MLS Playoffs: Sounders at RSL Leg One - Gamethread
by Dave Clark on Oct 29, 2011 5:30 PM PDT
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PrintTwo leg aggregate series in the MLS Playoffs favor the team with fewer games played. This has become known around MLS media circles as the "Curse of the CCL." But Real Salt Lake shouldn't take any solace in the fact that they've played fewer games. Their First XI has played in 313 more minutes than the likely lineup put forward by the Seattle Sounders. Sigi Schmid rotates his lineups and more frequently uses his substitutes than most CCL participants. The Saturday night match will not be decided by fatigue, instead by the performance of the players on the pitch.
Seattle's offensive force is quite diverse. Either five or six starters have scored six or more goals in all competitions. There are also bench scoring threats in Roger Levesque and the other second forward (Ochoa/Fucito). Salt Lake played 6 fewer games on the season, but the offense lacks diversity even accounting for that - only three players netted more than four goals. Diversity isn't the only way to look at the way the two teams differ. One is a classic diamond 4-4-2 while the other a much more fluid attack where Fredy Montero plays in both midfield and forward bands. Sigi's side is more difficult to defend, but Kreis holds an edge on the evening.
Rio Tinto Stadium in Sandy, Utah holds a strong reputation for a home field advantage, but its strength faded this season. Seattle has a win there, as well as wins on the road internationally in tougher conditions than will be faced this evening. With no away goals rule any draw or win is a positive for the Sounders, while a loss would diminish their hopes of advancement. There's a strong chance that this is a game that is decided in either the first 15 or final 15 minutes. The Sounders are better than the Claret & Cobalt when going up a goal and downright amazing fighting back from a trailing position.
The game is on FoxSoccer (national) and 97.3FM with Arlo White on the call at 7:00 PM
Pre Match Build-up: Projected Lineup | Three Questions | Scouting Report
Opposing Look at RSLSoapBox
Tactical Keys
- Mix Direct and Technical Play
- Feed Montero
- Deny Morales the Ball
- Allow Sabario to Dive
Player Matchups
- Fredy Montero v Nick Rimando
- Alvaro Fernandez v Chris Wingert
- Osvaldo Alonso v Javier Morales
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"Allow Sabario to Dive"
Edit – Hope that the ref doesn’t award the diving & is willing to pull out the yellow for simulation.
If he's diving
and it’s getting called. He’s not scoring. He sometimes over commits to embelishment rather than trying to score.
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Heading out to the Atlantic Crossing shortly
got my ’09 kit
Nos Audietis scarf
Beer will be likely be Newcastle
Say hi if you’re there.
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Damnit Andrew
You should be watching the game here.
by scottykimberly on Oct 29, 2011 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Praise Jeebus!
Free wi-fi at Addis Ababa Int’l Airport!!
Hopefully that remains the case when I relocate to the domestic terminal in an hour.
What in the world are you doing in Ethiopia?
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Awesome
I’m more jealous of you than the guys in RioT
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Hopefully I'll be able to follow the return leg,
by which time I’ll be up north in the Ethiopian Highlands.
I believe Al-Jazeera Sport carries MLS
and may be able to be found in parts of Ethiopia
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I remember seeing ads for MLS an A-JS at the end of the last EPL season
The joys of internet streaming. I’ve actually grown fond of their presentation when I can find a stream that uses it.
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When games are on Telefutura I occasionally look for a stream that uses Al Jazeera
They do a better job than Fox Soccer, that’s for sure
Yep, they do.
Mostly they carry the Fox Soccer Channel games. I’m based in Iraq so I’ve watched a lot of MLS on Al Jazeera Sport.
But the MLS games tend to be on Al Jazeera Sport 7, Al Jazeera Sport 8, or similar. Not the main channel. So I seriously doubt I’ll be so lucky here.
Prediction: 2-0 Seattle (Montero 28th, Neagle 80th)
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by alexyepz on Oct 29, 2011 5:48 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Get the win.
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Yep, staying home.
Just can’t feel good enough for the crowd at JJ’s tonight.
So the beverage is tea and gatorade. Yipee?
At least I get to keep using my internet watching setup: game on laptop, gamethread on main desktop monitor, general internet dickery on the second desktop monitor.
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Jeremiah set the Over/Under for Sounders fans at Rio Tinto at 175
Who’s taking what on that?
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I'll say over
I’ll even go over 200.
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Too bad Dallas didn't end up finishing 3rd...
Sounders fans honestly would have nearly outnumbered and certainly drowned out the crowed they brought to Pizza Hut Park the other night. Pizza Hut Park. Thats sad.
'Tis a shame
they built that thing halfway to Oklahoma City. I think things would be a lot different for them if they were downtown.
Real Salt Lake Starting XI
Rimando
Russell, Borchers, Olave, Wingert
Beckerman
Williams, Johnson
Morales
Espindola, Saborio
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Bench
Reynish, Schuler, Grabavoy, AAlvarez, Warner, Gil, Paulo Jr.
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Was this game originally
supposed to happen tomorrow with the others? Did they move it because it’s Utah?
There was originally supposed to be two tonight
but the snow storm in Denver delayed one
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I don't know that it moved, but RSL has rarely played on Sundays. I think you can count the times on one hand.
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I'm watching this one in my Ron Swanson Halloween costume.
It strangely feels very right.
The Seattle Sounders are just reDQulous
by Nathan Dye on Oct 29, 2011 6:08 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I am so super jealous
that you can pull that off. Mad props.
by Colin Johnson on Oct 29, 2011 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions
At a higher elevation it is going to be interesting to see what he's like
His fitness hasn’t been good at normal elevations.
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He must have played or at least practiced in Mexico city, right?
So he’s got to have at least some experience at altitude.
Experience at altitude isn't the issue
It’s lung capacity today
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Sounders lineup
Keller
Riley, Hurtado, Parke, Gonzalez
Alonso
Fernandez, Evans, Neagle
Ochoa, Montero
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Bench
Meredith, Scott, Wahl, Friberg, Levesque, Fucito, Jaqua
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I'm a little surprised that Ochoa gets the nod tonight.
Talk about playing your way into the starting eleven.
By the way where was the talk of Ochoa when we were all whining about the 3rd striker dilema a couple months ago. Had we not already acquired him by then? Who missed the boat on that one. (Besides all of us – someone who should have known )
If he had been acquired by then, he only just had been.
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I read Sounder at Heart Daily
And went to every single home appearance at the Clink this year and Im still wondering just how we went from
1) We need a striker to
2) oh, we have Fucito! to
3) Sammy Ochoa Superstar
It’s a testament to the epic way in which he’s swept in like a strong breeze, seemingly appearing out of the ether, we know not whence he came.
Obviously I guess I could look this up.
I think actually Ochoa addition was post deadline and we were already all dissapointed with Hanauer a bit. Then the team kept winning and fucito got some goals.
But the front office never gave up on that striker. Everyone else kind of forgot cause we were winning.
Now here he is.
Love this player.
Ochoa a superstar?
He’s a 25 year old who has less pro goals in his life than 7 players on the Sounders have this season. Let’s not get crazy.
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obviously my short term memory is so dicked and im too lazy to look this up
think of the above rant as a meta-study on how the soccer fans brain is formed. because I clearly cant remember what happened just a few short weeks ago though I pay attention to it daily and heartily.
It took til around the deadline for him to see much action.
As AlexM noted below, he hadn’t been playing much at all in Mexico the last few months before he came here.
Also, Superstar? Come on. I love what he’s given Seattle, and I think he has promise, but let’s not anoint him just yet.
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He hadn't EVER played much in Mexico
but it doesn’t seem like that was due to lack of talent, anyway.
Yeah, seems like he was caught in some odd situations.
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He got a decent run as a sub in his final season
2 goals
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Im not sure the exact date. But he joined the sqaud with little recent match
experience or fitness.
he was under contract in Mexico until June
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Altitude?
Maybe Fucito’s speed game would have less of a chance of quick recovery to be ready to go mid week if he played more minutes at altitude at RioT?
by magistermilitum on Oct 29, 2011 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Minor thing
Elevation is distance from sea level with your feet on the ground
Altitude is for airborne objects
And yes, it’s possible, but Fucito went fine when starting there last time.
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I myself
am also surprised that Ochoa is getting the start, but I’m excited because it’s different and I trust Sigi. I would have liked to see Fucito in there, but who knows. If Sigi is willing to do this here I think it either has something to do with 1) more compatibility with a non-Rosales fate or 2) something drastically positive enough to dethrone the nice run we’ve been having with Mike along side Fredy.
So for it to happen, assuming Fucito is 100% fit, it has to be a positive sign in that Sigi sees something big.
That's me
Sacrificing myself for my fellow man… The worst part is the fact that it is BAD vodka, and worse watermelon flavoring. Gullibility is my greatest weakness, thank you very much…
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I’d blame my vodka, but I’m still working up the courage to actually get it out of the hole in the freezer I hid it in…
I'd take your Vodka over my Busch beer...
…any time.
But not come tomorrow morning. But that’s no excuse. Because it’s the playoffs. It’s. The. Playoffs.
Now if it was Busch Light...
Thats a different story. Or that might just be the Coug in me talking…
by eosrebel on Oct 29, 2011 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Busch Light? Eckh.
Not even when I was in Pullman…
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Oh, well then. If it's Greek, it's gotta Reek, right?
Just playing… I had some good times at parties down there…
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The Greeks at my college went through a "reform" period
After a fraternity got itself shut down. Recognizing the problems created by serving cheep beer at parties, they took action. They started serving good beer.
Also with no Wahl, Rosales, Friberg nor Fucito
Who takes kicks will be intriguing
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Neagle has some corner experience from the left side
But I’m guessing either Montero or Alvaro get the nod for a majority
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thats a good question
Does this mark the first relevant time that Wahl, Friberg and Fucito are all benched?
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Heroes will be declared tonight
Who grabs the playoff sword and slams it into the belly of the Claret beast?
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I think Fucito comes off the bench and scores a dagger.
… but that might just be because I have the #ChurchOfFucito shirt that I won at the event on under my kit.
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by c_dowley on Oct 29, 2011 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
FIGHT AND WIN!
On the couch at home. Classin’ it up.
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Beer choice: Does it really matter?
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by Matthew Kachmarik on Oct 29, 2011 6:55 PM PDT reply actions
Getting restless for kickoff.
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Hinton's keys
Defending their forwards
Morales fitness
Evans has to step up
Ochoa net one early
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btrsports.net should have one
if you’re okay with sharing a chat room with 4channers
Am I the only one that actually doesn't like drinking during soccer games?
I feel like I can’t analyze shit
That's why you don't drink *heavily*
Just 2-3 beers spread out over the match are OK for me.
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I always watch twice
and for away games drink less than on home games (thanks Jer)
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Fewing's keys
Start quick
wide 1,2 touch
Montero & Ochoa’s relationship
Central Mid matchups
and keeepssss going going going going
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Have I ever said that I'm thankful for you guys?
I swear, I wouldn’t like sports at all if I couldn’t read actually good analysis on SBNation
Watching all the way down in Albuquerque!
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cautiously optimistic about the series
Lets go boys. Very proud and excited to be associated with this team!!
by chrisperry1983 on Oct 29, 2011 7:01 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Cautiously Optimistic
Is a great way to put it. I want to be very excited, but I’m showing some restraint. I do like our chances though.
by scottykimberly on Oct 29, 2011 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Checking in from Montana
Where the scarf isn’t just a sign of support….it really doe come in handy on cold days like today! Lets go Sounders!
by 51dimes on Oct 29, 2011 7:03 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
wow, that is fancy
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Oct 29, 2011 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions
SSSSSSSSSSSSSSOUNDERRRRRRRRSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
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And the RSL TIFO is ..
…the team’s logo???
by regnaD kciN on Oct 29, 2011 7:06 PM PDT via iPhone app reply actions
I think that's all it ever is.
Never seen another at RioT anyways.
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Montero is tracking times he's fouled
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For those of you with FSC
Can you tell me what minute it is so that I can see how many minutes/seconds my feed is behind?
Wow, ECS definitely coming through
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i'm guessing they have different mic setups?
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Oct 29, 2011 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Almost certainly
for radio you have to have the pbp guy come through clear
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I am going to need to tell Arlo that cobalt is their blue color
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Service on the first corner was very poor
I hope our set pieces look prettier than that for the rest of the night.
What was Riley doing there?
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Well that was a dubious call from Geiger
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I don't talk about referees
:D
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Haven't really settled in yet.
Would like to see us link a few passes together for a bit.
For those using internet streams: Arlo on over-the-air radio is about three seconds ahead of the stream I posted earlier.
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Radio 97.3 feed seems perfectly synched with FSC
Not the internet streaming radio feed which is about 30 seconds behind play.
it's nowhere near synced with Comcast
South King County digital.
by regnaD kciN on Oct 29, 2011 7:18 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I just had a nervous thought.
Do we have anyone sitting one yellow away from a suspension?
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Cards get wiped for playoffs.
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and they clear again for MLS Cup
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Oct 29, 2011 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions
refresh
me what are the general rules with Yellow cards for playoffs. 2 cards in 2 games = suspension?
two cards in any two games until mls cup
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Oct 29, 2011 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Well then nevermind.
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Defense needs to settle down
the random clearances are just turnovers
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Oi, that was scary by Hurtado.
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Olave is physically dominating Ochoa
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We're getting killed on possession
by regnaD kciN on Oct 29, 2011 7:23 PM PDT via iPhone app reply actions
RSL kills everyone on poessession
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That certainly looked like a dive to me...
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"Saborio goes down rather easily..."
Ya don’t say!
They've always been pretty physical, but they seem to be giving it a little extra oompf tonight
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How many times can Russel foul before its a yellow?
I swear that was his 4th foil
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IMO I don't like consistent foul play as a reason for a yellow
I met a possum.
by s0merand0mdude on Oct 29, 2011 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Depends on what's happening.
Sometimes it’s the only way for a ref to take some control back when a player is getting wild.
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You
can get a yellow for persistent fouling.
I know, I'm saying I don't like it.
I met a possum.
by s0merand0mdude on Oct 29, 2011 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions
you
rather see players continuing to foul over and over again?
Depends on the foul
If you do a lot of tiny little mis-timed tackles that never really hurt anyone, then no, I don’t want you to get a yellow. If you’re consistently mis-timing slide tackles or preventing breakaways, yes, give ’em a yellow.
I met a possum.
by s0merand0mdude on Oct 29, 2011 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Man, this is going to fry my nerves
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I don't praise Leo much, but damn was that a head's up clearance.
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We need to stop trying long balls
since when were we a punt n pray team?
I was wondering the same thing.
Seems Fucito would have been better for that.
His hair is everywhere,
Screaming infidelities.
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Jesus MC Escher Christ
I’m going to be a nervous wreck after this match, aren’t I?
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Trying to spring Montero against guys faster then him isn't workign
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Sheesh.
Our guys are losing the battle for possession in the middle.
RSL clearly with the higher work rate.
by magistermilitum on Oct 29, 2011 7:29 PM PDT reply actions
Ochoa is getting the crap beat out of him.
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I'm wishing Sigi had attended...
…the #ChurchOfFucito this weekend.
by regnaD kciN on Oct 29, 2011 7:32 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze
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thought that was a goal
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We've been so blessed having the American Legend as our Keeper
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I feel the same as most of you
Nervous. I think its because we have had such a great season and feel that we could do damage this year. Its because we should win this series. Go Sounders!
Fingers crossed that Olave has to go out.
Fingers extra crossed that the Sounders take advantage of him being gimped and score before he goes.
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He's been letting an awful lot go so far...
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WHAT?! Not even a foul when he should be OFF?!
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Studs up, leg wrap, and NOTHING?!
You fucking piece of shit ref.
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That better be a yellow
Jesus, that was nasty on the followthrough.
A chess match?
What game are the FSC commentators watching
by magistermilitum on Oct 29, 2011 7:34 PM PDT reply actions
Thats a scissor
from a rear angle. Brutal non-call
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That should be a red card
Freaking embarrassing…
how is that not a card?
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Because they're playing in Utah
by regnaD kciN on Oct 29, 2011 7:35 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I could've sworn the rugby world cup was over
someone forgot to let the ref know. This is atrocious.
That should have been an automatic red.
This is absolutely shameful.
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Studs up with a scissor wrap?
That’s a red.
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See, RSL I want to respect your style of play.
But then you pull that crap.
Another ref who just lets people run over us.
About time they card someone.
by magistermilitum on Oct 29, 2011 7:36 PM PDT reply actions
Don't know what Espindola is arguing
Two cleats up.
I've seen reds given for less.
But not for more, apparently.
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This is good for Ochoa
He might be able to beat 1 of their 2 big backs, but I doubted he’d be effective against both.
Schuler's not much smaller.
Doesn’t play as rough as Olave, but I wouldn’t guarantee that Ochoa will have much of an easier time.
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Olave has to come out
somehow he hurt himself by beating the shit out of Ochoa
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by Dave Clark on Oct 29, 2011 7:38 PM PDT reply actions 20 recs
wish i could mobile rec this
by chrisperry1983 on Oct 29, 2011 7:39 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Took care of it for ya.
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MLS will always be a 2nd rate league until we clean up the refereeing
and that’s something the USSF has real control over. If Klinnsman really wants to change the culture of soccer in America, start by cleaning up this jokes that aren’t fit to ref a sunday pub league.
by olorcain on Oct 29, 2011 7:39 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Arlo says he won't spend all night criticizing the referee
provided of course his performance improves over the next 60 minutes or so.
Was just about to quote that.
I love Arlo so, so much.
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Booing Fernandez?
What’s the deal? Did I miss some subtext?
by magistermilitum on Oct 29, 2011 7:41 PM PDT reply actions
They think he was faking it
When he was scissorkicked.
by scottykimberly on Oct 29, 2011 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Great chance there
Too bad we couldn’t do much with it
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random question
Sorry to be off topic, but does the away goals rule apply in MLS playoffs? Or does one team have to have a clear advantage on aggregate?
by BaltimoreIslander on Oct 29, 2011 7:43 PM PDT via iPhone app reply actions
no
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Oct 29, 2011 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Just aggregate, I believe.
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No, it's straight-up aggregate.
I met a possum.
by s0merand0mdude on Oct 29, 2011 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Away goal rule does NOT apply
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thanks to all
10 responses within a second, love this site
by BaltimoreIslander on Oct 29, 2011 7:45 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
"Olave won't be back tonight, but he might be back for the second leg"
Of course he won’t be back, they subbed him.
Thank god for the mute button and a radio...
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American mentality
“Oh, they only get three subs a game? How the heck do they manage that?”
I met a possum.
by s0merand0mdude on Oct 29, 2011 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Right Quad
strain according to mayers and he would have to be extremely lucky to beable to play the 2nd leg or at least be on the 18.
I started with Scotch Ale
I may just need scotch
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That was a really awful tackle from Alvaro...
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Rosales absence maybe bigger than we gave it credit for
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Oct 29, 2011 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions
We haven't earned their respect and subsequently space yet
If Rosales was in we’d have had it already.
I hope we settle into the game
in the second half. RSL pressure has been very good so far.
HE WAS STANDING ON THE GOAL-LINE
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HOW THE FUCK IS HE ON SIDE
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should not have counted
but if saborio doesn’t touch it, it goes in anyway
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This is absolutely ludicrous.
Ridiculous. Awful. Horrid. Criminal.
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get better cameras
God I love that FSC exists but its presentation is awful, on a side note: Noooooooooooooooo
by BaltimoreIslander on Oct 29, 2011 7:50 PM PDT via iPhone app reply actions
What the fuck was that.
I sincerely don’t understand why the MLS is so intent on fucking the Sounders at every opportunity.
Can I punch the entire crowd in the face?
I met a possum.
by s0merand0mdude on Oct 29, 2011 7:50 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Might be a blessing in disguise
They’re going to bunker, we’re going to hammer on their gates for the rest of the game which is what we’re good at and is playing to our strength, and we might leave here with a 1-1 or 2-1 lead.
Maybe...
…but I sure prefer NOT trailing.
by regnaD kciN on Oct 29, 2011 7:52 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
No guarantee they bunker.
The more goals they get today, the easier a time they’d have in the second leg.
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Predictable
First, they don’t call shit against these thugs, then they don’t call an offside… Our refs are crap.
This ref can suck monkey turd.
Terrible, terrible ref.
There should be at the LEAST a yellow against RSL (probably a red, given the tackle on Alonso) and that goal was offsides, PERIOD.
MLS refs ruin MLS for me. I hate these guys.
by Orothar on Oct 29, 2011 7:52 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
the goal was offsides by a hair
Not enough for the ref to be able to tell without a replay.
Completely agree that RSL should be up a few cards though.
by Derek R on Oct 29, 2011 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I still think the ball would've gone in regardless...
I met a possum.
by s0merand0mdude on Oct 29, 2011 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions
You may be right.
But that should be beside the point; it was still off-sides.
Meh
The offside rule is played too ticky taky anyway. Defenders were in the 6 yd box, they should play defense
Usually
if its that close wouldn’t it be given benefit of a doubt to the attacker.
i rather
the ref let it play if he isn’t sure if he was off-sides. I would rather have that play then have a goal be taken away from us for being off-sides on it being that close.
Don't care
Mad about goal.
Hate hate hate.
Irrational, fan boy hate. Hate hate hate.
I’ll be over it in 20 minutes. Or by the start of next season (depending on the results of this match).
Kyle Beckerman is Ras Trent
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by Grady Clapp on Oct 29, 2011 7:53 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
that old americanism about
More physical play in the playoffs doesn’t work so well for us.
I still think fucito is going to get us a goal tonight.
by python6114 on Oct 29, 2011 7:54 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Fernandez misses one of those a game.
He will score the next chance.
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hopefully the offside goal will be a wakeup call
we have not played well untill the last few minutes
by Kevin Higginbottom on Oct 29, 2011 7:55 PM PDT reply actions
Can we get some numbers up to show me how much of a second half team we are?
I need some reassurance.
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I know off the top of my head we're 7-7-3 when the other team scores first
And that during the last 20 minutes ago we have a ridiculous +12 goal differential or something close to it.
definitely not what we had in mind
But we can take some small amount in solace that trailing early is nothing new or impossible to overcome for this group
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Nothing is impossible for us to overcome
but only if we start playing a lot better. We were totally outclassed for most of the half — like Sigi sent out the Vancouver freakin’ Whitecaps tonight.
by regnaD kciN on Oct 29, 2011 8:01 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Remember when Seattle didn't just blindly boot it into the tall guy?
I kind of miss that.
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by Dave Clark on Oct 29, 2011 7:57 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
They did the same stuff when Zak was out
I wonder if they’re doing it now because Rosales is out.
I met a possum.
by s0merand0mdude on Oct 29, 2011 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions
They do it when they have a tall guy in the box
They have some sort of mental issue. 6’2+ means just boot it somewhere near that guy.
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1-1 is a fine result
But i am feeling a 2-1 result for the sounders. Despite the goal we were starting to play better and i think that getting scored on wakes us up.
by python6114 on Oct 29, 2011 7:58 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Getting scored on like that definitely woke us up
The players are pissed off, especially Alvaro. He really, REALLY wants to bury the crowd. I can tell.
I met a possum.
by s0merand0mdude on Oct 29, 2011 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions
best way to do that is to score a goal
COME ON YOU SOUNDErS!!!!
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He had his chance...
and blew it.
Recessionproof since 2009.
by 253Sounder on Oct 29, 2011 8:01 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't want to be pessimistic
but even holding it to 0:1 and regrouping midweek might be not too horrible. The way we’ve been playing tonight, a 0:2 or 1:3 outcome isn’t impossible, making our home leg an almost insurmountable task. :-(
by regnaD kciN on Oct 29, 2011 8:04 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Thank you Wynalda
He agrees it was offside.
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It was close enough that I can't really blame ref for not calling it off
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Oct 29, 2011 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Indeed
if the ref isn’t sure then don’t call it.
I don't
know how you can blame the central ref on this. Its the side refs job’s to call if its off-sides or not.
I think I'm mostly upset it was Saborio that scored.
If anyone should be given the benefit of the doubt, it is not him. Lousy cheater.
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I blame the ref for all calls
that don’t go the Sounders’ way.
Behold, I am the irrational fanboy.
No need for a strawman.
Those angry about the lack of a call there are in their right to do so. In the most technical sense, the correct move for the refs was to call off sides. They did not.
That
isn’t how the rule is called though. If the ref isn’t sure someone was off-sides then he shouldn’t call it. For cases like this where its that close the benefit of a doubt goes to the attacking player.
I wasn't being sarcastic
See my post above – I was among those genuinely ticked.
I just also recognize that my state of being-pissed-off-ed-ness is largely dependent on the color jersey I root for.
What the hell was Lamar doing?
On the lead up to the goal, he’s spacing out somewhere near our central mid, and just watches as the ball is played by him to their left mid. Offside or not (if we had scored that way, I’d have been pissed to have it called back), that goal is on Lamar.
He has been fairly invisible all game.
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He's honoring El Lince...
…by doing his best impression of an absent player.
by regnaD kciN on Oct 29, 2011 8:09 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
He's in a bit of a daze
I’d switch him to our left. Their left seems more skilled than their right. Lamar may do better with their right side. He should be the first one off anyway. I’d be happy if Sigi pulled him at half, moved Brad to the right and put Friberg in at central mid.
Whether or not he was offisdes, we deserve to be down a goal right now.
by AlexM on Oct 29, 2011 8:09 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
For Ochoa who has done nothing
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He has been invisible...
but he hasn’t had a ton of service.
by Dustin Titus on Oct 29, 2011 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions
80% of threatening balls have been aimed towards him
the team’s mentality is different when they have a big man
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We should learn that hoofing it isn't our style...
you’d think after three years of it not working very well for us, we’d have figured that one out.
by Dustin Titus on Oct 29, 2011 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank God for Keller
or, more aptly. Thank Keller for Keller.
by 51dimes on Oct 29, 2011 8:12 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Holy wow
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"When all else fails, hoof it"
Not that that ever works, either.
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Oh, there's not a soccer match going on right now, is there?
Just a lady talking about soccer.
I met a possum.
I don't think I've ever seen us give the ball away this much in the midfield
EVER.
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by Brian23 on Oct 29, 2011 8:14 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't understand why they hate Flaco so much!
Even if he dived (which he did NOT) there is no reason to boo him so hard!
Apparently, you're a diver in Salt Lake when they try to break your ankle...
Except it you’re any of Salt Lake’s forwards.
by Dustin Titus on Oct 29, 2011 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Do we understand that possession is a good thing?
How do we keep on losing the ball in the defensive third?
by seattle_since_81 on Oct 29, 2011 8:18 PM PDT reply actions
Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck
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Is this our new cheer?
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kinda sickening feeling here. wow.
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Didn't mean that literally, Alonso...
I met a possum.
by s0merand0mdude on Oct 29, 2011 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions
there's still another leg
Lets not lose a player now.
by python6114 on Oct 29, 2011 8:20 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Oh right, we're from Seattle and this is the playoffs. I almost forgot.
by Son of Mecha Mummy on Oct 29, 2011 8:20 PM PDT reply actions
It'd be more upsetting if it wasn't true...
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No question.
Should have seen red. Could not have argued.
by magistermilitum on Oct 29, 2011 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Did he actually
attack him? Or did he touch him and dude fell down?
attacked him far off the ball
by regnaD kciN on Oct 29, 2011 8:21 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Attack?
Please. He went up to him to push his chest, like happens all the time in MLS, and the RSL guy flopped. When was the last time someone outside a soccer game was touched like that and was knocked off his feet? Yellow was the correct call.
No, that wasn't the chest...
I cannot defend him here, he definitely went high with his hands.
I met a possum.
by s0merand0mdude on Oct 29, 2011 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions
With a little bit of faith we could get back into this game
Is church in session?
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Why cant we pass at all to a green color
by ClaypidgeonCoug on Oct 29, 2011 8:21 PM PDT reply actions
Wait, I thought the point of this game was to give it to the other team!
We’re doing really well at that!
where you kick it out of bounds, apparently
by regnaD kciN on Oct 29, 2011 8:23 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Or according to Fox Soccer
“An infraction on the play”.
picked the wrong day
To playour worst game of the season.
by python6114 on Oct 29, 2011 8:22 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Lets get 1 back, boys
We look terrible out there.
Don't you mean...
…“to show we’re the most overrated team in MLS?”
by regnaD kciN on Oct 29, 2011 8:26 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
No, we're still #2 in points
That’s not a rating.
I met a possum.
by s0merand0mdude on Oct 29, 2011 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions
And we're also 0-for-everything in the playoffs
Until tonight, it could be written-off as the struggles of a young team. Now, we’re getting into “perennial playoff chokers” territory.
by regnaD kciN on Oct 29, 2011 8:30 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Lamar was on the field this whole time?
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Friberg for Neagle
Probably a good move. It was this or Fucito for Ochoa.
by magistermilitum on Oct 29, 2011 8:25 PM PDT reply actions
Friberg for Neagle.
Hmmm. Hope Friberg can take the physical punishment.
Oh jeez
Neagle for Friberg? Ugh. No tthat Neagle was doing great or anything but….is this an upgade?
With the way Neagle was playing, yes.
Friberg is better centrally, but he can match the physical play much better.
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Woke up at 6 am this morning,
worked an 8 hour shift, watched the worst Florida football team I’ve seen in my 20+ years of being a Gator fan lose to a bitter rival, internet in my house went down, walked through the 35 degree upstate NY cold to get to the university to bum their bandwidth and watch this game.
I really didn’t need this result tonight.
Good to know
Mugging someone in the box is allowed.
did that seem
Like evans was pulled down or am i just hoping now?
by python6114 on Oct 29, 2011 8:28 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Unfortunately, I think confidence and swagger are needed to get that goal right now.
Catch-22…
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If we score 1
I think we get a second. But we have to stop passing to them. They don’t even need to move to defend us right now
Plus, now that they're up two
they can park the bus on us.
by regnaD kciN on Oct 29, 2011 8:32 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I'm guessing the color of the new third kit has to be red, right?
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No way it would be red
I met a possum.
by s0merand0mdude on Oct 29, 2011 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions
It's a joke based on the color of the jersey that we're passing the ball to
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Ah, sorry I missed that
I met a possum.
by s0merand0mdude on Oct 29, 2011 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions
The third kit will be invisible,..
…and we’ll wear it exclusively in the playoffs.
by regnaD kciN on Oct 29, 2011 8:34 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Don't think I've ever seen Ozzie this bad.
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Request for the post match write up:
Our passing completion percentage vs. the rest of the season. I just cannot believe we are this bad right now.
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Can we put the KC away fixture result into play for this match, too?????????????
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The ref is not losing this game for us
Our inability to pass to each other is.
by Derek R on Oct 29, 2011 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
heres why this game is a disaster
I dont think our players are fumbling.
I think they are out skilled and physically inferior and can do nothing about it.
Its like this nightmare moment: sigi got a lot out of the daily grind but we arent an elite team when other teams care. We usually care. When they care we dont stand a chance?
This game is humbling to say the least and the 2-0 score is only the beginning. :-(
It's not the refs fault
That Seattle is losing
Man, this might be the worst Sounders have ever looked in a playoff game
And that’s saying something!
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This is unwatchable.
What in the world a re we doing. what is this passing BS?!?!?!? this is stupid
Yep. Wow.
Losing 2-0 would be a relief right now.
by Roger Sounder on Oct 29, 2011 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions
thank you keller
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Is Montero on the pitch?
I haven’t seen hide nor tail of anyone except the defenders and Flaco.
I met a possum.
by s0merand0mdude on Oct 29, 2011 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions
You can only chase so much as a forward.
He’s got nothing else to do.
by Ariaga2 on Oct 29, 2011 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ochoa was on the field.
He was the guy getting murdered repeatedly in the first twenty minutes.
by Son of Mecha Mummy on Oct 29, 2011 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions
keller is the only player
That is playing well for us tonight.
by python6114 on Oct 29, 2011 8:36 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I bet Rosales
would be feeling great with a little Magic Spray..
Also
Riley hasnt looked like he’s run well all evening
Evans is playing his style as of late.
Completely uninvolved. No idea why he started.
He seems to have been that way
At least since coming back from injury.
by Dustin Titus on Oct 29, 2011 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Alonso punched Saborio in the face.
That merits a play.
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Whoever it was that made the cross
That lead to Flaco with a shanked header
that being said
We can still grab a goal here in the last 20 minutes
by python6114 on Oct 29, 2011 8:38 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I think we can do it
I’m hoping for an ugly goal at this point. Ping pong around in the box or something.
by chrisperry1983 on Oct 29, 2011 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions
That was the worst f***Ing possession I've ever seen in my life
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This is just atrocious.
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Fernandez........ geee.
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Flaco
Is playing like a ding tonight. I honestly wouldnt be sad to see Roger.
Bring in Roger. Bring in Roger. Bring in Roger.
BRB, going to go find some rabid racoons.
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Oh. Levesque. Yay.
Maybe I should really go find those racoons…
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by c_dowley on Oct 29, 2011 8:42 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Possession has been beter since Friberg entered.
by Roger Sounder on Oct 29, 2011 8:43 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
True.
However, Friberg’s been connecting his passes.
by Roger Sounder on Oct 29, 2011 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Just a little bit ago
We scored two goals after 80 minutes. We can do it now! Go Sounders!
I doubt
Rosales plays next week. Its too risky to play him and suddenly him for the rest of the playoffs assuming we come back from being down 2 goals and win
Sigi said in an interview that they are more risky in the playoffs
Because its easy to rest a player in the off season
I would
risk it if RLS would actually play cleaner soccer than being choppy.
That's
the exact thing i am worried about.
Waaaaay too tall there
Gotta have a bit more punch to that, it’s gonna be one of the few opportunities we’ll get.
I met a possum.
damn
We need to pull one back even though i think we can win at home 2-0.
by python6114 on Oct 29, 2011 8:44 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
2-0
at home means we play extra time and possible PKs. 3-0 at home to avoid extra time
Uh oh, Toby from the office is hurt
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by Grady Clapp on Oct 29, 2011 8:45 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
This is the worst I've seen us play, ever.
Even in that 4:0 loss to the Gals, we had a few moments. There have been none tonight.
by regnaD kciN on Oct 29, 2011 8:48 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I think we just look like an average road team
Which is kind of a shocking thing for a lot of us to deal with.
I met a possum.
by s0merand0mdude on Oct 29, 2011 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Probably a minute at most
by regnaD kciN on Oct 29, 2011 8:49 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
saborio's 2nd goal
Reminded me of him being a good player despite the flops. That was pretty sweet.
by python6114 on Oct 29, 2011 8:49 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Was really amazing...
but I swear RSL dives more than any other team.
by Dustin Titus on Oct 29, 2011 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Chris Wingert is an infinitely better fullback than any fullback on Seattle's roster.
I’ve felt for a long time and still do that both fullback spots have to be the #1 priority for upgrading this offseason.
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Aside from the small matter of GK
by regnaD kciN on Oct 29, 2011 8:51 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I still like El Presidente and Parke
I just don’t like their backups.
I met a possum.
by s0merand0mdude on Oct 29, 2011 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the fullbacks are the least valuable positions on the field
We need to look at Forwards again and not be content with what we have. Fucito and Ochoa are promising, and Jaqua and White could have better years, but only Montero is proven.
On this team, they have been.
On teams that have good ones, they’re incredibly valuable.
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Sometimes, sure.
But they also can free up wide mids to do a lot more.
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I think ours support the attack well enough
They just aren’t part of the cutting edge of the attack, and Riley and Gonzalez are stellar defensively, while Wahl is better offensively but not as good defending.
No, they're not.
They’re acceptable at defending, most of the time. Riley is brilliant every rare now and then, and both have a tendency to put up horror show matches. Leo gives nothing to the attack.
If the Sounders were to get an upgrade at LB especially, I think you’d be pleasantly surprised at how much of an impact it would make.
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the fun thing about soccer
Is despite the fact we’ve looked like crap 2 minutes of good soccer and we could get a goal.
by python6114 on Oct 29, 2011 8:52 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
bye bye playoffs
"It's magnificent to be in Europe, and this club - a club like Tottenham Hotspur - if we're not in Europe.... we're nothing. We're nothing." - Bill Nicholson
Okay, it's really and truly over now.
Fun season, still got CCL to look forward to, but it’s fucking over.
I met a possum.
That's all she wrote.
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and now its next to impossible.
Oh well no excuses we played like shit and if it weren’t for keller we should be down 5-0 or 6-0.
by python6114 on Oct 29, 2011 8:54 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
The rabid raccoons would have been better than watching this shit. I feel so bad for Kasey.
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and the first almost chance
Damn embarassing.
by python6114 on Oct 29, 2011 8:55 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
The Sounders approached this as any other game
RSL approached it as the last game of the season.
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Try to break everyone in their way
and fall over like they were shot if any contact was made ever?
by Dustin Titus on Oct 29, 2011 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions
More than essentially.
Since it’s in February.
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So long, guys...
…it’s been a nice season.
by regnaD kciN on Oct 29, 2011 8:55 PM PDT via iPhone app reply actions
God, at this point does it even matter?
Watch as RSL fucks his knee over just to make the whole thing even more depressing.
by Son of Mecha Mummy on Oct 29, 2011 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
really feel for..
Those that made the trip down to RSL, ouch, come on Sounders, pull one back!
by BaltimoreIslander on Oct 29, 2011 8:56 PM PDT via iPhone app reply actions
Sucks that we send Keller out on this note
Maybe we pull off the impossible in the return leg, I guess
Leveque has been even more invisible than Neagle.
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It's Utah.
Probably filled with fruit juice.
by Roger Sounder on Oct 29, 2011 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Can't help but wonder how this game would look if we'd started:
Riley, Hurtado, Parke, Wahl, Ozzie, Fernandez, Friberg, Neagle, Fucito, Montero
Losing Rosales, then putting Gonzo, Evans and Ochoa in just seems like too many changes that could have resulted in a loss of chemistry.
by magistermilitum on Oct 29, 2011 8:57 PM PDT reply actions
What about Zakuani?
Would be nice to have him in the picture.
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What you said
Leo is a huge liability from a speed and foul standpoint.
we haven't looked good
At any point, we just kind of don’t look as bad but we still look bad.
by python6114 on Oct 29, 2011 8:59 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I do not want to think...
…of either espindola or saborio taking wahl one on one in this game.
Nice job Ref
Now you figure out how to book people.
by magistermilitum on Oct 29, 2011 8:58 PM PDT reply actions
Yeah
Once again someone gets physical and we fold like a cheap tent.
crap..
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This team should be ashamed of themselves.
They’ve let down their city, their fans, and they have let me down. It’s been dreadful, not two passes strung together, and they have No Fucking Excuse. It’s been sunday league shit, for 90 minutes. And if I hear any platitudes from the editorial staff or the members of this website, I won’t rage. But you won’t see me back, either.
Meanwhile, Sigi masturbates to the Platonic Form of Brad Evans.
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by AKSupporter on Oct 29, 2011 9:00 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
this exposes
a big flaw in our squad thats for sure.
there are indeed no words. This was inexcuseable. heads need to roll.
Because Evans was the problem?
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He was certainly part of the problem. Lacked any real physical presence, made none of his much touted late runs, didn't pass well. That dig was aimed as Sigi though, not Evans.
Interested to hear your take of the game, Dave. I thought we were pretty damn bad, all around, with the only positive performance coming from Keller.
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I wish I was 21.
That’s the only way this game could be salvageable. If I could drown my sorrows in vodka.
I met a possum.
I'm well over 21
and, trust me, it doesn’t make it any better.
by regnaD kciN on Oct 29, 2011 9:02 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
i have to say
That RSL looked thebest they jhave since the beginning of this year and i think they’ll win the cup.
by python6114 on Oct 29, 2011 9:00 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
RSL earned a 5-0 or 6-0 result.
They’ll have to settle for a 3-0 result.
That's the only silver lining I see.
5 playoff games: 1 goal. I need to start setting my sights lower, I guess. Lets just score a goal, guys.
by Roger Sounder on Oct 29, 2011 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
i got nothing positive to say...
Other than at least we get to try to pull off a miracle at home.
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I expect to see the most amazing offensive spectacle an MLS team has ever shown
by Derek R on Oct 29, 2011 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I expect us to get a goal.
Maybe.
by regnaD kciN on Oct 29, 2011 9:03 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Still only 1 goal in the playoffs
History would say you are wrong.
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Don't forget about this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UX64lUaKHM
Earthquakes down 4-0 on aggregate 14 minutes into the game.
No reason to choke next week.
They have basically lost it so might as well run out on Wednesday going for a 5-0 rout.
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We aren't built to do well in the playoffs
It’s just that simple. We get pushed around and get stage fright when the real games begin. We couldn’t pass, we couldn’t defend, I don’t know if we could shoot, because we didn’t really create chances.
Seemed like they could open us up on both wings at will and we had no counter.
Bleck, just a terrible game.
don't fall into that trap
This was same team that faced 14 win-or-go-home games over the past three seasons and won every one. It’s not as simple as not being built for playoffs.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Oct 29, 2011 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I wonder if our perennial difficulty in converting PKs has something to do with this.
Not a ton of composure?
yeah
But the book on us is get physical and we fold. In the Cup games, they got called pretty tight. Tonight the ref swallowed the whistle, just like they always do in the first round. The game changes and we don’t have the physical skills to stand up to that change in play. It rattled us and we buckled.
Fortunately with both Borchers and Olave injured
if they don’t play, and we actually do play the way we have all season until this game. I think we still have a chance. Maybe not much of one, but I hope we at least make it competitive…
I honestly think it was a mistake to not start Fucito.
The reason Ochoa has done so well is because the other team is exhausted by the time he comes on.
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I agree
i wasn’t exactly amused that sigi didn’t start fucito.
Then why didn't Fucito score 6 or 7 when he came on.
Oh yeah, no service, just like Ochoa got no service.
But fucito
manged to get into the Centerback’s skin in the away game against RSL this season causing them to go down a guy.
Fucito came in against an already subbed defender and a tteam with a 2 goal lead.
No reason for them to open up and give him any space. They were already bunkering by the time he got on the field.
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As opposed
to when Ochoa came on and we were down a goal and they were bunkered and he scored…
I think that was mostly Friberg vs Evans
Evans really dumped out there.
by blakec on Oct 29, 2011 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Evans isn't to blame for bad passes towards Ochoa
by Alonso, Neagle, Alvaro, Hurtado, Parke, Rile and Gonzalez
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I agree
how much i dislike Evans. You can’t blame him for other players poor passing.
bleh
make that with how much i dislike Evans, you can’t blame him for other players poor passing.
Other players passed poorly. As did Evans. Don't defend the others, but don't Evans, he was poor and we all saw it.
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Singling out Evans, as you and blake have done
is absurd. Absolutely totally unjustified. He was easily more effective than half the team. He’s been a better passer than Friberg the entire season.
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Dave, it's clear you favor Evans. That's fine.
I don’t think his inclusion in the center of midfield was justified. We improved after Friberg came on – though part of that was Neagle coming off. The whole team has some questions to answer.
To be frank, I have trouble taking what you say seriously after you contended last week that players don’t play with a lack of confidence if they are playing poorly, based on interactions with the ‘’hundreds of athletes you have met.’ Athletes are people. When they play well, they have high confidence. When they don’t, their confidence generally suffers. I’d be curious to hear what you think good form or poor form actually IS, when you take confidence out of the equation. /end tangential rant.
Back to tonight’s match, I think Sigi fell into some of his old traps. Sure, we suffered without the creativity of Rosales, but the choice to start with Evans, going with the big/small pairing (nothing against Ochoa, personally, I would have started Fucito but that is a tricky decision) just didn’t work out.
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by AKSupporter on Oct 29, 2011 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
It's more clear that you can't think rationally about Evans
6 players had worse pass completeion percentages on the evening, yet you singled him out. You actually related playing Evans to masturbation.
When I say that Friberg was a worse passer, worse ball winner and worse offensive force over the course of the seaon I’m not making it up. Friberg is better at dead ball service.
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Sure, I was colorful in my metaphor. But the point is that Evans played poorly, AS DID THE REST OF THE TEAM.
Make it about Evans if you want to. Maybe I invited that, even if my intention was to have a go at overly ‘safe zone’ personnel choices. The thrust of my argument is that we played like garbage, and I’d love, for my own psyche, to be proved wrong. Please commence now.
Still curious to hear what your thoughts are on the confidence of footballers.
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by AKSupporter on Oct 29, 2011 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Same here
But I doubt it would have made a difference. When you get outclassed this thoroughly, it’s a team effort. In particular, our midfield was utterly pathetic — most definitely including Honey Badger. (On which subject, I wonder if he picks up a suspension when the league reviews the tapes? It wouldn’t surprise me.)
by regnaD kciN on Oct 29, 2011 9:11 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
They won't suspend him for that.
If the RSL player doesn’t dive, it doesn’t look like anything. It was a stupid push on Ozzie’s part, he got a yellow appropriately, end of story.
Playoffs
results determine draft order from #10-19 in the draft. So Seattle can end up being #10 to #19 in the draft order which #19 is MLS Cup winners.
I would assume #12 at the highest...
Since two wild card teams are already out of the playoffs.
@ritual605
by Greg Pirkl Lives on Oct 29, 2011 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Remember Liverpool in 2005 Champions League Final?
Down 3 nil at the half and came back to beat Milan on PKs. We can do this!!!!
Come on Seattle!
Fight and win!!!!!
They erased the deficit in 6 minutes, too
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by Grady Clapp on Oct 29, 2011 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
That game really missed Mauro.
Wow, it must be nice to have a full strength team.
@ritual605
by Greg Pirkl Lives on Oct 29, 2011 9:10 PM PDT reply actions
Not that I'm making excuses for the Sounders play tonight,
but I feel it would have looked a lot different with Rosales playing.
@ritual605
by Greg Pirkl Lives on Oct 29, 2011 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Heads Will Roll
So basically this wasnt just a 3-0 loss.
This was the type of PERFORMANCe regardless of score that means things are drastically wrong in Sounderville.
There is no excuse for this performance even if it was a one time thing.
If our team does this our team is flawed.
This was no fluke.
We played like a team that deserved to lose by at least 3-0.
Who is to blame?
1) Sigi – went without wahl friburg or fucito.
2) neagle and fernandez – sucked
3) who team – suck
4) NOT Kasey Keller – because Kasey is a champ and played a fucking amazing game.
What are you suggesting?
1. Fire Sigi? See Hanauer’s recent comments that that would be “stupid.”
2. Retool the team? See #1. Same interview. Not happening.
They aren't
gonna fire Sigi after extending his contract. If they were considering doing that they would have waited to extend his contract.
Good to see
You took the time to come up with a well-rounded and reasonable response instead of blurting out hyperbolic claptrap.
Sigi does things right more then any other MLS coach
I sure as hell rather have him then Backe.
Interesting that you specifically point out Neagle and Flaco for sucking but neither of them would have been different with Wahl, Friburg, and Fucito starting.
The team was clearly not in it to win it tonight though.
I agree
if its choices between Sigi and Backe i rather stick with sigi.
Regardless of tonight's results, I'm still going to be at CLINK on Wednesday.
And I’ll be cheering my ass off, rooting for the Sounders til the final whistle.
by Jackington on Oct 29, 2011 9:11 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
LOL At Fox Sports
For making an issue out of the first goal marginal off sides.
We deserved to lost by 6 tonight even if that was offsides.
It's not over til it's over!!
We are so, so lucky that this particular leg is a 2-game aggregate, even though the rest of them strangely aren’t! Go Sounders!
MLS website says our passing accuracy was 64%
Ouch
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That even sounds generous.
I met a possum.
by s0merand0mdude on Oct 29, 2011 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Another ugly stat: RSL had 11 shots on goal. Seattle had 0.
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In the land of Mariners and Seahawks this is really dangerous
But at least, I think I have a good chance of getting my desired season tickets. As one skunk said to another—we stink.
by Brougham Hooligan on Oct 29, 2011 9:16 PM PDT reply actions
Shit.
Sorry you all lost.
Do I hand the Galaxatives the title now or what? I really wanted Seattle to beat those assholes.
I respect your opinion even though it's wrong.
RSL is really good when healthy.
Assuming we don’t pull this out and LA even makes it past NY, they have as good a chance as anyone to end the Galaxy run.
There's a fine line between impossible and improbable
We’re unfortunately straddling that line very precariously, but we did have the best offense in the league, away goals don’t matter, we’re playing at home, and Rosales will be available. Not likely at all, but still possible
Plus both their central defenders had to be subbed out and one or both may not be back for Wednesday.
Think of this as only halftime. It’s a big mountain to climb, but the Sounders have shown me over and over that they can come back. Still gotta hold out hope. But it does look pretty grim.
@ritual605
by Greg Pirkl Lives on Oct 29, 2011 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
According to Jeremiah on twitter
We have scored 4 goals 4 times this season. We are still in the land of the possible
I still hold out hope if we get a goal in the first thirty minutes.
I’d just like to see us play the like the team we’ve all loved supporting all year.
OK, one glimmer of hope...
We scored at least four goals four times this year (Col, NYRB, CBus, Comm) and all of them were at C-Link.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Oct 29, 2011 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Well within the realm of possible
This is a Sounders team that has shown in can come back when down and can play in big games. I’m not writing us out yet.
We don't need three goals
We need a margin of three goals. How many times did we do that? Three. Against Toronto, Columbus and DC. At home we lost to RSL, and generally speaking we kind of suck at home.
the percentages are not on our side, to say the least
But we knew that, didn’t we?
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Oct 29, 2011 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
By kind of suck at home
you mean “have the third bet record in the league at home?”
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by Dave Clark on Oct 29, 2011 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Based on tonight's game,
I’m not really sure I care if Directv drops FSC. Guess it’s a good thing I wrote and bitched about it BEFORE the game.
by central_scrutinizer on Oct 29, 2011 9:26 PM PDT reply actions
FSC
is losing the TV rights to MLS games anyways.
Pretty sure they still have this years playoffs.
I think they’re losing next season.
by central_scrutinizer on Oct 29, 2011 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Well
yea thats what i meant. If we are lucky and advance we may not have another MLS playoff game on FSC.
Worst performance ever by a Sounders team?
Worse than 0-4 at home to Galaxy? I think so. We had NOTHING all game. It could have been 6-0. Putrid.
Agreed this game mattered a lot more
What I don’t understand is that they’ve shown 3 years in a row they can win the big games (USOC, this years CCL). We looked like we were struck with fright at playing a game that matters as much as the playoffs.
Part of it is the opposition in the playoffs
Houston in ’09, LA in ’10. Neither were pushovers.
This year our “reward” for being the 2nd best team in MLS was a date with the 3rd best.
But you can’t blame the opponents. This team fell apart tonight.
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Get ready for the most negative game of soccer from RSL you can imagine
Fredy/Alvaro/Mauro are going to spend more time dumped onto their asses then running I suspect
I really thought nothing could dampen this season
Even a loss in this series. But that performance tonight proved me wrong.
This team needs to make some changes. A healthy Rosales and Zakuani will help. Decide if Ochoa is worth a closer look… or sign a quality target forward. But we also need to find someone to start consistently opposite Riley on defense. Maybe a younger CB for depth, too.
I hope Adrian keeps working hard this winter.
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Don't forget actually RB for depth.
Here’s the question with a healthy match fit Zak what do we do with flaco? 2nd half sub or move him to CM with Alonso?
I'd put Flaco where we put Neagle tonight
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by Grady Clapp on Oct 29, 2011 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions
we have to score early
Damn not putting any shots on goal and they lost both their centerbacks.
Ozzie has been on edge the lat few games he’s been close to picking up reds and 2nd yellows for confrontations with other players.
by python6114 on Oct 29, 2011 9:34 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Kinda sucks for Wed...
Got some non-soccer people talked into joining me at the bar on Wed for the game. Was planning on a quality dose of soccer evangelism. Now when they get there I have to say, “Hey guys, thanks for showing up. The game’s gonna start in a few minutes, and we’re already down 3-0. What are you guys drinking?”
by central_scrutinizer on Oct 29, 2011 9:40 PM PDT reply actions
BTW, if anybody here cares...
That’s Mick Kelly’s in Burien.
by central_scrutinizer on Oct 29, 2011 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions
RSL showed today what a truly healthy team can look like.
It would have been great to have a healthy Rosales, White, Zakuani for this game, even if we just got them back like Morales, etc.
I will go to the Weds game because I love the Sounders
but I can’t honestly justify bringing the kids. 3 is too tough to come back from. I need more time to contemplate the RSL game, except to say that is if we don’t come out in a 2-3-5 (ok, a 4-3-3 realistically) then the pundits can whack at the Sounders like a pinata unabashedly.
by Brougham Hooligan on Oct 29, 2011 9:46 PM PDT reply actions
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