November Alliance Council Minutes
A resolutiion from the Council to the Club regarding increased away allocation for Cascadia matches. A resolution from Council to Club about limiting PA/band noise during the game. A resolution from Council to Club advocating a fan designed scarf.
Also info regarding the End of Year Business Meeting (Dec 13th, WaMu Theater at 7PM) and other info.
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Banning all PA noise
So is this a preemptive strike to make sure that additional PA noise doesn’t further creep into the game (as a consolation for the request to ban everything entirely?) or does the Alliance believe they can stop any and all PA interruptions?
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Well, the resolution doesn't ban "any and all"
and gives examples of what types of noises we find detrimental to enjoying the game – a whale scream during corners, the virgina mason advert, the band playing during run of play.
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I imagine...
that is what an Autotuned Whale would sound like.
Any and all except: emergencies, priority information or match event announcements.
Ok yeah I read the exceptions which said:
Announcements of match events, emergencies, or other priority information are always exempt from this restriction.
But asking for any and all, otherwise….
Any noise, music, announcement, or advertisements through any auditory medium in an attempt to impact the atmosphere during any Seattle Sounders FC match.
I guess the next step is to make sure everyone is yellowing and chanting the same thing (sarcasm). I like the band playing occasionally during the run of play (I don’t sit next to the band and I am glad they moved the band away from the RB end). I think having more than one kind of sound is even okay at the same time. If only we could shut up the YSA knuckleheads. This just seems like posturing rather than actually expecting the Sounders to bail on any and all advertising or small announcements during the match which seem pretty minimal during the regular season, but then when I go to the CCL games where there are 6 to 10K and almost no atmosphere despite my yelling my head off with my friends near me.
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Honestly, all this anti-YSA stuff is so namby-pamby
Watch a game anywhere else and you’ll hear a lot worse.
You have to convince broadasters of that
not fans
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I guarantee you that, in my case at least, it's not "namby-pamby"
I just think it’s really stupid and uncreative.
by Aaron Campeau on Nov 16, 2011 9:52 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I should not have said shut up, I want more cheering everywhere
I want the YSA chant to be replaced by something more creative and intelligent. I just think YSA is lowest common denominator.
My three year old niece and two year old son know the Boom Boom Clap, Take Em All chant and others. They aren’t loud yet but they have grown up with them. The swearing isn’t the issue for me it is just how lame and unoriginal it is.
I have seen games in Guatemala, Germany and elsewhere and heard a lot worse. But also a lot more creative, clever and adaptive to the opponent. YSA shouters just need better direction and inspiration.
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It does appear to explicitly ban subsitution announcements.
I hate the (apparently whale?) noise during corner kicks, but the substitution announcements seem appropriate.
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by SounderJunkie on Nov 15, 2011 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
Subsitution announcements
should fall under “match events” so im sure they will still be allowed.
Sub announcements are OK
Announcements of match events, emergencies, or other priority information are always exempt from this restriction.
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by LoiteringWithIntent on Nov 15, 2011 4:12 PM PST up reply actions
Boom Boom Clap
I’m glad it includes banning ‘enhancements to the "Boom-Boom-Clap" cheer’, but I assume that would only cover it during the run of play which is too bad. I wish we could do it without the MLS/Concaf songs.
Those are League or Federation mandates
and exist in most competitive matches worldwide
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I have mixed feelings about banning Vuvuzelas
On the one hand, I HATE vuvuzelas.
On the other hand, I kind of expect to see a few at any soccer game I go to.
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Yeah me too.
I also hate vuvuzelas. But I also don’t see the reason if it’s annoying. Some people find flags annoying. And really I’d want vuvuzelas around our corner kick area to make our opposing player’s ears bleed. Oh well, it’s tabled for next year.
I hate the audio for the Virginia Mason ad
Every once in awhile it catches me by surprise during a lull in cheering and I need to look to the tunnel to see if there’s a crowd of people with glowsticks running out.
Ticketmaster
Could the alliance vote to switch to a ticketmaster alternative? I assume not since there aren’t any real large scale alternatives and the contract may be with the stadium and not with the club. Still it would be good to voice some displeasure.
The Council is quite limited in what it can do about pure business items
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What is the scarf resolution?
Just fluffy text about a fans already use scarves? The competition sounds interesting, but shouldn’t there be a vote procedure listed instead of just a vote, or are those details to be worked out later. Seems very vague compared to the audio during run of play resolution.
-Ben R.
For the scarf resolution the author didn't want to get bogged down in details
telling the club how to run a contest. But the intent is to have a top 5 or so get voted on by the full Alliance.
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Also I'm totally against 1 vote per seat
Especially if they don’t increase the threshold by at least double to get elected to council. Seems like a way for supporters groups to further over represent themselves on the council. 1 vote per seat is a minor issue when the question that should be asked is how we get an accurate representation on the council. And I say that being a member of a supporters group. The council should not be overwhelmingly constituted by supporter group members when they aren’t a majority of season ticket holders.
-Ben R.
This topic comes up quite a bit
A way to think of it is how does any political institution not get ‘over-represented’ by the organized?
Every member of congress is a member of a political party (ok, not quite, there are 2 right now IIRC that aren’t). But a majority of Americans are not members of political parties. Basically, by being organized Supporter Groups have advantages that ‘average’ fans do not. This is true for all political institutions.
I think you’ll find that more Season ticket holders hold multiple seats outside of GA than within. Families will tend to have 2+ seats for example. Right now the non-credit card holder doesn’t get to vote. doesn’t get emails. doesn’t get a discount. The club, after proding from Council, is working on fixing this.
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just to piggy back...
But I also get the sense that SG members are also more likely to simply participate. I don’t get the sense that there’s this silent majority of people who want to serve on the council, but just can’t get enough votes because they aren’t in SGs. Maybe I’m wrong, but it strikes me as not being all that difficult to get elected if you just have your shit together.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Nov 16, 2011 7:36 AM PST up reply actions
I think my issue is that those that do get their shit together as an individual
get a much smaller impact on the council than the SGs that get their shit together and elect the maximum number possible by perfectly balancing out their votes so every member votes and every elected person gets 25 votes, no more, no less.
I know I’ve said it before, but I think SGs should just get appropriated X number of seats on the council so SGs can actually have meaningful elections internally of who they want representing them. I really think the way we do it now is kind of a broken system when you have large organized groups because the method seemed to be created so that non-sg affiliated supporter could get a chance to impact the club.
-Ben R.
The Council has as many non-affiliated members right now
As members of ECS. The thought is that with the new system it will be easier for non-affiliated to get elected, because of the habits of season ticket buyers lead to non-billed season attendees are more likely to outside of SGs than in.
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It takes more than that
getting elected prior to this site just blowing up was very difficult.
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If it were a vote I'd understand the party analogy
but it’s not. Votes are over fixed number of seats. These are petitions to add more seats. With the current it’s like having Alaska have 50 representatives and New York having only 5.
-Ben R.
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