MLS Expansion Draft, 2011: Our Preferred Sounders Protected Lists
by Jeremiah Oshan on Nov 18, 2011 3:30 PM PST
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PrintAsk 10 Seattle Sounders fans who they would like to see protected in the upcoming MLS Expansion Draft and you're probably going to get 10 slightly different answers. Just about everyone can agree that Mauro Rosales, Fredy Montero and Osvaldo Alonso should be protected, but beyond those three there seems to be at least some level of dissent.
Among the Sounder at Heart crew, we can basically form a little more agreement. All of us believe Steve Zakuani, Jeff Parke and Jhon Kennedy Hurtado belong on the Sounders' protection list. That still leaves five spots on which reasonably like minds can not find universal agreement. Yes, one of us even felt Alvaro Fernandez was worth leaving exposed.
Those five spots are taken up by seven different players, with at least four more being worthy of some level of consideration. After the jump, you'll see each of our lists with some kind of explanation.
Jeremiah's list: Montero, Rosales, Alonso, Zakuani, Parke, Hurtado, Fernandez, Friberg, Evans, Fucito, Neagle.
Jeremiah's thinking: It's generally believed that the Sounders should only protect either Friberg or Evans, but I'm starting to think differently. Both players are reasonably priced and highly versatile. If either is left exposed, I believe the Montreal Impact won't be able to help themselves from taking them.
For me, the biggest gamble is leaving Sammy Ochoa exposed. But I just don't see him intriguing the Impact all that much. Maybe they end up taking Servando Carrasco, but that too is a risk I feel is worth taking.
Dave's list: Rosales, Montero, Alonso, Fernandez, Zakuani, Parke, Hurtado, Riley, Friberg, Ochoa and Fucito.
Dave's thinking: There are 8 guys that I think are no brainers. MVP quality players like Rosales, Montero, Alonso, Fernandez and healthy Zakuani. Into that I drop Jeff Parke and Jhon Kennedy Hurtado. OK, maybe my 8th is debatable, but Riley is still cheaper than his quality, even if you think he's a merely average RB who is too often out of position.
So I have three slots where the debate is iffy. All in that group for me are 24-26. Two are pricier and 3 are cheap. I'm going to assume that Seattle has to protect Friberg and so he's protected. Leaving Evans open risks losing him, but his regular injuries and cost make it a bit less likely that he'll be taken.
Down to two slots with three cheap and potentially potent players I protect the two forwards - Ochoa and Fucito. Primarily because their losses are more significant than the potential of losing Neagle. Now, I like what Lamar did in 2011 and he's got a great story, but he's probably pushed so far down the depth chart that the team can afford to lose him. Players left open with strong value to Montreal would be Evans, Wahl, Gonzalez, Neagle and Carrasco.
MalcontentJake's thinking: I can only do this by filling out a lineup:
------------??????------------
--------------Montero----------
Zakuani-------------------
--------------Alonso----------
?????-----------------Parke--Hurtado-------
So that's 8 (and let's not dwell on Flaco as a CM for now). Other's worth considering (in no particular order) Friberg, Fucito, Neagle, Ochoa, so that's 12 (am I forgetting anyone?)
Other's I suspect are higher priorities for the team than me (in no particular order):Evans, Wahl, Riley. The wildcard: OBW (remember him?) is he even worth consideration of a protected spot because of his issues?
Aaron's list: Montero, Rosales, Fernandez, Alonso, Parke, Hurtado, Zakuani, Friberg, Ochoa, Fucito, Neagle
Sidereal's list: Montero, Alonso, Rosales, Zakuani, Hurtado, Fucito, Neagle, Ochoa, Riley, Parke, Friberg
Sidereal's thinking: I've notably left off Fernandez. Assuming Zak comes back okay, I have no idea where he'd play and we're paying him a lot. I think he can play in the middle, but Sigi clearly doesn't like him there and he'd know better than I would. He's certainly not a defensive presence there. It's a lot of cash (and a DP spot) for a first-sub winger. Especially when Neagle has been so productive (cheaply) in the same position if Zakuani does take more time to come back. So if Montreal wants him, I can live with it. And I think it's very unlikely they'd take him anyway, which lets us hold on to Ochoa or Riley.
Dizzo's list: Hurtado, Parke, Riley, Zakuani, Alonso, Friberg, Rosales, Fernandez, Neagle, Montero, Fucito
Dizzo's thinking: I pretty much decided to pick the best players down the center of the pitch (i.e. the core) since we learned in 2010 how important that core is. Friberg gets the nod over Evans both for being one of three internationals and for generally being healthier. Fucito is the best of the other forwards so he gets the other forward spot.
Outside the core I went with who I thought was the best long-term value. Rosales is a league MVP level player so he's valuable at pretty much anything below a DP contract. Zakuani, if he returns to full form, is also a league MVP level player so you really have to pick him and hope for a good recovery. Fernandez has a level of skill that can be hard to find in MLS and I think he still has some value to the organization as a potential transfer. Neagle gets the last spot simply on a value for contract basis.
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I'm with Jeremiah
I’d rather keep Ochoa over Evans, but I think Evans’ value is higher to Montreal or a future trade.
Unintended consequence
Sidereal hasn’t protected enough international slots unless Tetteh counts. The other problem with exposing Flaco is that Montreal can gain a trade piece for nothing. If Flaco isn’t on the list, Montreal’s FO could hold a sale for his rights and Seattle wouldn’t get squat but cap room. Better to protect him and then trade, if you want to clear up the space.
I’ve stated my case multiple times, so I won’t reitterate here. Suffice it to say that I don’t agree with Jeremiah’s bubble pick of both Friberg and Evans. But we are all entitled to an opinion and I trust that whatever the Sounders choose to do, the end product will be entertaining.
The rule does not say anything about how many internationals need to be protected
It says this: “Clubs may make available a number of international players equal to their total number of international players minus three.”
Just because the rule doesn't explicitly give a number
doesn’t mean that there aren’t a certain number that need to be protected depending upon how many internationals are on a given team. There are guaranteed to be at least three protected to fulfill the last piece of the rule.
As far as I understand
We have 6 internationals. Of those Tetteh wont be available in the expansion draft, and therefore we need to protect 2 to fill the requirement of leaving at most 3 international available.
We've had this debate before
Tetteh is under a Generation Adidas contracts and is automatically protected and does not count towards our protected list nor towards the number of internationals protected.
We've had the debate, but there's never been a consensus about the meaning of the rule.
I tend to side with your interpretation, but to say that the matter is settled isn’t accurate.
by Aaron Campeau on Nov 18, 2011 8:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Thats fair, I can agree with that
It’s just another matter of incredibly vague wording of MLS rules. Having two weeks worth of calculus shoved down your throat in one day makes one a bit irrational.
Aaron's list
My preferred is the same as Aaron’s. I would be ok with protecting Evan’s over Ochoa if that were to happen. If Riley makes the protected list I reserve the right to wine and complain.
by Alonso45 on Nov 18, 2011 4:11 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
ditto
I agree with an earlier commenter who pointed out that Scott taking Riley’s role against Dallas and RSL made a huge positive difference.
by PeterJH on Nov 18, 2011 6:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Do you think Scott could do that consistently as a regular starter?
I do not.
In addition, Scott is very limited offensively, and recently Sigi talked about how we need more from full backs offensively. Quote: “But I think our ability to play out of the back I think has to get better. So much of the modern game deals with the ball being at the feet of your outside backs. I think the outside backs’ contributions to the offensive aspects of your team becomes important.” http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/soundersfcblog/2016712865_schmid_covers_of_dozens_of_top.html
Although I’m hoping we can improve on Riley. He is at times a disaster defensively and has his limits offensively.
I never said I did. I wouldn’t give up on the idea of turning Evans into a fullback. I also don’t see that as an argument to protect Riley, Schmidt seems to be saying he wants better. I’d sooner protect someone more valuable than Riley on the market (Ochoa, for instance) and work a trade if we have to.
by PeterJH on Nov 18, 2011 8:45 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
We’re not losing both Evans and Riley. We got the depth at mf to move Evans to the back line. A midfielder who can defend is not hard to convert to a fullback…don’t over rate the position.
by PeterJH on Nov 18, 2011 9:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Scott and Evans are both temporary stop gaps
They were used to help Riley rest or replace b/c of suspension. I don’t think either are complete enough for a starting role. Could Evans eventually move into that position? Yeesh. Maybe. Look how much Wahl improved from last season to this.
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Evans has a cap as a fullback. Don’t over rate the position, it’s not difficult to convert a midfielder who can defend to a fullback.
by PeterJH on Nov 18, 2011 9:51 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Evans is a decent defender. Starter?
The skills to play defender are not inherently different. True. I used to play midfield when I could run and run. Now I play centerback, because I am not able to run and run. But I still had to pass, hold my position, not let my man get by me, not get caught too far up the field….Evans may have to move to the back four to get playing time (I am starting to come around to your thinking PeterJH). He definitely has a future as a Mid-fender (a take on the For-Mid-fender or whatever we called that Levesque was annointed). Evans would still make me nervous starting against Santos Laguna in 100 days or so.
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Zakuani
I feel guilty for even asking but considering the challenges SZ is facing with his recovery should we consider leaving him unprotected?
There is just about 0 chance that the Impact don't take him and see if he can recover
Either for themselves on a flier or as a draft and trade with another club.
I agree but would find the decision difficult if I was the GM
Pro’s – Awesome player and person, Fan Fav, Unique attacking abilities
Con’s – Injury questions, cap management, deepest position on the team
I think it comes down to what the Dr’s are saying behind the scenes.
The expansion draft is all about depth
This is not just about the question: would Zakuani start for the Impact from Day one.
Look at the Sounders expansion draft picks from way back if you want perspective.
Nate Jaqua (Houston), Brad Evans (Columbus), Stephen King (Chicago), Jeff Parke* (RBNY), James Riley (San Jose), Khano Smith (New England), Jarrod Smith (Toronto FC), Nathan Sturgis (Real Salt Lake), Peter Vagenas (LA Galaxy) and Tyson Wahl (Kansas City).
*Jeff Parke left for Belgium and ended up not signing a contract with a team in Belgium or the Sounders until March of 2010.
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Kind of related...
.. but not at all really..
Let’s say we left Montero off…
does he have an obligation to the Impact? or if he signed with someone like Ajax or somewhere in Brasil (I think the fanshot had Fluminese) is that just Montreal’s tough luck?
by BaltimoreIslander on Nov 18, 2011 9:35 PM PST up reply actions
We drafted Parke
He said I wanna try to sign in Belgium.
The Sounders tried to sign him when he came back, but by then he didn’t like the scraps left over. He trained with the USL Whitecaps and we eventually signed him in March of 2010.
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therefore...
.. any reason to think the Sounders are trying to get a feel for Montero before the 23rd… i.e. save a spot for another player if he does end up leaving? Or they just waiting until January before they try and convince him to stay?
I don’t mean to sound like a pessimist, I pray that Montero stays.. just curious.
by BaltimoreIslander on Nov 18, 2011 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
I think Fredy is coming back
I don’t think it is a good political move with him to say we don’t want to protect you. Just because he is rumored in some secondary leagues in Europe. Fredy from the start has talked about Spain or other top leagues and he knows he isn’t there yet. He’ll turn 25 in the summer of 2012 and if he wants to play the market he can pick a better time for his contract to be fatter. His family just moved here. He has been nothing but happy. Your prayers will be answered.
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You realize the 23rd in like 5 days away, right?
A deal coming together between now and then seems highly unlikely.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Nov 19, 2011 9:04 AM PST up reply actions
I actually didn't haha
I thought it was around the 10th actually.. oops
I understand it doesn’t make sense to do something like this, I was just curious if they had a feeling on the inside if it’s something they would do…. forgot the transfer probably couldn’t happen until january anyway so we would be losing the money
by BaltimoreIslander on Nov 19, 2011 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
Since Montero is under contract
he must be sold via transfer if he is moving to another league.
Whichever MLS team that controls his rights at the time would receive about 2/3rds of the transfer fee and could use up to ~650k in allocation. There’s no way Seattle gifts Montreal that.
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I oppose leaving Zak unprotected...
for (almost) the sole reason of not wanting being Mullenated to be his last on-field apperance as a Sounder.
by central_scrutinizer on Nov 18, 2011 11:41 PM PST up reply actions
So 6 locks - Mauro Rosales, Fredy Montero, Osvaldo Alonso, Steve Zakuani, Jeff Parke and Jhon Kennedy Hurtado
Fucito was also included in every top 11. Fernandez, Neagle, and Friberg were included in all but one list each. Ochoa was in all but two lists. If you take those as the top 11, the list would exclude Riley and Evans. It would also include 6 Midfielders/Wingers (Rosales, Alonso, Zakuani, Fernandez, Neagle, and Friberg), 2 Forwards (Montero and Ochoa) and 2 Defenders (Parke and Hurtado). Personally, I would switch out Riley for Friberg (assuming Tetteh counts as the 3rd protected international) and be happy with that list.
Fernandez – 5
Neagle – 5
Friberg – 5
Ochoa – 4
Riley – 3
Evans – 1
Notes: Dave only voted for 10 in his list but included Friberg in his thinking. I included Jake’s 7 in the chart plus his next 4.
Jeremiah has it pretty much right.
I like his list though I’d keep Ochoa over Fucito, but not religious over it.
The only reason to list Riley over Evans, Fucito, Ochoa, or Neagle is if you don’t think you can replace Riley given available cap room. If the Sounders have an opportunity to replace Riley, but only if they jettison Evans’ contract, then they should definitely expose Evans.
That said, I find it absurd that the Sounders should be making any expansion draft decisions based on the salary cap. I realize it is a real issue, but our total payroll is dwarfed by LA and NYRB.
I fail to see why LA can be granted a guy like Robbie Keane, who is just the latest in a long line of internationally renowned players to go to LA, while we are debating whether or not to keep Evans, Fucito, Ochoa, or Riley.
I’m tired of being forced to pick up guys like Ochoa, Rosales, and Neagle off the scrap heap. We’ve been extraordinarily lucky in that regard to date. All credit to the front office for landing them, but our luck in that area can only run hot for so long.
Keane is a DP
so his cap hit is much smaller than his salary.
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Not how the salary cap works
Designated Player salaries count a set amount against the cap. The older DPs count $336K toward a team’s senior payroll of 2.6 million regardless of how much the DP actually costs. Each team can have up to 3 DPs. LA has 3: Donovan, Becks, and Keane. Seattle has two: Montero and Fernandez. All 5 cost exactly the same regarding the cap; $336K.
The cap must be spread across a minimum of 18 players and can be spread across as many as 20. A team can also have an additional 10 non cap players on their roster.
by Abbott Smith on Nov 18, 2011 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks
Thanks for the reply. I do understand the difference between a DP and nom-DP.
The point of my post was that this team has a need for a high quality defender(s). We also need a midfielder of equal or better quality as Alonso.
When LA finds themselves in need of a player they go get a world-class guy. We go to the scrap heap or catch a plane to Tanzania.
Having a debate about the merits of Evans v. Fucito v. Ochoa v. Neagle for the 11th spot is really interesting. But I still want this team to upgrade its talent across the board. There is plenty of upper tier talent that our vast support should enable this team to acquire.
by Choskasoft on Nov 18, 2011 6:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
But what you are asking is impossible
Seattle can’t upgrade at every position, not in this league. If you think Rosales is not a DP than there may be enough for a DP and Rosales. If you think Rosales is a DP other players need to be cut and maybe 150k is available.
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off topic - but on my mind
I think every ‘protected’ list should also list the 3-4 guys on the bubble who you left off. Sure, I can do the math to figure it out, but save me the a hassle please. Yes, I’m lazy.
by InternetCharlie on Nov 18, 2011 6:41 PM PST reply actions
Going with general consensus those three would be;
Evans, Fucito, and Friberg.
by DaveValleDrinkNight on Nov 18, 2011 6:57 PM PST up reply actions
Many lists do not include Riley, Ochoa or Neagle
But I think you missed the point.
I think the point was that in each list the interesting information is not who are on the list, but the best few players left out of that list. Listing those players after with each protected list would make comparing the protected lists much easier.
my bubble guys
were ochoa, carrasco, wahl, leo and riley. But ochoa and carrasco were the only two close to making my list.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Nov 19, 2011 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
My bubble was tiny
Evans and a bit of Neagle.
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Neagle!
I’m kind of harping on this, but not protecting Neagle just because he’s low on the depth chart for 2012 seems very short-sighted, IMO. We won’t have Flaco, Rosales, and Zakuani indefinitely. If Zak returns to form you could see the Sounders selling both Flaco and him in the next year or two. Neagle is the insurance policy that keeps the drop in form at that position to a minimum as we transition to a new core of star attackers.
Sidenote: I know nothing about the guy, but if Jesse Marsch has significant say over the team’s play style and philosophy, does that mean a hard-nosed, defensive style? If so, Evans might be their kind of player, and maybe you protect him over somebody else?
Neagle's basically the same age as Zakuani, Montero, Fernandez
So he isn’t a great insurance policy for them. Players like Estrada and Ngassa are. Neagle’s value is right now.
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It is not only about age
All those three could be gone because they can get a transfer to a bigger club in a better league.
But he'll be here longer, if we keep him.
My point is just that Zak and Flaco will probably go to Europe or somewhere in a year or two, and then what do we have if Neagle’s an … Impact? (Is that how you say it?)
Also, we really needed Neagle this year. Do you think Estrada or Ngassa could have the same level of impact (heh) in 2012 that Neagle had in 2011? Maybe/I hope so, but it’s at least a risk.
If we don’t have another one of these expansion drafts for a few years, that will be fine by me.
Friberg and Ochoa...
…are out of the debate. Like it or not we know we’re going to keep them based on the teams treament.
The list comes down then at the end to Riley, Evans and Neagle. One of them will leave.
And it better not be Lamar Neagle.
Coy strategy play I would make: keep them all and give up Zak. That might send a message – we think he’s hurt. Fine, let Montreal take the risk he’ll never recover. I love Steve, but this is the proper play. We necessarily get to keep all the others. Is that addition at our DEEPEST position going to be what makes us the supporters shield faves next year after we almost one it this year? NO.
Sorry Zak – the right play is to let you go.
Neagle vs Zak - further clarification
Would the addition of Zakuani have caused us to win the MLS cup or Supporters Shield this year?
Let’s not forget we were the second best team in MLS this year.
The answer to the question is no. He’s a bigger risk and more expensive than Neagle.
Considering we win with what we have – and we need something bigger than adding the discounted chance that Zakuani even recovers (however a discount that deserves) into a stronger spot in our lineup, we know thats not enough to improve us to the next level. So why not just keep our cheaper, available, sure option and look to improve elsewhere?
As for Sounder at Heart head honcho Dave Clark’s insistence at dumping Neagle:
What could Zak do that Neagle didnt do this year? Off the bench, without Zak in the starting Lineup, Neagle scored a load of goals. Even if Zak – in the BEST case scenario – scores 3 more goals and had 3 more assists than Neagle is a STARTING roal, his efficiency wouldn’t be that big of a difference. At the risk of Zak not recovering and his price anyway, Neagle is a no brainer from a state perspective. Throw in the fact he’s a fan favorite and why lose him?!?
If you dump Zak you’re giving away Montreal nothing. We will be the team we were. the 2nd best in MLS. Again, if Zak isnt what makes you first, and he isnt, then we improve elsewhere anyway, and let it be, picking up some salary cap along the way.
Work with me here.
You ask this
Would the addition of Zakuani have caused us to win the MLS cup or Supporters Shield this year?
And then say “no” as if it isn’t even a debate. Except that yes, I think the team scores at least three more goals than they give up with Zakuani on the pitch. If one of those happens in the LA 0-0 draw on the road Seattle ties for the Supporters Shield.
If Zakuani plays rather than Neagle in the two leg series against RSL the team is MUCH better. Just one more goal in those 180 minutes gives Seattle a 30 minute season and possible advancement.
And the scoring rate isn’t close between the two. Zakuani produces at a near Montero effeciency, Neagle at a Jaqua level.
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Yeah
Well I put it like that because I do in fact think its going out on a really thin limb to say that a healthy Zak earns us the supporters shield.
Unfortunately we have to say “screw statistics” on this quesiton because we have zero baseline, Zak was out. The dynamic of the team at the point that Zak goes out is so different from what we turned about being that it’s pointless to even hypothesize. What if Rosales never even comes into form. The list goes on.
Premises
1) zak is a risk
2) chances at zak at 100% (70% chance, optimistically) making us have had won the supporters shield this year
a) is a pointless, impossible stat to dream up which militates towards saving what we have. The very fact that we did well this year and that neagle did good is important in itself. A football team isnt some parking meter wherebye the addition of more change necessarily makes it worth more. So not only is Zak’s potential contribution discounted by the chance he’s healthy again, he caries a major uncertainty in the chemistry of the team. The Sounders overachieved too – I believe – with their talent. Which makes the x-factor I speak of even more important dare you just speculate Zakunai will be a quarter to a meter with a dollar in it already.
Of course I let fucitro and riley go over zak. But not Neagle. We need the player who perform in our system. Zakuani is a question mar on 3 levels, health, chemistry, and basic ability to add. This isn’t some peyton manning type figure. Those dont exist in the MLS. There are no such players. He’s a young, exciting relatively inexperienced Zakuani.
b) are probably well under 50% anyway if you had to guess (which, again, is pointless) (though you disagree)
Zakuani is a question on chemistry?
Which is proven by the fact that he and the team performed extraordinarily well in his 2+ seasons on the team?
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One point
I don’t agree that Zak should be unprotected relative to Neagle. Zak has more upside. For me it’s moot. I think both should be protected and have both on my list.
But I do believe there is a point that needs to be made relative to the strength of the Sounders after the injuries to Zak & OBW. The injuries forced the team to adapt to adversity. Part of the team’s strength now is a function of being annealed through that set of challenges. Sigi was forced to rely on more players and the team was forced to rely on each other in ways that having Zak all season may not have created. All of the injuries also caused multiple players to gain valuable experience that is now responsible for this team having seasoned depth.
As much as this year left us wondering, " What if?". The potential for next year has been strengthened precisely because of the adversity. This team is hungry and its bench is blooded. That is a recipe for championships.
by Abbott Smith on Nov 19, 2011 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
All due respect...
You’re CRAZY! I appreciate what Neagle brings, but there is no way you protect him over Zak.
...
by SoundersRiot on Nov 19, 2011 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
crazy as hell
But it’s no worse than letting Neagle go – which is ultimately the point I was mostly trying to make.
I hope we keep both.
There are no indications what-so-ever that Neagle is a better player than Zakuani
not on this team, not on any team.
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clarification
I agree Zakuani has been a much better player then Neagle. Not even worth discussing. But the more difficult comparison that should be made is Neagle vs post injury Zakuani. If the nerve damage is as bad as it sounds he may never be 100% again. Where’s the breakpoint? Is 80 or 90% Zak still better then Neagle?
I foresee a worst case scenario where Zakuani is a Neagle-esque player
someone with a bit of speed and ability to shoot from outside.
Middle case Zakuani can still pass with his left.
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You should probably change your screen name
by Aaron Campeau on Nov 18, 2011 8:55 PM PST up reply actions 9 recs
Ianni
Nobody thinks he’d be of interest to Montreal?
I thought he’d be taken by Vancouver or Portland; was surprised when he wasn’t.
He has his moments, but he’s not old and he’s not bad.
I’d probably take him. But I’m not GM.
I probably wouldn't protect him either.
I just think he might be taken.
by Cornchops on Nov 18, 2011 10:52 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I would take him
Just judging by the SBN mock draft there won’t be a lot of good young CBs. Ianni has shown he can be an MLS quality starter on a good team. I’d take him depending on whom else Seattle leaves unprotected.
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does anyone know the exact time on monday the expansion lists are due and what time the draft occurs on wensday?
by RaveGreenForever on Nov 18, 2011 11:02 PM PST reply actions
Draft is 11 am PT on Wednesday
The first hit on google (http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2011/10/19/mls-releases-details-montreal-expansion-draft) did not have a time for the Monday expansion lists deadline.
Lists are going to be made public at 2PM Pacific Monday
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That's what they said last year too
Due at league at 11 am Pacific, releases to the public at 2 pm Pacific.
However, we first got Seattle’s list at 4:50 pm Pacific via Joshua Mayers / Seattle Times (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/soundersfcblog/2013497465_sounders_release_11-man_protec.html). It took awhile longer until all lists were available on the MLS website.
Yes, MLS isn't great about hitting their release times
btw – we covered the expansion draft last year too.
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Yeah, but SB Nation released the list 13 minutes later than the Times =)
By the way, is there a way to search those older articles? Only 2011 articles seem to show up on the search feature on the site and searching via google is clumsy. I could not make the power search give anything either.
I'll notify support about search not working again (damnit)
I tend to use google with a search of “Sounder at Heart” with additional key words.
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That kind of works
But the results do not come up chronologically, and that is especially difficult with topic that occur annually.
Using the advanced search feature on Google
Will let you set the date range which should narrow things down considerably. You can also do a Google search just within the SAH website using Google advanced search.
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Still, SBN needs to fix search
I’ll get them on it.
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This is getting far off-topic
But I cannot find a date range option on Google. Just a selection for “last update” (anytime, past 24 hours, past week, past month, or past year). I’m looking at http://www.google.com/advanced_search
The site limitation can of course done easily by just adding “site:sounderatheart.com” to the search.
aarons list is the best one
by JZSounder4life on Nov 19, 2011 5:17 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions 1 recs
Trades
Another aspect to look forward to is possible trades coming in on Monday before the protected lists are published. Last year they seemed to catch everybody by surprise. We traded Vagenas to Colorado for Baudet and Earls. Now Vagenas of course was taken by Vancouver, so that is one way to go about with a trade. For us Baudet and Earls seemed to be players we acquired in case Gonzalez or Ianni get taken. Since they did not, we ended up letting Baudet and Earls go.
Trades add all kinds of scenarios that are pretty much impossible to predict. Monday should be very interesting. We have a few expensive/experienced players that we could be offloading Vagenas style if an opportunity arises.
My list
Montero, Rosales, Fernandez, Alonso, Parke, Hurtado, Zakuani, Friberg, Ochoa, Riley, Neagle
exposed: Fucito, Evans, Wahl
by James Owen Gallagher on Nov 19, 2011 10:36 AM PST reply actions
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