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A Crazy Idea for Better Playoffs

So the playoffs are impending, and it hasn't escaped notice that the way it worked out this year is just plain wrong. Playoffs, however, are here to stay and especially because schedules are likely to become unbalanced. So how do we set up playoffs so that playing better is always rewarded?

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In my opinion, the biggest problem with the playoff system as it stands is what this year's playoffs highlight: the possibility that superior teams will face off prematurely, thereby eliminating better teams while inferior teams skate by against equally inferior opposition. That either the number two or number three team in the league is guaranteed to miss the second round is just plain ludicrous, and it hurts the credibility of the MLS Cup. In a playoff system that is as fair as possible, this situation should be impossible.

Following that line of thought, I've devised a playoff system that consistently rewards better play during the regular season, and yet can easily coexist with unbalanced schedules:

I. Everybody makes the playoffs

This will seem completely weird, since the race to make the playoff cut is such a huge part of the American sports scene, but in a league with as much parity as MLS, having some arbitrary number of teams in or out of the postseason actually decreases the incentive to win in the regular season. Yes, it's important to win so you can make that cut, but after you're in, it doesn't make a huge difference where you are. It's possible the extra match will add a bit more cost to just nipping into the playoffs, but with parity the way it is, it's still very possible for a team that just barely qualified to win the whole thing.

II. The regular season is for seeding

Instead of using the regular season to define who's in and who's out, this playoff system would use it to rank teams in their conferences. The way the system will work out, being higher ranked will always be better. Because everybody makes the playoffs, almost no teams will have nothing to play for at the end of the season. It's true that a team might lock up a place before the end of the season, but the vast majority of teams will still have the possibility of moving up or down on the last day. This will matter as we will soon see.

III. Conferences play their own mini-tournaments - no crossovers

In situations like the past couple years, where one conference has been much stronger the the other, crossover has create some perverse incentives to finish lower rather than higher. No crossover means that the relative strengths of the conferences matters less.

The conferences would play off in seeded single elimination style tournaments, except with aggregate home and away matches. The first legs would be at the lower seed in midweek, with the second legs at the higher seed on weekends. In a seeded 10 team tournament, seeds 1-6 get byes into the second round while seeds 7-10 play off in the first round. Also, the top seeds are separated off into separate sides of the bracket so higher seeds cannot face each other until later rounds.

IV. The winners of each conference tournament play in the MLS Championship

This could either be a two legged final, as I would prefer, or a predetermined neutral site. I like the former option because I think it would be great for the fanbases of those top teams to see their team play for a trophy live. Those of us lucky to be at the USOC finals played in Seattle know how special that is.

Why is this better?

This system would be an improvement over the current one because every team would have an incentive to improve its positioning if it can until the very end of the season. Then once the postseason started, this system would reward the best performing teams with byes and potentially easier opponents. No exclusion and no crossover means that the difference in quality between the conferences will matter less, because we won't have the situation were a team in the better conference misses the playoffs while an inferior team in the weaker conference makes it. We also won't have the strange situation where it may be better to finish lower rather than higher. Finally, this format will give the MLS Cup the most credibility, because the competition that decides who wins it will be as fair as possible. The last team standing will have a very strong claim to being the best in MLS.

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This is confusing to me, possibly because it's still kinda early in the morning

I think you should draw a picture.

My idea:

- The top eastern and western conference teams are champs of their respective conferences (in addition to one of them being SS winners).
- 8 teams get in. If that’s the top 3 per conference and then two wildcards, fine. Top 8 overall, fine.
- the 8 are seeded top to bottom based on points
- 1st plays 8th, 2nd plays 7th, etc – regardless of which conference they’re in (conference champs were already decided before)
- After each round, winners advance. Higher seeds play lower seeds
- Championship is between the two remaining.

As far as the number of games per round I hadn’t really thought that much about it. Mainly just the structure.

by chrisperry1983 on Oct 27, 2011 7:44 AM PDT reply actions  

I like this...

You still get your conference champions, but for the playoffs it moves to a single table. The single table is the best way to eliminate problems of switching conferences and rewards the top teams by seeding them against the lowest seeds regardless of conference. Also allows for the possibility of two teams from the same conference to meet up in the MLS Cup (Sounders & LA for example).

by Steve Hutchison on Oct 27, 2011 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I *really* don't want every team making the playoffs

All that does is reward crappy play. Not a fan of that.

by nicktjacob on Oct 27, 2011 7:54 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Not at all a bad proposal, here's my idea

You are certainly right on the lack of importance for the regular season, and how the best teams eliminate each other much earlier than they should. I really actually like this idea. But, since playoff ideas are being tossed around now that it’s playoff time, I would like to put in my own 2 cents.
12 teams get into playoffs. There will be 2 automatic berths, one for each conference, and the rest is dictated by seeding. The winners of each conference, as well as the next two best teams, automatically bypassing the first round of the playoffs. The rest of the 8 are divided into 2 groups of 4, based on seeding and conference. These teams then play games against other members of their groups. The higher seeds get home advantage. So seeds 5 and 6 would have all 3 games at home, seeds 7 and 8, 3 games, 9 +10, 1, and 11 + 12, none. This rewards good season records, while also preventing a team who really isn’t good, from advancing (NY 2008). The top 2 teams from each group advance to play the teams who automatically advanced. This method also leaves weaker teams much more tired, giving the better teams a slightly better shot (the whole seeding thing again). The 2nd place teams from the group stage play the conference winners of their respective conference/ or SS winner plays lower seed, which ever works better. These will be game 1 and 2. Games 3 and 4 will be played between the winners of the group stage and seeds 3 and 4. All will be 2 legged. The winner of Game 1 plays Winner of game 3 or 4 (depending on which is better, conference or seed) and winner of Game 2 plays the other one. (These games can be two legged, depending on how well it fits the schedule). So, winner of 1 v 4 plays the winner of 2 v 3 in the cup. What this system does is, 12 teams technically make the playoffs, but 8 teams only really get in to compete. Of those 8 teams, the 4 best hold a significant advantage. They would have a week off (this should only add 1 week). Now, how would this look in the current system? Well, LA and SKC automatically advance, as do RSL and the Sounders. These teams really are the 4 best teams, since FCD has had a total tail spin, and SKC had the awful 10 game away start. The groups would then look like this (teams are seeded in their respective order, 1-4) – group 1 (west group) FCD, Rapids, NY, Timbers. Group 2 (east) – Dynamo, Union, Crew, Fire. This way, the best two teams can’t eliminate each other until at least the semi’s of the whole tournament.
Pros
More games = more fun!, more money from games for the league
Seeding matters much more
harder to see the best teams knock each other out before at least the semi’s
More teams play more game (if you think like Klinsmann)
This looks more like other soccer tournaments (World Cup, Continental Cups, Confed Cup, Champions League (UEFA and CONCACAF)
For at least this season, there is a much larger chance for a conference to actually be won by a member.
Cons
Longer season- Winter problems
more not-so-good teams get in

I would especially like to see this as the league expands. I find it hard to believe that there won’t be quite more than 20 teams considering that the midwest has 2 teams, the south (excluding Texas) has only DC, and Canada will have a grand total of 3.

by Adnan Ilyas on Oct 27, 2011 8:16 AM PDT reply actions  

Doesn't work

with an uneven number of teams (as will be the case next year).
How about top 5 teams from each conference make the playoffs. The bottom two in each conference play a “play-in” match against each other. From there, it’s 1 plays winner of play in, 2 plays 3. Winners play each other in conference championship. Conference champs play each other in mls cup.
This gives more importance to doing well in the regular season to make the playoffs and more incentive to do well for those that are already in.

by thesafetylemur on Oct 27, 2011 8:21 AM PDT reply actions  

Pretty much,

but with no conference crossover.

"It's scintillating, it's sensational, it's Seattle Sounders FC soccer."

by LoiteringWithIntent on Oct 27, 2011 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

my 2 cents

Less teams not more. I do not like a high percentage of teams in playoffs. In my world the best playoff system we have seen in the US is the old MLB playoffs back when there were 4 divisions and 4 teams making it.

To completly counter my own point… I do like NCAA basketball tournement but I am also opposed to the slow expansion in number of teams they are allowing in that as well.

by lysander on Oct 27, 2011 8:56 AM PDT reply actions  

The funny thing about the NCAA basketball tournament?

A lower percentage of teams qualify for the “playoffs” than any professional sport outside of MLB.

by Aaron Campeau on Oct 27, 2011 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

It is similar to BCS rankings

There is always someone not happy about it. I do not agree with everyone participating in playoffs. You could have teams just taking it easy during regular season in order to hit the form for playoffs. If everyone would participate, I think it is better to have something similar to Apertura and Clausura in Argentina, which would give us two seasons per year and two champions per year, but at the same time, there is always interesting because of smaller number of matcher per season. For playoffs, I would have only 4 from each conference to play in it and no crossover.

Also, I am not buying all of that about weaker Eastern Conference. It is same as saying that NFC West suck, but at the same time, NFC West has better record in the playoffs than many other divisions. Currently, NYRB as the worst team in the Eastern Conference have better head to head record vs. LA Galaxy (2:0 and 1:1) and Dallas (they beat them 3 times this year). They one against Sounders in NY, lost in Seattle. Only RSL beat them both times. Also, Union has better head to head record versus Sounders, so I would not just conclude that Eastern Conference is much weaker (ask Dallas).

by seattle 13 on Oct 27, 2011 10:32 AM PDT reply actions  

Epic

I want the playoffs to be Epic, right now they are an after thought. Lets play 3-4 games after the season. That is what causes them to seem like the worst teams have an equal shot.

3 games series the whole way through. IF you were NOT looking the way Europe does it, or other places, or other sports, etc. I think this is what you would come up with for soccer. I really do.
Homefield, making reg season meaningful, better teams more likely to win, very epic, very exciting, plus money making, which eventually will be a factor when someone outside of Seattle draws.

by Charles J on Oct 27, 2011 10:52 AM PDT reply actions  

I like the idea of a double-elimination tournament

Not sure how it would work with 10 teams, but with 8 teams it would be pretty straightforward. With a couple of mid-week games (in the losers’ bracket), you could do it in four weeks. I think that double elimination is a little more practical than having a bunch of three-game series and it has the same benefit that you’re not done in by one bad day.

by ubelmann on Oct 27, 2011 11:31 AM PDT reply actions  

The point of the Home-Away is to eliminate a bad day.

The theory here is that the better team would do better both games. But, if an upset should happen, then the other team still has a shot. 3 game/ double elimination really make problems in scheduling, not necessarily in time, but in logistics.

by Adnan Ilyas on Oct 27, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

My own "crazy" system

Is based off an idea I’m pretty sure first got planted in my brain from a comment here, but: ten teams get in. Let’s call it top five from each conference to give conferences some legitimacy (also, by the time you’re that far down, even a dominant conference should start to even out a bit). Have the 5th placers play a mid-week play-in round, single slim at the higher seed based on reg season pts, to cut the matches down to an even number, give the marketers in borderline markets another shot, and penalize the lowest teams with a bit of exhaustion. Once you’re at eight, the top team picks who they WANT to play. If it’s the 8th seed, so be it – but maybe they’re dangerous and in form after running into the playoffs. Maybe they choose #2 – they were dominant all season but tossed aside the SS when a key player was injured or it all just went to hell so your #1 side sneaked into a win and wants to knock them off. Keep going down the seeding until it’s all set, and then it’s two-leg fixtures, higher seed 2nd leg, all the way through the cup final. This also means teams at the top keep fighting until the end, not just the bottom, and gives us all something to yell about online and with friends (“I can’t believe Sigi picked Houston! We woulda rolled the Union this year!”, etc.).

by Nick_in_Seattle on Oct 27, 2011 6:42 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

This is better and simpler. Mostly.

1. 8 teams make the playoffs.

2. The team with the most points East/West split gets the automatic NFL-style playoff bye week. The split HAS to be East/West to give it more competition. If that means someone — like the Sounders, this year — gets screwed, well… that’s the nature of competition.

3. The Supporters Shield gives you automatic home field—including for the MLS Cup, if it wasn’t going to be your home ground. Increases the value of this monstrously. Could make for epic upsets if the overwhelming favorite loses at home. Would make for great finals. Imagine the TV value if Seattle won at home…

4. First round stays home & away.

5. That’s it.

by joesz on Oct 27, 2011 9:16 PM PDT reply actions  

I like the NFL playoff model

There’s a pretty substantial reward for finishing top 2 in your conference (bye week, home field in 2nd round). I don’t really like this whole home and away aggregate thing. If you want a home game, earn it in the regular season

by central_scrutinizer on Oct 27, 2011 10:43 PM PDT reply actions  

World cup model

Top 4 from each conference in groups of four. Home field goes by record, so top seed plays all games at home, next seed gets all but one at home, bottom seed gets none at home.

Either group winners play home and home, with higher seed having last game at home. Could do one more round of group winner vs runner up from other conference and then the final, but that would be a total of 8 games, which seems like too many.

I think this has multiple benefits, it takes away the crapshoot one game system.
It gives the better records an advantage.
If the group winner v runner up was implemented, then a year like this would allow 2 western teams a chance at the title.

by satchmo278 on Oct 29, 2011 8:13 AM PDT reply actions  

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