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Sounders' roster, work in progress

note: this is presented as a "work in progress" and I am posting it now for references purposes at the start of training camp...

 

Building a "Superclub"

 

in the 2008/9 premiership, Manchester United boss Alex Ferguson used an incredible 33 players in the 38 League matches his team played to win the title that year.  Thirty Three!  Granted, Man U. was involved in not only the Prem., but the Champions League, as well as domestic cup competitions that year. but is still seems an astonishing number.

 

It also reveals a fundamental truth.  A "super club" like ManU doesn't have a "first 11" or a "second 11", its a little more subtle than that.  Let's take a team which is facing 5 competitive matches in a 14-day span (a situation Sounders fans are familiar with from late last year).  It is not as though you are going to field your first 11 in your Sunday League match and your second 11 the following Wednesday in Continental competition, or vice versa, because to do so would be to risk fielding a weakened side.  It is more about a pool of 22 players, from which you can draw an altered 11 for each of the 5 matches, keeping any one player from getting too burned out. 

 

What this takes is true roster depth, not just starters and reserves, but true rotational players and what I call "regulars" the guys who may not start all the time but get a lot of appearances in all competitions.  Building this kind of depth also takes a system, which creates an understanding amongst all players as to where they fit in when and if they play.  A "system" doesn't need to be one rigid formation and each player simply assigned to one specific role, it can be a lot more open than that, but it needs to be developed and known amongst all the players.

 

For the Sounders, we have what has come to be known as "Sigi's Arrow" around here, and we can use this as our starting point for addressing the issue of roster depth:

 

position grid:

 

----------CF----------

----------WF----------

--LW-----------RW--

----------CM----------

----------DM----------

-LB---------------RB-

-------CB---CB-------

 

Dave has is system of Starters, Rotationals, and Reserves, but with the 30 man roster I feel there is a need for more layers to this.  I propose a hierarchy of starters, regulars, backups, and reserves.  Dave's "rotationals" would encompass some of my "regulars" and "backups", and his "reserves" would include some of my "backups" as well as "reserves". 

 

Here's how I would Attempt to define these terms:

 

STARTERS: START [about] 90% or more of League matches.  These are the players you EXPECT to see in the starting line-up; it is noteworthy when they DO NOT start a League Match. [there will not necessarily be 11 "starters"]

Regulars: APPEAR in at least [about] 50% of ALL matches.  These are the players who, along with the "starters", will receive the bulk of playing time in all competitive matches when not injured or suspended.

Backups: These are the players whose primary time in League matches is when someone ahead of them is injured or suspended.  They are likely to see significant time in non-League matches.

Reserves: These are players who will see limited playing time and whose primary duty will be to fill in for non-League matches.  They may appear in league matches if there is an injury or availability crisis at their position. 

 

 

Star-divide

 

 

The next question is who fits where on the current Sounders roster (plus just supplementary drafted players).

 

Here's my stab at how this would work:

 

[note: If I am not specifying a right or left wing, I just list the player as a winger: W.

If I am not specifying a withdrawn or center forward, I list the player as forward: F

if I am not specifying a left or right back, I list the player as a fullback: FB

if two positions are listed, the primary position is listed first.]

 

STARTERS

Keller             GK

Gonzo            LB

Parke             CB

Hurtado          CB

Riley               RB

Alonso            DM

Zakuani          LW

Montero          WF

 

Regulars

Ianni*               cb, dm?

Evans*            cm, dm?

Friberg            cm, w?

Fernandez*      w, cm

Nkufo                cf

Jaqua               cf

Fucito*            wf, w?

Levesque*      f, rw

 

Backups

Wahl*               lb, cb

Tetteh*            lb, lw?

Scott                rb

Baudet            cb

Carrasco          dm

Seamon          cm

Montano            w

Noonan*            f, w

White                 cf

Boss                 gk

 

Reserves

Earls                 lb

Cruz                  cb

Graham            cb

Attaway            rb?

Caskey            cm

Morris               cm?

Estrada            w

Meredith          gk

Ford                 gk

 

* note: a player ay be a "backup" or "reserve" at two positions, and as such this dual role may promote him to a "regular" or "backup".

Ianni: I would consider him a "backup" at DM

Evans: at best a "backup" as DM, if at all.

Fernandez: probably only a backup at CM

Fucito: including him on the depth chart as a winger is my speculation, as such I would consider him a "backup" there

Levesque: probably a "backup" at any one position; but combining the role of either forward or right wing elevates him to "regular"

Noonan: probably a "reserve" at any one position, similar situation to Levesque. 

Wahl: a reserve at CB

Tetteh: at best a reserve as a winger, if at all.

 

Questions:

What will the CF situation be?  Will Nkufo/Jaqua split time (keeping in mind that even if it is a 2-1 or 3-1 split they will still both be "Regulars" on this chart)?  What is O'Brien White's role?

Is Fernandez the clear choice for right wing, and will he be a "Starter?" 

What is the CM situation?  Is Friberg likely to primarily play there, and if so what does this mean for Evans?  Will Fernandez see time there?

Will Fucito see significant time as a "Regular" as a the winger?

What is the DM situation.  Will Ianni see time there as a "Backup"?  What about Evans?

And, or course, there are the ongoing questions about who fits where on the depth chart.  Is Estrada more than a "Reserve" (I list him here based on last season)?  How will the Fullbacks shake out (specifically, will Tetteh be a "regular")? 

 

breaking it down, position by position...

stregnth ranking: 5 points  for STARTER, 4 for regular, 2 for backup, 1 for reserve

 

CF: 2 Regulars, 1 backup, 1 reserve:

Nkufo, Jaqua, White, Noonan

strength = 11

 

WF: 1 starter, 1 regular, 1 backup, 1 reserve

MONTERO, Fucito, Levesque, Noonan

strength = 12

 

Wings: 2 spots available; 1 starter, 2 regulars, 3 backups, 3 reserves

ZAKUANI, Fernandez, Friberg, Fucito, Levesque, Montano, Noonan, Estrada, Tetteh

strength = 22/2 = 11

 

CM:  2 regulars, 2 backups, 2 reserves

Evans, Friberg, Seamon, Fernandez, Caskey, Morris

strength = 14

 

DM: 1 starter, 3 backups

ALONSO, Ianni, Evans, Carrasco           

strength = 11

 

LB: 1 starter, 2 backups, 1 reserve

GONZO, Wahl, Tetteh, Earls

strength = 10

 

CB: 2 spots available; 2 starters, i regular, 1 backup, 2 reserves

PARKE, HURTADO, Ianni, Baudet, Cruz, Graham, Wahl

strength = 19/2 = 9.5

 

RB: 1 starter, 1 backup, 1 reserve

RILEY, Scott, Attaway

strength = 8

 

GK: 1 starter, 1 backup, 2 reserves

KELLER, Boss, Meredith, Ford

strength = 9

 

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This gets me fired up for some soccer

Thanks for the hard work you put into this, and I largely found myself nodding my head as I went along. Two points though:

It seems a bit early to plug Friberg in as a regular (although I certainly have high hopes) with so many options at the Wing it seems probable that Alvaro could easily be shifted over to CM and then you would see Fucito (maybe Montano in non-league) plugged into the now vacant wing spot.

I also think we’re going to be surprised with how much playing time Tetteh sees, I can see Sigi enamored with the prospect of a true attacking LB (particularly considering the noticeable absence of good crosses last year). Bonus: James Riley is 120 years old.

by ClosetCoug on Jan 25, 2011 10:31 AM PST reply actions  

I agree about Tetteh,

But on the other side. If Gonzo’s defensive skills continue to erode, limiting his ability to get forward and then track back, I think he will be demoted to Regular while Sigi tries to figure out how much he can work in Tetteh without giving up too many goals.

Of course, we haven’t seen Tetteh in rave green yet, so this is all speculation until we see how he operates in the arrow. Should be exciting this year though.

by agtk on Jan 25, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Is James Riley actually old for MLS

or am I just totally missing something here

by TheTank123 on Jan 25, 2011 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

duh he's 28

my fault. I guess I could have looked at a roster before posting.

by TheTank123 on Jan 25, 2011 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s not too old for a right back. Especially considering the phenomenal shape he’s in.

by Dizzo on Jan 25, 2011 3:10 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah

Riley isn’t a concern to me. It’s if Riley gets hurt…. I don’t like our reserve options there at all. That’s the position where I don’t see much depth. I know the score for CB was low, but honestly even though there are two spots we’re pretty stacked (Hurtado, Parke, Ianni are all starting caliber).

But oh boy, the drop off from Riley is steep…

by Orothar on Jan 25, 2011 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm essentially "beta testing" this on S@H readers

the scoring system is definitely a work in progress… I just wanted to find a away to reflect the opinion I have that having several “regulars” is actually superior to a strict hierarchy, at least for depth purposes… will probably mess with this as time goes on…

...that's MISTER Keller to you!!!

by malcontentjake on Jan 25, 2011 5:53 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah, I was thrown off by the rankings.

I feel like CB is a position of strength with 3 solid players. (Obviously, Baudet would’ve provided even more depth.)

by yuniform on Feb 1, 2011 10:10 PM PST up reply actions  

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