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History Makes Cascadia Cup Unique in American Soccer

Cascadia Cup Crests Compilation courtesy of David Falk of www.goalseattle.com

 In light of match one being this weekend I have decided to bump the story back to the front page. Know Your History. This was guest written by David Falk of Seattle Soccer Examiner and the GoalSeattle network of sites.

I've been holding off writing about the upcoming reuniting of the Cascadia clubs in MLS in part because I keep getting this feeling that I am letting history have too much say in my view of it. When I think of Seattle Sounders v. Portland Timbers v. Vancouver Whitecaps I can't help but frame the derbies this way: Vancouver will be Seattle's toughest opponent on the pitch and Portland will be the biggest rival in the stands.

This thinking is really a blend of the old and the new, of North American Soccer League (NASL) results and United Soccer Leagues (USL) road trips. The toughest team for the Sounders to beat in the 1970's, outside of the New York Cosmos, were usually the Vancouver Whitecaps. The most contentious back and forth between supporters groups in the most-recent decade has been between Emerald City Supporters and the Timbers Army. Will it be any different in Major League Soccer in 2011?

The Cascadia Cup is a fairly recent creation in terms of these derbies. It almost seems like a miracle (and a lot like the recent joint effort of the three clubs' supporters in the recent away ticket issue) that back in 2003 we were all able to come together and agree to designate a cup trophy for the triangle derby. The Vancouver Southsiders, Timbers Army and Emerald City Supporters collected funds and a $450 cup was purchased from an Italian company. At the time the cup was unique, but since then I have seen more than a few of the same design around. A plaque on the base for winners was attached and by 2004 the "Cascadia Years" were underway.

Not being able to shake my founding theory that the Caps are the club to fear and the Timbers have the fans to hate, I decided to look back over the history of the cities in soccer and see if my gut instincts have even the slightest statistical backing. Three websites were of great help on the trip back: www.GOALSeattle.com , www.TimbersFanPage.com , and http://SeattlePitch.tripod.com.

Star-divide

Seattle and Vancouver entered the NASL together in 1974. That year the Sounders won the season series with the Caps. The entire NASL era looks like this in terms of who bested whom, counting all regular season matches played against. From 1975-1982 all three clubs were involved. Before the 1983 season the Timbers had folded.

North American Soccer League Cascadia Winners 

  • 1974-Seattle*
  • 1975-Portland
  • 1976-Seattle
  • 1977-Portland/Seattle/Vancouver (only 3-way tie in derby history)
  • 1978-Vancouver
  • 1979-Vancouver
  • 1980-Seattle
  • 1981-Vancouver
  • 1982-Vancouver
  • 1983-Vancouver**
  •  

So the NASL Years, also my formative soccer fan years, have left me with a healthy respect for the Whitecaps as a division one side. It's important to note that in those years (especially the late 1970's- early 1980's) Vancouver were also to be feared in the stands. They often brought giant sections of several thousand chanting, drunk fans into the Kingdome, and also brought "oogie, oogie, oggie, oi, oi, oi!" to the Emerald City for the first time.

The Portland Timbers love the rivalry when it is just between them and one other team. When the full derby is in play the Timbers tend not to win it. Portland's only year to take the derby all on their own was 1975. In the mixed bag years between 1984 and 2001 Portland managed a couple of season series wins against FC Seattle.

 

The Mixed Bag Years Cascadia Winners 

  • 1985-Seattle*
  • 1986-Seattle*
  • 1987-Seattle/Portland*
  • 1988-Seattle*
  • 1989-Portland*
  • 1990-Portland*
  • 1994-Seattle**
  • 1995-Vancouver**
  • 1996-Seattle**
  • 1997-Seattle**
  • 1998-Seattle**
  • 1999-Seattle/Vancouver**
  • 2000-Seattle**

*=FC Seattle v. FC Portland / Portland Timbers **=Seattle Sounders v. Vancouver 86ers

In 2001 all three clubs started playing each other in the same league again. It was also the year that the Vancouver 86ers changed their name to the Whitecaps. The clubs were in the A-League of the USL.

 

Pre-Cup USL Years Cascadia Winners 

  • 2001-Vancouver
  • 2002-Seattle
  • 2003-Vancouver

History has a way of giving us little gifts, and these derbies are full of facts and easter eggs. Did you know that Portland Timbers first and last matches in the NASL were against the Sounders? That the Timbers' first USL A-League match was also against Seattle? That Vancouver and Seattle have played each other in soccer well over 100 times? That Seattle opened BC Place in 1983 against the Whitecaps before over 60,000 fans? That Seattle's last match in the USL was a 3:2 loss at Starfire to Vancouver back in 2008?

The Cascadia Cup will be pushed to prominence in 2011. It's going to be big because it has such history behind it, and such passion in the air for it to return to its proper place as a three-way affair. Portland and Vancouver supporters voted to keep playing for the cup in 2009 and 2010, and as history shows the Timbers like such a set-up. They have won both season series against the Whitecaps in those years.

 

Cascadia Cup Winners These are the only ones listed in the sidebar trophy chest

  • 2004-Vancouver
  • 2005-Vancouver
  • 2006-Seattle
  • 2007-Seattle
  • 2008-Vancouver
  • 2009-Portland*
  • 2010-Portland*

*=Seattle in MLS

That's the way the cup was established. You try getting all three fan bases to agree on anything! Instead, a simple 2:1 majority makes the rules. Portland and Vancouver wanted the cup to continue, and so it did. As a Seattle supporter I was actually OK with this, though many were not. Asterisks are our friends. 

I expect when the 2011 season rolls around, and history grabs a hold of our three clubs once again, putting them in the same league as God has always intended, that I will wince at the TV up close shots of 'Soccer City USA's' Timbers Army. I'll watch with wonder to see if Vancouver also brings it in the stands. I'll consider the Whitecaps a rival for 'big club' status in the region with the Sounders. Their ownership, history and success in Cascadia can not be overlooked. And then there are the Timbers. Still in my mind a 'small club' fighting for both respect, approval and a place with their brothers. 

Are you keeping score? Adding up all the years looks like this: (Half shares for any shared title)

  • Seattle: 15.5
  • Vancouver: 12
  • Portland: 6

For just the three-way tournaments: (These have been added by Dave Clark for perspective)

  • Vancouver: 9.5
  • Seattle: 5.5
  • Portland: 1.5

Long live Cascadia!

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Cascadia, pride & glory.

The tri-valry is enormous. Very excited to celebrate the matches with friends and family. Can’t wait to travel away to make sure there’s one more Seattle scarf in the stands.

VIVA CASCADIA!!!

by AVUrlacher on Jan 1, 2011 1:43 PM PST reply actions  

Nice Article

But, it appears Seattle is the team that “likes” the 2-way match-ups the most.

by pecorasc on Jan 1, 2011 3:24 PM PST reply actions  

Look at percentile won rather than raw numbers

This is especially important when one team didn’t exist as often as the others.

35.4% for Seattle and 25% for Portland won in a 3 way

So while Seattle gained more raw titles in a 2 way, they did not get 75% from that fashion as Portland did.

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by Dave Clark on Jan 1, 2011 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

That is hilarious. Numbers are fun, aren’t they?

by pecorasc on Jan 1, 2011 3:58 PM PST up reply actions  

And let's not pretend

Vancouver owns this, as I view only the 3 ways as legit.

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by Dave Clark on Jan 1, 2011 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I completely agree with you on that.

by pecorasc on Jan 1, 2011 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

And thanks for stopping by

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by Dave Clark on Jan 1, 2011 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Lots of other two-team derbies with trophies

But none of them are three teams to my knowledge.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 1, 2011 9:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Well there is the Heritage Cup

Which was between the Earthquakes and Sounders, but should now include the Timbers, and Whitecaps because all 4 were in the NASL. Although that isn’t a 3 way and/or regional thing really…

and I guess if NY Cosmos come back it could be a 5-way…

by majora999 on Jan 2, 2011 1:01 AM PST up reply actions  

It's also barely a rivalry...

But it is another example, good point.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 2, 2011 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

It's not based on a rivalry

but since it’s Cascadia plus a team you can almost coincidentally consider it that.

I just thought of this… whoever wins the Cascadia cup will probably win the heritage cup unless the earthquakes are doing better than the cascadia teams.

by majora999 on Jan 2, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Heritage just doesn't have the history

Was Cascadia a big deal in 1976?

I’m guessing not really.

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by Dave Clark on Jan 2, 2011 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

The cascadia cup really takes way any cache it had

For the exact reason you point out. Whether the Cascadia rivalry officially existed pre Cup, it was always a rivalry. The Heritage Cup is more forced. I think it’s a cool thing for what it is – a cup created by fans – but it’s just not in the same class.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 2, 2011 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

An excellent way to learn your history

if you don’t know it already.

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by Dave Clark on Jan 1, 2011 10:20 PM PST reply actions  

Well...

Hard to make any predictions at this point: Whitecaps and Timbers rosters are incomplete. We’ll probably see a few more international signings and they both have high Superdraft picks…

Anything at this point is conjecture.

by Samuelson on Jan 2, 2011 1:21 PM PST reply actions  

But who would listen to Little old me anyway?

Chickity-check yourself before you Rec yourself.

by thehemogoblin on Jan 4, 2011 10:14 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I would

"But who would listen to Little old me anyway?"

-by thehemogoblin

by Little old me on May 9, 2011 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for bumping this

Missed it the first time around. A whole lot of history I wasn’t around for, but have been interested in knowing. Excited to see the next 50+ years of derbies. Lots of stories to watch and pass on.

As a side note, it is disappointing that the Hertiage Cup is being trumped by the Cascadia Cup this year, as I thought it had potential. If the Cosmos come back, maybe it has more meaning. But, beyond the Cosmos, who else could make it more than Cascadia +2? Rochester? Atlanta? Minnesota? San Diego? Tulsa?

Again, thanks David Falk for your legwork and perspective. This Saturday is going to be an awesome culmination of what is finals week for me.

by agtk on May 8, 2011 9:03 PM PDT reply actions  

That was sort of one of the NASL teams I was looking at

Moved to Minnesota for the ‘84 season, plus some indoor years. I guess that wouldn’t be all that different from what happened with the ’Quakes, or any more viable than the revived Cosmos.

by agtk on May 8, 2011 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tampa Bay Rowdies

They were actually good.

Shame about the Mutiny

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by sidereal on May 8, 2011 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

They could broaden Heritage Cup qualifying

to include USL teams then the Montreal Impact would qualify too.

by Threeball on May 9, 2011 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Montreal were not the Impact in the NASL

but the Olympique and the Manic

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by Dave Clark on May 9, 2011 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, what the hell?

Why don’t teams ever use Euro names that make perfect sense? Like Athletic Kansas City would have been perfectly acceptable.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on May 9, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

That wouldn't be a Euro name

It would be a French Canadian name.

But I also agree. I love Chicago Fire Soccer Club.

by Cornchops on May 9, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I suppose we're both right

Since there there are Olympique teams in France, but it’s using a French Canadian contruction

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by Jeremiah Oshan on May 9, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great rivalry

but how does the cup look like?

"The ability to speak does not make you intelligent"- Qui-Gon Jinn

by tomkanti on May 8, 2011 9:46 PM PDT reply actions  

That's a Xenocide sig?

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by Dave Clark on May 8, 2011 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

No

Xenocide is Qing-jao. This quote is from Star Wars.

"The ability to speak does not make you intelligent"- Qui-Gon Jinn

by tomkanti on May 9, 2011 6:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

How come that looks like a photo...

…taken in a baseball stadium? Assuming it’s at the old Beavers Stadium?

by bmvaughn on May 9, 2011 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

PGE was a baseball stadium

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by Dave Clark on May 9, 2011 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

One of the reasons I could never support the Timbers..

…is because their owner ran out the Beavers on the nearest light rail all in the name of getting his MLS franchise. And now that I’m back in the state of WA I have no problem putting my support behind the Sounders 100%.

by Timm Higgins on May 9, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hopefully..

..I’ll be able to make it to a Sunday match at some point this season. I’m a chef/co-owner of a restaurant in Bremerton and I’m usually behind the stove on Match Days. I’ve been come truly addicted…lol

by Timm Higgins on May 9, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

The beaver fans ran out the beavers

they were barely getting 2,000-2,500 fans on good nights. And when he brought in MLS he tried 3-4 different sites that were all rejected by city officials that would have kept the Beavers in portland. The beaver fans didn’t throw enoug of a fit to make the city officials take notice.

by Kazper on May 9, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

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