Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Why Hockey Fans Should Root For Devils Vs. Kings

US Open Cup: Sounders Face Vastly Improved Fire

The Chicago Fire team the Seattle Sounders will play on Tuesday for the U.S. Open Cup title is considerably different from the one they faced back on June 4.

You remember the Chicago Fire, right? Lots of ties. No offense to speak of. Mired in another lost season. Well, put all of that out of your mind, because the team standing in the Seattle Sounders' way of a third-straight U.S. Open Cup title is a lot different from that one.

Unless you follow the blow-by-blow of the Major League Soccer season, you could be excused for not realizing just how good the Fire have been playing over the course of the last couple months. But you really should know that they have morphed into a team that is capable of giving the Sounders one hell of a time.

Let's just take a quick look at their lineup when the Sounders played them on June 4 in Chicago, a game that ended in a rather listless 0-0 tie, by the way.

Goalkeeper: Sean Johnson; Defenders: Bratislav Ristic, Yamith Cuesta, Cory Gibbs, Gonzalo Segares; Midfielders: Dominic Oduro, Daniel Paladini, Logan Pause, Corben Bone (Gaston Puerari 67’); Forwards: Cristian Nazarit (Orr Barouch 67’), Diego Chaves (Patrick Nyarko 54’).

Even including the three players that came off the bench, just six of them are expected to play any kind of significant role in Tuesday's game. In fact, the projected lineup includes just three of those players starting in the same positions they started in that game.

Since that game, Frank Klopas has effectively transformed his team from a rather boring, defensive oriented side into one that is actually pretty fun to watch. He has moved players into positions in which they are far more comfortable, brought in some veterans to shore up what was a pretty ineffective midfield and has even managed to maintain a pretty solid defense around his young goalkeeper. 

Star-divide

The most obvious changes Klopas has made are in the midfield where Logan Pause is the only likely hold over, and he's likely to be playing a different position. Pause is expected to start at right midfield after spending much of the year as more of a defense central midfielder.

His move out wide was predicated on the additions of Mexican international Pavel Pardo and Argentinian Sebastian Grazzini. While Pardo has taken up much of the defensive responsibilities, Grazzini has been the more attacking central midfielder as the Fire have moved from a flat 4-4-2 to a more dynamic 4-1-3-2.

Fire Get Hot

A look at how the Fire have played in all competitions since Aug. 7:
DateOpponentResult
8/13/2011 at New York T, 2-2
8/18/2011 vs. DC United T, 1-1
8/21/2011 vs. Toronto FC W, 2-0
8/27/2011 vs. Colorado W, 2-0
8/30/2011 vs. Richmond Kickers W, 2-1
9/10/2011 at San Jose L, 2-0
9/17/2011 vs. Chivas USA W, 3-2
9/25/2011 vs. New England W, 3-2
9/28/2011 at Real Salt Lake W, 3-0
10/1/2011 at Houston T, 1-1

The move also seems to have suited Marco Pappa well. Never much of a defender, he has been absolved of much of those responsibilities and is now allowed much more freedom. He's listed as a left midfielder, but in similar fashion to the Sounders' attack, you will find him attacking the goal from all over the field. His personal statistics have not necessarily blown up during that time, but his skill was on display when he took apart Real Salt Lake with a tidy hat trick less than a week ago.

The other major benefactor in all the moving around has been Oduro. When he first came to the Fire in an early-season trade, then coach Carlos de los Cobos tried shoehorning him into the midfield. The thinking was most likely that he had spent his entire MLS career at forward and had always underachieved. Klopas continued that experiment, but finally abandoned it just before the additions of Grazzini and Pardo.

Oduro's move to forward really started paying dividends, though, once he was joined by Nyarko up top. Since being paired with Nyarko, Oduro has scored eight goals in all competitions. Nyarko has thrived as well, picking up five assists and scoring a goal in those 11 games. With the speedy Ghanians as the forward tandem and the Latin Americans unlocking the midfield, the Fire have really started to thrive as well.

Helped in no small part by Oduro's 10 all-competition goals since that game against the Sounders, the Fire have gone 9-4-9 in all competitions since June 4. Since coming over from the Dynamo, in fact, Oduro is second in MLS with 14 all-competition goals (Fredy Montero leads with 15). Over the past two months -- basically around the time their roster really started changing -- they've been even better, going 6-1-3 since Aug. 7. 

Over this roughly two-month span, the Fire have been scoring at a clip of 1.9 goals per game in all competitions and have outscored their opponents by eight goals. That run of form has allowed them to qualify for their MLS record sixth Open Cup final (of which they've won five) and climb to within three points of the final playoff spot. This all comes after a start to the MLS season in which the Fire were scoring 1.05 goals per game and had been outscored by seven, while sinking to the bottom of the Eastern Conference standings. 

Of course, we would be remiss if we didn't note that the Fire's success has not exactly come against the same caliber of competition the Sounders faced in getting here. While the Sounders have had to play the Los Angeles Galaxy and FC Dallas in the Open Cup, as well as compete in CONCACAF Champions League play, over the past two months, the Fire have faced a considerably less arduous road.

Including Open Cup qualifying, the Fire have played a Colorado Rapids team that only brought 14 players, just one of whom was a regular; a San Jose Earthquakes team that is among the league's worst; two third-division teams; and a New York Red Bulls side that also only suited 14 players and sent neither their head coach nor his top assistant.

Their MLS competition hasn't been much better. During their post-Aug. 7 run of success, the only team they faced that is guaranteed of making the playoffs is Real Salt Lake (a 3-0 win). Aside from that, the best teams they've played are the Red Bulls (2-2 draw), DC United (1-1 Draw), Rapids (2-0 win) and the Dynamo (1-1 draw). Four of their six wins have come against a USL-Pro team (Richmond Kickers) and three of the worst teams in MLS (Toronto FC, Chivas USA and the Revolution). Their one loss came to a pretty awful Earthquakes team.

Almost across the board, the Sounders remain a better team. Sean Johnson may be Kasey Keller's physical equal in goal, but the Fire keeper has never played in a game with stakes anything like this. The Sounders defense is clearly superior. The Fire's strength is in their midfield, but any of their starters would be hard-pressed for minutes on the Sounders. As good as Oduro and Nyarko have been at forward, neither are no-brainer starters if put on the Sounders. 

Still, this is a Fire team that can not be taken lightly. While the Sounders' focus is still being pulled in multiple directions, this game has been circled on the Fire's calendar as the biggest of the year for more than a month. But isn't that how we should want it? The Sounders will be going for a record-tying third straight title, but the Fire are trying to tie an even more significant record of five Open Cup titles. Buckle up, this one should be fun.

Comment 32 comments  |  1 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

USOC Roster Limits

Are teams still limited to 5 non-US player for the USOC? If so, that might impact Chicago’s lineup as they have plenty of internationals on their squad.

I don’t follow the Fire, so I have no idea of how many of their players have Green Cards. I know the Sounders should be OK, given how many of our players have one now.

Perhaps an advantage, however slight, for the Sounders if Chicago can’t field their preferred First XI.

by jonnyreno on Oct 3, 2011 12:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Sounders green cards just another small advantage

In a salary-capped world its the little things that give a team an advantage. The rapid pace on which the Sounders organization gets green-cards for their players continues to pay dividends.

by Dizzo on Oct 3, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

It won't affect their starters

These are the Fire’s internationals: Chaves, Cuesta, Grazzini, Nazarit, Pardo, Pappa. My guess is Chaves gets dropped from roster.

Editor/writer at Sounder at Heart, MLS editor SB Nation. Follow me on Twitter. You'll Never Yacht Alone.

by Jeremiah Oshan on Oct 3, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is it only 5 that play in any one game

or only 5 over the course of the tournament?

by majora999 on Oct 3, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

per game

I am not a Supporter | I am not a Fan | I am a Sounder
Sounder At Heart

by Dave Clark on Oct 3, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

According to chicago-fire.com

The Fire have 14 players of non-US nationality. Are you saying that only 6 of the 14 are classified as internationals?

by jonnyreno on Oct 3, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

classified

I am not a Supporter | I am not a Fan | I am a Sounder
Sounder At Heart

by Dave Clark on Oct 3, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

the others have green cards or citizenship

don’t get against international limits.

Editor/writer at Sounder at Heart, MLS editor SB Nation. Follow me on Twitter. You'll Never Yacht Alone.

by Jeremiah Oshan on Oct 3, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Not as much of an advantage as I’d hoped…

by jonnyreno on Oct 3, 2011 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pappa

Off topic, but I’ve always wondered what the reasoning was as to why we took Stephen King over Pappa in the expansion draft.

I’m also really surprised Pappa doesn’t have a green card, yet.

by PeterJH on Oct 3, 2011 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Salary

If I remember right it was mostly about salary considerations. Could be wrong though.

by brokejumper on Oct 3, 2011 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

iirc

2009 was his breakout season. Plus he was an international and we had a full slate of international players. We should have grabbed him though.

by Colin Johnson on Oct 3, 2011 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

This game makes me a bit nervous

If this was a series, I’d be fairly confident of a win. In a single game, of course, anything can happen and the Sounders backline hasn’t been spectacular vs speed as of late (of course, that was mostly with at least 1 starter out most of the time). I REALLY hope Riley is good to go for this one.

I’d almost guarantee a Chicago goal, maybe early on. I just hope the Sounders’ finishing is good because Chicago will most likely give us a couple of good chances in the back at the least. The majority of their wins/ties seem to be of the shoot-out variety with them scoring as much or more than their opposition. I’d wager one team will probably get 3 goals in this game. I just hope it’s us.

by Nevtelen on Oct 3, 2011 1:29 PM PDT reply actions  

And...

when they won at RSL beckerman got a red in like the 10th min. That definately helped them out. Im not saying they are bad, and we must not underestimate them. But we are the stronger team, playing at home. I have confidence our boys will bring home the cup. I just hope i dont get too stressed out at the game if it is close.

by MurrayD on Oct 3, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not sure if Vegas takes odd

But some places definitely do

8/11 is about a 58% chance of winning in regulation time. Chicago gets about 23%

Nos Audietis

by sidereal on Oct 3, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

My first reaction was “hey that’s the wrong date, we didn’t play them on May 10th”

How do cup matches work with extra time/kicks? Is anything other than a regulation win considered a push?

by snu on Oct 3, 2011 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Final must be won

if tied at the end of regulation it goes to 2 15-minute OT periods. If still tied then PKs.

I am not a Supporter | I am not a Fan | I am a Sounder
Sounder At Heart

by Dave Clark on Oct 3, 2011 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I meant what happens to the bets. the way sidreal phrased that it seemed like 58% didn’t cover a win by extra time or kicks.

by snu on Oct 3, 2011 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

the bets do not cover overtime

If you place a bet on Sounders to win it, and they win in overtime, you actually did not win. Only regular time counts for bets.

P.S. Never bet on the team that you support, so you avoid double disappointment. Also, avoid any MLS games.

by seattle 13 on Oct 3, 2011 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

bet365 has the Sounders as 1.7 favorites

FlashScore

1.70 is -143 (bet 1.43 to win 1)

Someone check my math. I’m horrible at converting these odds.

Fan of: Cardinals, Blues, Sounders, Yellow Jackets, Wolverines, Rams, and Blazers.

by ColinMacLeod on Oct 3, 2011 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

game time decision

Editor/writer at Sounder at Heart, MLS editor SB Nation. Follow me on Twitter. You'll Never Yacht Alone.

by Jeremiah Oshan on Oct 3, 2011 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pappa

I would think that Pappa could start for the Sounders. I think he is probably the equal of one of Fernandez/Rosales/Neagle. It would not be a hands down decision but he would not exactly be hurting for minutes if he was in our rotation.

by brokejumper on Oct 3, 2011 7:48 PM PDT reply actions  

or Zakuani

I am not a Supporter | I am not a Fan | I am a Sounder
Sounder At Heart

by Dave Clark on Oct 3, 2011 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

How many minutes has Neagle got this year?

I am not saying I would choose Pappa over Rosales or Fernandez, but he would be in the rotation and get plenty of minutes.

by brokejumper on Oct 3, 2011 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, I didn't say "The Fire don't have anyone that would get playing time"

Just that they aren’t obvious starters.

Editor/writer at Sounder at Heart, MLS editor SB Nation. Follow me on Twitter. You'll Never Yacht Alone.

by Jeremiah Oshan on Oct 3, 2011 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have this awful image

Of Sigi putting Rosales in at 70 and Klopas calling out to Pavel Pardo (in a Cobra Kai outfit) Sweep the knee! Sweep the knee! Yes sensei!

by Milo1 on Oct 3, 2011 9:07 PM PDT reply actions  

We're in Luck

Thanks for the great write up! It is going to be an epic game tomorrow.

by Josh Mahar on Oct 4, 2011 2:04 AM PDT reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Sounder at Heart is a blog about the Seattle Sounders FC, with occasional forays into Democracy in Sports, Roster Management, Soccer Statistics and Life in Puget Sound. We are not the actual Sounders blog.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Twitter-icon_small
Fredy Montero with magic at the death vs. the Whitecaps part 1 (animated)
Small
On "fake turf" in Seattle, 2012 edition
Small
Andy Rose!

Recent FanPosts

Small
Sounders go after Drogba, yes or no?
Img957001_small
Substitute +/- Ratings
Twitter-icon_small
Fredy Montero mesmerizes Whitecaps' Joe Cannon (animated)
Acerimmer_small
Eddie Johnson Scores on Michael Gspurning? Yes indeed!
Paraguay_small
Sounders #awaysupport
Small
What's our line-up vs. Dallas?
Gopher2_small
2012 MLS Team Salary info VS Performance

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

Sounder at Heart exists on Facebook - Like Us

Follow SounderAtHeart on Twitter

Sounder At Heart on Twitter

follow me on Twitter

Follow the rest of us on Twitter

Sounder At Heart (Site Feed)

Sidereal (MLS stats)

Jeremiah Oshan (top 10 soccer journalist on Twitter, Baby!)

Aaron Campeau (Villa, Mariners)

Dave Clark (beer, specfic, mideast)

Brian Floyd (all Seattle sports)

Nos Audietis (podcast stuff, snark)

Chris Coulter (photos, academy)


Managers

Tiny_dave_with_scarf_small Dave Clark

Oshan_small Jeremiah Oshan

Seattlesoccerscene_small sidereal

Nos Audietis Crew

Avatar_small Aaron Campeau

254350_1953423628277_767159_n_small dano_seattle

Authors

Img_0349_small malcontentjake

Devlin_small sum anon

Small dennyoffside

Ravelry_logo_small Abbott Smith

Special1tv_o_small Timm Higgins