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Chivas USA Vs. Sounders: How Costly Was Win No. 18?

CARSON, CA - OCTOBER 22:  Jeff Parke #31 and Jhon Kennedy Hurtado #34 of the Seattle Sounders watch as teammate Mauro Rosales #10 gets taken off the field on a stretcher getting hurt on a play in the first half during the MLS match against Chivas USA at The Home Depot Center on October 22, 2011 in Carson, California.  (Photo by Victor Decolongon/Getty Images)

The Seattle Sounders had two main goals when they paid Chivas USA a visit on Saturday with nothing to play for standings-wise: work Mauro Rosales back into the lineup and get out healthy. Somewhere else in the list of priorities was finally beating Chivas USA at Home Depot Center and heading into the playoffs on a roll.

Despite the Sounders winning 3-1 and generally looking good doing it, the game was far from a ringing success. Rosales was stretchered off the field following a hard tackle by Ben Zemanski, and although postgame comments made it sound like it might not be serious, we still don't know for sure. Even if he's perfectly fine, the Sounders will still go into the playoffs with Rosales having played just 32 minutes since Sept. 17. Clearly this was not the best-case scenario they were hoping for.

What we do know now is that the Sounders will face Real Salt Lake in the Western Conference semifinals. The series will open at Rio Tinto Stadium on Saturday, Oct. 29 at 7:30 p.m. with a likely return leg on Wednesday, Nov. 2 at 8 p.m.

The Sounders and RSL split a pair of games this year, with each team winning 2-1 on the road. This is probably not a great matchup for either team, but the Sounders are undeniably in a better run of form.

Star-divide

Since the last time the Sounders and RSL met, their seasons have gone in opposite directions. The win over the Sounders was the third of what would eventually become a five-game winning streak, but that has been followed by six straight games without a win in which RSL has gone 0-4-2. During those six games, RSL has been outscored 13-3.

Recent struggles aside, the Sounders should expect quite a fight. Javier Morales has come back from injury well enough to log 350 minutes in his past four matches, Kyle Beckerman will be back from his suspension and the defense had gone just over 180 scoreless minutes before the Portland Timbers equalized in stoppage time on Saturday.

The Sounders should feel good about coming off their best performance since Rosales first went down with his injury. Their three goals were the most they've scored in a game since Sept. 17 and if not for Victor Estupinan's 83rd minute goal, this would have been their first shutout in a MLS game since then as well.

As he has been doing most of the second half of the season, Fredy Montero played a big role in getting the Sounders the win. It was his play that got the Sounders their first goal, even if he won't get credit. His ability to control the James Riley's pass was what forced the own-goal. Montero did get on the stat sheet with a nifty assist to Sammy Ochoa for the Sounders' third goal. The Sounders got their other goal from Alvaro Fernandez from a Brad Evans pass.

The win gives the Sounders 18 wins, tied for the second most in the post-shootout era. Their 63 points are the third most since 1999. In so many ways, this has been a benchmark year for the Sounders.

But for many, the success or failure of this season will be determined by what happens against RSL. Advancing to the conference finals would be a first for the Sounders, and anything less will understandably leave an empty feeling. Whether or not the Sounders have a healthy Rosales will likely make a difference, but it won't be an acceptable excuse. The path to Home Depot Center is now clear, even if it's fraught with peril. Now the fun really starts.

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I don't doubt the strength of tiny Asian womem

But were I a Sounders fan I might want a little more beef on the end of the stretcher there.

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by almost awesome on Oct 22, 2011 11:00 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Nice to see Evans begin to return to form

Got another assist tonight after his game-winning assist last weekend.

I met a possum.

by s0merand0mdude on Oct 22, 2011 11:25 PM PDT reply actions  

What is best in life?

To see our enemies crushed and driven before us! To see those who try to hurt Mauro Rosales without an MLS contract next season! To hear the lamentations of RSL and Galaxy fans as we raise the MLS Cup!

BURN, DESTROY, WRECK, AND KILL!!!

by DaveValleDrinkNight on Oct 22, 2011 11:46 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I don't think anyone's mentioned this yet

But that third round pick we sent to Chicago probably becomes a first round supplemental pick. By lowering the SuperDraft to two rounds, it makes me wonder about the quality of the 2012 class.

by James Bray on Oct 22, 2011 11:56 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

the difference is basically what day the pick gets made

People are making way too much of the draft being “cut” by a round. All they’ve really done is move the third round five days later.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Oct 23, 2011 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

63 points and random other bits

63 points in 34 games is a PPG 1.85294 – that would’ve been good enough to win 10 of the 16 MLS seasons to date.

Yesterday I wasted time arguing with some knob on a streaming site was going on about how it was all because of the crappy turf at Centurylink, and we’d get knocked out as soon as we played on a real surface; yet our 9-3-5 away record is easily the best in the league, with only LA also winning more than 6 away games, and was marginally better than our home record (we did have a bigger overall GD home (12) than away (7), but that was mostly down to the Columbus result). I’m guessing the pain of just having been eliminated was too much to cope with for that particular Fire fan to do some actual research…

The only teams with a winning record against the Sounders since joining MLS are LA Galaxy (1-5-2), Houston (2-3-3) and Philly (1-2-1) – and both Galaxy and Houston have of course lost USOC games during that period. We’ve taken points off every other MLS team except the Revs, with whom we have a tied 3-0-3 record.

by Targaff on Oct 23, 2011 12:36 AM PDT reply actions  

I would actually say our "crappy turf" could even be detrimental

We have a very technical team, and don’t play with much speed (at least after losing Zak and OBW) and aren’t very physical – in fact there are times when i felt like we were pretty soft and getting pushed around this year. Those are two traits for a team for which “crappy turf” could be an advantage

...and you will hear us scream

by malcontentjake on Oct 23, 2011 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

And IIRC, our PPG pace is enough

to win 7 of 10 Supporters’ Shields after they started allowing for ties (kinda apples and oranges before that point)

by Tohoya on Oct 23, 2011 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rosales, Sammy and Montero

Glad to hear post-match comments from Sigi on Rosales- especially from the team trainer’s prespective. Ochoa looks to be getting more and more fit…I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he starts the second leg against RSL. Lastly, Fredy Montero should win MVP. I was on the fence between he and Mauro, but with a greater body of work- I’d give it to Fredy.

by RWDJr37 on Oct 23, 2011 1:25 AM PDT reply actions  

I am really getting tired of seeing our best be assaulted with no consequences.

The criminal element of MLS continues. Deliberate assaults on good players by mediocre enforcer thugs. I credit Sigi for refusing to play this style of soccer, but something has to stop. Mullen, Woodard, Kaminski. Only Mullen got any significant penalty, and even there that doesn’t equate to career threatening deliberate assault.

Do we want a league full of 1-0 hackfests where both teams just lump the ball long and then wrestle, or anyone foolish enough to try to connect passes is met with enabled felonious assault?

Seattle is the big dog of the league attendance-wise, our team plays a bright uptempo style that TV and audiences love. And then along comes yet another mediocre MLS journeyman out to show us how its done.

Either the league needs to clean things up, or we need to bring in some enforcers ourselves.

by luckystriker on Oct 23, 2011 6:06 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I did not like the attack

but I did not feel it was a hack job or anything. It seemed like he was trying to play good soccer, missed, Rosales got hurt, and the dude felt bad. Injuries happen. Sucks, but it is not always due to poor or malicious play.

by lysander on Oct 23, 2011 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

that'll change

When the salary cap goes up, good technical defenders cost money and most teams spend it on attackers and midfielders, spending the least on defense and hence there are hack defenders. They can’t compete and they accidentally get caight. Mullen’s attack on Zakuani is the exception to the rule. Most defenders just get beat because there is a disperity bewtween quality attackers and defenders in this league.

by python6114 on Oct 23, 2011 9:15 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I really hate us developing a victim mentality

This is a problem in lots of leagues. the league is attempting to crack down on this stuff, but it’s never going to be eliminated.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Oct 23, 2011 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Victimology of Hope

I guess I don’t see this as a victim mentality. We are one of the more technical teams in the league and it has always been a tactic in most any sport for a team that is outclassed in technique and speed to try and win through physical play.

The calls for cracking down on this are reminiscent of the NHL in the 1990s. In the early part of the decade you had a situation where the best, most technical teams were being smothered by more physical teams that disrupted play by grabbing, holding and fouling. Teams like the 1994 Red Wings were the most talented and played the ‘beautiful game’, but were not ultimately successful because of the way the league was refereed.

When the NHL decided to crack down on interference in 1995, suddenly there was a higher premium on talent, speed and passing. The NHL became a fun league to watch, attendance went up over 10% and hockey began to lose its thug reputation.

Were there other factors at play, sure. But the lesson for the MLS is that a better product attacks more people which gets you more money and respect. It is easier to put together a team that is physical and disruptive, but if that is no longer a sure path to success in this league we can improve it.

by brokejumper on Oct 23, 2011 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

But the league IS cracking down on it

Zemanski didn’t go in with intent to injure.

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by Dave Clark on Oct 23, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Totally agree.

It was unfortunate that it happened but it did not seem that Zemanski was trying to hurt or even foul Mauro. Mauro beat him and his stab at the ball missed and their knees hit. A foul, yes. A yellow, probably. But not more. Chivas played a fairly clean game. I actually think some of our tackles were far worse. Injuries happen, they just suck.

by MurrayD on Oct 23, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

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