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Marc Burch Selected By Sounders | Jaqua, Noonan Move On

Marc Burch is now likely to wear Rave Green as a depth defensive player after being selected by the Seattle Sounders today.

Seattle Sounders FC clearly wanted one player in today's Re-Entry Draft Stage Two when they made a last minute trade with the Vancouver Whitecaps for the number one pick, giving up their natural 3rd round pick (1st supplemental) in 2014 MLS Draft. Moments later they selected MLS veteran and former D.C. United player Marc Burch. Burch's 2011 salary is reported to be 97.5k, but is subject to renegotiation per the RED rules. At only 27 he's had a few injury issues missing nearly all of the 2010 season, as well as much of 2011. Sigi Schmid previously acquired Burch in the 2nd half of his rookie year acquiring him from the LA Galaxy to join the 2006 Columbus Crew.

After joining United in 2007 Burch gained experience in the following international tournaments; 2008 CONCACAF Champions Cup, 2008 SuperLiga, 2008/09CONCACAF Champions League and the 2009/10 CCL. In the past couple years Burch has played the left back in a traditional four man line, but also has experience as the left centerback in a three man line.

Star-divide

One of Seattle's significant needs is now filled with Burch. Rather than have youngsters Michael Tetteh or rumored Ever Alvarado with significant time, they can now develop, assuming that Burch and the Sounders can agree to terms.

The Sounders also continue to get younger. The only two available Sounders were each picked. Nate Jaqua's MLS rights are now held by the New England Revolution. Pat Noonan is one of 6 players selected by the Galaxy. Both Jaqua and Noonan finished the season with lower contracts than they started. LA added vets and have some questions in their youth - Leonardo and Juninho have contract/loan issues while Sean Franklin ended his deal. In New England Jaqua should readily compete for time on a team without much depth.

ChestRockwell from Black & Red United gives a scouting report;

Burch is a left back/left midfielder who played center back under Tom Soehn due to equal parts injury crisis and ill-advised experiment. The primary problem for Burch as a defender has always been that he still appears to be a conversion project many years later. Defensive positioning doesn't come easily to him; throw in a lack of speed, and he is a player that opposing teams have been picking on for years with United. He also struggles with defending cleanly. He has to commit fouls too often, and tends to put a lot of anger into his slide tackles (making him a card risk).

He is not all bad, though. He is a real competitor, and both Soehn and Olsen have praised him as a locker room presence and as a teammate. Calling him a hard man would be fair; Burch definitely plays with an edge that has bothered opposing players in the past. His appearances at center back actually weren't as bad as his reputation would suggest. There were times where he appeared adequate, though it should be noted that this just meant not being awful for a team that bled goals.

You will here plenty about his supposedly cultured left foot, but that's more of a myth than a reality. Burch does possess tremendous power on free kicks, but generally needs either a) to be dead center and about 30 yards out or b) to shoot low and hope that the wall jumps. In other words, for every one great free kick he produces, there are 6 or 7 wasted ones. As for his crossing ability, Burch doesn't often get into position to hook the ball in due to his lack of speed. Further, he is extraordinarily one-footed, so he often needs an eternity to set up his crosses, which are then easily defended. He also finds himself forced onto his right foot often, which means the best outcome to hope for is a back pass.

With a stronger supporting cast, his weaknesses will be covered for more often than they were here, where having 2 good center backs has been a rarity since 2008. He will somewhat resemble Leo Gonzalez for Seattle, except Gonzalez has better anticipation and more defensive knowledge in general. From where I sit, this was an ill-advised selection for the Sounders, even if trading up to get Burch ends up carrying little cost.

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Who's the new scapegoat?

So with Noonan and Jaqua officially out, who will become the Sounders fans new universal scapegoat?

by wedjee on Dec 12, 2011 11:48 AM PST reply actions  

Most will say Evans

Even though the hate will be almost entirely undeserved.

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by LoiteringWithIntent on Dec 12, 2011 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Wait what?

Is the lazy one gone now?

by agtk on Dec 13, 2011 12:12 AM PST up reply actions  

So, um.... yeah. Not excited about this.

Hopefully the staff saw something in him? If he signs for about the league minimum, I might not be so pessimistic about it.

by Nevtelen on Dec 12, 2011 11:56 AM PST reply actions  

Staff was pining for Wahl...

…still, I would have taken Freeman. Those looking for a major change at LB are out of luck, barring a trade of Leo or Burch going unsigned, and I suppose the team will make a significant effort to upgrade the team via RB.

by nimajneb on Dec 12, 2011 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

That was my read

Not that I don’t like Leo, but with all the noise that was made about upgrading our fullbacks… not yet impressed.

by Nevtelen on Dec 12, 2011 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Hero and Mora

That’ll do it, then this guy can just serve as backup in case of an injury.

by Toxtr3m34u on Dec 12, 2011 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Definitely true

but they could be looking elsewhere for an upgrade and if you’re working on signing a good attacking left-back as an upgrade, why carry 3 LBs on the roster, one of whom (Leo) makes relatively good money? And why pay even something as inconsequential as the 5th rd pick in 2052 or whatever it was in order to sign a backup LB? To me, this is a sign that we probably won’t see much more change at LB.

by Nevtelen on Dec 12, 2011 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think we'll see huge change at LB

Just pointing out that this move doesn’t really change anything.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Dec 12, 2011 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

In the 50k-60k range I think he could be a good addition.

For much more and i will not be impressed. Hopefully with the departure of Jaqua and Noonan we will have enough cap room to get another LB also. Apperently this was part of Adrian’s plan since he made sure to trade up to get him. The trade could not have been for much, since Van did not even pick anyone.

Basically this was a replacement for Whal (about same ability from what i can see). So the trade worked like this.

We gave up: Whal-undisclosed trade ammount
To get: undisclosed allocation money-Burch

As long as we did not trade all of our Allocation money we got for Whal and Burch’s salary is not larger than Whal’s was we came out on top.

by MurrayD on Dec 12, 2011 12:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm on the same page

Not so bad to have a 60k backup defender that’s been in the league a couple years. Hopefully the FO saw something that they can change or groom in him to make him a little bit better, it’s at least worth a shot. I would imagine this is more of a backup type move than a replacement, you just don’t replace with stage 2 of the expansion draft (unless you’re NER)….I like trading Wahl for Allocation and picking this guy up at the same salary, netting the allocation money.

by Toxtr3m34u on Dec 12, 2011 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

These moves are never going to be exciting, but they're always going to be necessary.

There was a huge need for some depth on the left side of defense, and this takes care of that.

by Aaron Campeau on Dec 12, 2011 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Right side of defence is worse.

We currently have no one at right back. And no one to back them up.

by MurrayD on Dec 12, 2011 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Zach Scott

Not ideal, but we have someone.

Recessionproof since 2009.

by 253Sounder on Dec 12, 2011 1:04 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

It's only 12.12.11.

Plenty of time to improve. Besides, veteran defense depth at only 27 is a fine addition at the right price.

by footychatterbypetitt on Dec 12, 2011 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Left side

Do you think this is the only move they’ll make or do you believe they’ll go after someone like Hero? I just ask because if you go for a starter on the left (although some believe Hero would be more of a project than a starter) than wouldn’t Leo be your depth?

by Toxtr3m34u on Dec 12, 2011 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

So at LB we now have

Leo
Burch (assuming we sign him)
Tetteh

I dont see us signing a starter without Leo or Burch getting traded. We could add a youngster though.

by MurrayD on Dec 12, 2011 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't see much need to add anyone else on the left.

And I certainly don’t see us adding a starter unless Leo is traded.

by Aaron Campeau on Dec 12, 2011 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

if he hasn't been already...

Burch could easily take away some reserve minutes Tetteh could be using to refine his defense.

by nimajneb on Dec 12, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

He's the LB on the GA tour right now

And played more LB than LM at the end of the year

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by Dave Clark on Dec 12, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

...which means he's the most appropriate LB

on the GA squad. That doesn’t mean the Sounders see his long-term future there. All I’m saying is that going out of our way to get Burch suggests the team doesn’t want to rely on Tetteh for minutes spelling Leo in competitive matches in 2012. That could mean they see him on a longer development path, but keeping his defense off the field for his first two years (apart from the reserve league) is not extraordinarily encouraging.

by nimajneb on Dec 12, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't see it....

I don’t see how the FO could trade Wahl who started quite a few games above Leo, say they are going to upgrade the defense, then put Leo back in there?

by Toxtr3m34u on Dec 12, 2011 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Wahl was a more attacking option.

If the plan is to add an attack right back, Leo makes sense.

by Aaron Campeau on Dec 12, 2011 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Also, please note:

I think the Sounders first choice would be to trade Leo and sign another left back. It’s kind of what I am expecting them to do. But if something doesn’t work out on that front, Leo is still a good guy to have around.

by Aaron Campeau on Dec 12, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree and you're point was good

I see your point and agree the way to go would be to add another player and trade Leo….

by Toxtr3m34u on Dec 12, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

simple explanation...

Wahl started some games in 2011 because he offered something above Leo on offense (specifically, better strength and precision on long left-footed service). He did NOT start because he was, overall, a better player (and, indeed, Leo received several starts where it was clear the Sounders preferred a defensive option).

by nimajneb on Dec 12, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Better attacking option?

Did Sigi say this at some point? I always assumed it was because Leo was a bit out of control, he attacked too much and left his position and stuck his foot in a lot rather than containing his man leading to bad yellows because he had to chase guys down to save a play. Leo was much better on offense as far as beating his man down the line and getting balls played in, Wahl was slower and less skilled. I thought he was just in there because he was conservative on D and could kick corners (even though he routinely got outrun by speedy wingers). Burch seems a strange move to me – I thought Tettah would move in to backup Leo (or whomever they signed to start in your trade Leo and sign a starter scenario which does make some sense). I guess depth is depth. Just seems we are very heavy on LB’s when we’ve never had more than one legit RB.

by atu81 on Dec 12, 2011 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

set piece offense, primarily.

Wahl has a bit more range on his crosses. Leo is certainly more skillful at advancing the ball past a defender 1 on 1. Wahl has a bit more stamina for getting back to the defensive third after helping out on O.

All in all, I think your read and mine are pretty much the same on the two players.

by nimajneb on Dec 12, 2011 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with that

Either way I was not too surprised to see Wahl go, but I did also think Leo was possibly on his way out. But right now we have a bunch of LB’s so it would seem strange for us to go out and get another unless someone else leaves. And strange to grab Burch if his skillset is so similar to Wahl’s, but if Burch is an enforcer I can like the move, I think we really lack a guy who can intimidate some opponents, seems we’re always on the ground crying for fouls, we need some guys who can make the other teams do the same, at least until MLS decides they want to protect their players.

by atu81 on Dec 12, 2011 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Parke fills that role on the defense

Ochoa has the potential to do it well on the offense. And the Honey Badger does it all over the pitch. I think we’re fine.

by Dizzo on Dec 12, 2011 1:40 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Why trade up here?

Does anyone honestly think Burch would have been picked by slot 14 in the first round? Freeman went in the second round. Without speed, I am not seeing how Burch fits in our system, even as a backup. As Sigi knows the guy, we’ll just have to trust his judgment.

by Brougham Hooligan on Dec 12, 2011 12:24 PM PST reply actions  

3rd round pick in 2014

or 1st supplemental if the system stays the same as it is now

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by Dave Clark on Dec 12, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd assume

we just wanted to be in the top seven or so and just got the best offer from vancouver.

by connorb3 on Dec 12, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Slow

is not the word I’m looking for when thinking of left/right backs. Lack of positioning would be second on that list. I’m starting to get that sinking feeling about our defense and hope it’s just a gut reaction to the marked lack of sunlight flooding through my windows these days. I know our hands are somewhat tied, but we’ve got to find a way to bring in a strong, fast defender at that position….. even if it’s just one of many pieces to the puzzle.

by swansuite on Dec 12, 2011 12:38 PM PST reply actions  

Two thoughts

1 – I’m not a fan. No reason to trade anything to move up in the re-entry draft. This sounds like a Sigi guy move similar to Noonan. Great character guy, but on field impact seems very, very small. I personally think there were better fullbacks left in the draft. At least his initial contract will be smaller.

2 – This is a resounding thumbs down on the progress of Tetteh as LB. Frankly, Leo is a much better defender than Burch as both a left-back and a center-back. Burch is even slower than Leo so his offensive contributions will be minimal. I don’t remember him being much of a passer either.

Clearly, they felt Tetteh was not ready even for a back-up role at the LB spot.

by Dizzo on Dec 12, 2011 12:40 PM PST reply actions  

Well, I bet Tetteh isn't ready to be our back-up LB against Santos

Or in the CCL semis or in the CCL finals. I don’t think this says a whole lot about Tetteh. Tetteh’s young and Burch is only around for this year as far as we know. There are potentially a ton of games on our calendar this year and Leo could get hurt.

by ubelmann on Dec 12, 2011 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Neither is Burch

Playing Burch for anything more than 10 minutes with a lead against Santos is just asking for trouble.

by Dizzo on Dec 12, 2011 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

If Burch comes on v Santos it means Seattle is moving to a prevent defense

protecting a lead and dropping a forward

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by Dave Clark on Dec 12, 2011 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly...

Not exactly inspiring. I’d rather see them being Ianni (or whomever is the CB on the bench at the time) in off the bench for a prevent defense.

by Dizzo on Dec 12, 2011 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Burch would probably be fine

We beat Monterrey in Mexico with Wahl at LB. If I took every negative comment about Wahl seriously, starting him in a game against U14 girls would be an automatic 10-goal loss. Burch is probably at least as good as Wahl, maybe better. Experience isn’t everything, but Burch is a lot less likely to make a terrible mental mistake than a really inexperienced player like Tetteh.

by ubelmann on Dec 12, 2011 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

We'll have to disagree on that one

They’re similiar as far as speed and offensive contribution, but I personally think Wahl is a much better defender.

by Dizzo on Dec 12, 2011 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm eager to see this move in the context of all the changes to come

… because yes, I have a similar initial reaction. I understand Sigi knows him. Sigi also knows Wahl so in the end we have two known quantities that seem roughly equal and have chosen one over the other. Curious.

Admittedly I’m an outsider but I’m seeing a trend I find worrisome with Sigi. There’s a loyalty to these former players he brings back into the fold (Evans, Jacqua, Burch) that can seem unfounded at times. I’ve also noticed in several of our players’ recent departure press releases there is no mention of thanks specifically to Sigi. I’m thinking of Riley, who mentioned the “coaching staff” (at the bottom of a long list), and Graham’s appreciation to Adrian and Schmetzer specifically. I wonder if Sigi’s going to eventually have a man-management problem?

by CityDrew on Dec 12, 2011 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

It's Jaqua

About Graham, he had a relationship with Adrian and Schmetz from 2005 to present and hardly played for Sigi. Who would you thank?

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by Dave Clark on Dec 12, 2011 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Burch over Wahl isn't accurate...

…rather, if you take the SaH editors’ suspicions, Wahl was part of the expansion draft calculus. Burch isn’t preferred over and above Wahl. Instead he is simply a like-for-like player style replacement.

by nimajneb on Dec 12, 2011 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

It wasn't based off our unfounded suspicions

It’s based on conversations we’ve had with people who would know this stuff. You can fill in the blanks if you want.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Dec 12, 2011 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

i didn't mean the term to imply otherwise...

I don’t use particularly strong words to describe conclusions heard secondhand in the absence of a direct quote, no matter how much I trust the reporting source. I certainly mean no offense by it, and I trust that SaH’s interpretation is accurate.

by nimajneb on Dec 12, 2011 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Fair enough

Also didn’t imply I was offended. Just clarifying about the reliability of the source.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Dec 12, 2011 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Expansion Draft "last minute reaction"

Not calculus

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by Dave Clark on Dec 12, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

well the difference...

is a matter of timing. The point remains that Wahl leaving was not an ideal situation. It certainly had nothing to do with a yet-to-be-determined Re-Entry draft stage 2 player list.

by nimajneb on Dec 12, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Put in that context I can agree

if in fact we had to scramble and give up Wahl to convince Impact to take Riley over Fucito, then this was a good bit of mitigating the loss with a cheap known quantity.

And I may be wrong about the man management but it’s very rare these days that a press release isn’t completely written and/or vetted by PR flack to make certain all the right things are said. I still find it curious neither player thanked Sigi by name.

by CityDrew on Dec 12, 2011 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

How often are departed players indebted to former coaches?

It’s just not how it generally works. Guys are almost alwasy leaving because the coach deemed them more expendable than they saw themselves. Sigi is far from perfect, but it’s a tad silly to lump in a guy like Jaqua who had never played for Sigi along with Noonan, who had played for him. It’s also a tad over-the-top to throw in Evans, who, for all his faults, is not in the same category as Noonan or Jaqua.

Going a step farther, what more could Sigi have done for Riley while Riley was here? He played more minutes than almost any guy on the team.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Dec 12, 2011 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you make a point

When a player really likes his coach he absolutely mentions his name when thanking coaches. Especially the head coach, remember Ljundberg was not shy about saying he had differences with Sigi and said he thought others on the the team thought the same when he left. Not saying Ljundbergs opinion means a lot, he certainly wore his emotions on his sleeve, but it does sort of go along with the fact that those guys didn’t say something positive about Sigi when they left. This could mean nothing at all but it’s certainly an interesting observation.

by atu81 on Dec 12, 2011 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

They're all professional soccer players

They’re not required to love Sigi. They just need to respect him and his coaching. That’s never been a problem with Sigi’s teams AFAIK.

by Dizzo on Dec 12, 2011 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

That's true, still interesting though

And could be important when attracting new talent, though there hasn’t been any evidence of that so far.

by atu81 on Dec 12, 2011 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Show me a soccer player who moves to a team because he believes he's going to be friends with the coach

and I’ll show you a pro who won’t be playing too long. As far as incoming players, Sigi, inasmuch as it matters, will likely be judged by how much his teams have won and how often he’s gotten guys to the next level. Whether or not any of these guys personally like Sigi, and none of us really have much of an idea about that, it just really doesn’t matter much as long as they have a healthy working relationship. Do you like all of your co-workers? How about your boss? Not that different.

by Nevtelen on Dec 12, 2011 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Being friends and liking your boss is totally different

You don’t have to be friends with your boss to like them and work hard for them. Not saying this is at all the case with Sigi but you better believe players will play harder for a coach they like and respect.

by atu81 on Dec 12, 2011 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

And based on what you saw on the field last season

why would you think this is anything but true? Teams that play for a coach that they don’t respect look like later Soehn-era DC or Preki-era (can you even call it an era?) Toronto. They don’t look like what the Sounders looked like last season.

by Nevtelen on Dec 12, 2011 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Like-ability not the point -- let's let this die

In any job liking your boss is a bonus, but it’s pretty important to respect them regardless. Again, I’m sure Sigi gets both but press releases from professional athletes out of professional organizations rarely miss ticking all the boxes on saying the proper thing. I found it odd this element of respect was missing that’s all.

by CityDrew on Dec 12, 2011 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

That just seems like a bit of a stretch to me

The Wahl thing could be as simple as the fact that the team could get a reasonable amount of allocation for him and chose to do so as allocation can be hard to come by and is precious. As for the rest… that’s really a stretch. I think the amount of quality and work Sigi got out of his players – starters and backups – this season speaks volumes more than who a player may or may not have intentially thanked or not thanked by name in a press release.

by Nevtelen on Dec 12, 2011 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't understand why this move was made

If we are truly going after Mora/Alvarado (I forget which one is the LB) I don’t understand why we’d take this guy to be depth. We have Leo, Leo is good. Do we really need a 3rd depth player? We’d been getting along great with Leo/Wahl and Tetteh as our 3rd. This does not make sense to me.

Then again I’m not on the coaching staff, they know way more than I do, etc…

by chrisperry1983 on Dec 12, 2011 12:47 PM PST reply actions  

if Alvarado is added Left back chart goes - Leo, Burch, Alvarado

left mid goes – Alvaro, Zakuani, Neagle, Tetteh

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by Dave Clark on Dec 12, 2011 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Tettah's really behind

I thought we drafted Tettah to compete for future LB, didn’t think he’d drop so far behind in the depth chart. We need to shift some of this depth to the right side of the field.

by atu81 on Dec 12, 2011 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Tetteh

could still be a future leftback, but is only 22 (defenders develop slower). He also has skills that could suit other places so if other developmental projects are added his move doesn’t mean it was a bad draft.

Please remember that Alvaro and Neagle can and do play on the right. There is no lack of depth on the right. There’s a lack of a starting caliber RB right now.

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by Dave Clark on Dec 12, 2011 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Comparatively there is a lack

You just listed 6 guys, possibly seven on the LM/LB spots, on the right Neagle, Levesque, and Evans are a bit forced and Scott is the only RB. And when you’re depth chart has the same guys listed on the left and right its not so deep. Guess I’m saying it just seems very left sided.

by atu81 on Dec 12, 2011 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

The way things (outside here) have been written

they did not make it sound like he was a bench player. That is news to me. If that is the case, then I feel like the FO effed this up on the LB situation. This whole time it’s been talk of upgrading, and this is not an upgrade, nor is another bench player with longer term prospects.

by chrisperry1983 on Dec 12, 2011 1:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it is a contingency plan not a full blown solution

As others have noted it is not even January. An upgrade that needs 6 months to develop is still an upgrade over a player that is just getting older.

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by chrisso on Dec 12, 2011 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

If you were looking to upgrade in the Re-Entry draft...

You were bound to be disappointed.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Dec 12, 2011 1:43 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

nah not via re entry

Through signings. Now the way it looks is Leo is it and burch is backup. That’s a step down overall. I thought Alvarado was supposed to be our lb for the future, sounds more like we’re not necessarily pursuing him, and he’d be bench depth anyway

by chrisperry1983 on Dec 12, 2011 2:25 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

You think the Re-Entry draft changes any plans?

I don’t think Burch’s acquisition is a reflection at all on what other plans may be in the works. The season is still a few months out.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Dec 12, 2011 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I really hope you're right

The move just does not make sense to me. Burch is widely critically panned, and he’s in his peak years, it’s doubtful he’ll get any better. Even at a reduced salary, it seems like our FO – given their ingenuity and surprises in the past – could have done a lot better.

by chrisperry1983 on Dec 12, 2011 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

He started 1 of 6 CCL group stage matches

Has very few league starts.

If he isn’t a starter in a worse league why would he be here?

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by Dave Clark on Dec 12, 2011 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I had never heard of him prior to the FO's interest

I had to go by what people were saying about him, just like I’d never heard of Gspurning, Nkufo, Friberg, and others who turned out to be great players.

by chrisperry1983 on Dec 12, 2011 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Something being missed in reading this draft...

the Sounders had a chance to upgrade over Scott at RB (in my opinion of course). This suggests both that the team is confident in Scott as a backup and that they have confidence in finding a significant upgrade for a starter above and beyond anyone available here.

by nimajneb on Dec 12, 2011 12:56 PM PST reply actions  

Formation seems to have definately shifted rightward with this move

So, assuming they come to terms with Burch and sign Mora, that leaves Leo starting at LB with Burch backstopping him. Both are limited players speed wise. So, that means the attacking width will need to come from Mora (or whomever they sign) coming up the right flank supporting Rosales.

That’ll mean Leo/Burch will need to stay back more forming a three man defensive line with the CBs. This limits their respective shortcomings. Also, Ozzie can get forward into the attack rather than dropping back into the defense. Sigi can replace Burch with Tetteh on the bench if he wants more speed on the left flank late in the game.

It’s not the big upgrade at LB I was hoping for, but I can see the appeal.

by Dizzo on Dec 12, 2011 1:38 PM PST reply actions  

Was wondering about a possible formation shift when they signed Gspurning.

We might be seeing a 3-3-4 mixed with Sigi’s arrow next season.

Much more aggressive on the attack.

by DaveValleDrinkNight on Dec 12, 2011 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

The strength of our mid-field is not in the air.

Mauro and company aren’t really tailor made to post up down field and win headers to start an attack. Keeping the ball on the ground more coming from the back would seem to get them going forward faster.

by DaveValleDrinkNight on Dec 12, 2011 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

But why would the Sounders building from the back have anything to do with them play a 3-3-4?

No teams in the world play a 3-3-4, at least that I know of, and it would be a drastic shift away from everything Sigi has ever done to play three at the back.

by Aaron Campeau on Dec 12, 2011 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

That's pretty typical for Alonso though

Seattle is playing a kind 4-4-2, notionally a 4-1-3-2 or the Arrow with even higher wide mids a CM and no CAM .

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by Dave Clark on Dec 12, 2011 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

They talked up his ability to pass out of the back

Sigi in particular noted his ability with the ball at his feet. Sounded like they expect more patient buildup through the defense rather than the “’ole MLS punt-n-pray.”

by Dizzo on Dec 12, 2011 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Keller had a pretty amazing long-ball

He was incredibly accurate with those long booming kicks of his. He would punt plenty, but you rarely had to pray with Keller. ;-)

by Dizzo on Dec 12, 2011 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Very much so

I was defiantly influenced by that great article on the recent article that Aaron on the main Seattle Sports site.

by Dizzo on Dec 12, 2011 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

For the veteran MLS watchers, what are the chances that the Sounders and Burch can't come to an agreement?

The whole discussion thread treats this as a done deal, but the team (via MLS) and he still have to come to terms on a decreased base salary correct? If that does not happen, the Sounders keep their draft choice and Burch becomes a free agent.

by CMC_Stags on Dec 12, 2011 2:28 PM PST reply actions  

It really depends between the gulf between his current salary and what they think he's worth

He’s currently making $97,000 which is a lot for a back-up at the full-back spot. I think a salary that fits better with his potential role on the Sounders is more in the $60,000-65,000 range. That’s a lot of ground to cover in salary negotiations.

On the positive side, the Sounders can offer a lot that isn’t in the salary negotiations. Burch has had injury problems and Seattle has a top notch medical team. Also, great fans and great quality of life here in Seattle.

Also, I don’t think there’s a huge market for Burch in MLS at anything higher than the range I mentioned earlier. So, he’d need to go abroad if he wants to get a bigger contract.

by Dizzo on Dec 12, 2011 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Two possible reasons for making this move:

1) We lost 7 sr. roster players through trade/expansion/waivers/retirement (Jaqua, Noonan, Keller, Boss, Wahl, Graham, and Riley …and ALL 7 were US players. We’ve replaced Keller with Gspurning (Austrian) and are looking at Alvarado and Mora (Honduran and Costa Rican)….we may be getting to a point where we are forced to add back some US players rather than looking abroad.

2) He has played for Sigi…so he’s going to have a gentler learning curve when it comes to what Sigi wants to do. Plus, he is a known quantity to Sigi and Sigs still wants him. That goes a long way for me.

I’m included to trust our FO and see how it all pans out.

by exSlacker on Dec 12, 2011 2:34 PM PST reply actions  

That was out of the blue

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by Seattle Coug on Dec 12, 2011 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Well that was unexpected. Glad we are so stacked in the midfield. I’m also curious what we got in return. Perhaps that will free up some space to make moves.

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by Perrinbar on Dec 12, 2011 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Burch

To be honest, I’m having some Danny Earls flashbacks right now. Remember how that worked out?

If this holds though, welcome to the club Marc! It’s a pretty big deal to be a Sounder. As long as you’re here, we hope you enjoy the ride and have the best soccer playing years of your life!

by bago'juice on Dec 12, 2011 5:57 PM PST reply actions  

Solid Move by Sounder Management

This was a small but very important step by Sounder Management. They add more depth to the defense with an American, which will not take up they very valuable international spot. While Marc Burch may not be an All-Star caliber player, he is a solid, inexpensive option at the back. From the limited time Tettah had on the pitch this last season, he was very unspectacular, and may never be ready for a starting role. I would expect the Sounder’s to take another defensive player in the SuperDraft coming up in January

by Western Conference on Dec 13, 2011 4:19 PM PST reply actions  

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