Sounders May Not Want To Talk Treble, But Why Shouldn't We?
The word "treble" does not get mentioned very often in U.S. soccer circles. It's a term that gets thrown around a bit in European soccer, especially with Porto (2010-11) and Inter Milan (2009-10) accomplishing the feat in recent seasons, but it's something no MLS team has ever accomplished and is therefore relegated to the fringes.
After winning their third straight U.S. Open Cup, already qualifiying for the CONCACAF Champions League and likely heading for no worse than a No. 2 seed in the MLS Cup playoffs, becoming the reigning champion of three tournaments is at least somewhat within their reach.
Of course, Adrian Hanauer, the general manager and part owner of the Sounders who constructed this team, does not take quite so much of a big-picture approach to it all.
"I don’t think about things in groups," Hanauer said. "I don’t think about winning the treble. I think about winning every tournament we’re playing in. If it so happens we win all three at the same time, that's obviously great.
"But it’s more of a thing where we take it game to game, let’s collect points, now we qualify, now let’s improve seeding, go round by round. It’s not the way I’m wired to think about it in almost marketing terms or grandiose bragging rights. if you’re in my position or Sigi's postion, those kind of notions can detract from what will get you there. You start getting ahead of yourself and start thinking too highly of yourself."
While it probably makes sense that Hanauer doesn't want to think in those kinds of terms, nothing should stop us from doing it for him. Such an accomplishment would be the kind of thing that could really grab the American sporting audience's attention, and there's no reason we shouldn't speculate on what it could really mean.
Clearly, winning the Open Cup is the least significant of the trophies that could potentially make up a treble. The other three are surely worthy of some debate, but many would probably agree that the CCL and Supporters' Shield probably fall in line somewhere behind the MLS Cup, which flawed or not, is the recognized champion of the highest division of soccer in the United States and Canada.
Taking Hanauer's advice, let's go step-by-step to figure out just how the Sounders could go about accomplishing this feat.
The next step for the Sounders is the one with the longest odds. To win the Shield, they'll have to win all three of their final MLS regular-season games and root for the Galaxy to do no more than a claim a point in their final two.
The Galaxy's next game is a week from Saturday in the so-called Super Clasico against Chivas USA, who is assured of having nothing more than pride to play for at that point in the season. A best-case scenario for the Sounders would probably be a tie in that game.
The Galaxy then close their season with a road game against the Houston Dynamo, who could very well be playing for their playoff lives at that point. The good news for the Sounders is that the Dynamo are a considerably better team at Robertson Stadium than they are on the road, as they possess the league's third best points per match at home.
Even if the Galaxy are only able to get a point out of those two matches, the Sounders would still have to be perfect in their remaining three. Saturday, they play the Philadelphia Union at home. The Union still have a lot to play for as they could finish anywhere from atop the Eastern Conference to out of the playoffs. The Sounders will also be nursing some level of Cup hangover.
A win there would leave the Sounders with must-win games at home against the San Jose Earthquakes and on the road against Chivas USA. Both of those are games the Sounders could should probably win, but there will be extenuating factors that will have to do with the other two trophies for which they are playing.
In between the Sounders' final two regular-season games is their final CCL group stage match against Monterrey. Although the Sounders have already qualified for the quarterfinals, they need at least a point in this game in order to win the group. A win would potentially eliminate Monterrey entirely, knocking one more dangerous team out of the tournament.
Winning the group should be of relatively high importance to the Sounders, as it would likely mean a considerably easier path to the final. Last year, RSL's winning of the group allowed them to play the Columbus Crew in the quarterfinals and to be placed in a side of the bracket without a Mexican team.
Especially in that final game against Chivas USA, the Sounders will also have to be mindful of the playoffs. As one of the top three teams in the West, they will not have to worry about a midweek game, but they also won't want to risk any injuries unnecessarily. Facing a similar situation in last year's finale, the Sounders lost 3-1 to the Dynamo.
The MLS Cup playoffs are probably the biggest crapshoot of the bunch and they are also where the Sounders have most struggled in their first two years. They're most likely to meet Real Salt Lake in the conference semifinals and then the Galaxy would be their likely conference finals opponent. Both teams post major tests and the Sounders have gone 1-2-1 against those teams in MLS play this year.
The final piece of the puzzle would come next season MLS season. Unlike years past when the CCL quarterfinals took place a week or two before the MLS season started, this year the quarterfinals will start the same week. The Sounders are lobbying to not have to play a MLS game that week, but MLS's ability to grant that wish will likely be dependent on how many of the league's teams advance that far. In other words, as long as an odd number of MLS teams make the quarterfinals, the schedule should allow for first-week byes due to there being 19 teams in the league.
The Sounders road through CCL is far from determined. As many as four Mexican Primera teams could qualify for the quarterfinals, as they did a year ago, or as few as two. As many as three other MLS teams could advance or as few as none others than the Sounders. Of the non-MLS or FMF teams, only Alajuelense seems to pose any real challenge to the Sounders.
But all of this is much farther ahead than Hanauer and Co. are willing to go. The Sounders GM seems intent on living in the moment and taking each challenge as it comes.
"By all means, there are times where i hope to get the coaches together and have a nice dinner, share a bottle of nice wine and we can reflect on it a little bit and celebrate," Hanauer said. "But it will be mixed with planning for next season and preseason and the quarterfinals and how to balance our roster.
"It makes going about your daily life and doing the daily tasks that much more enjoyable. It gives you confidence that we do know what we’re doing and apparently are somewhat competent in building teams. It's the same in any job, really."
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I know that the CCL is young in its current form...
…but I have to say that I hold it as the highest trophy the Sounders could win. Some day in the future, MLS could/should have higher revenue than FMF, allowing MLS to surpass FMF as the best league in CONCACAF, but until then, FMF is clearly a stronger league than MLS. Another way to think about this is that an MLS team wins MLS Cup every year, but has yet to win the CCL in its current form. I don’t think the league is so strong that we can consider the domestic league championship to be more meaningful than the continental championship. At worst, I would say that the two are roughly on par with one another.
A few questions
1) By what trophies are we defining this feat? It almost seems to me that a team winning any 3 of the 4 could claim a treble (USOC, SS, MLSC, CCL).
2) What about the calender? If they managed to win the CCL next spring, would that really count as part of this season, or wouldn’t it be part of next season? The overlapping nature of the CCL makes this some what awkward.
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by B-Lot tailgater on Oct 6, 2011 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, the major trophies
winning supporters cups is great, but they don’t define champions. It is possible for the Sounders to some day win both the Heritage and Cascadia Cups and finish at the bottom of the table. Would you call that a “Double?”
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I too qualify the MLS Cup as THE top trophy for the league
but you define the SS and the Open Cup as “Majors” in the trophy case right? I think the Sounders can play for 4 majors in a season. Winning 2 or more of those deserves a fancy European nickname.
"The fans are excited. And the stadium, well, it ignites with explosion."
It's called the Double
The Crew did it in 2008 under a certain Sigi Schmid
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I misunderstood your statement then.
I took it as you comparing the Supporters sheild to the Cascadia Cup. My Mistake. We are on the same page it seems.
"The fans are excited. And the stadium, well, it ignites with explosion."
I don't think anyone
puts the SS on the same level as the Heritage and Cascadia Cups.
MLS Cup is the trophy to win, but the SS is still a big deal.
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by B-Lot tailgater on Oct 6, 2011 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions
First season, second season.
To me SS = winning, and the Cup is just winning a knock-out tourney.
Sports. Right?
Would that everyone felt this way
But they don’t. Who’s the defending MLS champs? Not the Galaxy.
Either opinion will shift and/or this will just be what we discuss when nothing else is note worthy...
Much like the “Is the current Open Cup format fair?”
Or “Is small-small up front okay”
Or “Diet or regular”
….as long as we enjoy it
Sports. Right?
by mdkathon on Oct 6, 2011 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
TRUE
red’ed.
Do we need a target forward anyone?
by SoundersForever on Oct 7, 2011 1:42 AM PDT up reply actions
In my mind
A treble would be any three of those 4 trophies. As for what would actually qualify as a “treble”? Dave and I have gone round and round. He thinks they all need to come in the same season, so the current CCL would not qualify as part of this year’s treble. I was purposefully careful about how I worded the story, though, and basically said the sounders can be holding 3 of these titles at once, call it the Tiger Treble if you please. I don’t know if MLS fans, in general, have a definition.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Oct 6, 2011 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Its a strange issue of the MLS calander
CCL really throws things off. It takes 2 seperate rosters to win 1 tournament since the tournament takes place over two seperate seasons. If we won the CCL next year and Rosales lifts the trophy instead of Kasey Keller would that count as a double even though we have a completely differant roster? Interesting question i think.
"The fans are excited. And the stadium, well, it ignites with explosion."
Here's what I think
Sounders fans will call it a double or treble or whatever it is and everyone else will want to break out the rule book :)
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Oct 6, 2011 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
haha
Either that or they will claim the one of the four we didn’t win is the most important.
"The fans are excited. And the stadium, well, it ignites with explosion."
Qualification for the Open Cup started in 2010
Does that mean that Seattle won two trophies in 2010?
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Isn't there a differance between qualifying for a tournament and playing it in?
"The fans are excited. And the stadium, well, it ignites with explosion."
I don't really think so
qualification matches count.
English teams don’t win trebles based on the calendar year, but on the season. Here the season is the calendar year.
But like Tiger won the Grand Slam over two years, Seattle has the opportunity to do that.
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For English teams, the end of their season closely corresponds with the end of their continental championship
I think it’s not unreasonable to group the 2011 USOC, 2011 MLS Cup, 2011 Supporters’ Shield, and 2011-2012 CCL. It’s never going to be as neat and tidy as it is in England, because the group stage and knockout rounds for UCL happen all during a single EPL season, whereas here they are split between two MLS seasons, and ultimately some convention will probably emerge, but I don’t know that it’s clear what the convention will be.
Community Shield
… is played before the start of the season between the Premiership winner and the FA Cup winner from the previous season, but is counted as silverware for the purposes of the upcoming season. It seems reasonable to place the CCL in that category, so e.g. if RSL had won it this past year, they could count it as a double if they had won (or still do win) something this year.
by Kenneth Jung on Oct 6, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
5eattle
It’s a lot easier to use the calendar year won as the convention. Think of the 5eattle being won in 2012:
2011-2012 CLL in March
2012 US Open Cup in October
2012 Supporter’s Shield in October
2012 MLS Cup in November
2012 Club World Cup in December
I would call that neat and tidy.
by hormd on Oct 6, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
CCL schedule is tougher for MLS than Mexico
The quarterfinals are basically a preseason game for MLS and the team will hardly have a rhythym going. For Mexico it’s three quarters through the season (or half through Clausura) and the teams will have a much better understanding of each other. I see this as a major diadvantage of the MLS schedule misaligned with FIFA. I’m afraid this will favor Mexico to win for some time to come.
by Zakuani11Fan on Oct 6, 2011 8:49 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Misligned with FIFA?
FIFA has no schedule requirements beyond the international dates.
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Fair enough Dave but it's missing the point
to not acknowledge that MLS playing season is misaligned with the majority of the top leagues, and even within CONCACAF. Do you believe that is an advantage or a disadvantage to be misaligned?
I get the feeling that
training camp might start a little earlier this year for the Sounders because of that. Unless there is an MLS rule requirement I am unaware of.
It still tough to stay sharp
if you’re not playing competitive games though. Now if we only played MLS sides up to the final, that would help even things out since they would all be in the same part of the season. Otherwise we’ll be playing teams that are well honed.
by Zakuani11Fan on Oct 6, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Is it a disadvantage for the Prelims to be during their preseason?
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Level of competition
I’d rather play the preliminary rounds in preseason than the knockout rounds for sure. By the time you’ve reached the quarterfinals the better teams are through and the competition is much more fierce. This seems obvious.
the very worst CONCACAF leagues are the ones that are in pre-season
They are the ones that get hosed the most by the schedule. Already not great they are made even worse.
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Not sure I follow...
You mean our preseason or their preseason?
by Zakuani11Fan on Oct 6, 2011 3:35 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
the preseason for the worst teams
is when they have to beat in form MLS
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So you agree that the current system gives Mexico the edge?
The best teams (mexico) are in form when the knockouts start and we’re still in training. So that’s back my my original point that Mexico is the beneficiary of the fact that the MLS season is out of whack with theirs.
by Zakuani11Fan on Oct 6, 2011 5:31 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The other issue is travel
Mexico is centrally located to the region. Seattle is not. Granted this is more of an issue in the Group stages, than the knockout rounds, but it is still a disadvantage for Seattle.
Depends
It’s a home and away to be played within a week of eachother. If Seattle hosts the first game then the other team has to fly to Seattle, then fly back home making the trip twice, where Seattle would be in Seattle, then fly to say Mexico once and thus travelling less.
It’s the same thing that actually gives a disadvantage to the higher seeded Eastern Conference teams in the first round of MLS Cup playoffs. Like last year when New York had to fly to San Jose and back to New York, where San Jose just had to fly to New York once.
Oh come on,
We can call it whatever we want, Seattle invented the treble.
Why stop at treble?
Why not call it the “Quadruple”? If a team were to win all four major trophies.
Here's a question: if we win the treble, do we get a nice gold star above the crest on our jerseys?
Because that would be nice.
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I actually would love it
if we don’t add any stars ever, even if we have won multiple titles.
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by B-Lot tailgater on Oct 6, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
we add a star to the tunic
when we when the world club cup!
Club World Cup Champions 2012
by seattle dude on Oct 6, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I like the stars
up to a point (I’m looking at you Boca Jrs). To me they should only be for your official league champion (MLS cup), nothing else.
All those Central and South American leagues with apertura and clausura seasons really throw a Monkey wrench into things. Wait, how many champions do you have each year?
Stars allowed on MLS jerseys _only_ for MLS Cups
It’s a league rule so no worries there. I’d love stars on our third kit for Open Cups since we use them in Open Cup the most. Of course that means we couldn’t use them in league play.
Is it allowed to change the number of stars on the shirt depending on the competition?
Even if the Sounders win MLS Cup this year, it seems like it would be appropriate to have no stars for CCL play, for instance, but also appropriate to have three stars during USOC games.
In Canada TFC has worn a star in that play only
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Slight correction on SS race hopes
2 draws by LAG and 3 wins by Seattle would put us even on points, requiring it to go to goal differential. Right now the differentials are 21-18 in favor of LAG. However, if Seattle won all of their final games, they would add at least +1 to GD in each of those games, bringing Seattle’s to a minimum of +21. If LAG drew both of their games their GD would be the same, so in this scenario we would, at minimum, have to go to the next tie breaker after goal differential. And if we win any of those games by a multiple goal margin, we win the shield outright.
Not likely, but in the scenario where the Sounders win out and LAG draws out, we’re more than likely to win the shield.
I thought the first
tie breaker was head to head?
You know, I just assumed the firsst tie breaker was GD
You may well be right, in which case the above is vindicated. Not sure what the right answer is.
I think head to head is first, then GD
by chrisperry1983 on Oct 6, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
From Wikipedia's MLS Playoffs page:
1) The highest position shall be awarded to the team with the better win–loss record in current regular-season games against all other teams equal in points. (head-to-head competition)
2) If the teams are still equal in the standings, the highest position shall be awarded to the team with the greater goal difference against all other teams during the regular season. (goal differential)
3) If the teams are still equal in the standings, the highest position shall be awarded to the team scoring the greatest number of total goals against all other teams during the regular season. (total goals)
4) If the teams are still equal in the standings, the procedures described in this section shall be applied only to games played on the road by each team against all other teams during the regular season. (road 1-3)
5) If the teams are still equal in the standings, the procedures described in this section shall be applied only to games played at home by each team against all other teams during the regular season. (home 1-3)
6) If the teams are still equal in the standings, the highest position shall be awarded to the team with the fewest team disciplinary points in the League Fair Play table during the regular season.
7) If the teams are still equal in the standings, the highest position in the standings shall be determined by the toss of a coin.
8) The first tiebreaker in a three-way tie is also head-to-head, but it is determined via points-per-game versus the other two teams. If two teams are tied in points-per-game head-to-head, the next tie breaker is goal difference.
by chrisperry1983 on Oct 6, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep
I wasn’t sure either. I am of course, assuming wikipedia is correct.
by chrisperry1983 on Oct 6, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
it is on this point
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Oct 6, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
So just to clear things up...
Even on points would mean a LAG SS win since they beat us 1-0 and we drew 0-0.
here are the tie breakers according to wikipedia
1.The highest position shall be awarded to the team with the better win–loss record in current regular-season games against all other teams equal in points. (head-to-head competition)
2.If the teams are still equal in the standings, the highest position shall be awarded to the team with the greater goal difference against all other teams during the regular season. (goal differential)
3.If the teams are still equal in the standings, the highest position shall be awarded to the team scoring the greatest number of total goals against all other teams during the regular season. (total goals)
4.If the teams are still equal in the standings, the procedures described in this section shall be applied only to games played on the road by each team against all other teams during the regular season. (road 1-3)
5.If the teams are still equal in the standings, the procedures described in this section shall be applied only to games played at home by each team against all other teams during the regular season. (home 1-3)
6.If the teams are still equal in the standings, the highest position shall be awarded to the team with the fewest team disciplinary points in the League Fair Play table during the regular season.
7.If the teams are still equal in the standings, the highest position in the standings shall be determined by the toss of a coin.
8.The first tiebreaker in a three-way tie is also head-to-head, but it is determined via points-per-game versus the other two teams. If two teams are tied in points-per-game head-to-head, the next tie breaker is goal difference.
I am not sure if it is possible
But what happens if 3 teams are tied all the way down to the coin toss? 3 sided coin?
:)
If you wanted to keep the coin theme...
…you could toss three coins, one for each team, simultaneously until one was different from the other two. This was done in Friday Night LIghts (the book, not sure about the movie or the TV show) to break a three-way tie with two teams advancing. (So the team with the non-matching coin was dropped rather than advancing.)
Go the D&D way
Roll a six sided die. It’s Team A if it comes up 1 or 2, Team B if it comes up 3 or 4, and Team C if it comes up 5 or 6.
OT: Anyone have any insight on the mammoth-size burr up Daniel Hernandez's ass?
Check out his twitter, quite a few choice exchanges with Sounders fans on there. Makes you wonder what the FC Dallas policy on ‘twitter discipline’ is, especially considering he is their captain.
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Uh, anyone forgetting winning the FIFA World Club Cup?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Club_World_Cup
Win CONCACAF, advance to there. This shit isn’t over until the whole PLANET is rave green with envy. Bring it, you Euro weenies.
And yes I'm going there again
1. Cascadia Cup
2. US Open Cup
3. Supporters Shield Cup
4. MLS Cup
5. CCL Champion’s League Cup
6. FIFA World Club Cup
SEXTUPLE. C’mon, it’s technically possible.
Community Shield
We beat Colorado in preseason. That’s our trophy man! We’ve already won a treble ; ). And then we can still win the heritage cup, right? Oh and let’s not forget we’re the reserve league champs too.
I feel like a jerk to keep saying this, but none of the big clubs give a rip about the Club World Cup.
It’s a friendly tournament to them.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 6, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I mean, I'm not saying it wouldn't be awesome to win it.
I just think people’s expectations for what that would mean are waaaaaaaay overblown.
by Aaron Campeau on Oct 6, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, I guess the way I was looking at it is, before the Sounders went and made a huge deal about us winning the US Open, it wasn’t that big of a deal to the other teams. Now it’s got this cache, even if it might be on some level to kick down the Sounders.
Now, if we hypothetically roll into Japan, and our A-list knocks down the A/B/C vacation group that a Real Madrid, Barca or Manchester tossed at us, and we made an epic deal about claiming “our trophy”, well…
If an MLS team wins the Club World Cup
That would be a huge deal, don’t worry about that.
Maybe, but they still show up.
It’s a lot of prize money, so if FIFA has to bribe it’s way into prominence with the Cup…
It would be fairly significant, still, if a UEFA champ was knocked down by an MLS squad.
It meant a lot to Inter
As it allowed us to cap off a Quadruple.
They could well care more about it in the future
If the CONCACAF and CAF reps keep improving, it might be a more meaningful tournament.
Exactly.
It’s meaningless because in reality the Euro cup is the actual club world cup. If all of a sudden some uppity north Americans start winning then it might start to matter.
Don't forget Conmebol
They’ve regularly won the Club World Cup and it’s previous incarnations. A lot of the best talent comes from South America and those clubs are highly competitive with European sides.
Perhaps that's because the top leagues are all in Europe
If at some point in the future, MLS is able to position itself as a strong competitor to the European leagues, the Club World Cup might hold some meaning over there. As it stands right now, the highest level of competition is in Europe, so there’s no reason why a competition with other regions should matter to them.
by Randy Meeker on Oct 6, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I still feel it neess to be bigger.
Hiving it be only six teams kind of dampens it. I think UEFA and CONMEBOL should each get two in.
I met a possum.
by s0merand0mdude on Oct 6, 2011 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions
While the top leagues in Europe are the preeminence of world football
- let’s not forget that for the last 50 years – between competition of the champion of Europe vs the champion of South America, the wins have been split practically 50/50 via the Intercontinental Cup and the the newish Club World Cup
Just sayin ;)
ugh...
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Oct 6, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Meh
It kinda made my afternoon thinking of Hanauer singing Menah Menah.
I'm starting to like our chances against RSL
Their swoon continued tonight as they fell 3-0 to Vancouver. They’ve lost 4 in a row and have been outscored 12-2 over that stretch.
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People sure don't want to play us in the first round...
First FCD and now RSL…
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by s0merand0mdude on Oct 6, 2011 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Anybody have a sneaky feeling in the back of their mind that maybe Dallas/RSL are somehow trying to throw their spots to end up in the east?
I can’t do the math and I don’t have the rules/bracket in front of me, so I dunno if this is even plausible. But could they somehow end up in the east and get an easier road to the final?
by chrisperry1983 on Oct 7, 2011 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions
throwing this many games seems like a really dumb idea
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Oct 7, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I doubt it
The East has caught up a bit with the West, I’m not sure it’s an easier road anymore. Each conference has 5 teams sitting in playoff spots at the moment and Dallas is only one point clear of the Sporks. Throwing matches to play extra games against teams that aren’t appreciably worse than you doesn’t seem that smart.
The odd thing about RSL is they WON five in a row immediately prior to this skid and only gave up 3 goals. A little bipolar.
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If the season ended today (with uneven games played), there would be 5 teams from the East and 5 from the West
The only way that any team moves to the East is if there are at least 6 teams which qualify out of the West. In order to shift conferences, you have to be in 6th or worse in your conference, which essentially leaves Portland as the team in the West most likely to shift to the East, but they have to win games to even make the playoffs at this point. Colorado is still definitely on the bubble and they have no business trying to lose at this point.
So no, there’s basically no way that Dallas or RSL have been or are trying to lose to switch conferences. If anything RSL was probably trying to push hard to pass the Sounders to get second in the SS standings and the (slight) home-field advantage in the first round of the playoffs.
Gotcha
Thanks. That makes me sick that Portland could somehow end up in the east and possibly coast into the final, a la Colorado/RSL the past two seasons.
by chrisperry1983 on Oct 7, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Coasting doesn't involve playing extra games
and the last two on the road
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No
The worst wild card winner will play the #1 in West. And the better wild card winner will play #1 in East.
Conferences for the wild card teams are meaningless. They advance based on record, NOT region.
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