Kasey Keller To Ring Of Honor - Not So Fast
This may seem blasphemous on its surface. I mean, who doesn't love Kasey Keller? Who doesn't think he isn't the greatest American keeper, and maybe best U.S. player of all time? He is a legend, an American Legend. He is one of the greatest keepers in his MLS play (playing time caveat). Tens of thousands showed up to see him off, enough to make it the 4th largest soccer crowd in the world. Who loves Kasey Keller? All of us.
It makes some sense that some would want to honor him in the Ring of Honor. But only some sense. In many ways it makes little sense what-so-ever. A lot of that comes from the tradition of the Ring of Honor and what it means. Those already chosen and those not, give us a little bit of a guide.
First, let's just review that first paragraph and how it ends. "All of us." Us when it comes to Kasey Keller is American soccer fans. He isn't famous for his time with the Seattle Sounders, despite all of the great things he's done. Look at his awards from that American Legend post.
He went to 4 World Cups and won 3 Gold Cups, 3 US Open Cups, 3 US Soccer Athlete of Year Awards, 2 Honda Player of the Year Awards and a League Cup.
For all of his amazingness here in Seattle, it is dwarfed by his excellence in an American shirt of Red, White and Blue. Honoring Keller for his time with the USMNT would be like honoring Warren Moon for his stunning CFL and college career. Like Keller, Moon was also a local product (University of Washington) and was a star before playing professionally in Seattle.
Second, none on the list have less than 6 years with the Seattle Seahawks. Longevity matters in this Ring. And that longevity was in a sport where careers are extraordinarily short. American football is brutal. Every man on the list, several during free agency, spent 6 or more years HERE. Chad Brown had a couple good years in Seattle and was a great linebacker. He isn't in.
Third, now isn't the time. Pete Gross was taken from us too soon. He was inducted in the year of his passing. Steve Largent was the greatest player at his position, or maybe only second. He did things that no one every thought could be done. For everything that Largent did to define the Seattle Seahawks over a 13-year career, all here, he was enshrined immediately. Seven times to the Pro Bowl, was the leader in every receiving category at the time of his retirement and made the 1980s All-Decade team. As great as Keller has been, he hasn't been that great in MLS. Keller is only among the leaders, not the hands-down leader. Seriously, it is way too soon. Walter Jones isn't in the Ring of Honor, while Keller still has games to play maybe an MLS Cup to win.
There will be a way that Keller is honored, but talks of these honors should start after his career is over. Maybe even after his post-playing career within the front office is over. This isn't a battle between "our" football and "their" football, it is an understanding of the decades long traditions within this city. Keller doesn't fit, not now. Not yet. The post-career honors will be there. Like the US Open Cup and USL Cup titles he will be praised inside the shared stadium.
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of them played in a US Open Cup.
I am for having his jersey retired. I think if money wasn’t a factor he would have been here for his career. He came would he could and is a Sounder through and through.
But don’t rip on Seahawks that got oh so close when the Sounders apples to apples have not…..YET.
Not a rip on the Seahawks
But I was genuinely asking if a factor like “Can x number of championships trump considerations based upon years?”
I would say the AFC West title's are as significant as the US Open Cups
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or the run of NFC titles in the early part of the century.
Is it wrong to stand for 90 minutes in your living room during away games?
by v_twinsam on Oct 17, 2011 1:29 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Except that you actually have to win games to get the US Open Cup…
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by SounderJunkie on Oct 17, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Even last year's NFC West win involved more wins than Sounders have
in any single year of US Open Cup play.
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Not in the years they won a division title
2010 being the lone exception in NFL history of course.
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by B-Lot tailgater on Oct 18, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
??? I don't understand a word you guys are typing
(esp Charles) What happened to complete sentences, or even thoughts?
There hasn't been an incomplete sentence in this entire comment thread
If you’re referring to the breaks between the subject line and the actual comment, imagine those are commas.
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by s0merand0mdude on Oct 17, 2011 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
So, then, how many AFC West titles...
…does Seahawks Ring of Honor member Jim Zorn have?
by Rooselk on Oct 17, 2011 4:08 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree
Keller is a great Sounder and will be remembered long after his playing days are done. The ring of honor is, imho, for players who’s career blossomed in the organization and raised the profile of the organization. Keller was an established star before joining. That’s not to take away from his credentials. He may still work his way into the RoH as I’m sure he’ll be involved with the Sounders for years to come but not right now.
On a similar topic, I hope that the Sounders never retire a jersey. In other sports it is a fitting tribute but in soccer the numbers are an important part of soccer culture. I was amazed that RSL retired Kreis’s #9. In soccer that number is bigger than the players who wear it. If you refer to a #9 or a #10 to anyone who follows soccer they know exactly what you are talking about. I find that prohibiting players from wearing these numbers because someone before them wore them is a slap to the face of soccer tradition and I hope the Sounders realize this.
it's one of the more common GK numbers
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Oct 17, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Not a big deal
but I think just as a rule that you shouldn’t retire soccer jerseys. Now what I would like to see is an team museum at the stadium or a walk of fame where you could put relics, pictures, and trophies for the fans to see. Also wouldn’t mind statues or monuments outside the stadium to honor players.
by Colin Johnson on Oct 17, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think you should retire numbers in soccer at all,
however that goes with the prerequisite that soccer numbers are worn as they used to be, 1-11 are the starters (position dependent), 13-18 are the bench. no assigned numbers until match day. as it should be.
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by Kyle Ritter on Oct 17, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
This is a very bizarre fixation some people have that I will never fully understand
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 17, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
think it just sets a precedent--
you’re playing for the shirt on your back. quite literally, richard.
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by Kyle Ritter on Oct 17, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
For me I can take it or leave it
I don’t mind, for instance, that Klinsmann is doing it for the USMNT and I don’t mind that Sigi’s not running things that way. It seems to make a bit more sense on the national team, I think, since the pool of players there is much larger and (I believe) they have to be 1-23 at the World Cup anyway. But again, I didn’t mind the system under Bradley.
From a coach-player standpoint, I could see where it might be a distraction either way. I could see players getting irritated that a more senior player has the number they want, and I could see players getting irritated that the coach isn’t letting them have the number they want.
It used to be that way, so some people still like it
So you number 9 is your forward, number 1 is your keeper, and so on. I also prefer 1 to 11, and no names on jersey. Everything else is a marketing ploy to sell more jerseys.
I guess I don't understand what's wrong with that.
These are businesses, after all.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 17, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It is just a my preference
As you said, it is a business like everything else, so I do not think there is anything wrong with it. At the same time, soccer teams as bussiness is one of the reason why Aston Villa and similar teams will never win anything again (maybe, League Cup).
Well no, it really isn't at all.
Incredibly wealthy people running soccer teams as their own personal video games are to blame for that.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 17, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's how they do it in Rugby Union
1-15 is solely based on position.
There’s even a position called the ’’number 8."
That was the way it was done in baseball for a long time
And then they got wise that people actually care about the person more than the position.
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by Dave Clark on Oct 17, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Could we just get rid of numbers completely?
Their original purpose was to replace the name. Now that we have the name, we don’t need the number.
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Except you can't read the name from the cheap seats
You can usually see the number and look it up on the program.
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Some last names are also really common
Also you can have a discussion about CR7 and FL10 without having to spell out their names.
I don't think it's necessary that a player blossoms here
…especially in the unique case of a player coming home from overseas leagues to launch a team into the MLS.
It would be different if some Seattle born player was on the 49ers for 10 years and then came up here to start for a few years before retiring, but that’s equivalent to what Keller’s done. He wasn’t coming from a different team in this league, and this team didn’t exist in the league when Keller was at his peak.
In no way is this the same as Moon briefly stopping by as he bounced around as a second or third tier Q in his waning years.
I totally agree
That number should be retired for both teams
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Agreed, eventually
Would like to see them get the sellout streak to 5 or 6 years in a row first though.
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by B-Lot tailgater on Oct 18, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I understand the point.
But I think that missed the most important part of his accomplishment here. I think we have to treat him more as a venture capitalist and less like an employee. He bought in at the BEGINNING. That counts for more. I’m sorry. But it does. He gets the early money benefit. He took a higher risk than any player will who follows. He has been here as long as we’ve been an MLS team, and that deserves respect in its own right. He put this club on the map in a serious way. No one who plays here will ever be able to escape his legacy. Ring of honor. Without a doubt
by CapHillSounder on Oct 17, 2011 11:31 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I do agree however
With not retiring the number for all of the reasons listed above
by CapHillSounder on Oct 17, 2011 11:36 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Other ways to honor Sounders
No reason that Sounders need to be in the “Ring of Honor.” Why should the Sounders start their own kind of honoring tradition?
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Oct 17, 2011 11:44 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
interesting
I will admit that while things have gone well so far, I am viscerally uncomfortable with sharing that front office with the Hawks. I think the field turf issue this year sort of highlighted future pitfalls. And one need only look as far as New England to see potential conflicts of interest. Probably not a useful thing to get overly anxious about right now, but I do worry sometimes.
by CapHillSounder on Oct 17, 2011 11:49 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm vastly comfortable for the relationship with the Seahawks
1 – we have a team because of them
2 – everyone there gets this soccer thing. everyone.
3 – we have a team because of them
I’d rather a team on fake turf than no team at all.
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by Dave Clark on Oct 17, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good
#‘s 1 and 3 have nothing to do with whether or not that relationship is still fruitful for both parties. #2 is encouraging though. I’m really glad to hear it.
by CapHillSounder on Oct 17, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
If the Sounders have to dramatically increase costs
by no longer having a joint administrative staff, having to fully self-fund marketing, and pay rent at CLink they aren’t the team with the support they are. They’d rapidly be just another struggling MLS team in an NFL stadium.
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by Dave Clark on Oct 17, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Slightly off topic, but
I loved Lalas’ comments at halftime of the Chivas/Galaxy game re: the Sounders – ‘The worst thing you can say about the organization on or off the field is that they play on turf. That’s it.’
by Nevtelen on Oct 17, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Totally agree.
We as fans should not feel we need to shoe horn Keller into what is obviously a shrine for the other football. His accomplishments to this team and this sport are unique.
He should be the first sounder honored in a sounder specific forum.
by Zakuani11Fan on Oct 17, 2011 1:05 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
No
I don’t want the Open Cup banners taken out of the stadium, nor the 05 & 07 championships.
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Those 2 things don't need to be mutually exclusive
The Sounders play in CLink and their banners deserve to hang there. That doesn’t mean they need to put players on the Ring of Honor. I’m with Jeremiah – something else could be done to honor Sounders greats.
I also agree with CapHillSounder – I think the fact that he came when he did and did what he did for the team means an enormous amount. Do we enshrine any USMNT player who plays well as a Sounder for 3 years, even if they’re integral to the team for that span? No. But Keller was part of the DNA of the club and I think that should be honored appropriately. It doesn’t have to happen right away. Perspective is useful in these situations. But I would hope something appropriate is done for him in the next 5 years or so.
How about a legends section outside the stadium
I’m thinking either a small section set aside outside th NW ticket section for statues of Sounders greats or a section of wall that could be used to place the names and numbers of the great Sounders whom have played at C-link. Much more appropriate to international traditions than retiring numbers.
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by Dizzo on Oct 17, 2011 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think putting Keller's jersey in Starfire rafters is a mistake
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I'd want a statue in the Bougham end
in the alley-way. Not in the way, but all the way against the outside wall. Where you’d have to look for it to find it and then be like “Oh, I walked by it dozens of times and never saw it!”
by sammysounder on Oct 17, 2011 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Just build a brick wall out front for him
and leave tiny holes in it. The contractor can call them weep holes, we’ll know its because barely anything can get through.
In seriousness, I’d prefer we do our own thing. If that’s setting up our own ring of honor, that’s fine, but I don’t want the two sharing. The Seahawks’ Ring of Honor means a tremendous amount to that team, I don’t like the idea of our butting in just because we play in the same stadium.
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I respectfully disagree
The Seahawks Ring of Honor is about the fans as much as it is the ondividual players. For instance, Easley was deliberately excluded from the Ring for years and it was Seahawks fans who demanded his inclusion. Also, rather than seasons, compare the number of games Keller has played for the Sounders compared to Easley and Warner, both of whom missed a significant number of games due to injury in their respective six seasons with the Seahawks. Kasey Keller has served in the same role that Jim Zorn did, being the face of the team. Of course the difference is that Keller was a world class soccer player while Zorn was never among the NFL elite QB’s. Finally, I also think Keller deserves special consideration due his native son status. After all, we were reading about Keller and following his accomplishments not only before the existance of the current Sounders team, but before the existance of MLS as well.
by Rooselk on Oct 17, 2011 12:08 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I'm glad
You are making a case based on time played. But honestly, to borrow a construct from the article, I think basing Keller’s impact on this club based on time played is like measuring Steve Jobs’ impact at Pixar by measuring hours spent in the office. Or, I’ll put it another way. If in the next 30 years, multiple writers spend more time writing for this blog and even win some Pulitzers or something, Dave Clark still gets his name mentioned with those writers. Always. That’s how important founders are.
by CapHillSounder on Oct 17, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
what about lacrosse?
if they play a couple of seasons of some other sport at clink, can they put their honorees in the ring of honor?
If lacrosse or rugby get 30k+ for many years
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Agreed
The Warren Moon comparison is perfect.
That said, they should engrave his name on the goal posts with some cheezy saying that i can’t think of right now.
"The fans are excited. And the stadium, well, it ignites with explosion."
Personally, I'd rather leave the Ring of Honor to the Seahawks.
The Sounder Organization should to create something distinct to honor their players and coaches.
What about putting a scarf somewhere . . .
with the name Kasey Keller making an “S” at the start. The rest to be filled in later.
by sammysounder on Oct 17, 2011 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Just for clarification...
…like others above, I also oppose retiring soccer player numbers. Additionally. I don’t think it’s appropriate to share the Ring of Honor with the Seahawks (I doubt the Seahawks would allow that anyway). A Sounders Ring of Honor would have to be seperate. In fact a Sounders Wall of Honor outside the stadium might be an appropriate alternative.
by Rooselk on Oct 17, 2011 12:26 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Why would it be separate?
Both organizations use the same stadium. Ownership overlaps as well.
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But fans don't necessarily overlap
I’m a (very) casual Seahawks fan at best (I don’t really care about football in the least). I’m sure I’m not necessarily in the majority, but I do think there are others who are Sounders but not Seahawks fans. Honoring past players isn’t really for the FO’s benefit or the stadium’s benefit, it’s for the fans.
by Nevtelen on Oct 17, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Really? I think a lot overlaps...which is a good thing
I would be surprised if only half of the Sounders STHs are also at least Seahawks fans if not also STHs (meaning the VAST majority support both passionately).
The majority of the people I know who go to the games also are Cougars or Huskies (both in my family) as well as Seahawks fans.
My sister and brother each are STHs they each have a pair of seats in 106. Stand and yell the entire game. They are husky and coug on other days, in addition to being Sounders. My wife and I are also STHs, sit a few sections over and prefer Sounders to Seahawks but still cheer for the hawks and count ourselves fans.
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Huskies and Cougers have nothing to do with this debate
and I understand that I’m probably in the minority and that’s fine, but my point is I wouldn’t be surprised if there isn’t at least some significant chunk of fans who follow the Sounders who only very casually follow the Seahawks. So why do the Sounders have to share the Seahawks system of honoring past players? I just think it’s a chance to do something unique for the Sounders, rather than follow what the other team that plays in CLink is doing. (FWIW, I like the wall idea suggested elsewhere).
I included the collegiate affiliations just to show that multiple overlaps occur
I see your point though. It is not the main part of the debate.
If I had to divide who do I love more? Sounders in a landslide.
Does that mean I don’t buy tickets to see the Seahawks? no
Does that mean in addition to having season tickets to my sounders, I also watch an occasional okay okay every Seahawk game? yes
I think the CLink has been pretty hospitable (aside from the turf issue) for the Sounders. They gets the lines off. They manage things professionally, smoothly and really get it. They don’t dominate the stadium with piped in noise. They get a lot of things right and I am hopeful they will get this right, too.
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by chrisso on Oct 17, 2011 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Spekaing of piped noise...
Did it seem to others that there was alot more of it pre game and the first 10 minutes or so of the game? Or am I remembering things wrong?
Keller's achievements don't need the Sounders endorsement.
The man is a legend, but that would be true even if he never donned Rave Green.
I greatly admire and appreciate him, but it feels wrong to talk of retiring his jersey or putting his name up for posterity somewhere. Three great seasons don’t leave an indelible mark.
Honestly, it even seems a little desperate. I’m reminded of Tampa Bay retiring Wade Boggs’ number because he was from the area and played his last two seasons there. To any observer, it felt like the cheap marketing gimmick that it was.
by The King of Norway on Oct 17, 2011 12:28 PM PDT reply actions
"while Keller still has games to play maybe an MLS Cup to win"
What is this “maybe” talk? :)
by PeterJH on Oct 17, 2011 12:30 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Unrelated but funny.
The photo on wikipedia article for the Ring of Honor linked in the story. Look at the scoreboard.
Sports.
That is too funny...
…love it.
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by Timm Higgins on Oct 17, 2011 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Someone mentioned a brick wall
And it’s actually a decent idea. Why not put up a big thick brick wall on the plaza in the north end? You can then put up plaques on it, Hall of Fame style. If we fill up the wall, we just add another section. In the unlikely even the Sounders ever move to another stadium in Seattle, the Wall can go with us.
by joesz on Oct 17, 2011 12:35 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I saw this on a forum yesterday:
“I think we need to get a street named Kasey Keller. I think it should be a dead end because nothing gets through Kasey Keller!”
Any dead end streets near the CLink?
by Rooselk on Oct 17, 2011 12:43 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
There's a Kasey Keller (Blvd or Ave, I can't remember)
in Olympia. Well, actually it’s in Lacey, near North Thurston High School.
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by Kyle Ritter on Oct 17, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I actually think the street makes more sense
because that would be for the totality of his career, not his time as a Sounder
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South King Street?
Would fit with the parallel Royal Brougham and Edgar Martinez roads. Plus it’s a dead end!
by joesz on Oct 17, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I love the Dead End idea too.
How about renaming King Street north of the CLink parking lot? It only runs from the Amtrak station to Alaskan Way — it’s disconnected from the King Street that runs east of 5th.
by The King of Norway on Oct 17, 2011 1:23 PM PDT reply actions
Gah, reply fail.
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by The King of Norway on Oct 17, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Another way of looking at it is that for as long as the Sounders have been an MLS club, Keller has been the keeper.
It becomes a bit more muddled because the history of the Sounders club as a whole stretches back beyond it’s “promotion” (for lack of a better word) to MLS.
Hypothetically, if the USL/NASL Sounders never existed, do you think Keller should be in the Ring of Honor? Played the first 3 years of a franchise at a critical position, unquestioned leader, captain, a superior player at his position, homegrown talent…
I also think drawing a direct comparison between Chad Brown and Keller seems a little off, for the roles they played on the respective teams and what they meant to the franchise. Brown was unquestionably an impact player, but I don’t believe he meant as much to the fans or to the city as Keller does, and the of course, the Ring of Honor is a completely subjective award and not statistically dependent.
Warren
Might be up for consideration for the Ring based on his work with the Seahawks radio broadcasts (in a decade or so of course) more so than for his contributions on the field… though he did help lead the Seahawks of of the dark abyss of the early nineties.
Except, of course
that Warren Moon is awful at what he does on the radio.
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by B-Lot tailgater on Oct 18, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Moon's kind of getting there with the Hawks organization, honestly
But I’m a little confused with the comparison? Moon played only a handful of games for the organization (25 over 2 seasons in fact! go internetz…), whereas Keller has played 92 games just in MLS competitions for the Sounders. Maybe it’s an arbitrary distinction, but it does make a difference in my mind
Why should Warren be punished for playing in a sport with a shorter season
and for all of Keller’s greatness. Warren Moon is as great a local athlete who performed on the national stage.
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My point had to do with Keller coming out and being the face of the franchise from the beginning
If you were going to pick a Seahawk equivalent in the example I was trying to paint, it would be Dave Krieg, not Moon, as the player that kick-started the franchise.
And I don’t think Moon should be punished per se for a shorter season, but there is something to the shear number of games you spend in the uniform. Keller has been the starter and leader for three seasons, Moon was here to finish his career and played a season and a half. I honestly really don’t see them as being that analogous.
Leave the ring to the Seahawks
if we were to put Keller up there wouldn’t we have start putting up other folks who have been with the Sounders even longer? I say we find another way to honor great Sounders, no need to jump on the ring.
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by 253Sounder on Oct 17, 2011 2:03 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Best thing possible - Hang a Rave Green Keller 18 at the HDC
If there’s question as to where/when/why, we can take it back a bit more and do a USMNT / MLS banner and hang it in the Home Depot Center (with another here at CLink) as part of the MLS Cup activities.
Besides, no better way to piss off LA by hanging something at the home pitch of the USMNT.
I'm not keen on retiring numbers at all.
We’re a three year old team. I’d like to think we’ll be around forever. So what happens in 300 years if you retire a jersey every ten years?
Retiring jerseys is simply not sustainable.
Soccer jerseys tend to have low numbers on them. There are 32 guys on the roster. The current highest number is Hurtado’s #34.
We start retiring numbers and we’re up in the 40s in no time.
As for ring of honor, hall of fame, Keller Sports Complex (formerly Starfire) etc, it’s simply too soon to worry about. It never hurts to wait on these things. Never.
Let’s let Kasey retire in style. Let’s let him get settled into whatever he’s going to be doing and take it from there.
What if Keller takes up a position with the MLS front office? What if (gulp) he takes a head coaching job at another MLS team? We don’t know what the future holds. Let’s take our time and figure out something classy, and sustainable and bring Keller out on the field to be honored in the future.
Haste makes waste. We don’t need to do anything for a long time.
by Jack Brando on Oct 17, 2011 4:41 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Baseball numbers are generally low
only 25 guys on the active roster, and the Yankees still haven’t run out of numbers
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Yea, but they are in the 70's now for the 40 man roster.
What are they going to do in 100 years?
In 200 years?
It’s like they assume the whole league is going to fold up in the next 50 years.
The only unretired number the Yankees have between 1-10 is 2 and surely they have to give that one to Jeter.
40 man roster guys don't have assigned numbers except in spring training
kind of like the Academy guys get wierd number when they make reserve appearances.
I think they’d go 2^2 someday.
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rosters expand in September to 40
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Oct 17, 2011 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions
But basically zero teams call-up to 40 deep
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Here's what the Yankees have on their website:
by Jack Brando on Oct 18, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Right, all teams have a 40-man roster.
Most teams use around 30 of those players during a given season.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 18, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Make decencedants pay to keep their ancestors
number retired.
The Yankees are a prime example of what I'd like the Sounders to avoid re: retired numbers
If anything, the Yankees should quietly unretire a few of their numbers.
Thanks
He has a blank on the Sounders’ website:
by Jack Brando on Oct 18, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
The Conversation
The conversation is the important part right now,right? How many traditions were soccer fans worried about starting organically? We didn’t want sound piped into our games, we didn’t want ads played during run-of-play. We didn’t want ANYTHING played during run of play. We wanted the March to the Match to work, but not tainted by corporate ideals. The alliance council is a bizarre marriage of Sounders fans trying to keep things organic and owners who want to maximize return on their dollar by doing all the marketing tricks other major sports brands have succeeded on. We are at another crossroads. Three or four months ago I would have agreed with putting Keller up in the rafters at C-Link; however now the search for the right "new tradition" tickles my fancy.
We are a clever audience of passionate fans. The conversation should continue to find our right answer. My hope is our FO just doesn’t do anything rash. It should feel “right” to all of us.
by ravegreen1 on Oct 17, 2011 5:09 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I'm fine with no ring of honor for Keller...
as long as he gets a nice statue in front of the stadium.
Compare to older teams like Red Sox, Yankees as one example
To put some perspective on this, take a look at the Boston Red Sox. Besides number 42, they have only 7 retired numbers, with more than 100 years of rich history. The Yankees have 17.
KK could very well be the Sounders first but do remember it should be a very high bar to reach.
Speaking of which, where are we going to be able to retire Gary Payton’s jersey?

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