Sounders Mining Unique Foreign Shores
Various MLS teams carry associations with particular regions for their foreign players. The Chicago Fire rode their ability to scout Eastern Europe (decent football, middling economics) to an extraordinary launch for their franchise. D.C. United uses non-major nations from South America (decent football, poor economics) to become MLS first dynasty. Chivas USA specializes in Mexico (strong football, middling economics, nationalism). Toronto FC found Canadians (nationalism), while their national partner Vancouver Whitecaps basically ignored them. New York Red Bulls found a couple of Baltic players. With Seattle Sounders FC signing Adam Johansson (Sweden) and reportedly adding Christian Sivebaek (Denmark) combined with past players Erik Friberg and Freddie Ljungberg they seem to be expanding a connection to Scandinavia.
Unlike the mining of the Caribbean, Africa, Central America or Asia these players come from strong economic situations. Unlike the discovery of talents from Western Europe (especially England and France) these aren't players being ignored by their home nations' top leagues.
In some ways when MLS finds players from Scandinavia they are finding similar types of players to those in Argentina or Brazil. They are from nations known to produce talent in areas heavily scouted by Europe's top leagues. In other ways they are similar to players discovered from Belgium, Scotland or Switzerland as they are from relatively strong economies, some of the strongest economies in the world.
Now each signing is a unique set of circumstances related to transfer fee, contract value & length, playing opportunity and ability to generate interest in future earnings. Still as a group, Seattle's ability to appeal to players from nations of wealth and soccer ability is a bit unique. Yes, there are only four total players so far, but last year in MLS there were only three players on MLS rosters from the area.
Today Johannson said "The Sounders are one of the biggest teams in the United States. They want to be one of the top clubs in North and South America and have big crowds. I'm joining a club with a very good reputation." When Austrian Michael Gspurnning signed he mentioned large crowds and playing in international competitions as part of their reason for choosing Seattle as well.
It's a unique combination in Major League Soccer. Only the LA Galaxy, Fire and United have histories with strong support and success. Most of their internationals came from poorer nations with LA of course breaking the bank to get a couple strong players from the British Isles.
In looking at the regional distribution of talent last season for all of MLS you see that talent is mostly found from the Western Hemisphere, specifically the less famous footballing nations. While the Sounders somehow appeal to players from nations with similar economic status of the United States. This team over its more than three offseasons has ignored two important talent zones where other MLS teams have succeeded - North America and Brazil/Argentina.
|
Region |
Sounders 09 to Present Players |
Percent |
All 2011 MLS |
Percent |
|
Mexico/Canada |
0 |
0% |
32 |
15% |
|
Rest South America |
4 |
20% |
29 |
14% |
|
Caribbean |
4 |
20% |
24 |
11% |
|
Brazil/Argentina |
1 |
5% |
23 |
11% |
|
West Africa |
2 |
10% |
22 |
11% |
|
British Isles |
0 |
0% |
15 |
7% |
|
Eastern Europe |
0 |
0% |
15 |
7% |
|
Western Europe |
3 |
15% |
13 |
6% |
|
Central America |
1 |
5% |
12 |
6% |
|
Rest of Africa |
1 |
5% |
12 |
6% |
|
Asia/Oceania |
0 |
0% |
7 |
3% |
|
Scandinavia |
4 |
20% |
5 |
2% |
While all MLS teams are looking for talent from specific leagues, nations or regions they can exploit (Seattle in East Africa and Caribbean) the ability to persuade players in regions that they shouldn't be able to exploit is uniquely Seattle.
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Great article
I love the international scouting articles.
by Dizzo on Dec 29, 2011 12:54 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Confused by the Table
I must be missing something in the explanation. Are the first two columns related to the Sounders? And if so is it over their entire life as an MLS franchise?
First two Sounders over life in MLS
I have the data for 2003 to present as well, but can’t pull out only Hanauer era stuff.
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we have the best scouts in the MLS
we found Rosales and montero and hurtado and many others and we have the best crowd in MLS
by alexyepz on Dec 29, 2011 1:00 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Seattle invented...
Scouting Scandanavia. Booyah!
by Adam Waltering on Dec 29, 2011 1:25 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Thank you
This old browser that I use at work just doesn’t cut it.
by Abbott Smith on Dec 29, 2011 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
I am impressed with our scouting
I’ve said it before, the Sounders are one of the better talent acquisition and developing teams around in all sports, not just in MLS. Watching how they go out and find quality people as well as bring up people who get better while they’re here is a big part of my enjoyment of being a fan. After years of utter fail by the Mariners, or horrible drafting by the Seahawks, it is such a treat to see the Sounders FO do their jobs. They aren’t perfect, but they are consistently coming up with quality finds. Kudos to you all. And I dont think they’d be able to do it without us filling the stadium so kudos to us too. :)
by luckystriker on Dec 29, 2011 1:31 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I'll second the motion that the Sounders FO is very good indeed at finding talent.
Although, to give credit where it is due, I am starting to think that Hawks with Pete Carroll and John Schneider (emphasis on Schneider) may have turned the corner in the talent identification and signing process.
nice article
I was just thinking today with all the rumors going about us scouting in Latin America, it’s ironic our apparent 3 signings thus far his offseason have all been European.
I’ve been wracking my head over one thing in your table, though. You list there being three players having come from Western Europe. I recall Nkufo and Gspurning, but for the life of me can’t think of the third (unless you are including Zakuani in there).
A certain Seb Le Toux
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there you have it
funny when your mind gets stuck on something simple
Impressive indeed
With Johansson, Gspurning, and Sivbaek, we are basically raiding Europe’s pantry for players. All of them are from the top leagues in Denmark, Sweden and Greece, and all have national caps (at least youth). Even more impressive is that we’ll have at least one player on national teams for SWE, URU, and if Sivbaek gets on, DEN. Maybe more of our team will see call ups as well, e.g. Montero. And note how several of the Danish articles mentioned that Mauro, formerly of Ajax, plays for the Sounders. Our European street cred is there. Well done FO.
by Brougham Hooligan on Dec 29, 2011 2:22 PM PST reply actions
It's our vast stocks of lutefisk
Especially the lutefisk tacos.
Nitpicking
You have mistakenly counted only three Scandinavians. The MLS map shows one from Norway, one from Sweden, and two from Denmark. That is four altogether. And although Finland is not technically part of Scandinavia, it needs to be counted in that group as that is where it culturally belongs (definitely not part of Eastern Europe). You could even say Nordic countries instead of Scandinavia.
Thanks for correction
hand tabulation to blame.
I did mean to include Finland, so it should be 5 not 3 for MLS
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According to WSU's Viking History Professor
Finland is not part of Scandanavia. But that may have changed since 1070AD.
True
And I pointed out this fact in my post. Geographically Finland is not part of Scandinavia. However, Scandinavia is often used as a cultural term in a way that includes Finland. The proper term is Nordic countries, a term that is widely used in all of those countries, but is not very well known elsewhere. Especially during the cold war Finns were often faced with the question: “Are you part of Scandinavia or Russia?” Most took the easy way out and just said Scandinavia.
The Rus were Vikings
Interestingly the Vikings played a huge role in much of the history of Europe and the Med. Rus literally means Viking as does Norman. The Viking longboat opened both open water navigation and river navigation.
by Abbott Smith on Dec 29, 2011 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
Scandinavia seems like a good fit for MLS
The quality of MLS is similar to the Scandinavian leagues, so any player that is doing well in a Scandinavian league can be expected to be a solid player in the MLS. Moreover, Scandinavians are used to a physical style of playing, so that aspect of MLS wont be a problem for them.
But perhaps most importantly, MLS can offer competitive salaries for players coming out from Scandinavia. Around $100,000 is going to be a very attractive salary for many MLS quality players in those leagues.
Therefore I would not agree with the statement that Scandinavia is a region where MLS teams should not be able to attract players from. Quite the contrary in fact. It seems like an obvious market that has not been used as much as it could and perhaps should. The only negative is that I think a player coming from Latin America or Africa is much more likely to want to settle down in the USA, and therefore more likely to stay with the Sounders for several years. A Scandinavian is always going to plan to go back home eventually, and in many cases the thinking initially might be to just play out the initial contract and then go back. In that respect it seems smart for the Sounders to make a three year contract with Johansson. Of course plans can always change during that time, but I would assume that right now his idea is that he’ll play three seasons and then go back.
I also like the sources how Johansson and Sivebaek were scouted. Johansson has the same agent as Friberg, so hopefully that will continue to be resource for the Sounders. And of course Sivebaek was first discovered during the La Manga Cup in the 2010 preseason. Perhaps the Sounders should try to get there again, maybe in 2013.
Quality of life in Scandinavian countries generally higher
At MLS salaries tax rates are in MLS favor, but individuals use to a high level of government service won’t get it in the US.
And players in top leagues there aren’t playing on poor teams. While the crowds are smaller they are fairly well funded.
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Let's also remember that so many Americans leave for Scandinavia
because the salaries there are higher on average.
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Perhaps climate and culture have something to do with
attracting players from Nordic (and Austrian) countries.
fwiw Gspruning mentioned the mountains and landscape during his visit.
And the latitude of Austria is almost the same as Seattle, so at least day length is similar. http://www.mapsofworld.com/lat_long/austria-lat-long.html
Vancouver - East Asia
While we’re scouting northern Europe Vancouver is gathering a nice group of players from eastern Asia. With Tan Long (China), Lee Young-Pyo (S. Korea), and Lee Nguyen (US/Vietnam) the Whitecaps seem to be hoping to tap into the large local Asian population.
Vancouver getting Nguyen was pure luck
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are you sure?
The weighted lottery thing is a little fishy to me. Is the draw public? if I were a player entering MLS via lottery I’d want some control over where I land. Even at a higher salary, a MLS contract in Columbus might be too big of a step down compared to staying in Vietnam. the randomness of where guys might end up seems like it’s be a big hurdle for potential signees. i wouldn’t be surprised if deals were prearranged, or at least that players submit a list of teams they wouldn’t play for (and those teams would be asked to not participate).
Your point still stands, but you got me thinking…
by InternetCharlie on Dec 30, 2011 12:22 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Lee Nguyen going to Van was luck.
The weighted lottery is just like how the NBA does their lottery. The more you suck, the more balls you get in the deal to choose from. There have been teams that have opted out of the lottery’s for players. In this case I didn’t hear about a single team opting out.
The only control a player has over what team they are going to is to choose to not go to the MLS.
by SoundersForever on Dec 30, 2011 1:59 AM PST up reply actions
The NBA and weighted lotteries
Because there’s NEVER any conspiracy theories about how the draft lottery works in the NBA. /sarcasm
If it was fixed
I really think Nguyen would have ended up in Texas, where he’s from and has been wanting to play.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Dec 30, 2011 8:05 AM PST up reply actions
He's tried to sign with Dallas at least three times.
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This really just seems like small sample size theater to me
one or two players from different regions throws all of this way off. I don’t think we can point to our FO looking more strongly at Scandinavia based on such a short time. Also, it seems that there may be a problem of identifying a player as being from one region but not having been scouted there. The example I’m specifically thinking of is Ljungberg. Finding him had nothing to do with a possible emphasis on Scandinavia.
by Threeball on Dec 29, 2011 8:21 PM PST via Android app reply actions
But signing him may have helped open eyes in the region
Also, Seattle has been attached to a couple non-Scandinavian players who played in those leagues.
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Also, I can't drop out non-Adrian years for USL
but Seattle was more active in Western Europe then, also grabbed more from the Caribbean.
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I think this is an important point
Generally, the more players we have, or have had, that can spread the good word on the org, the better.
Definitely
The news of the Ljungberg signing caught a lot of attention in the Swedish media at the time, and they almost always mention that Ljungberg played in Seattle when they talk about these other transfers.

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