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Primary Role Depth Chart

How does David Estrada fit into the Seattle Sounders depth chart before training camp officially opens?

While the Sounders have more players under rights control than they can have signed, barring use of the Injured List, one could look at a simple depth chart just by a player's primary role and see that they have depth capable of starting. It is unlikely that someone not currently under rights will make the senior roster, but with the MLS Transfer Window not closing until mid April, things could happen.

What is more likely is that the Team invites a handful of players to camp that are currently not rights controlled so as to have some competition, and possibly look at players for the Reserve League games. Players like Jamel Wallace, Tye Perdido, Jordan Jennings, Akeem Adams and others should be expected to be back in camp at the least.

Many of the Sounders can play multiple roles, so the "holes" in this depth chart are only guides. For example Right Back may only be two deep on this chart, but Brad Evans, Patrick Ianni, Jeff Parke and Juan Cruz could all slide there. The biggest hole though is still in the Defensive Midfield. Certainly there are a few players who could step into the CDM behind Osvaldo Alonso, but the fall-off is significant. Alonso can't play every game, and who takes his non-starting appearances may determine the success of Seattle's non-League season.

The following depth chart is in the 4-1-3-1-1 that Sigi has typically used when fully healthy. It could be described as a +W as well, as the fullbacks do get forward, nearly as often as the CDM.

Star-divide

 

 

Nkufo

Jaqua

White

 

 

Zakuani

Montano

 

Montero

Fucito

Noonan

 

Fernandez

Levesque

Estrada

 

 

Friberg

Evans

Seamon

Caskey

 

 

Gonzalez

Tetteh

Wahl

Earls

 

Alonso

Carrasco

 

Riley

Scott

 

Hurtado

Parke

Graham

 

Ianni

Baudet

Cruz

 

 

 

Keller

Boss

Meredith

 

 

 

The hardest position to fill was actually the two attacking wings, as most of the players listed on the right have appeared on the left at times.  Miguel Montano is listed there as I expect him to be starting most non-League and Reserve Games this season, and that would seem to be his most opportune spot. Obviously the competition in training camp will clarify the depth chart and we'll look at weekly movement. The next one will go up when the full list of training camp invitees is announced. Here at Sounder at Heart the team roster has been updated. Players not under contract, but under control of the Sounders are listed as "Inactive." Players on the injured list are listed as injured.

What are your thoughts on the current depth? Do you prefer just the primary role depth chart, or should it include secondary or other roles as well?

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Wouldn’t mind seeing Noonan off the chart. That would free up some cash to bolster our relative hole at right back.

by kjogel on Jan 16, 2011 11:42 AM PST reply actions  

definitely.

he wont play much even if he makes the team so its time to part ways.

by Sandra_R on Jan 16, 2011 12:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Good stuff

Will be interesting to revisit in 2 months.

by Little old me on Jan 16, 2011 11:49 AM PST reply actions  

Thoughts on formatting for Depth Charts

Primary Role only?
Secondary too?
All roles a player is capable of slotting in for 30 minutes?

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by Dave Clark on Jan 16, 2011 11:56 AM PST reply actions  

I think

you should do one for secondary.

by gstommylee on Jan 16, 2011 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

i agree.

if you want to put in the work i wouldnt mind seeing the one with all roles a player is capable of playing for 30 minutes though

by Sandra_R on Jan 16, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Going that far may offer too much clutter

for example, right wing would go to 12 players

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by Dave Clark on Jan 16, 2011 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Your old list style would work.

Doesn’t it seem like Tetteh is probably number two at left back and left wing?

Maybe a formation chart two deep. Then a list version below, with full depth at all positions. Though I don’t know that you need to go more than 5, 6 deep. When would we ever see our seven string right winger?

by Cornchops on Jan 16, 2011 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I mike this better

It’s much easier to see needs this way. Perhaps a second chart for non-league/reserve games?

by Dizzo on Jan 16, 2011 12:40 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

So primary and secondary roles on a visual chart

lists for overall depth

Oh, and I was pondering including Academy guys, but maybe that should be for Reserve charts?

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by Dave Clark on Jan 16, 2011 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

that would probably be reserve

and depending on college plans we could only have most of them for half of the season

by Sandra_R on Jan 16, 2011 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I would only include Academy in Reserve charts.

They’re not going to get much time, eh? Unless we have some meaningless games. Even then, we have plenty of other players who need time on the field.

by Cornchops on Jan 16, 2011 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

yes, if I listed multipl roles

but if they see his future as a LB, they will have to play him there a lot. too much time as a LW could slow his defensive development

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by Dave Clark on Jan 16, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd prefer that he was our future LB,

and that he start there as soon as possible. However, it may be tempting to put him in at LW, since no one else really stands out as Zak’s back-up. Maybe Fucito gets time there?

by Cornchops on Jan 16, 2011 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

that was his 09 role

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by Dave Clark on Jan 16, 2011 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Both?

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by JWAY on Jan 16, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Both of three options?

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by Dave Clark on Jan 16, 2011 12:06 PM PST up reply actions  

There was only two options when I posted...

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by JWAY on Jan 16, 2011 3:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I would stick to primary only.

It keeps it clean and easy to read and i think most readers here are smart enough to know who can slide.

by Jo-Jo on Jan 17, 2011 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

The trouble is with

leaving it primary only is since we have new players from draft and going to get maybe new players from supplemental draft, not everyone knows what other potential spots they can play at.

by gstommylee on Jan 17, 2011 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Question was asked of me about the "bold" players

those are the ones that I feel are capable of starting league matches on a regular basis. They will always be in the 18 when healthy.

I will also refer to a player as a “Rotational” meaning a player who can start on occaission, but not regularly. They will nearly always be in the 18. “Substitutes” are ones that might start a few matches, but generally just late appearances. They would often be in the 18. “Reserves” are players who won’t usually appear in the 18, and with the new Reserve League would find almost all of their starts in those matches.

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by Dave Clark on Jan 16, 2011 12:05 PM PST reply actions  

who do you think will probably make the 18

for the sub outside mid??

like what fernandez was this year.

do you think one person will make it most of the time or do you think it will be up to who plays well in training that week.

by Sandra_R on Jan 16, 2011 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Fucito is still my hope

Levesque and the non-starter of Friberg/Evans should see a lot of time like that too

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by Dave Clark on Jan 16, 2011 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

So by my usage names, but by how I expect to see Sigi use them

Starter (all bolded guys): 16 – Keller, Leo, Tetteh, Hurtado, Parke, Ianni, Riley, Zakuani, Alonso, Friberg, Evans, Fernandez, Montero, Fucito, Nkufo, Jaqua

Rotationals: 5 – Wahl, Baudet, Levesque, Seamon, White

Subs: 7 – Boss, Montano, Estrada, Earls, Scott, Graham, Noonan

Reserves: 4 – Meredith, Cruz, Caskey, Carrasco

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by Dave Clark on Jan 16, 2011 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Two questions on starters:

Does this reflect your belief that Gonzalez will ultimately keep his starting job? And do you think Ianni will start over Parke?

by Agent_J on Jan 16, 2011 12:14 PM PST reply actions  

Well in both cases

I listed multiple starting quality players. For CB I actually think early in the season we’ll see Parke/Ianni tandem. Due to role flexibility Parke may get more starts as a CB, while Ianni will get more total playing time.

At left back I do list Leo above Tetteh, but as the season goes I hope that shifts.

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by Dave Clark on Jan 16, 2011 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

See, i’ve got to think Hurtado will start. He’s too good to not see as many starts as possible. There’s probably something to be said about Ianni, but Parke/Hurtado has the most talent on the defensive side possible.

Which brings up a new question; if Alonso went down or needed a day off, as is probably going to happen, could Ianni step in there? Seems like that solution would leave the least drop-off.

by Agent_J on Jan 16, 2011 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Ianni has been used there several times

and at right back.

I don’t expect Hurtado to start in mid-March due to health concerns. Is a March win worth him re-injuring the ACL?

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by Dave Clark on Jan 16, 2011 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Hurtado

Wasn’t he starting to work out around playoff time? He should be in fine shape to play.

by Agent_J on Jan 16, 2011 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

He actually has played some casual pick up games with players already

but that doesn’t mean real match fitness.

9 month recovery on an ACL is rare

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by Dave Clark on Jan 16, 2011 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

He was training for last couple months of season

But training and being match fit are huge differences.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 16, 2011 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

i dont think hurtado will be starting in march

they wont want to re-injure him. also he hasnt played in a match for a really long time. so i would suspect he might be on the bench at the beginning of the season gradually getting more playing time. instead of sticking him right in there.

by Sandra_R on Jan 16, 2011 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

We've got too many players

How do reserve team players work against the senior roster and cap? Caskey seems the draft pick least likely to see time; can he be signed to the reserve team? Can Perdido, Wallace, Jennings, etc., be signed to the reserves?

And is there a reason we can’t just not sign Noonan, maybe Earls? Release them?

by Cornchops on Jan 16, 2011 12:42 PM PST reply actions  

The 30 man roster limit

INCLUDES reserve players.

Noonan is under contract.

Baudet and Earls are not.

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by Dave Clark on Jan 16, 2011 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

So then,

players on the 30 can be on/play with the reserve team. But can players be signed to the reserves but not be on the 30?

by Cornchops on Jan 16, 2011 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

My understanding of the Reserve team

the only players not on the 30 that can play on it will be Academy guys.

Senior Roster = 20
Developmental Roster = 4 (GA players count here, unless more than 4)
Reserve &/or HomeGrown Players = 6

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by Dave Clark on Jan 16, 2011 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

When is training camp?

When does training camp begin? Also, can you explain allocation money and why they were ecstatic to get it during the draft trade? Will it help out to get another good player? Thanks! Love this blog! You guys are freak’n studs, LOL!

by Pauly "Pablo" Morris on Jan 16, 2011 5:11 PM PST reply actions  

Players start reporting this week

but Media availability starts on the 25th of Jan.

Allocation dollars are monies that can be spent off the salary cap.

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by Dave Clark on Jan 16, 2011 5:14 PM PST up reply actions  

We really need a post that goes through rules pertaining to the salary cap.

I believe you’ve done one before. Seems like the allocation dollar question comes up at least 2 or 3 times a week. Maybe put a link to the post explaining the salary cap situation in the left hand navigation menu and just direct new posters there, a la lookoutlanding?

by magistermilitum on Jan 18, 2011 11:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll try to make the one there already more clear

and update it.

Probably going to host Q&A soon

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by Dave Clark on Jan 19, 2011 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I've been known to see I'd like to see Fucito on the wing

and I’ll re-iterate that here

this is as good a stab at it as I could muster. I’d imagine guys like Fernandez and Friberg will appear on the wings and in the middle,, but multiple listings would just clutter this up too much

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by malcontentjake on Jan 16, 2011 10:21 PM PST reply actions  

I think I've settled on something

3 deep per position
2 wide for the players

List format for more.

Two Tiers of Depth Chart – Senior & Reserves

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by Dave Clark on Jan 16, 2011 10:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Ianni can play CDM as well

So while we’re probably least deep at that position, between Carrasco and Ianni, I think we have ample coverage for Alonso there.

I’d argue we have more of a depth problem at LW.

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by Michael Wiegand on Jan 17, 2011 3:24 PM PST reply actions  

If Ianni is starting at CDM it means he's not at CB

Which means Graham and who ?

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by Dave Clark on Jan 17, 2011 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Baudet, Graham and Cruz

In that order of depth. Baudet, we know can start based on his experience at Colorado. Graham has started USOC matches for us. And Cruz probably needs another year or two to develop.

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by Michael Wiegand on Jan 17, 2011 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Baudet and Cruz

are not currently under contract though.

by gstommylee on Jan 17, 2011 4:09 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Like I said

This will be interesting to revisit in a couple months

by Little old me on Jan 17, 2011 4:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Third Paragraph
Many of the Sounders can play multiple roles, so the “holes” in this depth chart are only guides. For example Right Back may only be two deep on this chart, but Brad Evans, Patrick Ianni, Jeff Parke and Juan Cruz could all slide there. The biggest hole though is still in the Defensive Midfield. Certainly there are a few players who could step into the CDM behind Osvaldo Alonso, but the fall-off is significant. Alonso can’t play every game, and who takes his non-starting appearances may determine the success of Seattle’s non-League season.

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by Dave Clark on Jan 19, 2011 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

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