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Open Flavor Friday: Black Friday Edition

During the off-season we'll be putting out a weekly open thread to discuss all things this community wants to discuss. While the launch point will be flavor (I like flavor) don't consider that a mandatory topic. Considering the Thanksgiving Holiday and Black Friday madness it seems like a great day to relaunch Open Flavor Fridays.

This year we didn't host Thanksgiving, but due to overwhelming success we did convince my in-laws to try to recreate our Roasted Brussel Sprouts in Turkey and Bacon Drippings. If you are an oven roasted turkey fan all you have to do is though clean brussel sprouts in the bottom tray with about an hour or more left in the roasting process. At the same time remove the foil protecting the top of your turkey and replace with uncooked bacon. When you bird is done you get some bacon juiciness and deliciousness, plus underneath you have great veggies with awesome seasoning from your bird. You can also add root veggies like carrot, turnip, onions and more. There is no need to add salt or pepper as the juices are plenty flavorful. Make certain to use a slotted spoon to serve.

I also tried a hot toddy for the first time. How this hasn't happened in my 15+ years of adult life I have no idea. In the future I'll probably tone down on the lemon juice and try with a dark liqour, but it was a nice little warmer late in the evening. I can't wait to have one on my deck in the snow.

Any unique flavors you experienced? How's the non-soccer going amongst you?

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Black Friday

Sitting at work and impatient for the other shoe to fall from the round of Sounders news on Wednesday. Annoyed that nothing is likely to happen until after the Re-Entry draft and the extent of the Sounders foundational overhaul is known.

Wednesday will ultimately be the proverbial clearing of the decks before a battle, but as a Sounders fan, Wednesday had a bitter flavor. The team has begun making the prepatory moves for this Winter’s personnel changes. Riley and Wahl are gone. All that remains is a rather ungratifying whiff of undisclosed Allocation money. Yes, this money will enable the Sounders the room to maneuver. But from a fan’s perspective it is wholly unsatisfying.

Add to this the possible departure of Arlo and the prelude to Montano departing (perhaps without the Sounders receiving any compensation), and Black Friday finds me clammering to find something to wash the taste out of my mouth.

Time for a philosophic pint.

by Abbott Smith on Nov 25, 2011 2:44 PM PST reply actions  

I know.... : (

At least with the Re-Entry draft we’ll have a better idea of what the Sounders are clearing off the books and could even see a new Sounder picked up through the process. But I agree, the most significant moves are likely to come from outside of the MLS. There isn’t much incentive for most teams to trade within the league and the Sounders in particular have not shown a tendency to trade with other MLS teams to acquire players off of MLS rosters.

by Abbott Smith on Nov 25, 2011 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

They can annoucne signings prior to the window

that player just can’t play for them

I am not a Supporter | I am not a Fan | I am a Sounder
Sounder At Heart

by Dave Clark on Nov 25, 2011 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

It's the most wonderful time of the year...

Winter Ales everyday. Fireside Chat, Sleigh’r, Jubeale, Abominable and many more to come. I can’t get enough.

Also had a Vertical Epic on tap at the Noble Fir. So incredibly good. Can’t wait to crack open my bottle conditioned one next year.

by Codemos on Nov 25, 2011 2:47 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Speaking of beer

I bottle “Number Two – An American Interpretation of English Strong Ale” next week. I’m thankful I’ll be doing that while the player inspiring that one is still a Sounder.

I am not a Supporter | I am not a Fan | I am a Sounder
Sounder At Heart

by Dave Clark on Nov 25, 2011 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm trying to come up with a Sounder-themed name for my IPA I'm brewing

It’s hard to work player names into something IPA related. I’ve done a Terry Bock and a Red NeagAle, but not an IPA. And..I think I stole that second one from somebody else. Zach Scotch is something I’m planning on down the road, but first I need to start getting into those types before I try and brew one.

by chrisperry1983 on Nov 25, 2011 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I just started seeing Sleigh'r in stores

I will have to pry myself away from my beloved IPA’s and give it a shot. I am also of course partial to Snow Cap. As eggnog is to most people around Christmas, Snow Cap is to me.

by chrisperry1983 on Nov 25, 2011 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm an IPA guy too

But I can never resist a good, strong winter warmer.

And Dave, I love the name. We are about to keg an IPA we made.

by Codemos on Nov 25, 2011 3:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Winter Ale and the taste of malt

Should be time for all the delightful seasonal offerings at Malt and Vine. Alaska’s Baltic Porter should be out soon. (Though their 25th Anniversary Perserverance Ale is quite nice.) Looking forward the Bourbon Barrell Quad from Boulevard and later in the winter, the Southern Tier Black Water Chocolate Stout. Give me a high alcohol, malt forward brew any day of the week.

As for taste in beer, my rules are simple, If you can see through it, taste the hops or cannae float small woodlawn critters on top of it, I’m not interested.

IPA isn’t on my list of potable drinks. Blech….

by Abbott Smith on Nov 25, 2011 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

My beer theory...

…is that eventually most true beer fans end up in one of three camps, each associated with one of the non-water ingredients of beer.

Yeast → Belgians
Hops → IPAs
Malt → Stouts

I’m a yeast guy, myself.

by asimismo on Nov 26, 2011 10:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Guess I'm not a true fan

Because I’m not drinking a bottle of hop perfume or a mass market American lager no matter how much you might enjoy it.

by Abbott Smith on Nov 27, 2011 8:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I know, but I had to tweak your ear for the 'true' comment : )

I grew up hating beer. Took a long time to find that there were a plethora of beer styles that I really enjoy. The spectrum of beer is so broad that there is room for many palettes. I like asimismo’s break down because it can help a beer drinker find the styles that they most enjoy.

My problem with the current approach to hops is the same problem that I have with many hot sauces. Instead of being about balancing flavors and accenting a particular flavor combination, hops and hot sauces often become testosterone contests. How much can I tolerate as a sign of manhood? I personnally stopped trying to show off to other guys when I realized that I wasn’t interested in attracting another guy for a mate.

Because hops is a flower, a little goes a long way in balancing a beer. I don’t have a problem with appreciating the nuances between the different hops and use them in my brewing. But it isn’t my favorite flavor and I don’t personally accentuate it in my beers. For those who enjoy hops, there are plenty of brewers who cater to their palettes.

by Abbott Smith on Nov 28, 2011 11:27 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed W/R/T the hops arms race.

I love good IPAs, but there was a period there where it was all about going mental with the IBUs at the expense of quality. That’s died down a bit, thankfully.

(And for the record, the “true” bit was a tweaking of the comment I was replying to.)

by Aaron Campeau on Nov 28, 2011 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm working my way into the yeast category

Belgians are so difficult to love. It’s like drinking skunk beer.

by chrisperry1983 on Nov 28, 2011 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

A Quick Belgian Beer Primer

The historical Belgian approach to brewing lies on the opposite end of the spectrum from the German Beer Purity laws. Where the Germans restricted brewing to the four core ingredients, the Belgians dove wholeheartedly into experimentation. They messed extensively with indigenous yeasts, open fermentation, spices and adding sugars through syrups, fruit juices and candi. The result is that the Belgian tradition has the broadest range of taste profiles within the traditional beer genres. Belgian isn’t a single style. Heck, it isn’t even a single taste profile. There are Belgian brews for almost every taste profile and a few that are unlike anything short of the experimentations from Dogfish Head.

Here is a brief outline of some of the traditional Belgian styles for those who are interested in taking a walk on the wilder side of traditional beer.

Trappist Ales: Dubbels, Trippels and Quads Originally brewed by a series of Trappist monasteries, these are malt forward styles with increasingly higher ABVs. Hops are downplayed to bring out the unique flavors of the yeasts and malts.

Saison: Summer Farm Ales A lighter style of Belgian beer that is accessible to many American palettes. It was traditionally a farm brew and varied considerably based on where it was produced.

Belgian Sours: Flemish Red and Old Sour Browns These beers have a distinctly sour, fruity profile caused by their use of yoghurt yeasts and aging in wooden barrels. These are the beers that give Belgian beers their skunk reputation. Unique and for many an acquired taste. Not something that I would try first, but definitely worth considering as you explore beer.

Golden Ale and Pirate Beers These are high alcohol, spiced, malt forward beers with a rich golden color. They will often have a reference to the Devil or Pirates in their names. Great beers for those of us who love malt forward styles.

Witbeer: Spiced Wheat Beer This is the Belgian version of a Hefeweissen. It is almost always flavored with coriander and bitter orange peel.

Lambics: Belgian Fruit Beers These are beers brewed with fruit juice. Depending on the brand they can be sweet, fruity or tart.

Belgian Stouts and Holiday Beers Malt forward brews that utilize Belgian brewing with the darker malts and aromatic spices.

 Lots of fun stuff to sample and try. The emphasis on yeast and malt along with all of the additives make the flavor profiles wide and varied. Have fun.

by Abbott Smith on Nov 28, 2011 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Note on Lambics

Technically a Lambic is an open system fermented wheat beer. Fruit Lambics are a substyle with added fruit juice. Lambics also often have a sour profile due to the wild yeasts and open fermentation and also contribute to the Belgian skunk reputation.

by Abbott Smith on Nov 28, 2011 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Pick your own adjective!

I wanted to differentiate between people who drink beer for flavor from the—for lack of a better term—frat-boy style of beer fan.

And I agree that “true” (in my parlance) beer fans can appreciate all camps. That’s why I said “most.” People tend to be drawn to one branch of the art or another, in my observation. I do know a few folks who don’t seem to have a preference, yet clearly are knowledgeable and aware of the beer ecosystem. I consider them outliers. :-)

by asimismo on Nov 28, 2011 5:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Beer Generalist

I just consider myself appreciative of several kinds of beer. Though I do favor darker and well crafted (read smaller batches) over the mass batch. I mostly drink home brews and micros of many ilks. But as a still playing soccer player I have been known to not refuse what would some here would label a “frat beer.” shudder

Nos audietis in somniis, Nos audietis in altum: You will hear us!

by chrisso on Nov 30, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Great description

I definitely fall into the malt camp with side trips into the world of yeast. No interest at all in hops or water other than as supporting cast.

by Abbott Smith on Nov 27, 2011 8:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Getting ready to fry

My vision is stuffing, turkey, and mashed potatoes balled up and deep fried. Gravy on top. We’ll see how it goes.

by Cornchops on Nov 25, 2011 3:01 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Sharing is caring

although that might be pretty old by the time I see you next

I am not a Supporter | I am not a Fan | I am a Sounder
Sounder At Heart

by Dave Clark on Nov 25, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

It turned out pretty well.

Also good with ranch dressing. Had leftover batter so made some fried pickles and onion rings.

Then I had dinner.

Then I had four different things for dessert.

When will it end?

by Cornchops on Nov 25, 2011 11:14 PM PST up reply actions  

"When will it end?"

Keep eating like that and the answer will be “a lot sooner than you might want.” (rimshot)

by regnaD kciN on Nov 26, 2011 1:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Throwing this topic out there for discussion

What do you guys follow in the offseason in terms of sports? I’m sure there’s a few throwball fans out there, probably more EPL fans. I myself am a big NCAA basketball fan, and I’m rooting for the Zags to go deep into the tournament this year.

I met a possum.

by s0merand0mdude on Nov 25, 2011 3:48 PM PST reply actions  

When I have time to watch...

I’ve followed Tottenham Hotspur for a number of years, and Premier League in general. I’m back in grad school at Gonzaga so I guess I am rooting for them now in basketball, as well as UW. I like college football a lot too, mainly watch UW, Notre Dame, and whatever big name schools I happen to run across while watching.

by chrisperry1983 on Nov 25, 2011 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

EPL, UEFA CL and American Football

My first alma mater is currently playing in the D3 NCAA football tournament. I’ll also probably watch a little EPL along the way and Barca when I can find a televised game.

by Abbott Smith on Nov 25, 2011 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

OK that was a thrilling comeback

Down 21-0 at half, my alma mater came back to win their playoff game 29-28. The final drive was capped by a 2 point conversion off a tipped pass with less than a minute to play.

by Abbott Smith on Nov 28, 2011 9:58 AM PST up reply actions  

WSU basketball

Also Seahawks, Liverpool, and I’d like to go to a T-Birds game or two

Writer: CougCenter Twitterer: @Grady_WSU

by Grady Clapp on Nov 25, 2011 6:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Everton, Dortmund, Seahawks, Huskies

Mariners offseason as well. Also been going to a lot of Fort Lewis soccer games lately. Go Skyhawks!

by moyerLIVES on Nov 25, 2011 7:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Dortmund:

What is your opinion on Mario Gotze and Mats Hummels? More specifically Hummels? I’m hearing a lot of rumors about Juve asking about him, and I like what I have seen. Gotze I know is class, and very pricey, and not likely to leave before summer, at the earliest.

La Vecchia Signora Forever!

by AKSupporter on Nov 25, 2011 9:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Gotze is an incendiary talent but still very young. Still looking for him to show more creativity and cleverness as opposed to quickness and youthful vigor.

I think that if there were both to stay, Subotic and Hummels could be the best CB duo in Europe in the next few years. Seems like the way things go in the Bundesliga, Hummels will wind up at Bayern eventually. He came up through the youth program there, so I wouldn’t really be surprised. I’d keep an eye on the Hummels/Subotic pairing. Those two are very complete defenders and still young.

by moyerLIVES on Nov 25, 2011 10:53 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I still follow a bit of the other Seattle pro sports

but not at the same level I used to. There was a time I was huge on baseball and basketball.

This year, mainly the Academy and how teams with players I like are doing. al-Sadd still.

I am not a Supporter | I am not a Fan | I am a Sounder
Sounder At Heart

by Dave Clark on Nov 25, 2011 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Liverpool, Servette FC...

…(the latter of which is pretty impossible to follow closely over here), the Seahawks, UW, with occasional glances at the Boston Bruins and Seattle U. basketball. I used to be a huge Celtics fan, but the NBA is dead to me (even if this season wasn’t dead anyway).

by regnaD kciN on Nov 26, 2011 1:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Hey, they came back

The first game will be on Christmas and then they’ll play games twice as frequenty as the past. That should be GREAT for quality.

I am not a Supporter | I am not a Fan | I am a Sounder
Sounder At Heart

by Dave Clark on Nov 26, 2011 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Seahawks, Sounders offseason, and the Penguins

It’s kind of hard to actually follow the Seahawks from Alabama since they are never on… but I try none the less.
Obviously will be watching what happens in the Sounders offseason as well as MLS offseason.
I just decided I was going to start watching the NHL this year as I’ve always like hockey but never tried to , the Pittsburgh Penguins. It just so happens that is a pretty good bridge during the offseason since they play a majority of their season during the MLS offseason.
I will probably standings watch most of the top Euro leagues, but not a whole lot more than that.

by majora999 on Nov 28, 2011 8:58 AM PST up reply actions  

This is my first Black Friday in a non-retail job.

It’s completely dead, and ridiculously awesome. I’ve been basically surfing the web for eight hours.

@ritual605

by Greg Pirkl Lives on Nov 25, 2011 4:17 PM PST reply actions  

Those brussel sprouts sound delicious

Might have to roast a bird just to try them.

by look4wrd on Nov 25, 2011 9:20 PM PST reply actions  

A little late but...

Here’s what I put together for our “Friday Friends & Family Feast”:

Turkey: brined for 48 hours in a mixture that included brown sugar, orange juice and pomegranate juice.
Cornbread stuffing
Gravy made from veggies that had been roasting underneath turkey

Must say, I was pretty proud of myself. Ended up feeding about 17 people, all of whom brought their own dishes as well.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Nov 28, 2011 5:30 PM PST reply actions  

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