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MLS Draft 2011 Recap: First Round Maneuvering Rules the Day

When analyzing how this draft works out for the Sounders almost all of the attention will be on Michael Tetteh. Sure, he was only picked 20th, so most would have low expectations, but let's remember this line that Adrian Hanauer told Jeremiah yesterday,

Even the trading down thing was really risky, but we felt like the potential rewards were higher than the risk. We guaranteed some allocation money and still had our four picks in top 29. I'm really not kidding you when i say it was just a shockingly fortunate draft.

They got the guy they wanted, put more allocation dollars in the tank and then proceeded to get 4 more guys they wanted. There are differing opinions as to how the Sounders draft went. Pro Player Pipeline only gives it about a 76% with 4 Cs and a B-.

Others though are a little higher.

3four3 blog's Gary has seen a bit of Michael Tetteh. To say that he was impressed would be a bit of an undersell.

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However, I think he makes a strong case as an outside back. Forget his defensive responsibilities, his potential to be special is in his play on the ball. He has the technical quality of a midfielder and the capacity to open up defenses with his runs on the wing. This is something the US also lacks. Our defenders are horrific on the ball when compared to their international counterparts. Where’s our Danny Alves and Maicons?

Well, MLS might have a closer version with Tetteh.

Overall
Technical Quality: 8
Soccer IQ = 7
Physical = 8

As a SoCal based coach I asked him about the other players, and he gave us this insight into Carrasco

I have never seen Cervando Carrasco play.
What I can tell you is that our player, who went to the Vegas combine, told us that this kid was the ONLY player of the lot who had game. I completely trust our boy's opinion (he knows). 

Seattle went into this looking to add depth at outside mid, fullback, center mid and keeper. Let's review who will at least fill out the Reserve level through this Draft. A new look at the Depth Chart will be forthcoming.

20 - Michael Tetteh - Left Wingback, Left Midfielder, Left Wing
21 - Juan Cruz - Centerback, Right back - you can follow him on twitter
27 - Servando Carrasco - Center Defensive Mid, Center Mid
29 - Bryan Meredith - Keeper
47 - Alex Caskey - Center Mid

What intrigues me most though is that Seattle was just using a different draft board than everyone else. These are talents they wanted, and could have seen going higher. Sure the roster is a bit packed right now. There may need to be some creativity in shoehorning everyone into the roster space and salary cap.

But that's one of the things that Hanauer and Co. like about the league. It isn't just money, but a certain skill and talent to find players who fit. Yesterday, the Seattle Sounders FO managed to get creative enough to find a first round talent in the 2nd round. While they didn't get the high-end talent that trading up would have, the depth added grants them a grade of a B+.

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I think draft grades are silly.

Its like being in a class room, watching people take tests, and based on how they look taking the tests, you grade their ability without seeing the results.

But grades are fun.

I give the Sounders an A!

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by JWAY on Jan 14, 2011 9:37 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

Exactly

Especially since one can’t grade, scout or get all hot and bothered about the on-the-ball abilities of Allocation Money.

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by 108Ultra on Jan 14, 2011 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

And

One of the best work-ethics I’ve ever seen. Not to mention being fluent in every language. It really does wonders to improve the dynamic of the locker room as well.

by Little old me on Jan 14, 2011 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

That all went in unexpected directions

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by 108Ultra on Jan 15, 2011 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I never get excited about drafts...

since it inevitably takes two or three years to even judge whether or not the picks panned out. At this point, the way I see it is we added 5 more prospects into the system, and if any of these guys contribute this season then its just a bonus…

...that's MISTER Keller to you!!!

by malcontentjake on Jan 14, 2011 9:49 AM PST reply actions  

I get excited about HOW they drafted

NOT the results

That’s a difference that I feel is important.

I actually think we can grade the 09 draft now. We’ve seen two years of those players.

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by Dave Clark on Jan 14, 2011 9:53 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

So how would you grade it?

I’d give it a B+. The first pick of the draft’s pretty easy since you can take whomever you want. Some people might say Omar Gonzalez was a better pick, but for my money Zakuani was the right choice. Fucito was a late round steal. Evan Brown and Jared Karkas were total busts.

by Dizzo on Jan 14, 2011 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

I think if you can get one good contributor in a draft

and another player that adds depth, that is a great draft.

In 09, they drafted one great contributor and drafted another player that added depth.

In 10, the book is still out, but it is not looking good at this time.

by Coug1990 on Jan 14, 2011 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes, but...

I don’t give high marks to getting one great contributor in the draft when you have the 1st pick. There should be at least 1-3 very well known prospects ready to start in any draft.

by Dizzo on Jan 14, 2011 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Unless you have two top 10 picks...

I don’t know that anyone expects to find two players that can contribute right away.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 14, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

It's funny

the team with two top 10 picks managed to only get one guy who could play right away, and he’s the biggest stretch.

by TheTank123 on Jan 14, 2011 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

All sports have number one picks that bust

Too me, even if you have the number one pick, I still give them credit.

by Coug1990 on Jan 14, 2011 5:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Was going to say this

Glad someone else did. Hate to sound like an apologist :)

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 14, 2011 5:22 PM PST up reply actions  

It was only six years ago that local player Nik Besagno was the number one pick in the Superdraft

He is currently playing with the Kitsap Pumas of the PDL. There are no guarantees and I do not think we are being apologists.

by Coug1990 on Jan 14, 2011 6:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Liked to hear

that they first tried for a move up. History teaches us that the average difference in talent from a top-5 draft pick to the 10th, is much greater than that between the 10th and the 20th.

I wish I remember who had the stats showing as much- but will look if anyone really cares to see it.

by Little old me on Jan 14, 2011 2:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Seperate Combine

I wonder how much of the Sounders differance of opinion is due to them running their own combine. I think thats where Estrada made a big impression last year. Do other teams have their own combines as well?

by DarthGreedo on Jan 14, 2011 10:25 AM PST reply actions  

Houston did this year

a few others probably

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by Dave Clark on Jan 14, 2011 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

RSL had a combine in Arizona

So, the three teams with arguably the best front offices in MLS all held their own combines.

http://keepinitrealsoccer.com/2010/12/rsl-open-combine-dec-14-16-in-casa-grande/

by Dizzo on Jan 14, 2011 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Houston top three FO?

They used to be more respected before doing things like trading away Wondolowski for Cam Weaver and signing the massive fat DP bust Luis Landin.

Win or lose, we will always be here for you.

by johnjahafanclub on Jan 14, 2011 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Did you see them yesterday?

IMO the biggest winner’s of the day. Unless you count DCU getting Kitchen’s as skill on behalf of their FO- Houston out-maneuvered everybody.

by Little old me on Jan 14, 2011 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Houston had a great draft

but they are not a top 3 front office in MLS overall

Win or lose, we will always be here for you.

by johnjahafanclub on Jan 15, 2011 7:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Dizzo was not referring to ranking FO's by the draft

he said Houston were top 3 FO overall. I think that used to be true but I don’t think it’s true anymore.

Win or lose, we will always be here for you.

by johnjahafanclub on Jan 15, 2011 7:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Is anyone else surprised about the CB pick over an RB?

I know he can probably play a serviceable outside back but after Riley we have absolutely no one…I feel like our CB depth is much greater than on the right side.

by TheTank123 on Jan 14, 2011 10:35 AM PST reply actions  

No, there's a guy down there....

The club may think of Ianni as depth their so he gets more MLS starts

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by Dave Clark on Jan 14, 2011 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Good point, hadn't thought if Ianni

I was thinking he might get pushed forward into a CDM role. I think he could pair well with Alonso.

by TheTank123 on Jan 14, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Still they could use a young RB for reserve games

The Sounders are still going to have a lot of reserve games. I would think they’d want a young RB to mold during those games rather than someone who is already a proven commodity (like Wahl) or closer to the end of their career (like Scott).

by Dizzo on Jan 14, 2011 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I also agree with this

It will be interesting to see how it all plays out. Like I said yesterday, I imagine they are going to sign Okoli from the Academy team before he goes to college. Maybe that’s where they are looking to fill some spots from. It really is too bad Palodihcuck can’t be tagged as a homegrown, he’s a hell of a player.

by TheTank123 on Jan 14, 2011 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Team is also trying make Jamel Wallace a FB

Presumably a RB, but that’s where they see him having value at this point.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 14, 2011 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Interesting

I assume he could be one of the ‘trialists’ Adrian talked about having in preseason this year in post-draft interviews.

by Nevtelen on Jan 14, 2011 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Valentin

Was all I was hoping for. Would have been an awesome match.

by Little old me on Jan 14, 2011 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you'd be surprised

Most Akron fans think Chad Barson had a better season than Valentin.

by TheTank123 on Jan 14, 2011 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

But he doesn't play on the left...

Which for whatever reason seems to be lacking at all levels in US play- quality left backs.

by Little old me on Jan 15, 2011 11:25 PM PST up reply actions  

True

That was a dumb, sleepy thing of me to say. I just read and reread my comment. Best excuse I can come up with is that it was late. And we drafted Tetteh. I dunno… ignore me when I’m being dumb.

by Little old me on Jan 16, 2011 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

my guess

They see Wahl as being able to play either side effectively.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 14, 2011 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

excuse me??

He has trouble the left side efectively (in league anyway). Not someone I see as a replacement should Leo go down for an extended period of time. IMO. Remember he was here and they still went out signed Leo.

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by Ravengreen on Jan 14, 2011 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

We're talking backups, right?

Point being, I don’t think they’re getting too locked into treating players as LB/RB as much as they looking for quality FBs.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 14, 2011 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Sigi did say that they do draft talent over position

While they likely wanted a RB, there probably was not a right back that they had rated very high.

by Coug1990 on Jan 14, 2011 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Also a good point.

I can’t wait to see Tetteh and Zakuani on the same side. Zakuani gives team fits, I can’t imagine what it’s going to be like when they also have to worry about the overlapping runs.

by TheTank123 on Jan 14, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

+1

My first thought after drafting Tetteh: Sweet penny pinching miracle!

Immediately followed by: Holy Crap, Him and Zak. …. Holy CRAP!

by Little old me on Jan 14, 2011 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I was surprised

I thought a RB pick was very likely. They either must have someone already in mind or no one really impressed them at the combines. Perhaps we see Akeem Adams back at training camp?

by Dizzo on Jan 14, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

This article will dominate Google results for "Manauvering"

But I think “maneuvering” is what you were going for there.

by lemonverbena on Jan 14, 2011 11:23 AM PST reply actions  

fixed

thanks

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 14, 2011 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Statistical analysis of draft picks

I found a link to a good blog with statistical analysis of previous draft picks using playing time on Stumptown Footy’s blog. Here’s the link: http://onfooty.com/category/mls-superdraft. Unfortunately, I didn’t see it until after the draft, but we can use it to look at the odds that our picks will stick with the team.

Approximately 25% of players picked in the first two rounds never make an appearance in MLS. Fifty-two percent of players selected with picks 21 or higher never start an MLS game and are out of the league within 3 years. Defenders are more likely to get minutes and stick in the league. Midfielders are the most likely to under-perform. There’s not a large enough sample size of GKs for a good analysis.

So, based on the numbers, Tetteh is the only one that can reasonably be expected to start in MLS at some point in the next 3 years. Less than half of the remaining picks are likely to still be in the league in three years. Cruz is the most likely to succeed since he’s a higher pick and a defender.

by Dizzo on Jan 14, 2011 1:23 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

But but but...

Fucito and Zak…

One can hope, yes?

by Orothar on Jan 14, 2011 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

#1 picks are generally successful

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by Dave Clark on Jan 14, 2011 1:35 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

It's about signings

I think the Sounders pretty much made a statement that the draft is for suckers. Like you said, second round stars in the MLS draft are not likely. It happens, but not very often. To me this was all about getting some allocation dollars and filling up the reserve league.

Tetteh seems the only one we’ll be talking about beyond mid season. Considering how much starting talent they signed as discovery and DP in the last 12 months, they’ve pretty much made it clear, we will build through international signings and we don’t much care for NCAA talent. Drafts are for making the numbers work out on the roster.

Yeah yeah long schedule… open cup etc, but these guys seem like long shots to even make the 18, let alone make the field.

by blakec on Jan 14, 2011 1:48 PM PST up reply actions  

To put it another

You can say the best draft class of all yesterday was the Kitsap Pumas.

by blakec on Jan 14, 2011 1:50 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I feel like any sort of historical analysis is going to fall short

The talent pool in the US is only getting stronger and deeper, and MLS is getting deeper pockets, so fewer of the top talents are escaping overseas. That means draft classes which are improving over the years. Even if the draft doesn’t improve, I feel like it is still a very important place to help build your team.

In baseball, a ton of first-round picks flame out. But at the same time, most of the All-Stars in the league were selected high in the draft. The numbers you cite here don’t particularly convince me that the draft is a bad place to find talent. It’s just that it can’t be the only place you look for talent. Just skimming over the list of Generation Adidas players here, there are a lot of guys who play regularly for their team in MLS. (And I noticed Sturgis, Ianni, and Jaqua all were GenA players.) If you did a similar analysis of the ‘06-’10 MLB draft, you’d probably see even less of an impact made in MLB by those players, yet many of those players could still play hundreds of games even if they haven’t seen a single game in the majors yet.

I think there’s merit in not getting too caught up in draft hype, but I think there’s danger in going too far in the other direction. This year, from all accounts, it seems fair to say that the Sounders were targeting a few top players, and when they couldn’t get them at #11, or couldn’t find a partner to trade with, they thought they would try their luck hoping that their needs and views would be different than other teams and that for the specific circumstance they found themselves in, they could get pretty equal value in the second round and took some allocation money to move down.

Fifty-two percent of players selected with picks 21 or higher never start an MLS game and are out of the league within 3 years.

At first glance, it appears the stats you linked to were done on a study of the 2006-2010 drafts. The players from the ‘08, ’09, and ’10 drafts haven’t even had the opportunity to fail out of the league after three seasons, since there’s only been (at most) three seasons for those players. On top of that, any data-only look at the draft is going to make it look worse than it actually is, because players going overseas on transfer will count as having dropped out of the league.

Look at the 2006 draft, for example. Jozy Altidore was 1) a Generation Adidas player, 2) picked 17th, and 3) out of the league after three years. He also has 32 caps with the US senior national team. Klejstan’s played a bunch for the USMNT and is playing overseas now. Wynne and Ballouchy both played a bunch for the MLS Cup champs last year. McCarty was the top pick in the re-entry draft and was a big part of what FC Dallas did last year. Movsisyan did well in the league and is overseas now. Garey had 86 caps for Columbus. Bornstein’s later down in the draft, has a bunch of USMNT caps, and is now playing in Mexico. Kei Kamara’s done pretty well for himself.

Wahl, Ianni, and Sturgis were all in the top 20 of the draft, and all managed to stick around on the Sounders’ roster last year in a playoff year. Even Wahl has made 16 appearances for the team over the last two years.

So I think you have to be careful. You can’t put too much stock in the draft, but I also don’t think you can look back at something like the 2006 draft and say the draft isn’t a place to find good soccer talent. Some of the 2011 draft picks can’t even smoke yet and it could be 15 years before we really have a good handle on what their career has been like. Luckily for us, I think the Sounders have struck a good balance between using the draft to add talent to the roster and moving picks around to get other resources (like allocation money.)

by ubelmann on Jan 14, 2011 3:19 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

+1

Very good points. I wasn’t trying to bash our incoming class of rookies. I was mostly posting it because it was an interesting look at the draft.

Still, it puts things perspective. Everyone of these guys is going to have toe work hard to stick in the MLS.

by Dizzo on Jan 14, 2011 4:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

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