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Sounders Midfield Depth Provides Opportunity For Tactical Rotation, Role Shifting

Alvaro Fernandez' adjustments to MLS play provide Sigi Schmid with more options in his crowded 2012 midfield.

If there is one thing learned in 2011 it is that the Seattle Sounders staff knows how to find and utilize midfielders. From a defensive midfielder who grew into more, to MVP quality play from a minimum salary player who bought into the phrase "trust us" the team is stacked with talent in central third. Talent that nominally operates in two and a half bands. While the forward tandem blunted the Arrow, in the midfield despite rotation and injury still looked like a giant Y with a CDM, CM and two Wingers more responsible for attack than defense.

If those wings were Steve Zakuani and Alvaro Fernandez, or Lamar Neagle and Mauro Rosales all played higher than a typical wide midfielder in a nominal 4-4-2. Nearly 3rd and 4th forwards their skills all tend to the offensive side of things. Behind them there rested a Central Mid roaming from box-to-box. Brad Evans and Erik Friberg weren't the point of the attack nor were they stoppers. Instead they worked as engines, controlling pace of play, pushing the ball wide in the attack and making late runs to threaten goal. Lurking in the back Osvaldo Alonso turned from a typical holding or defensive midfielder into a 6-to-6 player whose strong defense stopped many in opposition, while his strong development in passing and more accurate shooting contributed to the offense.

These seven men, and their backups provide many options for 2011 both in rotation and shape and may contain the keys to unlocking an even better 2012. This off-season will form not just a potent team for next year, but maybe extend the window of success to 2013 as well. Sigi Schmid and Adrian Hanauer hold choices in their hands, and what they do will determine much about Seattle's goals of two major trophies in their next campaign.

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Seattle's lack of use of the CAM, or traditional #10, in a diamond shape may limit their options a bit. Rosales ball control would seem well suited to that shape, but with the other three primarily wide midfielders being so strong in width, in ball control and diagonal runs, forcing them to be narrow shifts the Sounders away from what they did so well. It would also greatly reduce a few of Mauro's assets - speed on direct play down the flank and his ability to one time cross the ball accurately.

Instead of changing the shape of the midfield, the focus should be on how to get the most talent on the field from the strong core of midfield players while possibly opening up salary room. With a million dollars of cap space in those six players, plus a large hit certain for Rosales there is salary pressure from the crowded midfield that in some ways indicates that a trade is needed. In Sigi Schmid's final day of media availability he noted that.

It could be crowded. That’s something we’re talking about now. We also want to improve ourselves in some areas so that might require some changes also. Sometimes if you have to make trades or you have to make changes, sometimes you give away from an area that you have some depth in order to acquire something from an area that you don’t enough depth in, so that’s where we’re at.

Most of that depth is on the wings. If Steve Zakuani can recover to even a Neagle level of talent Seattle goes beyond having three-man tactical rotation options like they have at forward, but into the realm of too much depth of starting quality. That would be true even without further developments by young players such as Micahel Tetteh (who could still wind-up at left wing), Servando Carrasco (CDM), Mike Seamon (CM/CDM) and David Estrada (RW, CAM, RB?).

Alvaro Fernandez' limited, but successful, times as a central midfielder intrigue many fans, including several writers here. His passing ability and vision are better than both of the other CM options, no matter how you rate them. Over the past season plus Flaco has demonstrated an ability to adjust to the physical nature of MLS, and is clearly succeeding. There is though another option, rather than go inside, could he go up top? His recent interest from the Uruguay national team listed him as a forward, though he does seem more suited to that role in a 3 forward system. Schmid has indicated that an outside player may find their role shifted.

Guys from outside could end up going forward. Guys from inside could go backward. We have to look at how we can make our team just a little bit better to get over the hump and get ourselves a Supporters’ Shield and a MLS Cup. That’s our goal for next year and if we can take the Champions League along the way we’re certainly not going to turn that down. It’s something that we’re going to discuss. It’s what we’ll be doing as a coaching staff, as a technical group, as an ownership group, looking at what are the options available to us that can take us that next step.

Alvaro said that any questions about his role should be directed to the coach. "Wherever he puts me I'll be happy to play and I'll do my best, and I think I'll be fine."

There are two central players that could make the backwards transition. One from the ranks of starter, and the other from the young backups. Sigi experimented with several unnatural defenders and converting them to a right back over the past two seasons. Roger Levesque even started a handful of games there. Moving Levesque would not change the fortunes of the First Team. Moving Brad Evans or Carrasco might.

Evans time there isn't impressive so far, but he has yet to start a training camp with learning that role as his goal. So far his successes there are due to strong tactical awareness and tenacity, not education. Where James Riley offers speed and crossing ability, a trained Evans at right back could improve tactical posture and aerial defensive abilities. Moving Carrasco would strengthen overall defense. He's the least likely to get forward in the group and could improve protection on the counter.

For a team stacked in the midfield, oddly there are only two assured starters in their familiar roles. Alonso and Rosales seem certain to be on the team and dominating their roles again. How the rest of the four man midfield works out is an unknown. While Seattle may lose a player (expansion, trade, declined option) from this element of the core, changes in use seem certain. How things change is unknown.

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With at least Zakuani and Rosales assumed to be playing up the flanks next year...

It’d be great to see Neagle get into the forward rotation occasionally.
If Fernandez can play center mid, that’s the role I’d like to see him in. Otherwise, I wonder what his trade value would be.

If Sigi was more open to changing formations to fit his talent, it’d be interesting to see him go with a 3-5-2 or even a 3-2-3-2, With Parke, Hurtado, and Scott in defense, Alonso and Carrasco playing Defensive center mid, Zakuani, Fernandez, and Rosales in the attacking mid, and Montero with White/Neagle up top.

by Agent_J on Nov 12, 2011 2:45 PM PST reply actions  

In a 3-2-3-2 with those personnel, we would get totally slaughtered out wide.

Rosales and Zakuani wouldn’t track back and defend as much as they would need to, to pull off 3 in the back you really need two good wingbacks that can cover the whole of each flank, defensively and offensively.

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by AKSupporter on Nov 12, 2011 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Good argument for protecting the Best 11...

I know a lot of folks seem to favor leaving Friberg and Evans off the protected list, thinking that Montreal will pick one and we’ll still be OK. This post is a great argument for why we shouldn’t do that.

If Evans can be successfully adapted to RB, we’ve just increased our tactical flexibility and gotten younger in the process. Friberg and Neagle are still going to be vital even if they’re not starters – remember we have three competitions next year too, and might need our depth earlier in the year if we are to cope with Santos Laguna and advance in the CCL. On my protectinator, I left Riley and Ochoa off in favor of both Evans and Friberg.

by JesseMT on Nov 12, 2011 3:25 PM PST reply actions  

I'd like to explore Rosales at forward

He did pretty well substituting for Montero earlier in the season. Now that we’ve dropped our big-small forward pairing requirement, he would seem to be an upgrade over Fucito at forward. Something like this would I think maximize the amount of talent we put on the field:

Rosales – Montero
Zakuani – Evans/Friberg – Fernandez
                Alonso

by Tohoya on Nov 12, 2011 4:24 PM PST reply actions  

Rosales best skill may be his crossing

Putting him at forward greatly diminishes that.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Nov 12, 2011 5:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Looking at this really makes me want to swap Rosales for Fernandez.

Wonder how he’d do at forward…technical, good passer, can get elevation…could be stronger, but I get the feeling he is getting stronger by the day.

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by AKSupporter on Nov 12, 2011 8:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Great article

We’ll have a better idea of the FO thinking when the protected list is revealed. If they protect the inexpensive players over say Friberg, Evans and/ or Riley, I would expect them to be looking for Montreal to help them free up some cap space.

Interesting that Fucito isn’t part of this discussion. I’m really interested to see who the team protects in the group of Fucito, Neagle, Carrasco and Ochoa.

Another aspect that should be considered is that this team is primed to be a serious contender in multiple competitions. Their first competition leads off the season. Playing two or more key players at new positions in a new formation is not as likely. They need to ramp up to a highly competitive level against competition in mid season form in a very short period of time. Quite frankly this kind of speculation is less plausible in this set of circumstances for all of its merits.

I would look for them to make minor tweaks where they spend most of their energy reincorporating Zak and OBW into the mix. Then adding a FB, a forward and the new GK to the existing system through either acquisition or trade.

by Abbott Smith on Nov 12, 2011 10:18 PM PST reply actions  

This was a discussion of current midfielders and what could happen with them

So Fucito not being addressed shouldn’t be a surprise. I also didn’t talk about Meredith.

And to be clear, I don’t think there will be a new formation at all.

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by Dave Clark on Nov 13, 2011 8:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Sorry for the confusion

Not all of my comments were in response to the original article but rather to the running thread of ideas that it generated. Guess it really boils down to thread etiquette. How do you respond to multiple comments simultaneously in a manner that doesn’t appear to direct your comment at the original post?

I think the original article is excellent and one of my favorite posts of the past few weeks. It brings up one of the central issues of this offseason; how do the Sounders manage the wealth of options at MF and improve the team? One of the options is to shift an existing player to another role for example forward or FB. Or move a wide player into the center of the pitch. At different times Flaco, Neagle, Zak and Rosales have all been suggested as candidates to play forward. My point is that once that solution is proposed, it should include a discussion of how the option relates to the players who are currently filling the role of foward such as Fucito. I realize that you hadn’t gone there in your article. But a number of the responses did. Since the option was presented in multiple posts I chose a general response rather than responding specifically to an invidual post.

There were also poroposals to shift players like Evans, Carrasco or someone like Neagle to FB. Most of the attacking mids have some experience at forward. But moving a mid to FB is a more involved proposition. With the CCCL QF matches looming over the horizon I don’t think that this level of repurposing is as likely next year.

In the same vein there are proposals to shift the formation to get more of the Sounders skilled MF options on the pitch simultaneously. Because of the CCCL I also consider this less likely.

Again my apologies for the confusion.

by Abbott Smith on Nov 13, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

That makes sense

We’ll be addressing the forward situation as well.

As for Neagle at RB that was tried for a full year. He didn’t get an appearance and went to a different team where he clearly demonstrated he’s an attacking player.

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by Dave Clark on Nov 13, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Evans moving back is interesting

Hadn’t really considered that, but that could be something. Even if we end up losing a mid in the expansion draft. Obviously, he’d have some things to learn, but would love seeing him over Scott when it comes to turning play around.

by jayw913 on Nov 13, 2011 10:14 AM PST reply actions  

Role Shifting

I would love to see Zak play forward, I would rather he play there even without a crowded midfield. And Evans playing back would be something I would test. That all but eliminates the crowding.

by Charles J on Nov 14, 2011 11:29 AM PST reply actions  

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