence of the sport, and I don’t get all the excited about it unless its egregious, and last night I didn’t feel is was too awful.
I suppose I just don’t share in the frustration some people feel with the reffing. Especially since it didn’t decide the outcome of last nights game.

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by iced on Aug 15, 2010 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

You do realize

That a statement saying almost same thing as you was most rec’d of the night?

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Aug 15, 2010 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am just glad that people are starting to realize the nature of reffing in soccer.

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by iced on Aug 15, 2010 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, we were wondering when Leo would get a break

I guess he gets a break against Chicago on the 28th. He needs one for sure, this one is just mandatory. Oh well.

by Nevtelen on Aug 15, 2010 9:08 AM PDT reply actions  

Well at least we have him for CCL matches now

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by iced on Aug 15, 2010 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Flat, but not bad

In the top third. Sturgis’ corners were below-par, Nyassi couldn’t find his passing marks or finish (again – has 0 goals), and Montano was not only ineffective, but also had some turnovers that left us vulnerable. Even Nkufo was off on his usually deft passing, and seemed to be getting frustrated because he was not receiving the ball on runs.
However, what got an undesireable whiff of was of Montero reverting back to some bad habits. I happen to call it selfishness, or immaturity. Maybe a result of basking in recent headlines? He was consistently missing Nkufo and played with the ball instead. And he passes too many balls off the ground that can’t be easily controlled, and they were often late. (Though I still do like his overall hustle.. and I also can’t believe the shot he took from Thornton, and got up!)
This team needs more SOG to stay intense and keep attacking. When they lost their momentum in the 2nd half, it essentially didn’t return. I do recognize not having Zak contributed to that.
I’d like to see Nkufo/Montero up top. Zak (left or right), Ossie, Alvaro, and Fucito (left or right) in the midfield. In other words, get the best attacking players assembled who can also finish. Don’t worry as much about what position they’re assigned, because let’s face it, they all move all over the field..
Anyway, the “sky isn’t falling”, and at least it was a point~

by roadrunner11 on Aug 15, 2010 9:21 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Yea

i was happy to see Fucito coming off the IR.

by gstommylee on Aug 15, 2010 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, I missed the match

Decided to watch an outdoor viewing of Goonies (one of my wife’s favorite movies) and was counting on the DVR to come through — it didn’t — so my opinions are based on things that didn’t require an entire viewing of the match.

Anyway, I think someone already said this but definitely believe this seems like the kind of game we lost earlier in the season. Thornton had two make at least impressive saves and was helped out by the post on another. Montero came back to earth and Nkufo is having a much rougher adjustment period than I thought he would.

If this is bad, I’ll take it. A win against Chicago in a couple weeks will probably be a must, but a road tie Saturday was perfectly acceptable.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Aug 15, 2010 9:38 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I think what frustrates me most about the end of the game...

…is that the situation was pretty similar to the Shea-Montano incident, and I just didn’t see anything there at all for which to toss Leo. And the 4th ref was five feet away from where it happened, too. Steven Goff’s take was:

Paging Mariano Trujillo. The MLS disciplinary committee is on Line 1. They’d like you to take a break from soccer for a few weeks.

So I don’t feel like a homer for saying that there was no justice in two red cards there. I am happy about what this means for Leo’s status in CCL play, but I’d rather have that be Sigi’s choice.

Overall, I felt that Prus did well (could have brought a couple cards out earlier rather than spending so much time lecturing players, but was more annoying than it was poor officiating), and while I don’t feel he had any impact on this game, his decision at the end could well have an impact on our next league game, especially since we probably have the least depth at left back of any position.

It’s amazing to contrast Leo’s reaction to the red card to any reaction Ljungberg ever had to any call or non-call a ref made, and it’s a lot easier to enjoy games now that no one in a Sounders shirt is angrily yelling and dismissively waving at the ref for 90 minutes.

by ubelmann on Aug 15, 2010 9:54 AM PDT reply actions  

El Duro...

As someone who was occasionally frustrated with the ‘obvious potential VS lack of full effort’ from Montero last year BUT who is now delighted to see effort that the talent deserves… I have added a new personal nickname for FM based on watching replays of that smash with Big Zack… I now think of our lill’ columbian as El Duro – by which I mean (using c- spanglish) “the tough one” which is remarkable given how I viewed his persona a year ago.

Jeff Parke was a freaking revelation. Wow. I am now giddy at the prospect of a Hurtado Parke combination… Not that Ianni will be easy to sit… (Anyone like me positively dreading the expansion draft? A fun problem to have I suppose.)

by Kevin Shields on Aug 15, 2010 9:58 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm a little less worried about the expansion draft...

…than I was before. I think we’ll have two players taken, and I think that those players will get serious minutes next year, but I don’t think the Sounders will be terribly worse off as a result.

Alonso, Osvaldo
Evans, Brad
Gonzalez, Leo
Hurtado, Jhon Kennedy
Ianni, Patrick
Jaqua, Nate Nkufo
Keller, Kasey
Ljungberg, Freddie Fernandez
Marshall, Tyrone Parke? someone else?
Montero, Fredy
Zakuani, Steve

In terms attaching players, amongst Fucito, Seamon, Nyassi, Estrada, Montano, and Sturgis, and maybe I just don’t have enough information, but it’d be tough for me to list any one of them over the others. Maybe even add Evans to that list. I’m not saying any of them are bad players, it’s just that I don’t think that, say, you’re going to see worlds of difference between putting Sturgis/Nyassi on the pitch vs. Evans/Montano vs. Seamon/Fucito. For that matter, I don’t think you’d see much difference if you sent out King/Le Toux. Since at most two of them get taken, it seems like we have enough attacking depth regardless of how the expansion draft goes.

I know Riley isn’t a big favorite around here, but if he got taken, they’d definitely have to go out and get someone to replace him, which wouldn’t necessarily be the case if you lost one of the aforementioned attacking players. I’m not saying that he should be on the list, but depth-wise, we would have to do a little more scrambling if Riley was taken. Marshall is old, and is probably not bad given his position on the depth chart, but no one will worry if we lose him. Other than that, on defense, I don’t see anyone who either got a lot of minutes this year or figures to be a good player going forward. I wonder if next year’s draft will focus more on defense. (Either a d-mid to back up Alonso in case he goes down again, or fullbacks to give us options there.)

by ubelmann on Aug 15, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

If riley gets taken in

the expansion draft i think Seattle would sign their other 2010 draft pick Wallace for next season.

by gstommylee on Aug 15, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'll wait to give my 11 until the end of season, but

I will say that part of the consideration on who to keep has to be about money. Is Evans, coming off a season-ending injury and making about $150k really a threat to be taken? Maybe, but he’s not really a bargain by MLS standards at this point. I think he’s a starter when healthy, but you get my point. I guess you could say same thing about Hurtado, but he’s on another level of talent, I think. Other than him, it’s tough to argue with your list, but I think either Seamon or Montano will almost certainly be protected.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Aug 15, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good point about salaries

I didn’t bother to take that into account here, but that definitely makes a big difference in a salary cap league.

My main point isn’t necessarily this player or that player gets protected, more that it seems like even though we will lose quality through the expansion draft, we seem to have pretty comparable quality to step up for the selected players.

by ubelmann on Aug 15, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK, just watched the highlight package

First off, it was probably the worst effort I’ve ever seen from MLS.com, just plain awful editing and very little actual run of play for a 10-minute segment.

I’m really looking forward to the possible explanation of that double-red. Prus really should be embarrassed. Also, those FSC announcers were among the worst I’ve heard.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Aug 15, 2010 10:42 AM PDT reply actions  

Were the highlights FSC or FSN?

I only mention it because I suspect that the highlights were taken from the Chivas USA broadcast (which is probably one of the regional FSN stations), in which you would generally expect the announcers to not be of national caliber and also to have a bias towards Chivas.

That said, I have generally been really unsatisfied with FSC’s productions and really wish that we could loan out Arlo to them for CCL games.

by ubelmann on Aug 15, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I wasn’t too happy with the production quality on our end tonight. There were several times where we were treated to close-ups of players or replays while the ball was in play. I understand that soccer is one of the more difficult sports to include replays into the broadcast. When the replay is on one end and the next live shot is on the other I start to panic because I don’t know how the ball got there and if something worse could’ve happened.

Fan of: Cardinals, Blues, Sounders, Yellow Jackets, Wolverines, Rams, and Blazers.

by ColinMacLeod on Aug 15, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I really doubt we control our own video feed

Don’t know if the highlights were via Chivas or FSC, to be honest, but would bet dollars to donuts that all the broadcasts shared the video feed and I’m guessing home team is generally responsible for that unless national broadcaster brings in own crew.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Aug 15, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

That seems likely

I doubt MLS has the revenues at this point for both teams to produce their own video feed. I also don’t mind blaming our opponents for crappy away video feeds. :)

by ubelmann on Aug 15, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Salazar

When I saw Salazar was an official I was worried but then I saw he was the 4th official so I figured he wouldn’t effect the game but of course it was him that decided Gonzalez should be sent off.

by hindsight on Aug 15, 2010 8:25 PM PDT reply actions  

I would like to see them pull a Onstad

And not protect Keller. The guy has a nice house on Mercer island, there is mo way he’s leaving, any team that picks him will just lose him to retirement… or so I think we should consider bluffing anyway.

The names not on your list (as in we a suspect in losing) include Montano who is a player I am most excited about for the years ahead. Jaquan sure seems like a no brained for Portland to take (without considering there needs).

I guess I am just happy that we can only lose two – I sure expect to lose two though…

by Kevin Shields on Aug 15, 2010 10:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Steve Davis must have seen something I didn't

Because he put Sturgis as a starting midfielder in his team of the week. What?

by agtk on Aug 16, 2010 11:06 AM PDT reply actions  

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