I can accept that CONCACAF is a corrupt and despicable organization, run by a man named Jack Warner who is little more than a thug and a thief, but I cannot accept the deafening silence coming from MLS and Don Garber as the teams they are paid to support and represent are left in the dark. Instead of defending their league against the clear injustices occurring, MLS and Garber are choosing to pretend nothing is wrong, that everything is just peachy.
The Ginge is not happy with the silence out of the MLS league office regarding CCL officiating. Won't say the officials cost the Sounders last night's game, but in general I will say that the problem seems pretty bad.
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If he doesn't seem to care
about officiating in his own league, why would anyone expect him to care outside his league. On the other hand, I didn’t have too much problem with the officiating in the Sounders game last night. The AR who covered the North End last night doesn’t seem to know much about the offsides rule (couple instances in the first half where it wasn’t called against Monterrey but those didn’t amount to anything, then in the 2nd it cost us a goal). But the main referee seemed to be doing his job quite well. You could quibble with a call here or there as always but he seemed to be consistent. I know people had issues with Monterrey’s stalling but how is this different than even what occurred in the world cup. Not saying it’s right but it’s a soccer thing not a CONCACAF problem. Plus, Columbus last year at home was much worse. I know the comment above had to do with what happened to Columbus this week and in the past but there is absolutely no way the Sounders or fans (which includes me) can try and pin the loss against Monterrey on the officials.
by mark_s on Aug 26, 2010 10:03 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree
I didn’t think the officiating was great, but I left that game thinking the Sounders just didn’t do enough to overcome their mistakes.
by Clown baby on Aug 26, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
Main ref was pretty good. North End AR blew offside calls a good number of times, including the second goal.
by chrisperry1983 on Aug 26, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm on the south side of the stadium
fairly near the end line. I’m not sure the second goal was offsides. I think we got caught trying to trap and they played the perfect pass. I think it’s a tip your hat to the opponent situation.
Dang
Well I retract my statement then
by chrisperry1983 on Aug 27, 2010 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed.
The main ref did just fine. Lots of rolling around by Monterrey players, but the ref didn’t reward them for it. That alone was enough to make me happy with his overall performance. Some spotty calls by the ARs but the main ref? He was fine.
Now with more lemon bars!
Last night was a fairly well officiated match overall
But for the whole of the CCL that has not been the case, and there are many in the greater MLS blogosphere that are suggesting that there is anti-US bias in CCL refereeing.
Not poor officiating (ala MLS), but a “let’s figure out how to hose the Americans”
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Re: Azul's BS Goal off free kick vs. RSL last night
From FIFA’s laws of the game:
“For both direct and indirect free kicks, the ball must be stationary when the
kick is taken..”
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by johnjahafanclub on Aug 26, 2010 10:46 AM PDT reply actions
Sounder's goal called back?
I never saw a description of what the call even was on the goal called back. No call seemed to be made on the initial pass in and Jaqua couldn’t have been offsides on the rebound. Anyone see an explanation?
Offsides
on Montero. The ruling was that Montero was offside when the Monterrey defender mis-headed the ball backwards and Montero headed the ball on goal… It should’ve been a goal, but there is still some interpretation on the offside rule
by MMAWrestling on Aug 26, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
How is there interpretation of this?
Rule 11: “A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball touches or is played by one of his team”
Just for general reference:
and: 
Even if Montero is somehow allowed to be put offsides by an opponents pass, I don’t think he is. (pictures are linked to bigger versions)
I think your understanding is correct
The ref seems to have blown the call. Don’t see a conspiracy or anything, but it does appear our goal was improperly waved off.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Aug 26, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought I saw the replay
Where when the defender headed the ball Montero was behind the defender. The interpretation was with the defender and possession of the ball.
Not that it matters, but I thought it was a legit goal too.
by MMAWrestling on Aug 26, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
The rule for offside
is that if the ball is played by the other team you cannot be ruled offside. However if that play was not intentional (a deflection like last night) the player would would have to have been in an offside position when the ball was played by his own teammate. Montero was not in an offside position when the kick was taken and therefor the goal should have been allowed. The A.R. blew the call. Here is the text straight out of fifa laws of the game: A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of the referee,
involved in active play by:
• interfering with play or
• interfering with an opponent or
• gaining an advantage by being in that position
by seattlecubsfan on Aug 26, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, officials are not required to explain their calls
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We lose in CONCACAF…errr gotta figure some excuse.
not that we are a poor league….that wont go over well….how about whining about the reffing and getting paranoid!
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What does your statement have to do with Ginge's post?
the one linked here?
Because no one here has blamed the referees for the loss
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Have you watched any of the other matches?
It’s been beyond absurd.
by Aaron Campeau on Aug 26, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Who is this aimed at?
Who are these people blaming the refs for the Sounders’ loss?
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Aug 26, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
firstly I was speaking to the MLS as a whole, and the insane allegations made by multiple bloggers not just Dynamo Theory.
Secondly I have been watching the matches…all the matches, and the same stuff happens in UEFA champions league, EPL, La Liga, Seria A, ect.
Corruption allegation, complaints about referees, controversial calls (See World Cup)
The MLS as a whole seems unable to accept the fact that certain things are decided by human error.
MFUSA had a similar article up, I just assumed that people here had read it.
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I just don't get the 'read it there, comment here' thing
Those sites do have sections that allow you to reply. By commenting here, it certainly seems like you are commenting on items that have appeared here.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Aug 26, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Well seeing as the post had little to nothing to to with the Sounders, other then a line about how the officiating was fine last night (which I agree with).
I thought it would be implied that we were referring to the MLS as a whole.
In the future though, I will be sure to link another article.
As for the “read it there comment here” thing. IMO, I think we SHOULD do that, many sites on SBN have a “daily links” kind of thing, filled with different links from around the web about their team, and the readers (the community) discusses it on the site.
But, then again, who the hell am I to give advice for building blog-reader’s sense of community.
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Obviously, we want you to comment on stories we've linked
We provide lots of links to lots of stories around the web. The MFUSA story you referring to isn’t one. Why you’d assume we knew you were commenting on that story is beyond me.
If you were referring to the Dynamo Theory story, which would make sense, you caused confusion (at least in my mind and apparently others) by using ‘we’ when talking about complainers. The term "we" certainly made it sound like you were referring to Sounders fans since that is the community on whose site your commenting and to which, it is assumed, you consider yourself a member.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Aug 26, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
The refereeing in the CCL is egregious compared to in England or the Champions League
by Graham MacAree on Aug 26, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I would agree that the poor calls happen more often, but the basic premise of human error still remains. I don’t know when we as fans will be “happy” with the officiating.
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Fans will never be happy for a very simple reason.
Costs go up every single year. It is a simple matter of economics that the more someone pays for a product they expect the quality of the product to improve. Fans want a better product for their money and one glaringly obvious area for improvement will always be officiating.
There is a major regional league in the World that routinely gets the wrong end of calls
and is winless against its most significant competitor?
Where the 4th official is from one of the nations competing and makes errors in favor of his own nation’s team?
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I guess this is my clear disagreement with many people. I do not think its because the refereeing that we are losing, I think its the level of play.
I also find it hard to put much stock in this kind of talk because every game someone finds something to complain about with the refereeing, if we (we as in Sounders fans) after the game vs Chicago talk about how fair the refereeing was, I would be money that Chicago fans are talking about how unfair the refereeing was.
Now I admit I probably dont put enough> stock in this sometimes, but still after each contest one side will come out of it feeling like they got the short end of the stick, (crucial calls going the other way, constant non-calls for our team, diving in the box in the 92nd minute for the game winning PK), I get it it sucks. But IMO a ton of that is just post-match angst from the fans, players, coaches, ect. Not saying there is no truth to the matter, but the losing team nearly every time has something to say…some reason beyond their control that decided the game, coupled with their own failure as a team.
What I see happening is the buildup of this immediate raw, post game reaction and allowing that to solidify without going back and watching the proceedings again, and trying for a more objective take, with some careful fact-finding.
This is not to say that the bloggers who have brought this to the table, haven’t revisited the games and come to the same conclusion, but I don’t think the average joe soccer fan has.
As I have mentioned many times this happens all the time, yes with less frequency in the top flight leagues of the world, but the same basic fact remains human error sometimes governs the outcome of soccer games. And its arguable that it happens more in the MLS and I am frustrated by it too, I just doubt that if/when our refereeing for both league play and others reaches the global norm…whatever that may be…we as fans will be satisfied.
As I said before, I don’t think we are losing because of the officiating…I think its because talent-wise, we just can’t compete (yet).
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I think you'd find that almost everyone here agrees its talent, not refs
That said, if obscenely bad referring is just allowed to stand it helps no one. There’s a difference between complaining about refereeing quality and saying it cost us the game. I tend to think asking for better is reasonable.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Aug 26, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I have no real emotional involvement in the other games.
Sure, it would be nice for MLS to do well, but on a scale of 1-10 my level of passion is a 2 or 3. And the refereeing in these games is making me furious. Like, yelling at the TV and storming around the house furious. It’s so transparently awful that it’s insulting. I agree that talent is the main issue at play, but why should anyone take the CCL seriously when you know going in that the MLS teams aren’t going to get a fair shake?
by Aaron Campeau on Aug 26, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
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