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Instant Analysis of US/Chile match

Getty thinks this player's name is "Diskerud Mixx".  Nice work.

I was fortunate enough to have access to ESPN3, so I could watch the US C-team take on the Chilean B-team while listening to the dulcet tones of John Harkes rather than hearing it in a language I barely understand on Telefutura.

I'm not going to bother grading every player. I'll just pick out some performances I thought stood out.

The Good

Diskerud - With his gorgeous assist to Agudelo in South Africa still fresh on US fans' minds, there was some pressure on Mikkel to maintain that standard, and he didn't disappoint. The US has a wealth of holding central midfielders and wingers, but few mids who can hold their own in the offensive center, and that seems to be Diskerud's area. He was confident on the ball and provided a number of accurate, well-weighted passes through the offensive third. The attempted bike was a little silly, but I forgive him.

Loyd - His dangerous overlapping runs kept the left sideline alive despite the presence of Shea (more on that later). And his Delap-esque throwins looked lethal. Decent defense. I could see him opposite Lichaj in 2014.

Bunbury - Not much game time, but the left wing became dangerous the moment he replaced Shea. Took the penalty confidently. Deserved a ball back from Agudelo in the 85th that would have turned into a great chance at another goal.

Star-divide

The Bad

Shea - Wow. On the heels of a disappointing showing in his first senior team game in October vs Columbia everyone was hoping the Brek would bounce back with a strong game. Instead it was even worse. I lost count of the number of giveaways on what should have been easy, short passes. A number of them came in the US defensive end, which is unforgiveable. And playing in a 4-2-3-1 formation requires the wingers to provide service back to the center, but I can't recall a single threatening ball from Shea on the wing. On the plus side he had a decent flick in the box in the second half and he earned a yellow with a dive.

Franklin - The Galaxy's right back is one of the best in the league at his position, but he didn't show much tonight. He provided no offensive threat coming out of the back, leaving Bedoya alone to hold the right wing. The one moment on offense I can recall from him is a cross from midfield in the 91st minute that was 15 yards too long. You'd hope that such a total commitment to defense would shut down the defensive right flank, but he didn't show much there either. He was inches away from giving up a penalty early in the game and was beaten a number of other times.

Wynne - What's he doing at center back? Oh, giving up goals.

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Thanks for posting this

These are the games I used to watch obsessively but now just don’t have the time. What did you think of the 4-2-3-1 in general?

by brokejumper on Jan 22, 2011 9:28 PM PST reply actions  

Can't really draw any formation conclusions from this crew

Not likely that more than 3 or 4 of them will turn into USMNT regulars. What matters is how Jozy/Donovan/BradleyTheYounger/etc adapt to it. It needs good wing play to work, and Brek was a mess at Bedoya was meh.

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by sidereal on Jan 22, 2011 9:42 PM PST up reply actions  

im excited for the future of this team

agudelo and bunbury forward partnership

with diskerud feeding them. that good be really good!

by Sandra_R on Jan 22, 2011 10:04 PM PST reply actions  

ummm...did you forget about a little fella

named Jozy Altidore? Also, Bedoya showed a lot of promise in the second half.

by jacobcda on Jan 22, 2011 10:31 PM PST up reply actions  

4-2-3-1...

is what we have the personnel to run,its what we should have run in South Africa; it will be a good long time before I can forgive Bob Bradley for his starting lineup against Ghana…
having said that, I’d be surprised if more than 2-3 of these players featured tonight get significant time in the Gold Cup this summer…

...that's MISTER Keller to you!!!

by malcontentjake on Jan 22, 2011 11:37 PM PST reply actions  

The most significant thing about this 4-2-3-1 isn't that he used it

He’s done that in the past.

Its that he used it after practicing it for those many days of January camp with a younger group. That’s an indication that it is the new primary shape.

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by Dave Clark on Jan 23, 2011 9:16 AM PST up reply actions  

absolutely.

The only real weakness we (USMNT) really have in this formation is the inability of our RB/LB’s to participate in the attack. When Bocanegra is playing LB, there is simply no way he has the speed to roam up the sideline. Cherundolo can send in a great cross from the right, and makes good overlapping runs, but isn’t really the ideal sort of “marauding” fullback.

I think Jozy would thrive as the lone striker in this formation though.

by jacobcda on Jan 23, 2011 9:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Obviously I'm a fan of 4-2-3-1 variants

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by Dave Clark on Jan 23, 2011 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I disagree

Is it to obvious to point out that USMNT looked atrocious until they brought in the two strikers and switched to 442/4411? Both yesterday and in South Africa.

And I’m going to assume that the fact that Clint Dempsey is fifth in the EPL with nine goals as a striker will finally snap Bob Bradley out of thinking he’s a midfielder. We were always more dangerous when Clint moved up top at the world cup.

With that said, it’s hard to imagine the 4231 fitting our squad. Dempsey and Altidore/Davies and Altidore/Aguedelo and Bunburry…however you want to shake it out, it seems like we will always be better suited with two attackers, at least in this iteration of the roster. Further, the anecdotal evidence of the last two friendles shows that the side was dreadful in both matches until switching to two up top.

Don't play a dangerous game.

by Hul10 on Jan 23, 2011 6:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not a tactical expert...

but I thought the CAM role in a 4231 is more of a classic #10. Distributor and playmaker ala Holden. A player that operates in traffic as opposed to a player operating in space and running the channels.

I just can’t see any of the five strikers I listed pushing off Holden for the CAM role. I also dont think any of the five I listed are better suited being placed inside as opposed to up top. I mean, in a 4411 you’re withdrawn, but you’re still operating in space.

I know much of this is academic. A 4231 can easily morph into a 4132 on attack ala Germany. It just seems to me like it was clear that the US played much better with the two strikers working in a partnership, and looking at our roster, I dont agree that we are best suited for a 4231. But whatever. Formations are strange things. Almost not worth the debate, as the parts that make up the formation are far more important then the supposed shape itself.

Don't play a dangerous game.

by Hul10 on Jan 23, 2011 9:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Dax McCarty

After watching this match I’m so glad Portland passed along McCarty. He had a pretty good match. If it weren’t for the massive depth the US team has in his position he would have forced himself into the conversation for more playing time.

by DarthGreedo on Jan 23, 2011 12:28 AM PST reply actions  

this continues to be one of the strangest off-season moves of the year

I’ve said I liked the Timers off-season as a whole, but until they’ve acquired a clearly better CM, this will continue to look like a significant mistake.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 23, 2011 9:13 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

It's even worse for Dallas

At least the Timbers acquired something for Dax in trade.

by Dizzo on Jan 23, 2011 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

True but...

At least Dallas has a replacement in their minds… Alexander. Portland supposedly has someone lined up but its taking a lot longer for them to bring him in and announce him then they said it would. Makes me wonder if things have changed on them.

by DarthGreedo on Jan 23, 2011 4:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought Mix Did not have a good game

I thought he had a lot of giveaways and was not dangerous or creative. In stark contrast with his SA performance in my opinion.

Granted, my view of the game was somewhat obscured by AO scarves, american flags, arms, etc… and i had 10 beers in me, so I may not have the best take on this one.

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by johnjahafanclub on Jan 23, 2011 6:02 PM PST reply actions  

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