CenturyLink Field Will Get New Turf In February
There won't be grass, but CenturyLink Field will have a new turf for the 2012 Seattle Sounders season. The latest generation of FieldTurf will be laid down in February, shortly after the end of the Seahawks season and just in time for the Sounders to get used to it prior to their game against Santos Laguna on March 7.
Many fans have long pined for real grass, but the Sounders have only given us the faintest hope that it was a real possibility. With the University of Washington football team also using CenturyLink in 2012, a grass surface would have been nearly impossible to keep up even if the team had figured out a way to make growing it and maintaining it feasible.
At the very least, this FieldTurf should be an upgrade over the stuff they are playing on now. Players and coaches had grown to universally despise the surface at CenturyLink Field, which had degraded considerably since the inaugural season of 2009 when it was just a year old.
This is how the new turf was described in a release sent out by the Sounders: "The FieldTurf Revolution system is built with the Revolution fiber and is the result of innovative science, engineering and technology that will provide a playing surface that features a soft and strong monofilament fiber. A proprietary fiber polymer formulation resists splitting and degradation and includes an industry leading ultraviolet inhibitor technology. A state-of-the-art extrusion process provides intricate concave and ridged construction to eliminate breaking points in each fiber blade.
"Specially sized cryogenic rubber particles and washed silica sand granules are layered, in a patented installation process, surrounding the Revolution fibers. This provides player safety and outstanding durability and longevity. The FieldTurf system is the only turf product in the world with independent long-term and real-life safety data backing up its claims."
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Makes sense
There isn’t enough of an off-season to install the drainage system and whatnot to put grass in.
I wonder if there’s a quid pro quo with the Huskies to allow the Sounders to play in Husky Stadium for a month or so in the future in case they do want to try grass or a turf/grass hybrid in a few years?
Press Release
Whose idea was that to release that garbage in a press release ?
It is like reading the ingredients on a junk food label. You have NO idea what they are talking about, but you know it is not natural.
I don't think you're meant to eat it
From my selfish perspective, the only thing I care about is if they can get the gridiron field markings off for our games or not.
Field Turf
Here is the link to the Field Turf web page describing the new turf.
Or the Veridian Dynamics commercials
from Better off Ted.
by Dustin Titus on Nov 22, 2011 5:33 PM PST up reply actions
Is it just me
or were they actually bragging about being vertically integrated?
by Randy Meeker on Nov 22, 2011 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
that is all great
But the real question is… Is ours better than the Timbers now?
:)
Even if the field isn't hideous anymore, I'm sure Fredy will continue to make horrible hair choices
There will always be something.
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by almost awesome on Nov 22, 2011 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
I can see why you dislike the rat tail
He did score a brace in your house with it. But yes, I agree, you will always have something to whine about.
Go banana!
This should have been done last year
After the weather we’ve had the last few days and an NFL season, obviously FieldTurf is the only option. I would rather play on plastic than the pitch at Red Bull Arena during their play off game.
Go banana!
It is notable
The Glass House down in Portland has a two star rating. That’s the highest rating FIFA gives for artificial surfaces. A new surface here should be able to get that as well.
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FIFA rating...
As has been pointed out to me elsewhere, we’re still quite a long way away from a rating.
The new FieldTurf Revolution hasn’t been lab tested yet (the first step), so until that’s done we don’t know if the 2-star rating is even possible. (I assume it will be)
Then the field itself needs to be tested.
I don’t see that rating coming anytime soon.
by Dylan Vanderhoof on Nov 22, 2011 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
University of Ottowa has...
this same “Revolution” turf installed and has received two stars from FIFA:
by exSlacker on Nov 22, 2011 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Two different kinds of turf
FieldTurf Duraspine Pro vs. FieldTurf Revolution
Portland installed “FieldTurf Duraspine Pro” which was the highest quality FieldTurf offered at the time of installation. Seattle will be installing FieldTurfs latest and greatest offering, the brand new “FieldTurf Revolution” system.
The differences between the two systems are described here.
http://www.fieldturf.com/synthetic-turf-products/
portland turf
Everyone was raving about it at the beginning of the season, but didn’t it deteriorate quite a bit towards the end? I remember hearing some pretty negative comments about it the last couple months…seems like all these artificial turfs are hard pressed to stand up for even a season and a half.
Natural turfs wear down easily too, if unmaintained
See Livestrong Park (and the Home Depot Center, for that matter).
I met a possum.
by s0merand0mdude on Nov 22, 2011 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
Oh man
i remember watching a SKC home game on ESPN and oh man the field was terrible. Divots everywhere and big ones too.
LA got rain for the Cup
and the field there definitely fell apart. Seattle’s weather and two American Football teams playing in the Clink make grass undoable this coming year. I for one am excited about this announcement. It will be a HUGE improvement and genuinely represents the best we can do for now.
Ugh.
I really hate to see this. Sounders fans deserve a field as good as their fanbase. Two things:
1. Grass will work at CenturyLink, even with three sports. It needs three things:
-A well-designed subsurface (subdrainage lines and sub-air vacuums to rapidly remove water during heavy storms, sand-based soil to promote root growth, properly spaced irrigation, and reinforcing fibers to keep the field from ripping apart during athletic events [SportingKC opted not to utilize reinforcement and we saw how disastrous the field at Livestrong looked in the summer months]
-Time to establish the grass. The grass needs to root in the soil. The deeper the roots, the less likely it will come up in chunks. Unfortunately the MLS season runs through the prime growing season, so SoundersFC would
-Planning and Maintenance. The groundskeeper is the lowest person on the decision ladder on this, but with proper event planning you can have three organizations on a field in a season without damaging the field. One weekend with 3 events is repairable, three consecutive weekends with 3 events is not. CenturyLink benefits by having football and soccer, which have very different wear patterns. It’s MUCH better to have soccer and two football teams than three football teams (like Pittsburgh does when it hosts high school, Pitt, and Steelers football on a single field)
Yes, a grass field is not an easy thing to maintain, but that’s why there are people who are specialized in turf management who love the challenge of keeping a sports field in championship condition.
2. In my opinion artificial is never as good as the real thing. I’ve designed dozens of artificial and natural surface fields, and performed assessments on dozens more, and over time they are just as much of a headache as grass fields. Just like grass you need a great subsurface (usually stone or polypropylene base and an optional concussion-reducing impact pad), subdrainage to get rid of stormwater, irrigation to wash down the surface and cool the field (I’ve seen fields with surface temps as high as 150ºF on an 80ºF day), and a good backing for the artificial surface so the strands don’t get pulled out and litter the field. You need to regularly groom to even out the rubber infill material (the pellets) and during establishment you need to apply fabric softener to keep the infill material from clinging on to your clothes, shoes, etc. Then you need to regularly check the seams to make sure the carpet (which is what it is) hasn’t split anywhere.
As for the new carpet, I just want to know what the warranty was for the last carpet. I generally see seven year warranties as an industry standard. Why did this one fail after just two years? Now there’s a new product? Where else has it been installed? Has it been in the ground for two years? What does it look like?
It probably sounds like I have an axe to grind, but I really like seeing quality soccer. It’s fun to watch and—after it’s all said and done—grass is the best playing surface for soccer. Even if this field gets a FIFA two-star rating, ask yourself if Seattle Sounders FC is happy being a two-star franchise or if it aspires to have the highest quality venue for international soccer?
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by J.Schnauzer on Nov 22, 2011 2:22 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
I can't think of one wet weather grass field that is dual use for CFB and the NFL.
If this is doable than I’d assume there might be examples to cite?
There are quite a few:
Miami, Tampa Bay, and Pittsburgh come to mind.
Another quirk about Seattle: it has a lot of rainy days, but it actually has less annual rainfall than many cities east of the Mississippi. Most of the precipitation is in the form of light rain or mist rather than flash storms that you’ll get in the Midwest and South. Fields get torn up when they get super-saturated in a heavy storm, don’t have the capacity to drain the water out quickly, and don’t have the root structure to keep the field together.
This is a long-winded way of saying that Seattle is an ideal city for growing natural grass for a professional sports field.
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they run multiple high school championships, college football, and pro football
Like I said, three events in a weekend once a month isn’t easily repairable. Six events over a weekend will kill the field. Pittsburgh is notorious for running as many people (and collecting as much money) as possible.
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Heinz field is consistently the shittiest field in the league.
Only Soldier Field compares.
It only supports the idea that so much use is a very bad thing.
Any grass in CenturyLink would be starved for sun
Both because of the constant cloud cover and because of the design of the stadium. The field would only see direct light for a max ~6 hrs each day assuming no weather-related issues.
English stadiums have a similar issue
They deal with it by using lamps to simulate sunlight. The results are actually pretty good.
by Randy Meeker on Nov 22, 2011 9:27 PM PST up reply actions
English stadiums are designed with high East/West stands?
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English stadiums are designed in poor-weather areas
I met a possum.
by s0merand0mdude on Nov 22, 2011 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
Yes.
And many have high stands all around as well as roofs that go much closer to the field.
Emirates Stadium is an example:: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=37-55+Ashburton+Grove,Islington,London+N5+1BU,+United+Kingdom&hl=en&ll=51.554201,-0.108554&spn=0.006124,0.009731&sll=51.500152,-0.126236&sspn=0.784793,1.245575&vpsrc=6&hnear=Emirates+Stadium,37-55Ashburton+Grove,Islington,London+N5+1BU,+United+Kingdom&t=h&z=17
not knowing the height of their stands and angle on the roof I can't compare
I know for CLink that the field only gets 4 hours of sunlight a day on average. Ignoring weather.
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I've seen a whole field demolished and completely reconstructed in less than three months before under normal construction conditions.
The issue is the establishment phase for the turf. The longer the better, and four months is ideal. That’s generally not practical. I see I had an incomplete thought on my post. It should read. “Unfortunately the MLS season runs through the prime growing season, so SoundersFC see about playing the first 3-4 games on the road to allow the field time to establish itself in March.”
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Even
if its do able the one issue is we have potential 1-3 CCL games between march and April so its not gonna happen unless let say Seattle has an alternate stadium to use which at the moment there isn’t one.
Simple solution.
Stop being so good and let other MLS clubs in the CCL!
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It won't happen this year,
but Husky stadium will be freshly renovated the next time that the turf comes up for potential replacement.
Sounders 'til I die
by SounderJunkie on Nov 22, 2011 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
It's possible that the Clink carpet was defective
There is a lawsuit going on between Fieldturf and a supplier where Fieldturf claims the supplier was giving it inferior polymer for the plastic grass starting at least in ’05. http://www.scribd.com/doc/50114371/Fieldturf-TenCate-lawsuit If that is the case, then there probably is a settlement/discount involved here. I suspect that is why they went with Fieldturf, and not Polytan, which is what they have up at BC Place.
by Brougham Hooligan on Nov 22, 2011 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
Grass isn't magically good
There are plenty of crappy grass fields (see Steelers, see Sporting, see Dynamo, see Galaxy). I want the best field with the circumstances of this field. There’s no way grass could have been done for next season.
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by Dave Clark on Nov 22, 2011 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Not
by march. You can not rush a grass pitch. The grass needs to take root into the ground and that will take a time.
Dave, when Seattle’s president said it gonna take 8 months to install grass does that include letting the grass become fully rooted before using it?
Seattle has a window from early January to early March
Every year. That’s it.
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Is it possible to make temporary arrangements elsewhere in the metro area?
Again, I’m not anti-synthetic. I will defend synthetic fields until I’m blue in the face in several instances. I’m just saying the Sounders are clearly an instance where natural grass would work, and it doesn’t take eight months for establishment. Four months is a good number, but it can be much faster with the right design and cooperative weather. The issue is you have to wait for final frost to install the sod, which I believe would be around mid-March in Seattle. That means half a season, but in the end getting a top-notch field plus USA-Mexico games is a nice payoff.
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"Is it possible to make temporary arrangements elsewhere in the metro area?"
No. At least not until Husky Stadium is done, and I see a dramatic change in the surface (grass or different synthetic) as a distinct possibility once that happens.
by Aaron Campeau on Nov 22, 2011 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
Not during the Husky Stadium renovation.
It is really the only other reasonable option. Once it is complete (for the 2013 college football season), it would be a completely reasonable place to play during a remodel. That is what the Seahawks did while Qwest was being built.
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by SounderJunkie on Nov 22, 2011 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
One other issue with grass is the other events that take place in qwest.
It occasionally hosts dirt bike competitions, boat shows, conventions, etc. All of these things would cause a lot of wear on true grass.
Sounders 'til I die
by SounderJunkie on Nov 22, 2011 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
I don't
see 4 months being enough time to get everything that needs to be done and have the grass be fully rooted maybe 5-6 months but still with out knowing what needs to be done to the ground and the stadium itself. 8 months might not be so off.
I totally agree on the superiority of grass versus artificial
But one question that seems not to be addressed is that in the fall months we share the field with a football team, and as far as I understand, on grass it would mean that we would have the gridiron markings on the field.
We all WANT real grass, but the question is whether or not it is truly viable right now.
If grass was something they saw as viable right now, I wholeheartedly believe they’d do everything in their power to make grass happen. Whether it’s because of the stadium’s current schedule or because of the basic practicality of growing grass in that building, they’ve decided to wait. And I’m okay with that, because I’d rather they played on a two-star turf field for now than trip all over the travesty that was SPKC’s field this year, or try to play on what passes for a football field (read: mud pit) in Pittsburgh.
@ J. Schnauzer - as you seem to be very well informed ...
What is your opinion of the hybrid surfaces where natural grass is reinforced with synthetic strands? It seems like lots of EPL teams are using it (similar weather) and a couple of NFL teams have quietly started using it as well (although with very different weather – Denver and Philadelphia). The product is called DD GrassMaster. Do you have any experience with it?
I've seen it, but never worked with it.
I believe it’s a good option, but I would imagine it’s more expensive to install. I would assume the drawbacks on it are the same as natural grass in terms of CLink: the grow-in time for the grass.
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It's what they use at Wembley.
It’s been a mess.
by Aaron Campeau on Nov 23, 2011 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
How many years of unrequited love before people stop pining away for grass?
I appreciate the devotion, but it seems like a lot misspent angst.
by Steen on Nov 22, 2011 11:37 PM PST reply actions 2 recs

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