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Seattle Sounders Won't Add Seats For Cascadia, May Not Open Hawks Nest Afterall

The MLS offseason is a little long, but that doesn't mean it has been boring. In Sounders-land we've had the re-signing of two of our most popular players, the signing of an interesting international, the coming and going of several MLS veterans, a new jersey to fawn/fret/fawn/fret over and, of course, the still not entirely unsettled matter of Cascadia Cup tickets. Regarding that last matter, I figured it would be good to chat with Gary Wright — the Sounders' Senior VP of Business Operations — and Keith Hodo — the president of ECS — regarding the plans for Cascadia Cup. I also talked with Wright about other various aspects of ticketing and offseason plans.

The big news is this: There won't be extra sections sold for Cascadia Cup matches regardless of demand and it's looking to be unlikely that the Hawks Nest will be opened up for regular-season games. It also looks like the 500 tickets available to away supporters will be distributed through supporters groups and you'll almost certainly have to be a member to have access. Of perhaps less major interest is the Sounders apparently deciding not to go to Turkey for preseason training, as Wright said they will travel to Arizona and Florida only.

I'm sure most of these things will come as somewhat of a disappointment to many of you. I can't say that I totally agree with all the decisions myself, but I can say that I at least came away with an understanding of why the decisions were made the way they were and can't really argue with the logic.

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As far as the away ticket allocation itself, I don't really think there's much left to say other than maybe reiterating the fact that this really seems to be a joint decision on the parts of all three teams. While it's been reported that the Sounders were the ones tamping down demand, Wright said all three teams spent a significant amount of time and thought in agreeing to the decision to allocate 500 tickets to away supporters.

"I don't think there's any question that we were in total agreement on how many tickets to have," Wright said, noting that the decision was modeled at least in part on the NFL's allocating of 500 tickets to visiting teams. "All three teams want to make this a great experience.

"For the first year, it's a great test. Nothing is in stone forever."

Distributing those tickets will be the province of supporters groups. Just how supporters will distribute their tickets among the three main groups — ECS, Gorilla FC and North End Supporters — is still being determined, but you're probably going to have to be a member of one of those groups to get a ticket. ECS is planning to present the plan at next week's Alliance Meeting.

"Right now we're going to offer them to members," Hodo said, adding that it will most likely be on a first-come, first-serve basis. "The only point that we're sticking on internally is whether to allow people to buy one or two each."

As a point of reference, it's worth noting that ECS distributed more than 300 tickets to last season's U.S. Open Cup match at Portland on about a week's notice. Hodo estimated that there were about 500 Sounders fans in attendance. He also seemed to think 500 tickets would be plenty for the trip to Vancouver, B.C., as many members have expressed some concern over dealing with the border.

Opening Extra Sections

One way to potentially alleviate the potential ticket crush brought on by increased away support would have been opening extra sections for Cascadia Cup matches, assuming demand warranted it. Wright said that won't be happening. It had been suggested in the past, for non-MLS matches anyway, that if demand warranted additional sections to be opened up that the Sounders would consider doing that.

"We look at this as a total business," Wright said. "You have to establish a manifest and once you do that, you leave it at that level. If we open it up in one game, why not open it up for other games and then season tickets don't become as important.

"If you were just looking at it from the outside, geez they could sell 5,000 more tickets for that game, why not do it? That makes some sense, but there's an overall, business plan. Our goal someday is to sell the entire stadium, but you have to take steps to get there. Someday it will happen."

One step in that direction was expected to come this season. Toward the end of last season, Sounders owner Joe Roth expressed his hope that season-ticket demand would allow the Sounders to open the Hawks Nest for regular-season matches. The decision has not been finalized, but it's looking like that won't happen. At least part of that equation is the loss of advertising space. is

"The Xbox advertising is a major factor," Wright said. "We take tremendous pride in the fact that Xbox and Microsoft are our major sponsor. That piece of real estate is pretty iconic. That just jumps out at you on TV. That is a major piece of the puzzle.

"We have to do what's right by them also. They made a great leap of faith on the product before they knew what they were getting into. We have to be fair and right. They are a partner of ours, they are a teammate. We try to treat people right."

The uncertainty around the Hawks Nest, as well as finalizing where away supporters will be placed, is part of why many prospective new season-ticket holders don't know whether or not they'll get tickets. Wright said the seating configuration will be finalized in the next two to three weeks, and anyone who requested tickets should know their fate by then.

"It's all just totally tied in to the big picture," he said.

Sounders Preseason Plans

Wright noted that training camp officially opens on Jan. 19 and that, contrary to previous reports, the team would be staying in the United States throughout preseason. The Sounders will go to Arizona for a couple weeks and to Florida for a week, but will not be going to Turkey.

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I guess I’ll just buy my own tickets, then. I was trying to decide whether to sit with the supporters or not.

I’m fine with all of these decisions.

by Cornchops on Jan 11, 2011 9:33 AM PST reply actions  

“We look at this as a total business,” Wright said. "You have to establish a manifest and once you do that, you leave it at that level. If we open it up in one game, why not open it up for other games and then season tickets don’t become as important.

“If you were just looking at it from the outside, geez they could sell 5,000 more tickets for that game, why not do it? That makes some sense, but there’s an overall, business plan. Our goal someday is to sell the entire stadium, but you have to take steps to get there. Someday it will happen.”

I’ve read this three times and it still strikes me as a lot of words that say absolutely nothing… this isn’t an explanation and it involves circular logic. I would rather the explanation just be “because we said so” than this ridiculousness…

Chapter 4 of “Soccernomics”, people…

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by malcontentjake on Jan 11, 2011 9:37 AM PST reply actions  

You don't have to agree with it, and I don't, but it's not circular

What they are saying, and I thought I articulated this, is that they’ve decided how many tickets they can sell on an every game basis and they believe that increasing the number of tickets available for selected games degrades the value of buying season tickets. I think they are better off selling more tickets, but their logic is sound.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 11, 2011 9:46 AM PST up reply actions  

I do agree with them

Open up more seats without appropriate demand and season tickets lose their value. Season tickets lose their value, less people buy them. Less people buy season tickets, less people at the games, and the atmosphere suffers.

Good for them for taking a reasoned approach to this!

by PeterJH on Jan 11, 2011 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

this is all well and good...

until you consider that there is a precedent for expanded seating for specific matches. By falling back on the tired rationalizations of supply and demand – which they ignored for last year’s friendlies – and citing a “business plan” they are basically saying “we’re not doing it because we said so…”

We’re not opening seats because our business plan says we’re not opening seats = circular logic…

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by malcontentjake on Jan 11, 2011 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Their plan makes sense to me

I don’t think that’s circular logic. They’ve looked at how other clubs have approached this and made an informed decision. Now they’re sticking with that plan.

I’m a good example of why this is a good decision. If there were abundant tickets for each match (I.E. no one left out who wants tickets) I would probably just buy individual tickets for a handful of matches per year. As it stands, if I want to make sure I can go to the games I really really want to be at, I need to buy season tickets. Thus I end up going to some additional games that I might not have purchased tickets for individually.

by lefthand on Jan 11, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

2 matches

we’re talking about adding seats for two matches: Vancouver and Portland. To re-iterate, there is a precedent for opening seats for matches included in the season ticket package

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by malcontentjake on Jan 11, 2011 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Yield and Demand Management

is on increasingly shaky ground. To say that opening up more seats somehow cheapens the value of season tickets is, well, just plain silly and seems to serve only those who feel that the experience should be exclusively theirs….. not a segment of the population I’d be looking to encourage. I understand that there is a persuasive business argument behind creating perceived demand, but there’s plenty of evidence that such marketing practices run aground after a few years.

I guess in the end, I’m shaking my head and wondering how a half empty stadium creates demand more than a nearly full one with some combination of Portland/Vancouver/Seattle on the field?

by swansuite on Jan 11, 2011 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

There is value in exclusivity

When games and whole seasons are sold out, each STH becomes a “member” of something that not everyone can access. This generates perceived value and loyalty. The Sounders certainly are following an internal model even if they don’t articulate it very well

by lemonverbena on Jan 11, 2011 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

If you think all games are the same

It makes sense if you assume all games are equal. I think what most here think is that they can sell more for a PDX game than a KC or SJ game. Once you accept that the games are different, his statement that opening it up for one game means you must open it for all no longer makes sense.

by lysander on Jan 11, 2011 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

It’s okay to open more seats for a meaningless friendly included in a season ticket package, but not for important derby games?

F**k modern football.

+1. rec’d.

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by johnjahafanclub on Jan 11, 2011 5:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I also get the feeling

that the team does want people left out in the cold with regard to season tickets.

Wright said the seating configuration will be finalized in the next two to three weeks, and anyone who requested tickets should know their fate by then.

“It’s all just totally tied in to the big picture,” he said.

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by 108Ultra on Jan 11, 2011 10:15 AM PST reply actions  

Yes

Not to put words in Gary’s mouth, but I got the distinct impression that if the choice is between exhausting the waiting list to fill the Hawks Nest and leaving it the same but maintaining a waiting list, they are going to opt to maintain waiting list. Disappointing, but it does follow the same logic of the not opening more sections. A definite reminder that is is also a business.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 11, 2011 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Does their thinking have any real basis in reality/

If the Mariners just arbitrarily said they are capping their seating capacity at 25000 and thus selling out most games, would they automatically have greater attendance?

by Coug1990 on Jan 11, 2011 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

The Sounders are trying to maximize profit, not attendance

If the Mariners limited capacity in Safeco, it would likely be in an effort to drive up the per ticket price to the customers, and if the price increase more than offset the loss in ticket sales, they would come out ahead in revenue.

One reason the Sounders are doing it this way is that they believe the gameday experience is better for a fan sitting in a section that is full of other fans rather than in a section that is half-full of empty seats. Some ownership groups (the one in New England, for instance) would open the entire stadium, and offer lower priced tickets in the upper deck. This would spread fans out and could detract from the sense of being in the crowd that you get with the stands around you sold out.

Certainly a reasonable person can look at the situation and think they might do things differently, but the Sounders also have legitimate reasons behind their decisions. There’s no real provable way to say which strategy is best.

by ubelmann on Jan 11, 2011 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, I do agree with this

and I thought of this right after I typed it. The Sounders artificially are setting the attendance cap so they can keep ticket prices higher. It has nothing to do with being afraid of not selling out..

It also has a lot to do with selling a lot of season tickets and getting millions of dollars in the bank before the season even starts.

by Coug1990 on Jan 11, 2011 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

"For the first year, it's a great test. Nothing is in stone forever."

I’m hopefully that all three clubs are treating the first year of the derby as a test run. Assuming all 500 tickets sell and that there are no issues between supporters, hopefully the number will expand in following seasons – at least between the Sounders and Whitecaps who both seem to have enough capacity to go to 1000 or more…

Jeremian – How feasible would it be for the Sounders to open the Hawks Nest up twice a year for the home leg of the derbies? I’d love to see the matches become big enough to open it up for the away supporters – hopefully helping with crowd control – while opening extra seating up for Sounders fans.

by CMC_Stags on Jan 11, 2011 10:45 AM PST reply actions  

It's. Feasible but unlikely

Right now their clear stance is they don’t want to set precedent fir opening up seats for high demand games.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 11, 2011 11:46 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

but the HAVE set that precedent!!

This strikes right at the heart of so many issues which have been debated here on and the message boards! Friendlies were included in season ticket plans and were considered “high demand games” (at least in year one) that weren’t even competitive matches! The primary purpose of those friendlies was/is marketing. Oh yeah, and as for “trophies not friendlies”, the Cascadia Cup is a trophy that I think a lot of Sounders fans really want to win this year…

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by malcontentjake on Jan 11, 2011 12:06 PM PST up reply actions  

High Demand Games

Ok, it seems like we are possibly arguing about different things, and since only Jeremiah knows what they were saying,its probably important to get this figured out. Are the Sounder’s saying:

1. The number of tickets sold for every MLS game is going to be the same, regardless of demand

or

2. Once a number of tickets has been decided upon for any given game, that number will not be changed in response to high demand

I got the feeling that they were saying #2, and that the posters here are angry about #1. #2 actually makes a lot of sense from a business standpoint, while #1 is less reasonable.

by Little old me on Jan 11, 2011 1:13 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

disagree

the issue is the precedent set with the friendlies. Everyone knew beforehand that they were paying for these tickets as part of their package and that capacity would be increased. There were three such matches. By announcing a “carry-over” of this policy to this year, the three matches being the one friendly, plus the two Cascadia matches, the Sounders are operating entirely within their established business model.

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by malcontentjake on Jan 11, 2011 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Sort in violent agreement here

If everyone knows in advance that the Derby matches will have more seats- perfect. That’s what I believe should be done.

But if tickets sold out to a Derby match a month early, so they opened more sections, which in turn sell out, and in response open more sections- that is a terrible precedent to set.

I agree the precedent has been set to not follow #1 w/ regards to friendlies, and that the FO should follow that precedent with regard to the derbies.

I totally support them following #2. If I never have to worry about big games being sold out, I have much less incentive to buy now.

That said, the only way to make them open more seats in the future, is to be clear how many potential ticket-buyers are left out in the cold come game day. Annoying and frustrating- but true.

As an aside- we definitely need to organize purchasing game day tickets for the away matches as soon as they become available. Pockets of support are better than a total intermixing.

by Little old me on Jan 11, 2011 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Should have said high demand reg season

The scope of our convo was regular season games. Again I’m interpreting but I’d say their stance is no. 2 in that they want to set number of tix available for any game not sell as demand warrants.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 11, 2011 1:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

There's a practical difference

Whereas last years friendlies weren’t sellouts it’s not as costly to have empty seats. Since games aren’t big tv draws the lost advertising not as important. Like I said, I see the reasoning

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 11, 2011 2:01 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

It sucks that the club opens up the entire stadium for meaningless friendlies, yet refuse to do so for these two games that would have drawn larger crowds than we received for many of our friendlies in 2010. How backwards is that thinking?

I also find it sad that the club values covering up seats with advertising more than filling those with passionate, loud fans. Appears to me that their values are in the wrong place.

by SounderFan on Jan 11, 2011 1:49 PM PST reply actions  

Let's do some math

For the Sounder’s strategy to pay off you have to assume one of two things of the extra people who will be not be able to go to the high demand games (HDG):
1. They will be tipped over to buying season tickets to ensure they can go to the HDG.
2. If they can’t afford season tickets, they will at least go to another low demand game or two.

The question you have to answer is how many will fall into one of these categories and how many will simply not go to ANY games. If 1 out of every 18 are tipped over to being STH they would break even on the year and increase the atmosphere in every home page. If it’s not as many as 1 in 18 but a bunch of them end up going to another game, the Sounders still do well.

I’m also curious to know what everyone thinks the increased demand for the Portland game would be. If they pulled the tarps back and let everyone in, how many extra people would show up, 1,000, 5,000, 20,000?

by lefthand on Jan 11, 2011 1:51 PM PST reply actions  

My guess is 8-12k extra

I’m sure if fo thought they could guarantee a sellout they’d do it. They don’t think they can yet.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 11, 2011 2:04 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Make them cheap

Or even give them away to college kids. It is only one game. Might as well introduce as many people as possible to the sounders once a year. They make up for the loss in ticket sales with the increased hot dog and beer sales as well as increase in season ticket demand for next year.

by lysander on Jan 11, 2011 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

This is an important point

Upper deck seats can be sold at a discount to lower deck seats, but making them too cheap risks annoying your core consumers.

by ubelmann on Jan 11, 2011 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

nope, because the core have their seats

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by Dave Clark on Jan 11, 2011 8:23 PM PST up reply actions  

and they still would

if the sounders had cheap seats in the nosebleeds for one game to give more people a taste of the sounders. So why would the core be annoyed?

by lysander on Jan 11, 2011 8:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Except you are asking for two games not one

And at some price discount you get to the point where a person could go to the 12 games they actually want to see for cheaper than a season ticket.

So they don’t renew next year.

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by Dave Clark on Jan 11, 2011 8:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I am only asking for one.

But even at two it is no big deal. The people who have season tickets next year for the most part had them before PDX and VAN even joined so you can not say that that is the reason they bought the tickets. And I am not syaing that you keep expanding to give away tickets to more and more games.

I am just saying that giving away or making your product really cheap but available to more people is not a bad business strategy. Companies do it all the time. For the sounders it would give more people a taste of what sounder games are like (a really good taste actually) it would take care of the whole away supporters issue that has fans across the region upset at them, and it would give them money immediately in terms of concession sales.

by lysander on Jan 11, 2011 9:02 PM PST up reply actions  

You think they should only open one of the two Cascadia games?

How is that logical?

Discounted tickets devalues what current holders paid. Discount enough and someone decides that they might as well just buy a dozen single seats rather than a season ticket.

So they don’t buy the season ticket.

And then they only go to four games.

And the team loses money.

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by Dave Clark on Jan 11, 2011 9:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Logical?

You explain the logic perfectly. You give a taste of the product (one game). It gives more people that otherwise would not have made it to a game an idea what sounders games are like. Give away too much and people will start making decisions like you are suggesting.

but again… how many current season ticket holders would do your math and decide it is more advantagous to buy single game tickets? You think when given the choice of 17 good tickets, or save 50 bucks and go to 5 less games and get crappy seats for cheap for the best game of the season? Oh and deal with the headache of buying single game tickets rather than a package.

by lysander on Jan 11, 2011 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I think they have given a number of opportunities for people to get cheap seats to see what the games are like.

Such as the Community Shield friendly they had with Portland last year. Tickets were $10 for adults $5 for kids, and I believe you could sit anywhere you wanted.

by Mind of no mind on Jan 11, 2011 10:43 PM PST up reply actions  

And the Open Cup Final

and the CCL matches

Still the season ticket waiting list isn’t big.

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by Dave Clark on Jan 11, 2011 10:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Bigger than had they not done that.

I am not saying it is a magical thing that will lead to 100K people wanting tickets next year. I am saying it would help. Just as it helped in the examples you have given.

by lysander on Jan 11, 2011 10:49 PM PST up reply actions  

They see they need for huge chunks of new season ticket holders at a time

getting a few dozen more won’t cause them to open sections.

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by Dave Clark on Jan 12, 2011 5:45 AM PST up reply actions  

all seats the same?

I assume you seats are in the lower deck and not the nosebleeds they would be giving away, right? I suppose the resale value of the PDX game might go down, but somehow I doubt many STH bought their package to resale the PDX game so I doubt anyone would really care much.

by lysander on Jan 11, 2011 8:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Without Freindlies...

Why not make one derby opened up completly beforehand. Sell tickets as much as possible. Train in fans from PDX, give them away to college students, and fill the whole uper deck.

The result: Happy away fans, happy hard core home fans that want the stadium open, happy college kids that will become hard core fans, happy fence sitting fans that had not bothered trying to get the hard to find tickets. And happy front office that will get a lot in hot dog and beer sales and also has introduced 10’s of thousands of fans to Sounders MLS games of which many will sign up to be on next years waitlist for season tickets.

by lysander on Jan 11, 2011 2:32 PM PST reply actions  

It would really help if they came out and said what their goal and plan was

I mean, we sold out every MLS game in 2010, right? So… if that was sold capacity of 37,000 (making up a number), then it stands to reason in 2011 we will have a sold capacity of… 37,500 per game? 38,000? Or am I completely misunderstanding the business of making money?

by joesz on Jan 11, 2011 3:35 PM PST reply actions  

their goal is to sell out all of qwest for league matches

their plan is to get their by slowly increasing available seating and selling those seats.

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by Dave Clark on Jan 11, 2011 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

How much was the capacity increase from 2009 > 2010 > 2011 so far?

Seeing that might help people chill out, to see the pattern or a pattern.

by joesz on Jan 11, 2011 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

The increase from 2009>10

Was about 8,000 from the beginning of the season. This year, they are considering not expanding at all. The reason, as best I could tell, is that demand doesn’t warrant another expansion.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 11, 2011 5:47 PM PST up reply actions  

how big was the waitlist for 2010 season tickets, versus the waitlist now?

remember with 2010 the season tickets did not sell out until a few weeks after the season started, even with that large waitlist.

will the current waitlist fill those seats that were not renewed this time around?

by PeterJH on Jan 11, 2011 6:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure the waitlist will fill the departed ones

But I don’t think the waitlist is quite as robust as we’d like to think, at least not good enough to make opening the Hawks Nest a no-brainer. Hope that answers your question.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 11, 2011 6:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Its small enough the # isn't public

if it was huge I’m certain they’d be trumpeting it

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by Dave Clark on Jan 11, 2011 6:33 PM PST up reply actions  

It's been a tough year economically

Demand might increase more once people are more certain that they won’t suddenly lose jobs.

by Dizzo on Jan 11, 2011 6:57 PM PST up reply actions  

The Sounders also have data on secondary ticket sales through their website...

…so they have some idea of what ticket demand is like for season ticket holders selling individual tickets. They also didn’t come particularly close to selling out the game against Monterrey, or Metapan. The Sounders currently have a very strong base of fans on which to draw, but it’s not really clear that there’s a ton of unmet demand at the moment. And if they happen to open the Hawks next, then have a poor season, they might be in the embarrassing position of looking at closing it for next season.

by ubelmann on Jan 11, 2011 7:49 PM PST up reply actions  

how could they get more demand?

Maybe by getting more people in to see a big exciting game?

by lysander on Jan 11, 2011 8:24 PM PST up reply actions  

yes

The big freindlys in 09 did increase demand alot. Did you forget that already?

The CCL matches where not big exciting games (unfortunately).

by lysander on Jan 11, 2011 9:40 PM PST up reply actions  

No, they didn't

Demand for Sounders tickets for league matches did not go up after the friendlies in a great degree.

Capacity did not increase dramatically. Of the 35,000+ greater than capactiy that went to 2009s friendlies we only saw capacity increase by a couple thousand.

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by Dave Clark on Jan 11, 2011 10:44 PM PST up reply actions  

that not good?

That is pretty good return I would say. Roughly one out of ten people getting season tickets the following year is not good?

Anyways.. I am tired of arguing about it. If you think getting more people to a game does nothing for season ticket sales the next year that is fine. I believe otherwise.

by lysander on Jan 11, 2011 10:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Two things

One, MLS games are different from friendlies, so their ability to remove the tarps is different. Xbox pays for the Hawks Nest for MLS games. So, assuming they even have the contractual flexibility to remove the tarps for league games, they’d have to refund a bunch of money to Microsoft for the loss in advertising.

Not so with friendlies. The Friendlies are obviously outside the deal they have with Microsoft, so they can open up however much of the stadium as they want.

Secondly, why do we care about Portland’s obnoxious fans coming to Sounder’s games? PGE is small. There aren’t going to be any extra sections of PGE to magically open up to allow us to go there en masse. So why should I care about rolling out the red carpet for them? Same with Vancouver. They also have a small 20k seat stadium which will likely be sold out for the entire season leaving not much in the way of extras for our fans to buy.

by Jack Brando on Jan 11, 2011 4:44 PM PST reply actions  

BC place isn't that small

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by Dave Clark on Jan 11, 2011 5:23 PM PST up reply actions  

They won't be at BC Place until some nebulous time in the summer

Their temporary stadium has a 20K capacity for soccer, and construction projects are delayed all the time. That makes it difficult to make any promises right now. Going forward, that could definitely change.

I’m sure that Vancouver also has a ton of things to get figured out right now, too, as they prepare to hugely ramp up their operations.

MLS isn’t going away tomorrow. A little patience in letting everyone ramp things up could well be worth it in the long term.

by ubelmann on Jan 11, 2011 8:00 PM PST up reply actions  

They are selling season tickets based on BC Place

not Empire.

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by Dave Clark on Jan 11, 2011 8:22 PM PST up reply actions  

BC

Place is also a CFL stadium home of the BC Lions that can hold up to 55k or so.

by gstommylee on Jan 11, 2011 5:33 PM PST up reply actions  

BC Place...

Holds 60,000, but for the MLS it will hold 20,000, covering the upper bowl, similar to what they have done in Seattle.

by Island Savage on Jan 11, 2011 9:20 PM PST reply actions  

They'll have the same option the Sounders do

They could increase capacity whenever they want.

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by Dave Clark on Jan 11, 2011 10:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Anywhere from next week until Feb 1

According to RSL Media Relations.

I am not a Supporter | I am not a Fan | I am a Sounder
Sounder At Heart

by Dave Clark on Jan 12, 2011 5:46 AM PST up reply actions  

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