Primary Role Depth Chart
While the Sounders have more players under rights control than they can have signed, barring use of the Injured List, one could look at a simple depth chart just by a player's primary role and see that they have depth capable of starting. It is unlikely that someone not currently under rights will make the senior roster, but with the MLS Transfer Window not closing until mid April, things could happen.
What is more likely is that the Team invites a handful of players to camp that are currently not rights controlled so as to have some competition, and possibly look at players for the Reserve League games. Players like Jamel Wallace, Tye Perdido, Jordan Jennings, Akeem Adams and others should be expected to be back in camp at the least.
Many of the Sounders can play multiple roles, so the "holes" in this depth chart are only guides. For example Right Back may only be two deep on this chart, but Brad Evans, Patrick Ianni, Jeff Parke and Juan Cruz could all slide there. The biggest hole though is still in the Defensive Midfield. Certainly there are a few players who could step into the CDM behind Osvaldo Alonso, but the fall-off is significant. Alonso can't play every game, and who takes his non-starting appearances may determine the success of Seattle's non-League season.
The following depth chart is in the 4-1-3-1-1 that Sigi has typically used when fully healthy. It could be described as a +W as well, as the fullbacks do get forward, nearly as often as the CDM.
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Nkufo Jaqua White |
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Zakuani Montano |
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Montero Fucito Noonan |
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Fernandez Levesque Estrada |
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Friberg Evans Seamon Caskey |
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Gonzalez Tetteh Wahl Earls |
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Alonso Carrasco |
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Riley Scott |
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Hurtado Parke Graham |
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Ianni Baudet Cruz |
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Keller Boss Meredith |
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The hardest position to fill was actually the two attacking wings, as most of the players listed on the right have appeared on the left at times. Miguel Montano is listed there as I expect him to be starting most non-League and Reserve Games this season, and that would seem to be his most opportune spot. Obviously the competition in training camp will clarify the depth chart and we'll look at weekly movement. The next one will go up when the full list of training camp invitees is announced. Here at Sounder at Heart the team roster has been updated. Players not under contract, but under control of the Sounders are listed as "Inactive." Players on the injured list are listed as injured.
What are your thoughts on the current depth? Do you prefer just the primary role depth chart, or should it include secondary or other roles as well?
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Noonan
Wouldn’t mind seeing Noonan off the chart. That would free up some cash to bolster our relative hole at right back.
I'm wondering if he starts the year on the IL
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definitely.
he wont play much even if he makes the team so its time to part ways.
Thoughts on formatting for Depth Charts
Primary Role only?
Secondary too?
All roles a player is capable of slotting in for 30 minutes?
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I think
you should do one for secondary.
i agree.
if you want to put in the work i wouldnt mind seeing the one with all roles a player is capable of playing for 30 minutes though
Going that far may offer too much clutter
for example, right wing would go to 12 players
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Your old list style would work.
Doesn’t it seem like Tetteh is probably number two at left back and left wing?
Maybe a formation chart two deep. Then a list version below, with full depth at all positions. Though I don’t know that you need to go more than 5, 6 deep. When would we ever see our seven string right winger?
I mike this better
It’s much easier to see needs this way. Perhaps a second chart for non-league/reserve games?
by Dizzo on Jan 16, 2011 12:40 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
So primary and secondary roles on a visual chart
lists for overall depth
Oh, and I was pondering including Academy guys, but maybe that should be for Reserve charts?
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that would probably be reserve
and depending on college plans we could only have most of them for half of the season
I would only include Academy in Reserve charts.
They’re not going to get much time, eh? Unless we have some meaningless games. Even then, we have plenty of other players who need time on the field.
yes, if I listed multipl roles
but if they see his future as a LB, they will have to play him there a lot. too much time as a LW could slow his defensive development
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I'd prefer that he was our future LB,
and that he start there as soon as possible. However, it may be tempting to put him in at LW, since no one else really stands out as Zak’s back-up. Maybe Fucito gets time there?
Hopefully, he sticks as the first off the bench
and starts occasionally. And in non-league.
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I would stick to primary only.
It keeps it clean and easy to read and i think most readers here are smart enough to know who can slide.
The trouble is with
leaving it primary only is since we have new players from draft and going to get maybe new players from supplemental draft, not everyone knows what other potential spots they can play at.
Question was asked of me about the "bold" players
those are the ones that I feel are capable of starting league matches on a regular basis. They will always be in the 18 when healthy.
I will also refer to a player as a “Rotational” meaning a player who can start on occaission, but not regularly. They will nearly always be in the 18. “Substitutes” are ones that might start a few matches, but generally just late appearances. They would often be in the 18. “Reserves” are players who won’t usually appear in the 18, and with the new Reserve League would find almost all of their starts in those matches.
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who do you think will probably make the 18
for the sub outside mid??
like what fernandez was this year.
do you think one person will make it most of the time or do you think it will be up to who plays well in training that week.
Fucito is still my hope
Levesque and the non-starter of Friberg/Evans should see a lot of time like that too
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So by my usage names, but by how I expect to see Sigi use them
Starter (all bolded guys): 16 – Keller, Leo, Tetteh, Hurtado, Parke, Ianni, Riley, Zakuani, Alonso, Friberg, Evans, Fernandez, Montero, Fucito, Nkufo, Jaqua
Rotationals: 5 – Wahl, Baudet, Levesque, Seamon, White
Subs: 7 – Boss, Montano, Estrada, Earls, Scott, Graham, Noonan
Reserves: 4 – Meredith, Cruz, Caskey, Carrasco
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Two questions on starters:
Does this reflect your belief that Gonzalez will ultimately keep his starting job? And do you think Ianni will start over Parke?
Well in both cases
I listed multiple starting quality players. For CB I actually think early in the season we’ll see Parke/Ianni tandem. Due to role flexibility Parke may get more starts as a CB, while Ianni will get more total playing time.
At left back I do list Leo above Tetteh, but as the season goes I hope that shifts.
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See, i’ve got to think Hurtado will start. He’s too good to not see as many starts as possible. There’s probably something to be said about Ianni, but Parke/Hurtado has the most talent on the defensive side possible.
Which brings up a new question; if Alonso went down or needed a day off, as is probably going to happen, could Ianni step in there? Seems like that solution would leave the least drop-off.
Ianni has been used there several times
and at right back.
I don’t expect Hurtado to start in mid-March due to health concerns. Is a March win worth him re-injuring the ACL?
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He actually has played some casual pick up games with players already
but that doesn’t mean real match fitness.
9 month recovery on an ACL is rare
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He was training for last couple months of season
But training and being match fit are huge differences.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 16, 2011 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
i dont think hurtado will be starting in march
they wont want to re-injure him. also he hasnt played in a match for a really long time. so i would suspect he might be on the bench at the beginning of the season gradually getting more playing time. instead of sticking him right in there.
We've got too many players
How do reserve team players work against the senior roster and cap? Caskey seems the draft pick least likely to see time; can he be signed to the reserve team? Can Perdido, Wallace, Jennings, etc., be signed to the reserves?
And is there a reason we can’t just not sign Noonan, maybe Earls? Release them?
The 30 man roster limit
INCLUDES reserve players.
Noonan is under contract.
Baudet and Earls are not.
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So then,
players on the 30 can be on/play with the reserve team. But can players be signed to the reserves but not be on the 30?
My understanding of the Reserve team
the only players not on the 30 that can play on it will be Academy guys.
Senior Roster = 20
Developmental Roster = 4 (GA players count here, unless more than 4)
Reserve &/or HomeGrown Players = 6
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When is training camp?
When does training camp begin? Also, can you explain allocation money and why they were ecstatic to get it during the draft trade? Will it help out to get another good player? Thanks! Love this blog! You guys are freak’n studs, LOL!
by Pauly "Pablo" Morris on Jan 16, 2011 5:11 PM PST reply actions
Players start reporting this week
but Media availability starts on the 25th of Jan.
Allocation dollars are monies that can be spent off the salary cap.
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We really need a post that goes through rules pertaining to the salary cap.
I believe you’ve done one before. Seems like the allocation dollar question comes up at least 2 or 3 times a week. Maybe put a link to the post explaining the salary cap situation in the left hand navigation menu and just direct new posters there, a la lookoutlanding?
by magistermilitum on Jan 18, 2011 11:13 PM PST up reply actions
I'll try to make the one there already more clear
and update it.
Probably going to host Q&A soon
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I've been known to see I'd like to see Fucito on the wing
and I’ll re-iterate that here
this is as good a stab at it as I could muster. I’d imagine guys like Fernandez and Friberg will appear on the wings and in the middle,, but multiple listings would just clutter this up too much
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by malcontentjake on Jan 16, 2011 10:21 PM PST reply actions
I think I've settled on something
3 deep per position
2 wide for the players
List format for more.
Two Tiers of Depth Chart – Senior & Reserves
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Ianni can play CDM as well
So while we’re probably least deep at that position, between Carrasco and Ianni, I think we have ample coverage for Alonso there.
I’d argue we have more of a depth problem at LW.
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by Michael Wiegand on Jan 17, 2011 3:24 PM PST reply actions
If Ianni is starting at CDM it means he's not at CB
Which means Graham and who ?
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Baudet, Graham and Cruz
In that order of depth. Baudet, we know can start based on his experience at Colorado. Graham has started USOC matches for us. And Cruz probably needs another year or two to develop.
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by Michael Wiegand on Jan 17, 2011 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
Baudet and Cruz
are not currently under contract though.
by gstommylee on Jan 17, 2011 4:09 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Like I said
This will be interesting to revisit in a couple months
by Little old me on Jan 17, 2011 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
Can't Ianni also cover over at right-back if need be?
Or is that a myth…
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Many of the Sounders can play multiple roles, so the “holes” in this depth chart are only guides. For example Right Back may only be two deep on this chart, but Brad Evans, Patrick Ianni, Jeff Parke and Juan Cruz could all slide there. The biggest hole though is still in the Defensive Midfield. Certainly there are a few players who could step into the CDM behind Osvaldo Alonso, but the fall-off is significant. Alonso can’t play every game, and who takes his non-starting appearances may determine the success of Seattle’s non-League season.
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