US Open Cup Final: Seattle Sounders v Chicago Fire - Three Questions
The two MLS sides with the strongest historical connections to the US Open Cup meet Tuesday night. Both Chicago and Seattle played non-ideal XIs in their weekend matches to prepare for their opportunity to lift the Cup. For the Chicago Fire this is their chance to reawaken the team, to renew their history and claw back into the discussion as a solid team with a bright future. They can become the third team to take 5 US Open Cups.
For Adrian Hanauer and Sigi Schmid's Seattle Sounders they look at this possibility of winning three straight. The last team to do this was Greek American AA in the late 60s. While many MLS observers dismiss Seattle's expansion success in the Open Cup, in 2011 they are clearly more than 'just' a team capable of winning the Open Cup. But they will still field as strong a lineup in Rave Green as any match so far this season.
Tweed from HotTimeInOldTown helps preview the game through the Q&A format. The normal three questions have become four while the excitement from both sides is hard to contain. The "#KingsoftheCup" face the team that gets to #DefendTheCup on Fox Soccer in a match that will make history.
SaH: What player has changed the fortunes of the Fire from first half to second the most?
HTiOT: The player who has changed the team’s fortunes the most has to be Dominic Oduro. If you split up the first 17 games from the rest of the season, the difference between the Chicago Fire’s 1st and 2nd half has been having a reliable goal-scoring threat. It is true that Sebastian Grazzini and Pavel Pardo have raised the bar for the Fire’s passing attack. It is also true that if Chicago brought in Grazzini and Pardo to pass the ball to forwards like Cristian Nazarit, Orr Barouch, and Diego Chaves, those three would likely be missing shots or hitting the post like they so frustratingly did in the first half of the year.
Oduro went from being used primarily as a wing player who scored 4 goals in 16 games to the top striker who scored 8 goals in 14 games. Those goals mean even more to a team that has 16 ties this year. He is the reason the Fire have started winning some games instead of tying every time.
SaH: With all the attention on the Fire's offensive reawakening people may not know that In 6 of the last 8 matches Chicago has given up 1 goal or less. What's been the defensive key?
HTiOT: The stretch you are keying in on coincides with Frank Klopas giving the starting center back position to Jalil Anibaba after the Fire acquired Dan Gargan to play RB. Anibaba has proved to be an upgrade over Josip Mikulic and Yamith Cuesta while Gargan has proven to be an upgrade over the player the Fire had starting at RB: Jalil Anibaba. On the left side of defense, Cory Gibbs and Gonzalo Segares continue to provide their same stellar play like they have all year long.
That gives too much credit to the Gargan/Anibaba move that is more of a simple tweak. With Frank Klopas as head coach, the Fire have given up 21 goals in 20 MLS games and just 22 goals in 23 games if you include USOC matches. Together, Sean Johnson in goal and Dan Gargan, Jalil Anibaba, Cory Gibbs, and Gonzalo Segares from right to left make up a unit that has gelled well and presents any opponent with a host of challenges.
SaH: Is this US Open Cup run the signs of a positive future of the Hauptman era Fire?
HTiOT: This is a classic case of going to the Magic 8-Ball and getting the answer ‘Reply hazy, try again later’. The positives are the team showed an early commitment to the U.S. Open Cup. Chicago won bids to host some of the games. The team put forwarded a strong starting lineup in each game. Other positives include investing in the youth teams, adding a team store to Toyota Park after not having one, a continued great relationship between supporters and the front office, maintaining the same price for 2012 season ticket prices, expanding the Fire brand locally/regionally. Supporters of the club are generally happy with the direction of the team.
Then big questions remain like why the team still doesn’t have a jersey sponsor, a radio partner or a consistent TV partner. Is Andrew Hauptman staying out of the way of Frank Klopas and Klopas has an organic build-up the core of the team approach or did Klopas just get lucky with his modest additions and Hauptman does not want to spend big on players?
Right now the fans don’t know because Hauptman and his front office keep their cards close to their chest. That’s one management style and right now it’s hard to argue with the results but it sure was frustrating not knowing the upper management’s thoughts when things looked very dark this summer. 2012 will be a big test of what the Hauptman Era can achieve. Certain players like Marco Pappa and Dominic Oduro have demonstrated desires to play aboard. Pavel Pardo’s contract is up at the end of the year. Fire fans have tasted a return to a winning streak. For a franchise so use to success, a quick fall back to the bottom would be unacceptable. I personally think things are on the right track but fans are like passengers on a bus right now. All we can see is what we are driving past. We can’t see the map and where this road is going just yet.
SaH: Which is your favorite Open Cup run?
HTiOT: My favorite U.S. Open Cup run is definitely 1998. The opening draw was a PDL team, the Chicago Stingers. The Fire had just won 11 straight games over MLS teams so what’s a little PDL team? In the magic of the U.S. Open Cup, the Stingers’ Joe Carver broke first blood in the 22nd minute and they were just praying they could hold the lead from there. Finally Frank Klopas scored the Chicago Fire’s historic first U.S. Open Cup goal in the 80th minute. Diego Gutierrez and Josh Wolff scored in the 83rd and 87th minutes respectively and the final score was 3-1. Chicago survived a nail-bitter. The Fire had to travel to San Jose in mid-July in the next round. This time the nail-bitter came in the form of penalty kicks which they came out of victorious 4-3 after the game finished 1-1.
In the Semi-Finals, Chicago faced Dallas at Zephyr Field in New Orleans, Louisiana. This was ironic because Chicago played San Jose at the Cotton Bowl in Dallas in the previous round. Either way, the Burn as they were called at the time had already lost to Chicago 3 times in MLS Regular Season play (scores of 1-0, 4-1, and 1-0). Dallas was itching for revenge but they wouldn’t get it until they dominated the Brimstone Cup in the 2000’s. Chicago’s Ante Razov scored an early goal. Dallas’ Mickey Trotman answered 11 minutes later. After haltime, Roman Kosecki made it 2-1 and Lubos Kubik added on an insurance goal for Chicago halfway through the second half. Leonel Alvarez converted a penalty kick in the 83rd minute for the Burn but Chicago held on to advance to the U.S. Open Cup Final in their expansion year.
The final that year was late on the calendar. It was scheduled for October 30th. Chicago had won the MLS Cup five days prior in a 2-0 win over D.C. United. Geographical rival Columbus Crew was the opponent. Chicago played their typical physical style (25 fouls vs. Columbus’ 15) and the teams were all tied up going into overtime. As overtime began, Frank Klopas, a man who had gone to high school in Chicago and led his school to the city’s soccer title, entered the game for Ritchie Kotschau. On a corner kick in the 99th minute, Klopas found the ball and put it in the back of the net. The ‘hometown hero’, the player who scored the Fire’s first U.S. Open Cup goal, the man who scored the Fire’s first goal in Chicago, had scored the last goal of the 1998 season and delivered the U.S. Open Cup to the people of this great city. On Tuesday, that same Frank Klopas leads the Fire into battle as head coach. No matter what happens, Klopas will always be the hero of Chicago’s first U.S. Open Cup trophy.
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HTiOT: Fredy Montero has 5 goals and 3 assists in the Sounders last 6 MLS games. This is after having 5 goals and 3 assists in the previous 16 MLS games. Has Montero's role on the team shifted throughout the year or is he just on a massive hot streak?
SaH: Fredy had a broken wrist early in the season and missed a few games (including the April match against the Fire), later playing with a cast. That cast seemed to mess with his balance a bit, and his shooting was well off during the stretch. While the 5 & 3 in 6 isn't standard production for him, he's clearly better this year than in the past. His passing vision and runs for quick interchanges have improved, he's faster and his ability to hit the game changing shot is proven. Still, he's on a hot streak, which will end eventually.
HTiOT: Both Chicago and Seattle won their Reserves League Division before the games were even finished. Orr Barouch and Cristian Nazarit lead the way for Chicago Reserves and each player made contributions to Chicago's USOC run but probably won't see much time on Tuesday night. Are there some unsung heroes on Seattle's squad that helped the Reserves and USOC success and deserve some praise here because they won't be getting it on Tuesday?
SaH: Several players used the Reserve League to get older players ready to complete in league matches. Zach Scott, Tyson Wahl, Lamar Neagle and Mike Fucito all took strong Reserves performance and turned them into regular season time where they've still been successful. Sigi has used a pretty thourough rotation of players throughout the season going about 20 deep, so it isn't like he's using a 2nd team in any US Open Cup game except for the Kitsap Pumas one. Now, he has set it up so the match Tuesday night will feature an ideal XI contigent on health, not fitness.
HTiOT: What room do the Seattle Sounders have to expand in the Seattle market? At what point if not already does Seattle brand themselves as America's team in a similar fashion to the New York Yankees, Dallas Cowboys, or Los Angeles Lakers that have fans from coast to coast?
SaH: There's plenty of room to expand the fanbase within the Greater Puget Sound. It's not like these "sell-outs" actually fill the stadium. Using the various friendlies as guides there are probably about 5,000 to 25,000 Sounders fans that don't have season tickets and likely another 50,000+ soccer fans who basically ignore their local team. That's just within the demographics that could be season ticket holders as local TV ratings are strong. Step one to changing all of that is to win trophies. Within sports marketing that's always the fastest way to grow the audience. Step two is to continue down the path of Democracy in Sports and fan empowerment. Lasting legacy connections to the team as an organization and symbol of the community help during the future down eras, while also helping get more notice throughout the greater Seattle sports environment. I hope that the Sounders front office doesn't actively pursue a national branding as being a team for more than Seattle. The area isn't tapped yet, and it would be inauthentic to grow beyond Washington state until it is. Still, the team and supporters groups should work to include the diaspora of fans that have connections to Seattle but no longer live here. The most active of these groups is the SoCal Sound which helps flood the HDC twice a year.
HTiOT: What is your favorite US Open Cup run?
SaH: I'm part of that rare breed that followed the A-League/USL Seattle Sounders, so for me the 2009 run was particularly special. After falling in the semis two years in a row, it was an excellent was to signify that the team had taken the step from D2 to D1 successfully. It also included a win over the Portland Timbers down in Portland, the Zombie Jaqua performance at Starfire when he played in a no number shirt with a bandage around his head and was capped off by beating DC United at RFK. After they had there little "we win trophies" campaign, knocked prices down to like 2$ for anything and still couldn't sell 20,000 seats it was great to watch Seattle win that one. My only wish is that I'd been one of the hundreds of fans that met the team at the airport when they flew in at 3AM.
And now a questoin for you. What was your favorite US Open Cup run and why?
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Not to rub it in
but the airport meeting after the 09 USOC win was awesome.
Different topic: Could the Sounders ever actually be “America’s team” ? Seattle isn’t the media market that NY/LA are. If we won 10 MLS Cups in a row, I would still wager that LAG/RBNY would be the more recognized names. Sure there are teams outside the big 4 of England, but I bet you the majority of the soccer following public around the world follow one of those big four, rather than any of the also-rans.
the big 4 are the big 4 because they win
There are other teams in large population areas that don’t get the support.
When ever someone brings up how difficult marketing a team or player in Seattle is I have to mention one name – ken griffey Jr. He was merely the most popular baseball player in the 90s
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by Dave Clark on Oct 3, 2011 9:58 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Geography
Ask the average American to look at a map of Europe and put push pins in the following cities:
Manchester, Liverpool, Milan, Barcelona.
How many could do it? Heck, how many could actually look at a topo map of the Europe and get push pins within a 100 mile radius of London, Paris, Rome and Madrid?
Geography can be overcome by success, even in the US. The Dallas Cowboys as America’s team? What addelpated marketing mind would have come up with that scenario if not for Landry, Staubach and company?
The also rans are teams
that do not win titles. If Sounders do, they we are not an also ran. I think it is possible but I do not really care if we are or not so long as we win! :)
That is a good point
No trophies = no glory.
To Dave’s point above, you are right that Griffey was Major League Baseball in the 90’s. But the M’s were still just another team. I think Seattle teams can be successful and powerful, but in the end it’s as if West Coast teams – save those from LA – are immediate writeoffs to popular media. Seahawks won NFC West 4 years in a row including a Superbowl appearance, and still never got any kind of credit or even benefit of the doubt with commentators. All they could talk about was Shawn Alexander, the rest of the team seemed nonexistant.
by chrisperry1983 on Oct 3, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
National people talk about the Seahawks and the gamechanging atmosphere every week
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They'd probably tell you it's because they have nothing else to talk about in Seattle
I mean, that only ever gets mentioned during the broadcast of games in Seattle. Watch the ESPN postmatch video and they talk about Atlanta for 9-10ths of the time before throwing a little bone… “So what about Seattle?” “They’re not very good” laughs all around.
They talk the 12th man, sure
But the actual team never gets any credit for their hard work and good play. Of course, they are not playing particularly well this season, but it’s as if the commentators have this love affair with the east and midwest.
by chrisperry1983 on Oct 3, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Case in point, all national media will be covering NY v LA Tuesday night...
and since the game is on ESPN vs the Open Cup on FSC, guess which one will have a bigger audience! MLS doesn’t care about the Open Cup, much less Seattle.
Couldn't that be due to TV contracts though?
by chrisperry1983 on Oct 3, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
NY v LA is a make up game...
it didn’t have to be scheduled on the same day, on a different channel.
by ballardiana on Oct 3, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
actually
Along these lines, does MLS every get play on ESPN besides the games?
I don’t have cable so… in your average sports center do they even show MLS highlights?
I've never seen MLS (or soccer) highlights on sports center
Of course I don’t watch sport center because they don’t show soccer highlights. It’s a vicious circle of soccer neglect.
They do occasionally make the top 10
Hassli’s goal was on there.
They had Levesque’s scuba celebration on some of the daytime shows the following day.
It happens, but it’s exceedingly rare, like a unicorn sighting, or an actual Honey Badger.
If they scheduled them to be played at exactly the same time
you have an arguement. Instead, at least on the MLS website, they are touting it as a kind of double header “Super Tuesday”. LA vs NY at 8:00pm EDT, and SEA vs CHI @ 10:00pm EDT. Even though they are on two different channels…
A double header on 2 different channels?
You really think ESPN announcers will be promoting a game on FSC during their broadcast?
I didn't say that
I said MLS is trying to promote it as a kind of double header.
The two different channels can’t be helped. I’m sure ESPN had NY vs LA pegged for a while, and FSC has the rights to the Open Cup final. So not much could be done.
I can say I wouldn’t be surprised if the ESPN announcers mention Open Cup since it is an important competition involving MLS, but I would expect them to.
More telling still is soccer coverage on the web
Look at the Fox Soccer website. Now try to find an MLS related headline or column. Throughout this phenomenal Sounders season, Fox on the web has all but ignored the Sounders. CONCACAF coverage? LA and just about everyone else is mentioned first. Heck, when the Sounders clinched a spot in the QF, Galaracep used Seattle in the headline and then spent most of the article talking about Toronto. When he finally got back around to the Sounders, he started to make a comment about Rosales and never finished the sentence. It was like he cut something and couldn’t be bothered to finish the article.
At least ESPN covers MLS on its website. But again with a distinct non Cascade spin. The thing that struck me the most about the game against Vancouver, was the fan support. Not just our fans. Vancouver’s fans. Sooner or later, some advertiser is going to wake up and realize just what kind of a potential revenue stream can be generated combining advertising during soccer and the NW market support of the sport.
pro tip:
if you want MLS coverage, don’t bother with FSC and ESPN. We’re doing a pretty good job at SBN, if I do say so myself.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Oct 3, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder how much of MLS' success iscaught up in this
If new media outlets like SBN cover the younger professional demographic and Spanish-language outlets cover the immigrant demographic, do we really need attention from the “mainstream” sports media?
I agree
You are doing a great job. The reason people look to ESPN and Fox is not so much to get better coverage, but to see the coverage that the average sports fan is going to see. The average joe is not going to stumble onto SoundersAtHeart very often. The average joe will watch sportscenter and see the days highlights. Or log on to ESPN to check some other scores and perhaps see a headline for MLS (if there ever was one).
2009 USOC, you always remmeber your first time.
I watched the final at my local pub, and the place was packed and loud. Seeing the away suppoorter one of my thoughts was “You lucky….”.
I found out later where the team was landing, and spent about an hour all alone waiting for ANYONE else to show up. Three times I concidered getting back in my car, worried I was at the wrong place, but finally someone elose showed up. Then 4 more, then a dozen more. Stories from different viewing parties were shared.
By the time the boys landed we were over 200 strong, a ~3am! I got to touch the CUP! The crowd was great. Awesome memories!
I got to shake Le Toux's and Nyassi's hands
Almost pooped my pants. It was awesome.
by chrisperry1983 on Oct 3, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
For me, it was the win over Columbus last year
because I was there to enjoy it. A clear October night, Qwest was rippling with energy. I remember the TIFO on the Brougham end, and the nervous energy that can only come in a final. We went down a goal but the home fans kept cheering. Then Nyassi caught fire. Remember how the whole team embraced him after his second goal? And what can compare to the thrill of watching Keller raising the trophy in front of the home fans?
Interbay
versus defending MLS Champs San Jose.
A bad bounce on a pass to Ching on a bad field away from beating them, but forcing Landon to come into the game in the second half.
Obviously all the wins and getting to the semis every year for forever now also.
It has to be 2010
Simply because I was at the game with a good friend cheering the entire time. We were close to GA so the noise was intense. I’ve got a larger crew and better seats this time around. Including a couple soon-to-be Sounder fans. Get your tickets boys and girls you don’t want to miss this one!
Not exactly open cup memory but related..
I watched bits and pieces of the 2009 open cup on the internet. My then 3 year old daughter saw Montero get stomped on and Wicks get the red card. She asked a bunch of questions which I attempted to answer as nicely as I could.
Fast forward about 3 weeks, my two daughters (the younger daughter was almost 2) were playing. The younger was being mean and pushed the elder. The elder ran off, opened up our ‘Cat and the Hat I can do that!’ board game grabbed a red card from the game, and came back running into the room holding it out like a ref. The adults asked her what she was doing and she said, “she pushed me. Red card means she has to leave and not come back!”
by lysander on Oct 3, 2011 12:22 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
nope... true story
And yes it was very cute. I was very proud of her that day!
Definitely the 2010 cup
I have followed the Sounders throughout their incarnation as an MLS franchise. But almost all of my experience has been through the television. Last year’s cup was the first game that I ever got to attend in person. A very special night.
I appreciate the FO NOT trying to market us as America's team.
But then again I hate the Cowboys and the Yankees.
by mrbs on Oct 3, 2011 2:27 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
word the f up
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Oct 3, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

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